438 Experts Said Age Verification Is Dangerous. Legislators Are Moving Forward With It Anyway.
from the seems-like-someone-should-pay-attention? dept
In early March, 438 security and privacy researchers from 32 countries signed a massive open letter warning that age verification mandates for the internet are technically impossible to get right, easy to circumvent, a serious threat to privacy and security, and likely to cause more harm than good. While many folks (including us at Techdirt) have been calling out similar problems with age verification, this was basically a ton of experts all teaming up to call out how dangerous the technology is — by any reasonable measure, a hugely significant collective statement from the scientific community on an active area of internet regulation.
It got about a day of press coverage, and then legislators everywhere went right back to doing the thing the scientists just told them was dangerous.
Since the letter was published, Idaho signed a law mandating parental consent and age verification for social media. Missouri moved forward with age verification measures for minors using social media and AI chatbots. Greece announced plans to ban teens from social media entirely. At least half of US states have now passed some form of age verification or digital ID law with many others considering similar laws. The European Union continues to push age assurance requirements through various regulatory channels. Australia is trying to get other countries on board with its own social media ban for kids. All of this, proceeding as though hundreds of the world’s foremost experts on security and privacy had said nothing at all.
We’ve been writing about the serious problems with age verification mandates for years now. The arguments haven’t changed, because the underlying technical realities haven’t changed. But this letter deserves far more attention than it received because of how thoroughly it tears apart every assumption that age verification proponents rely on.
The letter starts by acknowledging what should be obvious: the signatories share the concerns about kids encountering harmful content online. This matters, because the go-to response to any criticism of age verification is to accuse critics of not caring about children. These are hundreds of scientists saying: we care, we’ve studied this, and what you’re proposing will make things worse.
We share the concerns about the negative effects that exposure to harmful content online has on children, and we applaud that regulators dedicate time and effort to protect them. However, we fear that, if implemented without careful consideration of the technological hazards and societal impact, the new regulation might cause more harm than good.
Some will argue that this is meaningless without a proposed “fix” to the problems facing children online, but that’s nonsense. As these experts argue, the focus on age verification and age gating will make things worse. It’s the classic “we must do something, this is something, therefore we must do this” fallacy dressed up as child protection.
The fact that child safety problems are specific and complex is exactly why simplistic bans and age-gating cause so much damage. And it’s a genuine indictment of our current discourse that refusing to embrace a non-solution somehow gets read as not caring about the problem itself.
From there, the letter walks through the actual problems with these commonly proposed solutions in a level of detail that should be mandatory reading for any legislator voting on these laws. (It almost certainly won’t be, but we can dream.)
First, the biggest problem: these systems are ridiculously easy to circumvent. This point gets hand-waved away constantly by politicians who seem to think that because something sounds like it should work, it must. The scientists have a different view, grounded in actual evidence from actual deployments:
There is ample evidence from existing deployments that lying about age is not hard. It can be as easy as using age-verified accounts borrowed from an elder sibling or friend. In fact, there are reported cases of parents helping their children with age circumvention. There is evidence that, shortly after age-based controls appear, markets and services that sell valid accounts or credentials quickly arise. This enables the use of online services deploying age assurance at an affordable price or even for free. This is the case even if the verification is based on government-issued certificates, as shown by the ease with which fake vaccination certificates could be acquired during the COVID pandemic
We just recently talked about the evidence in Australia showing that a huge percentage of kids have simply learned how to get around age gates. Australia’s biggest accomplishment: teaching kids how to cheat the system.
The letter makes a point that almost never appears in the legislative debates: The threat model for age verification is fundamentally broken because the people building these systems assume the only adversary is a teenager. But since every adult internet user will also be subjected to these checks, and many adults will not want to submit to this kind of surveillance, we’re going to be creating huge incentives for adults to get around these age checks as well, meaning that new industries (some likely to be pretty sketchy) will arise to help people of all ages avoid this kind of surveillance. And that, alone, will make it easier for everyone (kids and adults) to bypass age gates (though in a way that will likely make many people less safe overall):
As its main goal is to restrict the activities of children, it is common to believe that the only adversary is minors trying to bypass age verification. Yet, age verification mechanisms also apply to adults that will have to prove their age in many of their routine online interactions, to access services or to keep them away from children-specific web spaces. As these checks will jeopardize their online experience, adults will have incentives to create means to bypass them both for their own use or to monetize the bypass. Thus, it is foreseeable that an increase in the deployment of age assurance will result in growing availability of circumvention mechanisms, reducing its effectiveness.
