Why The Trump Administration’s Comparison Of Antifa To Hamas, ISIS, And MS-13 Makes No Sense

from the it's-all-just-nonsense dept

When Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem compared antifa to the transnational criminal group MS-13, Hamas and the Islamic State group in October 2025, she equated a nonhierarchical, loosely organized movement of antifascist activists with some of the world’s most violent and organized militant groups.

Antifa is just as dangerous,” she said.

It’s a sweeping claim that ignores crucial distinctions in ideology, organization and scope. Comparing these groups is like comparing apples and bricks: They may both be organizations, but that’s where the resemblance stops.

Noem’s statement echoed the logic of a September 2025 Trump administration executive order that designated antifa as a “domestic terrorist organization.” The order directs all relevant federal agencies to investigate and dismantle any operations, including the funding sources, linked to antifa.

But there is no credible evidence from the FBI or the Department of Homeland Security that supports such a comparison. Independent terrorism experts don’t see the similarities either.

Data shows that the movement can be confrontational and occasionally violent. But antifa is neither a terrorist network nor a major source of organized lethal violence.

Antifa, as understood by scholars and law enforcement, is not an organization in any formal sense. It lacks membership rolls and leadership hierarchies. It doesn’t have centralized funding.

As a scholar of social movements, I know that antifa is a decentralized movement animated by opposition to fascism and far-right extremism. It’s an assortment of small groups that mobilize around specific protests or local issues. And its tactics range from peaceful counterdemonstrations to mutual aid projects.

For example, in Portland, Oregon, local antifa activists organized counterdemonstrations against far-right rallies in 2019.

Antifa groups active in Houston during Hurricane Harvey in 2017 coordinated food, supplies and rescue support for affected residents.

No evidence of terrorism

The FBI and DHS have classified certain anarchist or anti-fascist groups under the broad category of “domestic violent extremists.” But neither agency nor the State Department has ever previously designated antifa as a terrorist organization.

The data on political violence reinforces this point.

A 2022 report by the Counter Extremism Project found that the overwhelming majority of deadly domestic terrorist incidents in the United States in recent years were linked to right-wing extremists. These groups include white supremacists and anti-government militias that promote racist or authoritarian ideologies. They reject democratic authority and often seek to provoke social chaos or civil conflict to achieve their goals.

Left-wing or anarchist-affiliated violence, including acts attributed to antifa-aligned people, accounts for only a small fraction of domestic extremist incidents and almost none of the fatalities. Similarly, in 2021, the George Washington University Program on Extremism found that anarchist or anti-fascist attacks are typically localized, spontaneous and lacking coordination.

By contrast, the organizations Noem invoked – Hamas, the Islamic State group and MS-13 – share structural and operational characteristics that antifa lacks.

They operate across borders and are hierarchically organized. They are also capable of sustained military or paramilitary operations. They possess training pipelines, funding networks, propaganda infrastructure and territorial control. And they have orchestrated mass casualties such as the 2015 Paris attacks and the 2016 Brussels bombings.

In short, they are military or criminal organizations with strategic intent. Noem’s claim that antifa is “just as dangerous” as these groups is not only empirically indefensible but rhetorically reckless.

Turning dissent into ‘terrorism’

So why make such a claim?

Noem’s statement fits squarely within the Trump administration’s broader political strategy that has sought to inflate the perceived threat of left-wing activism.

Casting antifa as a domestic terrorist equivalent of the Islamic State nation or Hamas serves several functions.

It stokes fear among conservative audiences by linking street protests and progressive dissent to global terror networks. It also provides political cover for expanded domestic surveillance and harsher policing of protests.

Additionally, it discredits protest movements critical of the right. In a polarized media environment, such rhetoric performs a symbolic purpose. It divides the moral universe into heroes and enemies, order and chaos, patriots and radicals.

Noem’s comparison reflects a broader pattern in populist politics, where complex social movements are reduced to simple, threatening caricatures. In recent years, some Republican leaders have used antifa as a shorthand for all forms of left-wing unrest or criticism of authority.

