Weeks After Denouncing Government Censorship On Rogan, Zuckerberg Texted Elon Musk Offering To Take Down Content For DOGE
from the hypocrisy-as-a-service dept
On January 10th, 2025, Mark Zuckerberg sat down with Joe Rogan and put on quite a performance. He talked about how the Biden administration had pressured Meta to take down content. He detailed how the Biden administration had apparently pressured Meta to take down content — how officials called and screamed and cursed — and how, going forward, he was a changed man. A champion of free expression, done forever with government demands to remove content. And a whole bunch of people (especially MAGA folks) cheered all this on. Zuckerberg was a protector of free speech against government suppression!
Twenty-four days later, he texted Elon Musk — a senior government official at the time — to volunteer to remove content the government wouldn’t like. Unprompted.
As I wrote at the time, the whole Rogan interview was an exercise in misdirection. The “pressure” Zuck kept describing was the kind of thing the Supreme Court explicitly found, in the Murthy case, was standard-issue government communication — the kind of thing Justice Kagan said happens “literally thousands of times a day in the federal government.” The Court called the lower court’s findings of “censorship” clearly erroneous. And Zuck himself kept admitting, over and over, that Meta’s response to the Biden administration was to tell them no. He said so explicitly:
And basically it just got to this point where we were like, no we’re not going to. We’re not going to take down things that are true. That’s ridiculous…
In other words, the Biden administration asked, Meta said “nah,” and that was that. The Supreme Court agreed this fell well short of coercion. Indeed, the only documented instance of the Biden administration making an actual specific takedown request to a social media platform was to flag an account impersonating one of Biden’s grandchildren. That was it. That was the “massive government censorship operation.”
But Zuck milked it beautifully on the podcast, and Rogan ate it up. The narrative was established: Zuckerberg, defender of free expression, standing tall against the censorious government, vowing to never again let officials dictate what stays up and what comes down on his platforms.
That was January 10th.
On February 3rd, Zuckerberg texted Elon Musk:

Looks like DOGE is making progress. I’ve got our teams on alert to take down content doxxing or threatening the people on your team. Let me know if there’s anything else I can do to help.
So the man who spent three hours performing righteous indignation about government censorship proactively reached out to a senior government official to let him know Meta was already taking action to remove content on behalf of that official’s government operation — including truthful information like the names of public servants working for the federal government.
“Let me know if there’s anything else I can do to help.”
A guy who spent three hours on the biggest podcast in the world performing righteous indignation about government censorship pressure — then, weeks later, volunteered exactly that kind of service, unprompted, to the same government. Just with a different party in power.
The Biden administration’s alleged “coercion” amounted to strongly worded emails that Meta freely ignored, and its only documented specific takedown request was for an account literally pretending to be the president’s grandchild. Zuckerberg’s response to that: three hours on the world’s biggest podcast denouncing government censorship. His response to Musk’s DOGE operation: a proactive late-night text offering to suppress information identifying the federal employees doing the dismantling.
And Zuck’s framing of “doxxing” is doing a lot of work here. The DOGE staffers whose identities were being shared on social media were federal employees exercising enormous government power — canceling grants, accessing sensitive government databases, making decisions that affected millions of Americans. The administration went to great lengths to hide who these people were, precisely because what they were doing was controversial and, in many cases, potentially illegal. Identifying who is wielding government power on your behalf has a name, and that name is accountability, not “doxxing.”
Notably, the Zuckerberg text came the day after Wired started naming DOGE bros. Which is reporting. Not doxxing. Doxxing is revealing private info, such as an address. A federal employee’s name is not private info. It’s just journalism.
Also notice how Zuckerberg bundles “doxxing or threatening” — conflating two very different things. Removing credible threats of violence is something every platform already does; it’s in every terms of service. But by packaging the identification of public servants alongside actual threats, Zuck makes the whole thing sound like a routine trust-and-safety operation rather than what it actually was: volunteering to help the government hide its own employees from public scrutiny.