The circumvention problem alone should be enough to give legislators pause. But the letter goes further, addressing what happens to people who can’t circumvent the systems, or who try to and end up worse off.
One of the strongest sections addresses the perverse safety consequences. Deplatforming minors from mainstream services doesn’t make them stop using the internet. It pushes them toward less regulated, less secure alternatives where the risks are dramatically higher, and where these services care less about actually taking steps to protect kids:
If minors or adults are deplatformed via age-related bans, they are likely to migrate to find similar services. Since the main platforms would all be regulated, it is likely that they would migrate to fringe sites that escape regulation. This would not only negate any benefit of the age-based controls but also expose users to other dangers, such as scams or malware that are monitored in mainstream platforms but exist on smaller providers. Even if users do not move platforms, attempting circumvention to access mainstream services from a jurisdiction that does not mandate age assurance might also increase their risk. For example, free VPN providers might not follow secure practices or might monetize users’ data (especially non-EU providers that are not subject to data protection obligations), and websites accessed in other jurisdictions through VPNs would not provide the user with the data protection standards and rights which are guaranteed in the EU.
And as we keep explaining: age verification makes adults think they’ve “made the internet safe,” which creates all sorts of downstream problems — including failing to teach young people how to navigate the internet safely, while doing nothing to address the actual threats. As the letter notes, it creates a false sense of security:
The promise of children-specific services that serve as safe spaces is unrealizable with current technology. This means that children might become exposed to predators who infiltrate these spaces, either via circumvention or acquisition of false credentials that allow them to pose as minors in a verifiable way.
So the system designed to “protect the children” could end up creating verified hunting grounds for predators, while simultaneously pushing kids who get locked out of mainstream platforms toward sketchy fringe sites.
Some child safety measure.
The privacy concerns are equally serious. Age verification mandates give online services a justification — indeed, a legal requirement — to collect far more personal data than they currently do. The letter notes that age estimation and age inference technologies are “highly privacy-invasive” and “rely on the collection and processing of sensitive, private data such as biometrics, or behavioural or contextual information.”
And this data will leak. It always does. The letter points to a concrete example: 70,000 users had their government ID photos exposed after appealing age assessment errors on Discord. That’s what happens when you force the creation of massive centralized databases of sensitive identity information. You create targets.
The most alarming part of the letter is the one that gets the least discussion: centralization of power. The scientists warn, bluntly, that age verification infrastructure doubles as censorship infrastructure:
Those deciding which age-based controls need to exist, and those enforcing them gain a tremendous influence on what content is accessible to whom on the internet. Recall that age assurance checks might go well beyond what is regulated in the offline world and set up an infrastructure to enforce arbitrary attribute-based policies online. In the wrong hands, such as an authoritarian government, this influence could be used to censor information and prevent users from accessing services, for example, preventing access to LGBTQ+ content. Centralizing access to the internet easily leads to internet shutdowns, as seen recently in Iran. If enforcement happens at the browser or operating system level, the manufacturers of this software would gain even more control to make decisions on what content is accessible on the Internet. This would enable primarily big American companies to control European citizens’ access to the internet.
This should be the part that makes everyone uncomfortable, regardless of their political orientation.
This brings us to what is already happening to real people right now.
A recent article in The Verge details how age verification systems are creating serious, specific harms for trans internet users. Kansas passed a law invalidating trans people’s driver’s licenses and IDs overnight, requiring them to obtain new IDs with incorrect gender markers. Combine that with age verification laws requiring digital identity checks, and you get exactly the kind of discriminatory exclusion the scientists warned about:
“These systems are specifically designed to look for discrepancies, and they’re going to find them,” said Kayyali. “If you are a woman and anyone on the street would say ‘that’s a woman,’ but that’s not what your ID says, that’s a discrepancy.” The danger of these discrepancies extends not just to trans people, but to anyone else whose appearance doesn’t match normative gendered expectations.
