Fifth Circuit: Actually, Putting The Ten Commandments In Schools Is Probably Fine

from the fifth-circus dept

Last June, the Fifth Circuit Appeals Court upheld a lower court’s ruling declaring a Louisiana law mandating the posting of the Ten Commandments in public schools to be a violation of the Constitution.

This decision made immediate sense, given that courts elsewhere in the nation (including the US Supreme Court) had repeatedly ruled that laws like these destroyed the separation of church and state. These laws were extremely obvious violations of the First Amendment that elevated one particular religion to a position of prominence with the backing of government power.

That hasn’t stopped MAGA legislators from creating similarly unconstitutional laws around the nation. These opportunists are hoping to convert their Trump coattail-riding into local iterations of Trump’s white Christian nationalist efforts.

Last June may as well be a lifetime ago. In that ruling, the Fifth Circuit made it clear the law was nothing more than an unconstitutional way for the state government to shove its preferred deity down students’ throats.

The statute does not require that the Ten Commandments be integrated into a curriculum of study. On the contrary, under the statute’s minimum requirements, the posters must be indiscriminately displayed in every public school classroom in Louisiana regardless of class subject-matter. See La. R.S. § 17:2124(B)(1). Louisiana insists, however, that unlike Kentucky, its Legislature has a valid “secular historical and educational purpose” for displaying the Ten Commandments in classrooms, which is reflected in the statute.

[…]

Louisiana’s purported legislative purpose states:
It is the Legislature’s intent to apply the decision set forth by the Supreme Court of the United States in Van Orden v. Perry, 545 U.S. 677 (2005), to continue the rich tradition [of including the Ten Commandments in the education of our children] and ensure that the students in our public schools may understand and appreciate the foundational documents of our state and national government.

[…]

It is also unclear how H.B. 71 ensures that students in Louisiana public schools “understand and appreciate the foundational documents of [its] state and national government” when it makes displaying those “foundational” documents optional, and does not require that they also be printed in a large, easily readable font. La. R.S. § 17:2124(A)(9). When the Ten Commandments must be posted prominently and legibly, while the other “contextual” materials need not be visible at all, the disparity lays bare the pretext.

That was the court refusing to let Louisiana lawmakers have their cake and eat it too by pretending the Ten Commandments were both “optional” and essential to students’ instruction.

The en banc opinion [PDF] — released in late February — goes in a completely different direction. The majority somehow reaches the conclusion that the lawsuit is premature. It lifts the injunction preventing the law from taking effect. The court contorts itself to give Louisiana a free pass to post the Ten Commandments prominently in public schools by pretending it doesn’t know how this mandate will actually look in practice.

While H.B. 71 sets certain “minimum requirement[s]” regarding the text, size, and accompanying “context statement” of the displays, it leaves “[t]he nature of the display” entirely to the discretion of local school boards. La. Rev. Stat. § 17:2124(B)(1)–(3). That delegation and those minimum requirements—necessarily leave numerous essential questions unanswered. We do not know, for example, how prominently the displays will appear, what other materials might accompany them, or how—if at all— teachers will reference them during instruction. More fundamentally, we do not even know the full content of the displays themselves. Although the statute requires inclusion of the Commandments and a context statement, it expressly permits additional content—such as “the Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence, and the Northwest Ordinance”—to appear alongside them. Id. § 2124(B)(4).

Simply put, we cannot evaluate “how the text is used,” Van Orden, 545 U.S. at 701 (Breyer, J., concurring in the judgment) (emphasis omitted), because we do not yet know—and cannot yet know—how the text will be used.

But we do actually know all of these things. And the Court does too, even if it has conveniently chosen to ignore the law to give the GOP what it wants yet again. (See also: this, this, this, this, etc.) As Rachel Lager — one of the attorneys representing the plaintiffs in this case — points out in her article for The Hill, the state’s lawyers and the bill’s proponents have already answered the questions the Fifth Circuit is now pretending are in need of further examination.

This law intends for the government (public schools) to convey that the words of the Ten Commandments — including “I AM the LORD thy God. Thou shalt have no other gods before me,” and “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy” — are mandates for all children, regardless of whether they and their families are Hindu and believe in many gods or nonreligious and believe in none.

