Vance’s Double Standard: Nazi Jokes Are “Kids Being Kids,” But Mocking Charlie Kirk Gets Your Visa Revoked

from the he'd-have-to-have-standards-to-even-make-it-a-double-standard dept

JD Vance thinks praising Hitler and talking about putting political enemies into death chambers is harmless “kids being kids,” but criticizing Charlie Kirk is somehow deserving of state-supported punishment.

It sure looks like he’s got quite the double standard.

Yesterday, Vance defended Young Republican leaders who were caught in leaked chat logs making racist, antisemitic, and pro-Nazi comments, dismissing their behavior as harmless kids being edgy. But just a month ago, this very same JD Vance was calling for people to be reported to their employers for making far milder comments about Charlie Kirk’s death. And this week, his administration revoked visas from foreigners who criticized Kirk online.

Let’s start with what Vance said yesterday about the Young Republicans scandal. When asked about leaked Telegram messages showing Republican leaders joking about gas chambers, expressing love for Hitler, and using racial slurs more than 250 times, Vance had this to say:

The reality is that kids do stupid things, especially young boys. They tell edgy, offensive jokes. That’s what kids do. And I really don’t want us to grow up in a country where a kid telling a stupid joke — telling a very offensive, stupid joke — is cause to ruin their lives. At some point, we’re all going to have to say, ‘enough of this BS, we’re not going to allow the worst moment in a 21-year-old’s group chat to ruin a kid’s life for the rest of time. That’s just not ok.

You can see that video at the end of this clip here:

JD Vance dismisses Young Republicans who in a group chat said "I love Hitler" and joked about slavery and rape as "a bunch of kids" who "told stupid jokes" and adds that "most of the stupid things I did when I was a teenager and young adult, they're not on the internet."

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-10-15T17:10:47.699Z

There are several problems with this defense. First, these weren’t “kids”—many of the participants were in their twenties and thirties, and some held high-level government positions. Peter Giunta was chief of staff to a New York assemblymember. William Hendrix worked for Kansas Attorney General Kris Kobach. Michael Bartels serves as a senior adviser in the Trump administration’s Small Business Administration.

Second, these weren’t just “stupid jokes.” The leaked messages included participants saying “I love Hitler,” joking about putting political opponents in gas chambers, using racial slurs hundreds of times, and discussing rape as “epic.” One participant wrote about creating “the greatest physiological torture methods known to man” for political opponents.

But the bigger issue isn’t Vance’s factual errors—it’s his breathtaking hypocrisy.

Just last month, Vance guest-hosted Charlie Kirk’s radio show and had a very different message about “edgy, offensive” comments. When people made critical remarks about Kirk’s death, Vance urged listeners to hold them accountable:

Call them out, and hell, call their employer. We don’t believe in political violence, but we do believe in civility.

This wasn’t theoretical. Many people lost their jobs after Vance’s call to action. Apparently, their “edgy, offensive” jokes were uncivil and unacceptable, and a perfectly good reason to “ruin their lives,” but when it’s pro-Nazi (!!!) content, suddenly Vance wants to give it a pass? Come on.

And this week, Vance’s own administration took it even further. The State Department revoked visas from at least six foreigners who made critical comments about Kirk’s death on social media. The department explicitly stated as much in a tweet:

If you can’t read that, it says:

The United States has no obligation to host foreigners who wish death on Americans.

The State Department continues to identify visa holders who celebrated the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk. Here are just a few examples of aliens who are no longer welcome in the U.S.

It then proceeded to show the posts from people whose visas it had revoked, making it blatantly clear that they were deciding to punish people in America for their speech, an unambiguous First Amendment violation. The State Department then showed social media posts from some of those whose visas were revoked, and they appeared way less “edgy” and “offensive” than anything that was revealed in that Young Republicans chat.

So let’s be clear about the double standard here: When Young Republicans joke about Hitler and gas chambers, they’re just “kids” telling “edgy, offensive jokes” that we shouldn’t ruin their lives over. But when foreigners or Americans criticize a conservative influencer—with comments that were objectively far milder than “I love Hitler”—they deserve to lose their jobs, their visas, and their livelihoods.

And, of course, this is a regular pattern from the Trump administration. Graduate student Rumeysa Ozturk was literally kidnapped off the street for writing a mild op-ed in support of Palestine. The administration has revoked over 6,000 student visas this year, sometimes targeting students who protested in support of Palestine (the State Dept. falsely said it was for “terrorist activity.”) Jimmy Kimmel’s show was taken off the air over an extremely mild joke about MAGA’s reaction to Charlie Kirk’s death.

And there are many more examples as well.