Compare the two scenarios directly. The Biden administration flagged a fake account impersonating a minor family member of the president — a clear-cut case of impersonation that every platform’s rules already cover. In other cases, they simply asked Facebook to explain its policies for dealing with potential health misinformation in the middle of a pandemic. Zuckerberg’s response, per his Rogan narrative, was to tell them to pound sand, and then go on a podcast to brag about it. Meanwhile, when it came to Musk and DOGE, it looks like Zuck didn’t wait to be asked. He texted Elon Musk at 10 PM on a Monday night to let him know the teams were already mobilized. He closed with “let me know if there’s anything else I can do to help,” which is really more “eager intern” energy than “principled defender of free expression” energy.
It’s also worth noting the broader context of the relationship here. These two were, at least publicly, supposed to be rivals. Remember the whole cage match fiasco? The very public trash-talking? And yet here’s Zuck texting Musk late at night, opening with flattery (“Looks like DOGE is making progress”), offering content suppression as a gift, and then — in literally the next breath in the text exchange — Musk pivots to asking Zuck if he wants to join a bid to buy OpenAI’s intellectual property.
“Are you open to the idea of bidding on the OpenAI IP with me and some others?” Musk asked. Zuck suggested they discuss it live. Just a couple of billionaires doing billionaire things at 10:30 PM after one of them volunteered censorship services to the other’s government operation.
We only know about any of this, by the way, because of Musk’s quixotic lawsuit against OpenAI. These texts were designated as a trial exhibit by OpenAI’s lawyers. Musk’s team is now trying to get them excluded from evidence. The motion seeking to suppress this evidence opens with one of the more entertaining paragraphs you’ll find in a legal filing:
President Trump. Burning Man. Rhino ketamine. These are all inflammatory and highly irrelevant topics that Defendants are trying to improperly make the subject of this litigation. Throughout fact discovery, Defendants have gratuitously probed these topics, and their trial evidence disclosures make clear that they intend to use the same scandalizing tactics at trial. Defendants should not be allowed to exploit Musk’s political involvement, social or recreational choices, or gratuitous details of his personal life at trial. As detailed below, Musk is the subject of daily, often-fabricated media scrutiny.
The filing goes on to argue that the Zuckerberg text exchange has “nothing to do with Musk’s claims” and amounts to an attempt to “stoke negative sentiments toward Musk because of his association with Zuckerberg.” Which is a fun way to describe a text message in which a tech CEO volunteers content moderation favors to a government official. Musk’s lawyers aren’t wrong that it’s embarrassing — just not for the reasons they think.
The hypocrisy, though, is almost beside the point. The entire Rogan performance was designed to establish a narrative: that the Biden administration engaged in some kind of unprecedented censorship campaign, and that Zuckerberg was bravely standing up to it. That narrative was then used to justify Meta’s decision to end its fact-checking programs and loosen its content policies — framed as a return to “free expression” principles.
But the Zuck-Musk texts show what those “free expression” principles actually look like in practice. Zuck is more than happy to suppress speech when he supports the person in the White House. It’s only when he doesn’t like the person in the White House that he gets to pretend he’s a free speech warrior.
This has nothing to do with free expression. It’s about power. Who has it, who Zuckerberg thinks he needs to stay on the right side of, and who he thinks he can safely perform outrage against. The Biden administration was on its way out the door when Zuck did the Rogan interview, making them a perfectly safe target for his “never again” act. Musk was ascendant, running a government operation backed by a president who had directly threatened to throw Zuckerberg in prison.
So the principled free speech stance lasted less than a month before Zuck was back to volunteering content suppression — this time without even being asked, for the people who actually had the power to hurt him. And that’s just the text message that surfaced in an unrelated lawsuit. The rest of the ledger isn’t public.
Some defender of free expression.
Filed Under: content moderation, doge, elon musk, fucking hypocrite, joe rogan, mark zuckerberg
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Comments on “Weeks After Denouncing Government Censorship On Rogan, Zuckerberg Texted Elon Musk Offering To Take Down Content For DOGE”
Power and wealth come with built-in hypocrisy. It’s the only way those fuckers can come to terms with holding that much power and wealth.
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And the hilarious irony that this failson saw his company fired by a top IP lawyer after this failson has been embracing neo-Nazi madness and toxic masculinity. And double corroboration that Zuckerberg is a failson who will support ideologies that would make the 9/11 hijackers mouths foam in satisfaction that he went to a bigot who defended a Nazi cartoonist on the social media platform this bigot owns.