Lest there be any doubt that this law was written to proselytize students, state Rep. Dodie Horton (R), the law’s sponsor, told us so when she proposed the bill: “I’m not concerned with an atheist. I’m not concerned with a Muslim, I’m concerned with our children looking and seeing what God’s law is.” Judge James Dennis was on point in his dissent when he called the court’s reasoning “procedural artifice.”

That vast gap between the Fifth Circuit’s “narrow” holding and the facts on the ground likely explain why there’s only a single published concurrence and several dissents. The sole concurrence was written by Judge James Ho, who boldly, baldly declares Supreme Court precedent on the subject is “no longer good law,” despite the Supreme Court never having said so itself. Ho also says the lawsuit isn’t just premature, but entirely without merit.

Multiple dissents disagree. The first, written by James Dennis and co-signed by three other judges — says James Ho and the rest of the majority are wrong. Pretending Supreme Court precedent regarding the mandated posting of the Ten Commandments (via a Kentucky state law) is no longer relevant because the Supreme Court ruled in favor of a coach who was fired for engaging in post-game prayers with his players is deliberately ignoring the difference between state action and personal action in order to reach the conclusion these pro-Bible-down-your-throat judges had already decided was the correct ruling.

Bound by Stone v. Graham and its progeny, and mindful that we are not the Supreme Court, I conclude that permanently posting the Ten Commandments in every public school classroom, without curricular incorporation and with compulsory attendance, violates the Establishment Clause. Our court avoids confronting that conclusion only through procedural artifice. I dissent.

Another dissent points out what the state, its legislators, and the majority of Fifth Circuit judges have also chosen to ignore: that religious leaders don’t even want the state to do what it’s doing.

Indeed, every faith-based organization before us—on behalf of thousands of members—and every clergy and devout plaintiff agree that Louisiana must not pick and post specific scripture that the state commands will confront children in state classrooms. All religious voices submitted to us, barring one individual, oppose Louisiana’s attempt to select, inculcate, and enforce this version of gospel text in compulsory public education.

The only people left arguing for this are arguing in bad faith. Parents and religious leaders who pretend any instruction in anything they’re opposed to (gender issues, evolution, socialism, etc.) is a form of indoctrination are more than willing to sign off on literal government indoctrination so long as it’s the sort of indoctrination they like.

Even if the en banc court felt this might need more discussion, it should have erred on the side of plaintiffs. In choosing to do otherwise, it’s basically telling plaintiffs in the Fifth Circuit that their rights need to be violated first because they can start questioning the constitutionality of enacted laws. That’s insane. But it’s the sort of insane the Fifth Circuit is known for. The only question now is whether the Supreme Court still has enough honest justices left to reverse this obviously unconstitutional decision by the Fifth.

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CTS says:

Re:

yup, religion & government power have always been a dangerous mix aywhere– and America was not immune.

The overwhelming switch to government public schools in late 19th Century America was heavily driven by native Protestants seeking an indoctrination tool to defend against the despised beliefs of immigrant Catholics & Jews.

Anonymous Coward says:

I’m curious… which version of the ten commandments is being legislated?

Are we talking about the original Aramaic text? The Hebrew translation? The Ancient Greek? The Latin? The Authorized King James translation of 1611? Any modern translation the school wants to use?

And on top of that, are we talking about the text from Exodus 20:1–17 or the text from Deuteronomy 5:4–21?

Or are we talking about the equivalent text from the Tanakh?

If this is for the purposes claimed in the suit, they should be referencing the Authorized Version (King James, 1611) used by the founding fathers of US confederation.

Only problem there is that very few school teachers, and no students, should be expected to understand 17th century English today, let alone how it would have been interpreted in 18th century North America. They’d need a companion Oxford English Dictionary to work out actual meanings of the words, as the 18th century lawmakers would have understood them.

I mean… do they really want to include “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s ass” posted in every classroom?

And I admit, there is definitely strong irony in posting “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth” right beside, say, an Earth Day poster, over top of a table containing models of objects found in nature.