“A lot of age estimation systems are built on a combination of anthropological sex markers and skin texture. This means they fall over and provide inaccurate results when faced with people whose markers and skin texture, well, don’t match,” explains Keyes. For example, one of the most prominent markers algorithms measure to determine sex is the brow ridge. “Suppose you have a trans man on HRT and a trans woman on HRT, the former with low brow ridges and rougher skin, the latter with high ridges and softer skin,” Keyes explains. “The former is likely to have their age overestimated; the latter, underestimated.”
So you have biometric systems that are specifically designed to flag discrepancies between someone’s appearance and their identity documents. And you have a government that is deliberately creating discrepancies in trans people’s identity documents. The result is predictable and ugly: trans people get locked out, flagged, forced to out themselves, or simply blocked from accessing services that everyone else uses freely.
Most of these verification systems are black boxes with no meaningful appeal process. The laws themselves are written with deliberately vague language requiring platforms to verify age through “a commercially available database” or “any other commercially reasonable method,” with nothing about transparency, accuracy, or redress for people who get wrongly flagged or excluded.
And in many of these laws, the definitions of content “harmful to children” are flexible enough to encompass LGBTQ+ communities, information about birth control, and whatever else a given administration decides it doesn’t like. As one of Techdirt’s favorite technology and speech lawyers, Kendra Albert, noted to The Verge:
“I think it’s fair to say that if you look at the history of obscenity in the US and what’s considered explicit material, stuff with queer and trans material is much more likely to be considered sexually explicit even though it’s not. You may be in a circumstance where sites with more content about queer and trans people are more likely to face repercussions for not implementing appropriate age-gating or being tagged as explicit.”
So to summarize: the age verification infrastructure being built across the world (1) doesn’t actually work to keep kids from accessing content, (2) pushes kids toward less safe alternatives, (3) creates verified “safe spaces” that predators can infiltrate, (4) forces massive collection of sensitive personal data that will inevitably leak, (5) creates infrastructure purpose-built for censorship and authoritarian control, (6) systematically discriminates against trans people, people of color, the elderly, immigrants, and anyone whose appearance doesn’t match neat bureaucratic categories, (7) concentrates enormous power over internet access in the hands of governments and a handful of tech companies, and (8) lacks any scientific evidence that it will actually improve children’s mental health or safety.
Seems like a problem.
And 438 scientists from 32 countries put their names on a letter saying so. The letter closes with this:
We believe that it is dangerous and socially unacceptable to introduce a large-scale access control mechanism without a clear understanding of the implications that different design decisions can have on security, privacy, equality, and ultimately on the freedom of decision and autonomy of individuals and nations.
“Dangerous and socially unacceptable.” That isn’t just me being dramatic. That’s the considered, collective judgment of hundreds of researchers whose professional expertise is specifically in the systems being deployed.
Meanwhile, the laws keep passing. Nobody seems to have bothered asking the scientists. Or, more accurately, the scientists volunteered their expertise in the most public way possible, and everyone in a position to act on it decided that the political appeal of “protecting the children” was more important than whether the proposed method of protection actually protects children, or whether it creates a sprawling new infrastructure for surveillance, discrimination, and censorship that will be almost impossible to dismantle once it’s built.
The scientists’ letter called for studying the benefits and harms of age verification before mandating it at internet scale. That seems like a comically low bar. “Maybe understand whether this works before requiring it everywhere” shouldn’t be a controversial position. And yet here we are, with legislators around the world charging ahead, building systems that security experts have told them are broken, in pursuit of goals that the evidence says these systems can’t achieve, at a cost to privacy, security, equality, and freedom that nobody in a position of power seems interested in calculating.
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Comments on “438 Experts Said Age Verification Is Dangerous. Legislators Are Moving Forward With It Anyway.”
I’m a trained engineer and like the “dangerous” sections of the internet more, and more development of the anonymous sections will be the result of the bill. But I agree it’s a horrible idea for a government mandate from “free” countries.
The people who support this also support pedophiles, blowing up children in other countries, and making sure poor kids are left starving and homeless.
Let’s stop pretending at all that there is even an ounce of truth to their goals. This is as much about kids, as the anti abortion laws are.