Self-censorship, the worse kind of censorship.
Zuckerberg…”I can’t be a hypocrite, I’m rich!”
Zuckeberg has been an unethical asshole since he started Facebook. Most of us know it started as a chauvinistic project to evaluate his female peers in the university nowadays.
From there as he gained tons of money and the power that comes with it his social restraints snapped and here we are. Just like Musk shamelessly did the nazi salute twice in a live event, Zuckeberg has grown used to the shielding that being a billionaire brings from law and everything else that could hold him accountable.
I do hope this is starting to change.
When people think trust&safety are corporate lackeys- stuff like this is why. Somehow, I don’t think it’s going to get a panel at TrustCon, though.
Me: “What was it all for?”
Zuckerberg: “A spot for Weenie Hut Jr’s.”
I'd say he changed his tune fast but no, he just showed his true face
Biden Administration: Hey some of this stuff seems to be in violation of your stated rules and might be literally putting lives in danger, no pressure but would you mind looking into that?
Zuckerberg: Government censorship! No more I say, no more will I stand for the government telling me what I can and cannot have on my platform, I support free speech and will fight to the death for it!
Five minutes after the Trump Regime takes over, shortly after Trump threatens to jail Zuckerberg if he doesn’t censor what he’s told to:
Zuckerberg: So I’ve already got a team ready and willing to take down anything that you want me to, just say the word.
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THE SUPREME COURT DID NOT “FIND” ANYTHING IN MURTHY, YOU STUPID LIAR.
The case was not ruled on at all, it was determined there was no standing. THERE WAS NO FINDING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THE MERITS.
You are lying about this, every single time, dozens of times now, at least.
The “ruling” was not as you would have liked it (not mine, either) so you just think it’s OK to make it up? It is NOT.
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Many, many people, including both myself and multiple lawyers have explained this to you (you’re an engineer who knows fuck all about the law, but is very confidently wrong): you’re wrong. You’re embarrassingly wrong.
You ignore WHY the court said there was no standing. But as the opinion states very, very, very clearly: there was NO EVIDENCE of any coercive action by the government. That WAS what the Supreme Court found, which is why they told the lower courts there was no standing. They also pointed out that the findings of the lower courts were “clearly erroneous.”
It was a clear and total loss.
You’re just the sorest fucking loser on the planet.
Your side lost the fucking case, dipshit.
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No, you are LYING, on purpose.
IT DOES NOT MATTER. There was no standing. There was no “ruling” in a real sense at all.
It does no such thing. There was no ruling on substance. You’re just pointing at comments (by various justices) and pretending they matter.
No, actually. Wasn’t a win, either.
How the FUCK do you not understand what “lack of standing” means?
Brosef, you are literally lying about a case to pretend it was ruled differently than it was. For MONTHS. That is levels of cope and seethe never seen before. It might count as profound self-deception or delusion.
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Everyone is free to read the case, my analysis, and yours.
Not a SINGLE person with any sense of how this works thinks you’re correct.
You should just stop before you embarrass yourself further.
WHY WAS THERE A LACK OF STANDING, dude? WHY? Why do you pretend that doesn’t matter. That’s the entire fucking case.
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Not anyone with a law degree
You are LYING about a case that did not go your way. That is pathetic. If you had any class at all you would be the one who embarrassed.
It literally does not matter, you fuccking moron. No legal decisions were made about the case beyond standing.
That’s from the ruling. They did not decide the merits of the case.
Here’s an actual lawyer (not you) explaining what that means.
https://reason.com/volokh/2024/06/26/the-supreme-courts-dangerous-standing-ruling-in-murthy-v-missouri/
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Dude. EVERYONE with a law degree (which you don’t have). I spend basically every day with lawyers. Not a single one thinks your claims make sense. Because they don’t.
IT TOTALLY MATTERS which is why others keep citing the case.
Answer the fucking question, dude: why wasn’t there standing?
You mean the post where Ilya says “social media platforms have a First Amendment right to make content moderation decisions.” Again showing that you’re full of shit?