Hell, there are even more examples of Vance trying to dismiss horrible things his friends say as “kids being kids.” Remember Marko Elez, the 25-year-old DOGE bro who was found to have posted a ton of truly racist shit just last year? After the tweets came out, Elez resigned, but JD Vance quickly stepped up to defend the tweets as some form of youthful edgy indiscretion:

So, again, when it’s blatantly racist, hateful shit, Vance’s response is:

I don’t think stupid social media activity should ruin a kid’s life.

The pattern is unmistakable: pro-Nazi, blatantly hateful rhetoric from Republican allies gets dismissed as harmless fun, while even mild criticism of conservative figures or support for Palestinian rights gets you targeted for life-ruining punishment by federal agencies.

Vance owes the American people an explanation that he will never give. When exactly are “edgy, offensive jokes” acceptable, and when do they deserve government retaliation? Because right now, it appears the only rule is that it’s all in good fun if your hateful, pro-Nazi posts are in support of the MAGA plan. And simply cannot be allowed if they call out bad behavior on the part of MAGA folks.

If joking about Hitler and gas chambers is just boys being boys, then surely criticizing a political commentator should barely register as offensive speech. Yet somehow, the people making Nazi jokes get Vice Presidential protection while their critics get federal persecution.

This is the MAGA world view: hateful neo-Nazi supporting bigotry is all cool if you’re doing so in support of team MAGA. But if you’re not on the team, then it’s fine to weaponize the entire government against your political views. This is the very blueprint for authoritarian control of speech.

Vance knows full well that he’s using a double standard here. But that’s part of his fascistic view of the world. He’s flaunting the fact that he will abuse his position to protect his friends, while eagerly punishing his political opponents for doing way less. It’s right out of the fascist playbook.

Vance finds it hilarious that he’s getting away with such a double standard, but that doesn’t mean anyone else needs to play along. Keep calling it out. And if there are any true reporters left, they should keep asking him about this double standard over and over again.

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The Phule says:

It’s as I said: Lot of people are all “Freedom of speech” about their own speech, but “String them up” about their speech of others.

It’s clear we need clear, enforceable, standards that match general opinion of speech. Any such clear enforceable standards would bite Republicans harder than Democrats because, newsflash, Republicans are assholes.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Even if I were to grant Vance a bit of deference and take his “they were just jokes” argument seriously, I’d still have a counter-argument to that: All humor has roots in the truth, so the people making bigoted jokes in that group chat are genuinely bigoted⁠—which the sheer repetition of those “jokes” over a span of months made clear enough. You don’t say the kind of shit they said unless you’re (A) a dumb 13-year-old who found 4chan for the first time and thinks saying the N-word a hundred times is edgy and subversive, or (B) someone who holds bigoted beliefs.

The people in that group chat can apologize all they want, but they showed their true selves when they thought nobody else would ever see them. When they talk like Nazis, they’ll act like Nazis if they ever have the chance. Believe them when they tell you who they are⁠—and never let them live it down unless they do the work to repent their transgressions and fix their hearts.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Yup, they acted that way because they felt the safety of numbers. For the “it’s just jokes” crowd, I like to refer to what’s known as the Rule of Goats (from Urban Dictionary): “If you fuck a goat, even if you say it’s for the lulz or to prove a larger point, you’re still a goat-fucker.”

Anonymous Coward says:

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All humor has roots in the truth

But Seinfeld disproved that: “Well, what about that Bavarian cream pie joke I told you? There’s no truth to that. Nobody with a terminal illness goes from the United States to Europe for a piece of Bavarian cream pie, and then when they get there and they don’t have it, he says ‘Ah, I’ll just have some coffee.’ There’s no truth to that.”

It was even in an episode that joked about Nazis.

Anonymous Coward says:

The posts weren’t even ‘jokes’.

They were lists of people these young republicans think should be executed as ‘political enemies’ along with the type of execution (beheading / hanging etc) for each.

Just a long LONG list of ethic groups and how to murder them. No humor. Not even a failed attempt at a joke.

Just a group basically brainstorming on whether they think ALL journalists should be shot or gassed in mobile vans etc.

MIcheal Rossiter says:

not even jokes

The posts weren’t even ‘jokes’.

They were lists of people these young republicans think should be executed as ‘political enemies’ along with the type of execution (beheading / hanging etc) for each.

Just a long LONG list of ethic groups and how to murder them. No humor. Not even a failed attempt at a joke.

Just a group basically brainstorming on whether they think ALL journalists should be shot or gassed in mobile vans etc.

Mamba (profile) says:

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Oh, I think you’re right. Which is why this play is so obviously self demeaning. He’s dragging what little dignity he has left through the shitter so that later he’s going to be openly mocked and ridiculed by the people he’s courting.

Which brings me to another point about Vance. There is no way a man this dumb wrote a book. Someone out there ghost wrote it for him.