“For every human problem there is a simple solution — one that is direct, obvious, and wrong.”
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(Mencken? Attribution unclear)
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“For every human problem there is a Trump solution — one that is direct, obvious, and wrong.”
Exactly two groups want online ID verification: predators and terrorists.
To focus on one particular point
(I agree almost entirely with everything else, but I’d like to focus on one thing in particular.) And it’s this:
“And this data will leak. It always does.”
There are too many places and too many ways for this data to be acquired — and there are too many people with too many power and too much money — for there to be any hope whatsoever that it won’t happen.
There will be “verification companies” that are completely fake and exist for the sole purpose of allegedly providing this service while simultaneously aggregating all the data and selling it on the open market (under another identity of course) to anyone who can pay.
There will be employees of verification companies, or their outsourced operations, or their cloud hosts, who sell data either because they wish to profit from it or because they’re being extorted.
There will of course be the usual cyberattacks and none of these companies will invest in anything close — not within several orders of magnitude — to give themselves any kind of fighting chance. They won’t do this because that would severely cut into profits and because there will be no penalties for their failure to do so.
There’s more but let me get to the bottom line: every jurisdiction which enforces this will turn every child involved into just another entry in a database of potential victims for some of the worst people in the world.
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Simplest way to fix age verification systems is to leak the information from said system of the politicians supporting it and the CEOs/regulators running it.
A little bit of stochastic scares is basically the only way to stop them from going full throttle on this.
Yeah, one shouldn’t advocate that, but an objective observation that the wealth class is ignoring peaceful protest which tends to generate mobs with pitchforks to decide on new rich people is right around the corner.
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Simplest way to fix age verification systems is to leak the information from said system of the politicians supporting it and the CEOs/regulators running it.
So many stupid and/or terrible laws would be stopped cold if there was a ‘You First’ law in place that mandated that any law that would impact the public would apply to politicians first.
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51 “experts” wrote a letter that said that the Biden laptop was fake. (they were probably not mistaken, but lying)
Hundreds of doctors and scientists wrote that covid obviously came from bats in a wet market (that didn’t exist at that market), rather than….the bat virology lab a few blocks over. (turns out a lot of them had interests tied into that lab)
Anyway, I don’t want age-verification either, I think it’s kinda obviously more about de-anonymizing adults (and just increasing effort) than anything involving kids. But lol, no one cares about “letters from experts”. They probably never did, but they SURE AF don’t now.
Kinda dumb to pretend they do.
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Anyone who bases their stances on evidence over disinformation would.
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Has there ever been, at any point since the outbreak of COVID-19, a definitive and objective determination that the virus was sourced wholly and directly to that lab? Even though the lab leak theory is less plausible than the wet market theory, it’s not impossible that it happened, but I haven’t seen any major scientific body metaphorically say with its whole chest that the lab leak theory is the objectively true theory.
Guess we should just get rid of experts, then. I mean, it’s cool to be skeptical and all, but if you’re just going to dimiss experts in their field outright regardless of the field, the level of expertise, and/or the subject matter involved, we may as well just never again listen to a single learned person on any given subject and just let our own opinions be what guides us regardless of how me we know about the subject at hand. That seems like the perfect way to Make America Great Again.
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This is literally the opposite of true. The wet market theory is not only unlikely, it is basically impossible because there were no bats there. Multiple US intelligence agencies have determined the lab leak theory is by far more likely (a bit hard to prove, since CCP controls all the evidence and lies) and it also the super obvious common sense answer.
You can’t just say things. That was a lie when it was first told, and kinda obviously a lie now. It’s why Fauci had to be pardoned.
It’s not just that you’re being a fuucking idiot, it’s that you’re being an ignorant moron on purpose.
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Actually, I can.
Purple monkey dishwasher. Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. Bitches love cannons.
See? All things I can say.
What are you gonna do to stop me?
I thought he had to be pardoned because the Trump regime planned to vindictively prosecute him for not being Trump’s bitch. Even if—and I’m not granting you this one—he “lied” about the source of COVID-19, that’s not actually a crime. But the Trump regime would’ve tried to make it one somehow, which is why Biden issued that pardon. But if you believe he did commit a crime: Explain the exact crime you allege Fauci committed and cite, through a credible and preferably non-partisan source, the exact law or legal statute his alleged crime violated.