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This is a mutually exclusive conclusion. If it wasn’t ruled on, then they wouldn’t have determined there was no standing. A ruling of no standing is still a ruling. And a ruling of no standing comes with a reason. In this case, it’s a reason you don’t want to be true, so you’ll argue contradictory bullshit like “they didn’t rule anything; they just ruled something!”
You haven’t learned from your idol Trump, but we’ll say it again for the sycophants with half a brain cell of self-awareness: Just because you repeat bullshit doesn’t make it true.
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It’s not, you’re retarded. It was a “ruling not to rule”.
Nothing was legally determined, and your semantic dissembling is not interesting.
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I mean, this is just so blatantly false as to be laughable. What was legally determined was the plaintiffs had no standing. What you ignore is why they had no standing, and the reason, as was clearly stated by the majority decision was that there was no evidence presented that supported their claims.
I don’t know why you keep pretending otherwise.
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It’s exactly true. You are lying every single time you pretend anything of substance was decided in this case beyond standing.
— Ilya Somin (an actual lawyer, unlike you) on Reason.com
You’re lying, I know you’re lying, you know I know you’re lying, and yet still you continue to lie.
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You misunderstanding what Ilya is saying is fucking hilarious and once again shows you should never open your mouth on these issues. You’re so fucking stupid.
It is true that there was no proactive decision that says “everything they did was legal.” But… there was the court saying “we see no evidence of illegality, and you would need to show that to have standing.”
It’s true that absence of evidence does not definitively say that no censorship happened. Indeed, I agree. Throughout the entirety of the case I explicitly called out where there could be concerns of the government going over the line.
But the failure to get standing in this case showed DEFINITIVELY that THESE PLAINTIFFS FAILED TO SHOW ANY EVIDENCE THAT ROSE TO A LEVEL OF CENSORSHIP.
Fucking dipshit.
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He’s saying you’re a moron, as are many other lawyers. Also, not an argument.
There was no decision, period, beyond standing.
No, that is NOT what they said, YOU ARE LYING.
They said illegality HAD NOT BEEN PROVEN, which is completely fucking different than “no evidence”.
Not only that, it was not really a question of whether the pressure campaign had occurred (it had) but whether it was STILL happening, and they were seeing an injunction.
Yeah, that’s “Ilya” saying you’re an idiot.
That’s “Ilya” saying you’re a dumbass. “Nice social media platform you got there, it would be a shame if we decided to regulate it”
Literally lying. Not even vaguely what was said nor what it means legally.
Not an argument. I’d call you stupid but you literally cannot not understand that lack of standing means nothing of substance was concluded, so you’re just fuucking lying.
Literally Ilya Somin saying you’re a liar.
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So why did the courts rule against the plaintiffs in re: standing?
Proving illegality requires evidence. The plaintiffs claimed they had the evidence. So why did the courts rule against the plaintiffs in re: standing?
So why did the courts rule against the plaintiffs in re: standing?
So why did the courts rule against the plaintiffs in re: standing?
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Anyone literate wouldn’t say that.
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Okay, so…why did the court rule that there was no standing?
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It does not matter, at all. There was no ruling based on merit. No legal determination, no precedent. (in reality it was probably a political dodge)
And your boy MM feels the need to consistently lie about what that ruling was (or lack thereof) in order to claim a win he did not get. It’s pathetic.
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There was a legal determination: that there was no standing. And there absolutely was precedent that came from that, which is why the case is regularly cited now. If it wasn’t a precedent it wouldn’t be so widely cited.
But, of course, you’re not a lawyer. You’re not a legal analyst. Your an engineer who is in the MAGA cult and will lie lie lie all day long in support of your god king. Fucking pathetic.
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Literally the only precedent is that it’s harder to get standing, particularly for the states on behalf of users.
It’s really not. It’s just the most recent and basically only digital age case on censorship by proxy. The “no standing” this was an interesting decision but only in that it was a political dodge, they didn’t want to deal with it after the censorship had stopped.
Neither are you.
Neither are you. You’re a fraud.
You are literally lying about a case that did not go your way because if you admit it didn’t go your way you have no argument at all.
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No. The precedent is that YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO SHOW COERCION to win a First Amendment argument. And it’s not hard because we know that THE SAME DAY they heard this case they also heard Vullo and came down 9-0 that that WAS government censorship.