Antifa’s decentralized structure makes it a convenient target for blame. That’s because it lacks clear boundaries, leadership and accountability. So any act by someone identifying with antifa can be framed as representing the whole movement, whether or not it does. And by linking antifa to terrorist groups, Noem, the top anti-terror official in the country, turns a political talking point into a claim that appears to carry the weight of national security expertise.

The problem with this kind of rhetoric is not just that it’s inaccurate. Equating protest movements with terrorist organizations blurs important distinctions that allow democratic societies to tolerate dissent. It also risks misdirecting attention and resources away from more serious threats — including organized, ideologically driven groups that remain the primary source of domestic terrorism in the U.S.

As I see it, Noem’s claim reveals less about antifa and more about the political uses of fear.

By invoking the language of terrorism to describe an anti-fascist movement, she taps into a potent emotional current in American politics: the desire for clear enemies, simple explanations and moral certainty in times of division.

But effective homeland security depends on evidence, not ideology. To equate street-level confrontation with organized terror is not only wrong — it undermines the credibility of the very institutions charged with protecting the public.

Art Jipson is Associate Professor of Sociology at University of Dayton. This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Re: From the people that brought you, 'DEI means Didn't Earn It'...

The entire regime is filled to the brim with DEI hires (accordingly to their idea of what that means), people who’s only qualification for their respective jobs is unquestioning loyalty to Trump with nothing else mattering or even taken into consideration.

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Hey Art this is your editor. You really could shorten up that techdirt piece by eliminating everything except Trump Makes No Sense. Done. And why do you insist on using Don’s last name? It implies respect. Donald Donnie Don you pick just like he did to Harris. Where are you on that article debunking his medical report because he must have a prostrate the size of texas from all of satans handjobs by now. See you at the rec center saturday.

Anonymous Coward says:

Comparing these groups is like comparing apples and bricks

Sure, and in terms of danger level, those can be compared. If in orbit, they’d be about equally deadly to people inside the International Space Station. If thrown from the ground or dropped from a bridge, probably the brick would be a lot more dangerous. When discussing danger, why should “distinctions in ideology, organization and scope” matter any more than nutritional value?

Okay, the text goes on to apparently try to give some reasons why these distinctions are “crucial” for the organizations mentioned, but over-focuses on “terrorism” which isn’t relevant at all. Terrorism describes the motivation more than the actions per se. Someone mass-murdering because of mental illness can be just as dangerous as someone mass-murdering with the intent to terrorize people, whereas an ineffective terrorist (such as those infamously manufactured by the FBI) probably poses very little danger. Whether or not lethal violence was “organized” doesn’t seem all the important either, except to the extent organization can effect efficacy.

What matters is whether something bad is happening, or whether there’s a serious chance of it happening; and, in either case, what the damage would be. It terms of hazard analysis, we’d be talking about severity and likelihood, which combine into “risk”. I don’t see any plausible basis for concluding that Antifa poses anywhere near as high a risk to human life as the other groups mentioned.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Because it has to address legal desinations and rhetoric.

Well, probably true with regards to designating a group as a “domestic terrorist organization”. That’s a problem with the law, if no remedy is provided for people committing the exact same crimes for non-terroristic reasons. And also if evidence isn’t needed in either case.

But the headline and the text being quoted here were focused on the comparison and its supposed invalidity. Designations and rhetoric don’t have much to do with that. The comparison is wrong, but not invalid—which is to say they’re easily compared, and the conclusion is “they’re quite different”.

Anonymous Coward says:

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risk to human life

The mistake is assuming they are attempting to measure risk to human life, where really they are comparing risk to their power structures.

In that sense, all are fairly similar in terms of risk: relative to each other antifa is lower likelihood and higher severity, the other three are higher likelihood, lower severity. In absolute terms none are much of a risk at all, but that in itself is a benefit; ensuring the enemies you publicize aren’t strong enough to hurt you is only to your advantage.