Also: Maybe I don’t keep up with all the latest scientific news, but as best as I can guess, the lab leak theory being proven right would be front-page news given how COVID-19 fucked up the entire world. Since I haven’t seen anything suggesting that any credible scientific or medical organization has proffered any evidence that suggests the lab leak theory is the only credible and plausible theory as to COVID-19’s origins…well, I guess that front-page news hasn’t hit yet. And even if it were the correct theory, so fucking what? The lab leak theory only suggests that the leak was accidental, and that besides, the knowledge of COVID-19’s exact origin is ultimately irrelevant compared to the impact it had on human civilization in general. Give me a reason to care about the origin other than anti-Chinese xenophobia and maybe I’ll give a shit, but if that’s all you have, skip the shitheadery for once in your life.
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It’s almost like there’s a persuasive media bias, or something.
It’s good that you admit to being ignorant, tho, that’s the first step.
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I would imagine that if the scientific community coalesced around and proved correct the lab leak theory—and more to the point, proved that the leak was intentional rather than unintentional—the whole world would care about that. But to reiterate, I haven’t seen anything to suggest that coalescence has happened. If you have a credible non-partisan source for the scientific community at large proving the lab leak theory is objectively true, you feel free to offer that citation.
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In the whole world? Sounds like your belief is your center of the world and everything outside that is just unintelligible noise.
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Honk. Wrong. All early cases were from the live market – people who worked there, went there, and their families. None were from the lab until it had already spread.
Could a lab leak shit? Sure.
Could workers get infected while collecting specimens in the wild? Sure.
None of the evidence points that way.
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God. I truly hope people like you die suffering as much as possible.
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Please, run along: the grownups are talking and you are clearly far, FAR too intellectually immature to be permitted a seat at the table.
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Which experts? Have you actually educated yourself on what happened and when?
This is the sequence of events:
1. Hunter Biden (unverified) drops off a laptop for repair
2. No one comes to pick up the laptop for months
3. The owner of the repair shop starts tinkering with the laptop and pieces together a copy of the hard drive
4. The owner peruses the content, then tries to fob it off to various republicans
5. The owner also sends a copy to the FBI
6. A copy of the drive is passed around among Republicans and gets altered and modified several times
7. It finally ends up with Rudy Giuliani who sends a copy to the New York Post
8. NYP posts a story about the contents but no one at the paper wants to put their name on the byline
9. Links to the NYP story is posted on social media
10. Some links to the story is then removed on social media under the rule “hacked material”
11. A bunch of butthurt idiots scream censorship because surfing to the NYP article is impossible, only links on social media can work!
12. Social media companies walk back the decision to remove links.
13. After a lot wailing and gnashing copies of the drive eventually ends up with people that has knowledge of computer forensics
14. All examinations of the copies say some of the content appear to be authentic but there are signs of tampering and other content added, but no one can determine if the drive actually comes from a laptop owned by Hunter Biden
15. Mac Isaac, the repair shop owner, finally approaches CBS News with a “clean copy” because he didn’t like lies being flung around about the “Hunter Biden Laptop”. This drive is examined by a reputable third party which determines that the drive in all likelihood comes from a laptop owned by Hunter Biden
16. That’s it.
So these 51 experts you mentioned, did they examine the clean copy or the tampered copies?
No, what most said was that the virus in all likelihood came from bats that spread it to other animals which in turn ended up in the wet market. Do you understand the concept of zoonotic spillover and how bats are often carriers of very nasty viruses.
Willful stupidity is ignoring what knowledgeable people say. The right course of action is to listen, then actually determine if what they say is correct which may require people to learn new things that can contradict their beliefs. The latter makes the lotus eaters uncomfortable, because the apathy of belief is such a comfort in a complicated world.
They didn’t care how many doctors said Measles vaccines were safe or essential either. The only way to make policy decisions with this administration is to slip someone a bribe.
Legislators
Generally have lots of Data on the net,
Why not sign them up for MANY MANY service??
Pre-signup. All they need is verification.
About as bad as signing up a Priest for a Playboy Subscribe, delivered to the Front door of the Church.