It’s easy to win if you can show the coercion. Vullo showed that. Murthy showed that if you just wave your hands without evidence, you’re shito ut of luck.
You’re wrong, jackass. Meanwhile, it’s true that neither of us are lawyers, but only one of us keeps getting called to present to judges, members of Congress, and the media about how the law works. Call me when you do.
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As Mike mentioned, the court ruled unanimously against the government in Vullo because that case showed a clear injury done to the plaintiffs by the government. If the court wanted to pull a “political dodge” against Democrats, why did it ding the government of a state long considered by conservatives to be a bastion of liberalism and “wokeness”?
The problem with your arguments is the same problem with the plaintiffs’ arguments in Murthy: None of the evidence in that case shows a clear injury to the plaintiffs because none of the evidence shows any attempts at coercive action from the government. Such evidence was blatantly obvious in Vullo; in Murthy, not so much—which is why the courts ruled the plaintiffs didn’t have standing in Murthy.
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1) well, he’s a liar, so that didn’t seem important.
2) Vullo isn’t relevant, at all. Completely different case, different subject, different set of facts. Both of you are just trying to move the goalposts.
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He has more credibility than you do, which is what really matters here.
Vullo and Murthy both involved what the plaintiffs claimed was coercive government action levied against protected speech. The difference between the two is that the plaintiffs in Vullo could prove their claims with their evidence. If the plaintiffs in Murthy could’ve done the same, why did the court rule against them in re: standing?
Let’s say you’re the One Correct Truthteller here.
If the complaints at the heart of Murthy were credible and the evidence could prove coercive action from the government—which you clearly believe it could—why did the court rule against the plaintiffs in Murthy in re: standing? Even if you don’t think the answer is all that important, you should still be able to give the answer.
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Seems to me that the court ruling against standing implies the court looked at the arguments and didn’t see any activity from the government that would’ve given the plaintiffs standing to sue.
So why did the court rule that there was no standing?
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That is not what lack of standing means at all, Reetard.
It just literally means the plaintiffs (in this case, states) were not the injured party.
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Dude. Dude. Duuuuuuuuude. Yes, the states were not injured. Because THEY COULD SHOW NO INJURY.
First the court (in an opinion written by one of your justices) says that the states themselves failed to show any censorship:
See that? That’s one of five times that ACB highlighted “no evidence.”
But, more to the point, the states weren’t the only plaintiffs. And none of the other plaintiffs showed any evidence either!
THAT IS WHY THEY LOST ON STANDING while in the Vullo case there was a unanimous finding of a 1st Amendment violation. Because the NRA COULD show actual coercive censorship attempts by the gov’t.
It’s that simple, no matter how much you deny it. THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE in the Missouri case. And THAT is why they lost on standing.
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In this case, it is. The court looked at the evidence alleging harm that was presented by the plaintiffs and found that said evidence did not give the plaintiffs any actionable claims. Even if the court didn’t say “everything those companies did was legal”, it did say “nothing we’ve seen shows any injury that gives the plaintiffs standing to sue”. A lay person might argue that those two conclusions are the same thing, even if (legally speaking) they’re not. A loss on standing is as good as a loss on the merits in this case because standing hinged on the same evidence of injury (or lack thereof) upon which the case would’ve been tried on its merits.
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What’s pathetic clownboy, is that you think you understand legal matters.
You blather on about merit while totally missing the point why they ruled they way they did and it is just mindboggling that you are unable to connect the dots here. It is very simple, it was concluded the plaintiffs suit had no merit, substance or proof of injury (you know, the part you are desperately ignoring) that would trigger Article III standing.
But keep screaming about lies while we point out your stupid clownishness.
This makes sense from the thought process of a self-aware sociopath. “If they knew what we were doing with our power, they’d get angry and become a threat!”
It’s a full-throated confession. They don’t have a problem with unethical behavior. It’s just such a pain in the ass when they get caught and called out for it.
Hey, Zuck stillmcounts as a free speech warrior, he’s fighting to take away the speech rights of others. ChatGPT ways warriors fight a lot by definition so he totally counts.
Zuck showed us who he was a long time ago. Too bad hardly anyone noticed.
“They ‘trust me’. Dumb fucks.”