I suspect that the lawmakers pushing for this law don’t actually know what the 10 commandments are — only a curated list of custom interpretations, such as:

  1. Admit there’s a single God
  2. Don’t make or worship idols
  3. Don’t use foul language
  4. Don’t work on Sunday
    4a. Admit that the world was made by God in 6 days
  5. Respect your parents
  6. Don’t kill anyone
  7. Keep marriage between one man and one woman and don’t cheat
  8. Don’t steal
  9. Don’t lie about others
  10. Don’t envy others

Let’s just say that this isn’t how the founding fathers would have interpreted the commandments, let alone the authors of the KJV or the authors of Exodus or Deutoronomy.

That One Guy (profile) says:

'The first amendment only applies when and how it benefits us!'

Another ruling by the second most openly corrupt court in the US that positively screams ‘Come up with desired outcome first, work backwards for excuses to justify it second.’

When you have to openly ignore what the law’s own writers and supporters say it’s meant to do in order to pretend that there’s no way to know what the outcome may be if it’s allowed to go into effect it’s crystal clear that you’re not acting in good faith.

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Bloof (profile) says:

Let’s see how well the modern day republican party does at following the commandments they want to replace the rule of law and adorn every public space, shall we?

1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.”

They’re actively encouraging and participating n modern day Trump worshipping cults like qAnon, so that’s a fail there.

2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.”

Gold Trump statue at CPac, Trump’s image slapped on every building he controls. Fail.

3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

Trump’s followers have embraced the weaponisation of religion they do not adhere to and he surrounds himself with prosperity gospel ghouls who do no good works in the name of a god they pretend to represent. Fail.

4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.”

Many GOP donors are from crunch heavy or gig economy industries, not a lot of Sundays off there, another fail.

5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.”
Trump himself robbed his siblings and their children of their share of his father’s wealth, lots of honour there. Fail.

6 “You shall not murder.”
Epstein files allegations, Epstein himself allegedly, drone strikes on people in boats in Venezuelan waters… Faaaail.

7 “You shall not commit adultery.
Ask Newt Gingrich, or better yet, Trump and of his wives, current and former, or Stormy Daniels, Michael Cohen… Fail.

8 “You shall not steal.
See 5, and most of Trump’s actions over the past 50 years. He only made money when stealing from someone. Fail.

9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.”
How have all the claims made against Canada and Europe held up? Election theft from Latin America? Venezuela as the drug capital of the world? Fail

10 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Venezuela’s oil fields say hi, Greenland’s mineral wealth, Mexico’s oil reserves… Faily fail fail fail.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Republicans promoting the 10 Commandments is just another example of their lack of self-awareness, as you’ve eloquently pointed out.

Notice how their focus on ‘god’ always points to the asshole, PMS-ing god of the old testament? The one who if you take the bible even remotely serious, is the leading cause of death among those he supposedly loves? The one who knocked up Mary (a woman he wasn’t married to, by the way) to create a son to ‘solve’ a problem god himself created…yeah, that guy. Worthless when it comes to morality – if such a god actually manifested itself on earth, we would put that piece of shit in solitary confinement and let it rot.*

*Polite society would – MAGA would elect it president, and excuse its sociopathic behavior.

Why promote Asshole god, instead of the Christ guy? Because they hate Jesus for his socialist/communist/pinko views…the asshole god is more their style.

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Why choose 10 commandments where 3/10 serve asshole god’s massive ego, 3/10 are law (with one of those 3 only in certain circumstances), 1 demands honor, instead of earning it, 2/10 requires your noses in other people’s bedrooms, and the 10th one being the fucking foundation of capitalism?

It goes well beyond them not following them in the first place. 7/10 simply make zero sense in practicality.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Every accusation a confession, every self-given label a rejection of.

If Jesus showed up in the current US he’d be kidnapped by the US gestapo within a week and the ‘hardcore christian MAGAts’ would be making videos mocking the ‘woke lib’ they tossed in a cell and openly laughing at the thought of him being shipped off to a foreign country to be tortured.

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