Google Loses Big Antitrust Fight, Which Will Mean What, Exactly?

from the yeah,-but-now-what? dept

What if you found an antitrust violation… and almost all of the remedies wouldn’t actually do much to fix things? That might be the situation we’re in with Google’s antitrust loss this week. It’s not a good situation by any means, but it’s not clear what to do about it either. The DOJ’s historic antitrust win against Google raises a troubling question: what if the cure is almost as bad as the disease?

On Monday, the judge in Google’s big antitrust trial (the first of a few) found that the company had, in fact, violated antitrust laws. The ruling is massive (286 pages), so it took a few days for me to get through it. You can read straightforward coverage of it elsewhere, so I wanted to focus some of my thoughts on what this actually means.

And my general conclusion is… not very much? At best, it’s marginally helpful to Microsoft (one of just three companies that is larger than Google) and marginally harmful to Mozilla. But… not all that helpful at all to people who want there to be more competition and better search.

From the beginning, I thought this was a particularly weak antitrust case (apparently I was wrong!). I also thought that one of the other antitrust cases the company is facing (about advertising tech) was a hell of a lot stronger. So I’m a bit surprised by the conclusion here, but still left perplexed by what actual benefit this outcome has (should it stand).

And, of course, none of it really matters at all right now, because Google will appeal, and the case will go on for another five or so years before anything is decided. And, at that point, it’s possible that we’ll be living in an entirely different world, perhaps one where AI-driven search engines make Google’s position less dominant anyway.

However, let’s take a step back first, and start with a few key points before delving into this ruling in particular.

  1. Having more competition is good and having less competition is bad.
  2. Google is a tremendously powerful company, known (at times) to abuse that power in unfortunate ways. It’s entirely reasonable (and probably sensible) not to trust the company. There’s a reason why we removed all Google tracking and ads from Techdirt years ago.
  3. Things get complex when most people recognize that Google actually has the best search engine. That’s not to say it’s a good search engine. Many people believe it’s gotten a lot worse of late. But if users tend to think it’s the best and get upset at other companies if they present non-Google search results, what do you do? That was the question we asked last fall, and this ruling has not yet answered it.

All of that means that the situation here is uncomfortable. Judge Amit Mehta says that Google has a monopoly in search. He says the agreements it has made with Apple and Mozilla are a form of illegal tying. In these agreements, Google pays both of those companies lots of money to offer up Google search as a default in browsers and operating systems.

But, it’s a weird sort of monopoly in which the main evidence against the monopolist is that it pays billions of dollars to other companies. But, of course, the reasoning in the ruling is that Google pays that to effectively keep the market uncompetitive.

The judge finds that Google’s market share and the barrier to entry for new search engines is strong evidence that it has market power in search. The court found that Google did not have a monopoly in the search ads market, except in search text ads. It appears that Amazon’s product page ads somehow saved Google from also having a monopoly in regular search ads.

After establishing that Google has a monopoly in search and in text ads, it then explores whether or not its behavior is anti-competitive. Again, the Judge flat out says that everyone basically agrees that Google is the better product:

In a sense, Google is not wrong. It has long been the best search engine, particularly on mobile devices… Nor has Google sat still; it has continued to innovate in search…. Google’s partners value its quality, and they continue to select Google as the default because its search engine provides the best bet for monetizing queries…. Apple and Mozilla occasionally assess Google’s search quality relative to its rivals and find Google’s to be superior. … And Google’s rivals have tried to oust it as the default GSE. Microsoft, most notably, has pitched Apple on making Bing the default multiple times, and DDG made a bid to be the default for private browsing mode searches on Safari. …These firms have not succeeded in part due to their inferior quality. …. It is also true that Google foresaw that the future of search was on mobile. Microsoft acknowledges that it was slow to recognize the importance of developing a search product for mobile, and it has been trying to catch up—unsuccessfully—ever since.

The judge even quotes Apple’s Eddy Cue admitting that it wouldn’t be worth it for the degraded user experience, even if Microsoft paid them much more money:

The market reality is that Google is the only real choice as the default GSE. Apple’s Senior Vice President of Services, Eddy Cue, put it succinctly when, in a moment of (perhaps inadvertent) candor, he said: “[T]here’s no price that Microsoft could ever offer [Apple] to” preload Bing. Tr. at 2519:10-11 (Cue) (emphasis added). “No price.” Mozilla stated something similar in a letter to the Department of Justice prior to the filing of this lawsuit. It wrote that switching the Firefox default to a rival search engine “would be a losing proposition” because no competitor could monetize search as effectively as Google.