Repeating the same arguments and expecting a different result lies madness
That’s not an argument to dodge giving a proposed fix about something you supposedly care about. Having alternatives is a very good way to establish if someone would actually be ok with alternatives or not, as claimed, or if they prefer the status quo but won’t say it. It also gives you a feel for what tradeoffs they find acceptable.
People have asked the scientists. They’ve just decided the risks/costs are worth paying. Sometimes you have the correct argument and lose anyway.
When there’s been ~2 decades to study it, it does start to look like a bit of a filibuster, especially when a lot of the concerns are moral in nature. A pilot program working out perfectly is not going to assuage concerns of a future surveillance state. It also has to be balanced against potential ongoing harms. Delay is not costless.
Not to mention, a lot of it comes down to scale/enforcement, something you’ve been happy to weaponize when criticizing Australia’s law.
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When the concerns can be summed up as “this technology is likely to result in some really awful outcomes for a significant amount of people that will collectively outweigh any positive use of the technology”? I’d say the filibustering is worth it.
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Sure, but you can’t really be surprised if it starts getting tuned out, right? And that might be a sign to swap to a different tack if you want to keep being effective in stopping it
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Well, there’s always the approach of talking about what those awful outcomes actually are and how they’ll affect the average person. Age verification effectively becoming a censorship “lock” for content the government finds “harmful” where the only “key” is personally identifying information, for example, can result in the government broadening its scope of “harmful” content to include innocuous content that the government disfavors due to partisan political hackery (e.g., age-appropriate LGBTQ-friendly content). Imagine a queer teenager being locked out of a forum for other queer teenagers because they live in a state where any queer content is considered “harmful” and therefore locked behind age verification that the average teenager can’t (and shouldn’t) do.
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I mean, that’s been around about as long, and doesn’t really seem to be working as well anymore, either? That stuffs in the letter.
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If explaining the actual foreseeable consequences of age verification can’t make people care about those consequences, I don’t know what else to tell you except “oh, so we’re fucked fucked”.
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My opinion is that people in the tech law/tech policy sphere have cried wolf way too many times over any sort of reasonable regulations, and legislators/policy-makers have gotten fed up and now we have the worst and messiest laws being proposed and implemented.
We could have had stuff like AICOA and OAMA, but now we have this mess of age verification bills across the U.S. and across the world.
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Your opinion could have been valid if “reasonable regulations” had ever been proposed.
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AICOA and OAMA were reasonable regulations that could’ve been the start here in the U.S.. Tech lobbyists screeched and banged pots & pans acting like it was the end of the Internet and got it shot down.
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Much words. Many nuance. Sowisdom.
Age verification
Just scream, “What about the children!”
Age verification is just another cheap way for ignorant, cowardly politicians to to get votes.
No brains, no courage.
The obvious fix
The solution to Big Tech abuses is to force everyone in the world to send
videos of their childrenbiometric identifiers to Mark, Bill, and Elon.literally a TON
Mike wrote
438 experts, assuming 200 pounds each, is about 44 Tons. That’s a lot more than basically just a ton. A vast preponderance of experts. A veritable plethora. In this most weighty matter.
'Of course we knew that stuff would happen, that's why we passed the bill!'
Meanwhile, the laws keep passing. Nobody seems to have bothered asking the scientists. Or, more accurately, the scientists volunteered their expertise in the most public way possible, and everyone in a position to act on it decided that the political appeal of “protecting the children” was more important than whether the proposed method of protection actually protects children, or whether it creates a sprawling new infrastructure for surveillance, discrimination, and censorship that will be almost impossible to dismantle once it’s built.
If literally hundreds of experts in the field in question tell you that if you pass a law a whole slew of terrible harms are likely to happen and you do it anyway then the most generous reading of you as a politician is that you don’t care about those harms, with a less generous reading that the harms are a desired feature of your bill rather than an ‘unfortunate’ bug.
Meanwhile, age verification “vendors” are usually a front end for multiple other services who do keep your data. The front service can claim whatever.
Human civilization grew and advanced because there was little or no age verification for access to knowledge. For a while now, though, [so-called] adults have been trying to tighten the prison that they’ve created for non-adult humans. They won’t be happy until all “children” are kept in a box, not to be released until they’re “old enough” (to not be a bother).