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Strawb (profile) says:

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And no, college kids making edgelord jokes is not even vaguely the same thing

It wasn’t college kids, it was employed adults between the ages of 24 and 31, and it’s still a double standard.

you’re an idiot for equating them.

…said the idiot who believes the blatant right-wing spin on the chat comments.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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Not “mocking Charlie Kirk”, they were celebrating his death.

Let’s assume that’s the case. Do you think the GOP would be equally as outraged if a major left-wing figure⁠—let’s say Barack Obama for the sake of argument⁠—were killed and people on the right chose to mock his death with Harambe jokes? Because I think Trump himself would get in on that action.

The double standard here is about who the GOP-controlled government believes has a right to speak, what subjects those people get to talk about, and how those people should talk about those subjects. According to JD Vance, grown-ass adults with fully-fledged political careers can talk about doing a second Holocaust and that’s just “kids making jokes”, but one person saying even the slightest negative thing about Charlie Kirk⁠—perhaps even quoting him verbatim to point out what a shitbag he was!⁠—is an offense so vile that it requires direct punishment from the federal government. You tell me: Does that sound like someone who believes the First Amendment applies to everyone?

Jay Jones apparently really wants his political opponents and their kids dead.

And that’s horrible and he should be (and has been) condemned for that speech. Now where’s the unequivocal condemnation from Vance for the similarly violent and reprehensible speech made by those Young Republicans?

The democrats have a violence problem.

Didn’t the guy who killed Charlie Kirk align with Trump? And didn’t the guy who killed Trump also support Trump? And didn’t the people who rioted at the Capitol in 2021 support Trump? And haven’t right-wingers committed the overwhelming majority of documented acts of mass casualty violence and domestic terrorism over the past few decades?

college kids making edgelord jokes is not even vaguely the same thing

And if we were talking about children, maybe you’d have a point. But these weren’t teenagers with their first cellphones and access to 4chan. These were adults with actual careers; one of them was (and at the moment, still is) a sitting state Senator. Trying to write this off with the usual white innocence bullshit won’t work this time. These people knew who they were when they started making those comments. If anyone in that chat had an actual problem with those comments, they never said so. If any of them didn’t want to perform or celebrate the vile acts mentioned in that group chat, none of them raised an objection. The people in that group chat knew exactly what they were saying, thinking, celebrating, and threatening. Letting them off the hook because of their skin color and/or political affiliation might even make you worse than them⁠—after all, you can see the shameless cruelty and violent bigotry in which they believe, then write it off as “kids telling jokes”.

Barack Obama really messed you fuckers up, huh? American democracy proved a Black man could be elected be president and you right-wing hood-wearing shitbirds decided to destroy it out of revenge.

AbolishDisney (profile) says:

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Didn’t the guy who killed Charlie Kirk align with Trump?

There’s no proof of that. We know he memed about Trump at the start of his first term. That’s it. We also know that he was a kid at the time, and that he comes from a conservative Mormon family. A lot of people start off parroting their parents’ politics until they’re old enough to start forming their own opinions. His stated motive for killing Kirk was that his partner is trans, and he was disgusted by Kirk’s transphobia. That doesn’t sound very MAGA.

And sure, you could argue (as many have) that he’s lying, that his alleged partner is actually a cis man trying to frame the trans community, and that the whole thing is a massive conspiracy between Robinson, his friends and family, and state and federal law enforcement to pass off a case of right-on-right violence as an attack from the left… but that’s conspiratorial thinking. The problem with that line of thinking is that it starts with a conclusion (Tyler Robinson is a fascist) and works backwards to prove it. It’s no different than Republicans claiming that every right-wing terrorist is actually an Antifa supersoldier trying to make conservatives look bad.

It’s pointless anyway. Denying him won’t stop Republicans from calling us murderers, and we’re not obligated to take collective responsibility for the one case of potential left-wing violence after over a decade of fascists killing people on the regular.

Strawb (profile) says:

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His stated motive for killing Kirk was that his partner is trans, and he was disgusted by Kirk’s transphobia. That doesn’t sound very MAGA.

I can’t find any evidence of that. The only thing I can find is that he allegedly told his parents that he killed Kirk because Kirk “spreads too much hate”.

So where are you getting it from?

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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You know how people made up the lie that JD Vance fucks couches, but everyone ran with it anyway? He is exactly weird enough that someone could believe the idea of him fucking a couch without any real trouble. That’s the problem with a lot of these right-wing weirdos: You could make up an insane story about right-wing religious whackjobs⁠—a story like, say, “the son of the creator of a computer program designed to filter adult content was arrested for sex offenses related to his trying to hook up with an underage girl”⁠—and even if it wasn’t 100% real, it would still be believable because it sounds like something that would happen in the circles those weirdos inhabit.

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