Anonymous Coward says:

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The mistake is assuming they are attempting to measure risk to human life

In my earlier comment, it was not so much a mistake as a subtext that’s Arts apparent focus on the danger to human life was maybe a mistake. Whereas I’m perpetually unsure whether this administration are being disingenuous or just fucking idiots (…at any specific time; I’m aware both are happening in general). So, yeah, “danger” could mean to their power structure, profits, reputations, whatever.

Risk management can be (and commonly is) applied to those things to, of course, with the “car recall” quote from Fight Club being a famous example:

A new car built by my company leaves somewhere, traveling at 60 miles per hour. The rear differential locks up. […] The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? […] Take the number of vehicles in the field, A. Multiply it by the probable rate of failure, B. Then multiply the result by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C, equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don’t do one.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

'Make protesting your regime illegal with this one simple trick!'

It makes perfect sense really, you just need to think like a member of a brutal dictatorship.

Step 1: Frame anyone that protests against you as part of Antifa since clearly no-one else would ever do that.

Step 2: Declare that Antifa is a terrorist organization right up there with actual violent criminal organizations.

Step 3: Congrats, anyone that protests against you can now be accused of and legally treated as violent terrorists, and if you’re already laying the groundwork of (accused) criminals not only having no rights but being able to be executed on the spot without the hassle of a trial then all the better!

Pookette says:

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That is how dictatorships actually work, yes. Whoever protests against you is the Bad Guy Group regardless of whether this person even knows of Bad Guy Group or not. You charge them for being a member of the Bad Guy Group and everyone knows these are bogus claims but as a dictatorship, you get to define the rules (or lack thereof), and everyone else is expected to swallow it, maybe sigh quietly at worst. I can see it coming sooner or later to a US near you, protestors getting arrested and charged for being antifa, and since antifa is now synonymous with terrorists, that must also mean you’re a violent terrorist, and therefore worthy of systematic cruelty.

Arijirija says:

Actually the international criminal group Noem mentions, MS-13, is more appropriately compared to the CIA, which during the 1960s was heavily involved in drug trafficking and is most probably still doing so. Antifa groups, which appear in the news, most usually are involved in supporting people under threat, which if Noem is honest, which we know she isn’t, would put them in the category of the likes of the Underground Railway and the like. Hamas is most appropriately compared to the French, the Czechoslovakian, the Danish, the Polish, the Norwegian, the Soviet, the Italian, the Dutch, the Greek, etc, Resistance groups during the Second World War, as they are resisting a genocidal Occupation; but as antifa groups don’t intend letting the fascism they face down, turn into full-blown Naziism, they’re not at the Resistance stage yet. As far as the various ISIS groups go, they’re most appropriately compared to various armed splinter groups during the Thirty Years War following the Protestant Reformation in the Holy Roman Empire, now the Federal Republic of Germany – and there is no grounds for comparison between them as antifa whatsoever.

All of which goes to show that Kristi Noem has her head firmly wedged in her rectum when she speaks of this; nobody knows why she would go to that extreme, and an autopsy would only provide the physical details. Perhaps she does it because she enjoys the sensation? 🙂

glenn says:

All US administrations before Trump’s have supported anti-fascism, which is only natural since the entire world not part of the Axis fought this rather large war against it back in the ’40s. But history isn’t Trump’s strong suit (I mean, he couldn’t even identify what the Declaration of Independence was). Then again, try as he might, he isn’t good at being a fascist either (and he does try). Only stupid people support fascism, and stupid people aren’t competent at really doing even basic stuff, so they always fail. It’s inevitable.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Antifa is an organization like restaurants are an organization. It’s mostly a bunch of tiny groups with a small number of participants. A few groups that are considered part of Antifa have multiple groups or are ‘franchised’, but most are independent groups.

It would be more apt to call Antifa an ideology, category, or paradigm.

But of course, that’s not as easy to abuse when you’re sending the three-letter agencies after them.

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