This again highlights the issue described above. But to the court, it is an argument that there is no real competition.

If “no price” could entice a partner to switch, or if doing so is viewed as a “losing proposition,” Google does not face true market competition in search

But also, that raises the issue of the other oddity mentioned above. If there’s no one else who’s better, then why is Google paying so much to Apple and Mozilla? Microsoft can’t outbid them, so why not pay less?

And here, the judge speculates that the payments disincentivize others from entering the space at all, based in large part on the founder of the defunct search engine Neeva.

That was the key takeaway from the testimony of Neeva’s founder and former Google Senior Vice President of Ads and Commerce, Dr. Ramaswamy. The court found him to be a particularly compelling witness. He put it best. When the court asked why Google pays billions in revenue share when it already has the best search engine, he answered that the payments “provide an incredibly strong incentive for the ecosystem to not do anything”; they “effectively make the ecosystem exceptionally resist[ant] to change”; and their “net effect . . . [is to] basically freeze the ecosystem in place[.]” Tr. at 3796:8–3798:22 (Ramaswamy). No one would ever describe a competitive marketplace in those terms. When the distribution agreements have created an ecosystem that has a “strong incentive” to do “nothing,” is “resist[ant] to change,” and is “basically [frozen] in place,” there is no genuine “competition for the contract” in search. It is illusory.

But all of that seems based on… pure hypotheticals. After all Neeva did enter the market. And failed. But others continue to try (like Kagi). Could Apple have made its own search engine? Maybe? Would it really have done so? Dunno. Would it have been any good? Also don’t know. Microsoft has spent billions on it and hasn’t done all that well. It seems more likely that the attempts by companies to use AI to reinvigorate search will have a better chance, and that’s unrelated to the issue of Google’s agreements.

And so, again, we get to remedies. The court can’t force someone else to create a good search engine that can compete with Google. Nor can it force Apple and Mozilla to default to other search engines when neither seem interested in doing so. About the only obvious move is to present a user choice screen of what search engine they want to use, which many users will see more as a nuisance than anything else. And… Europe already did this, and basically everyone still chose to use Google.

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Some people point to reports about similar choice screens for browsers “working” in the EU, but that really depends on how you define “working.” Some reports highlighted how smaller browsers saw a large bump in users, but it still appears negligible relative to the market leaders.

So all of this leaves everyone in an uncomfortable and not very helpful position. Yes, it would be nice if there were other competitors in the market. But what about this ruling will actually make that happen? At best, this seems to give Google an excuse to pay less to Apple and Mozilla, which helps Google out and harms Mozilla, one of the few companies that is actually competing in the browser space.

That doesn’t seem like a good or healthy result.

Some are arguing that this calls for a “breakup” of Google, but it’s also difficult to see. What in breaking up Google enables more successful search engines to hit the market? Again, that kind of remedy seems more reasonable (and more likely to have an impact) in the other case about adtech.

And, again, by the time this case is actually over, years down the road, the entire market may have already shifted. This leaves things in an uncomfortable position. Yes, Google is dominant in the market. And, no, that’s not great. But how do you get someone else to build a really good search engine out of this remains unclear.

So, in the end, I still find this case frustrating. What do you do when the status quo seems way less than ideal, but the remedies presented don’t seem likely to help, and could actually do damage to a competitive player like Mozilla?

It’s also made more problematic by having different antitrust cases targeting different parts of Google’s business. If you could take a more holistic view of the company and its impact on various markets, it seems like the issues, the impact, and the potential remedies would take a more comprehensive view. But, instead, this is what we’re left with.

The DOJ won a historic antitrust case, which might not have any significant impact at all.

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Ethin Probst (profile) says:

But all of that seems based on… pure hypotheticals. After all Neeva did enter the market. And failed. But others continue to try (like Kagi). Could Apple have made its own search engine? Maybe? Would it really have done so? Dunno. Would it have been any good? Also don’t know. Microsoft has spent billions on it and hasn’t done all that well. It seems more likely that the attempts by companies to use AI to reinvigorate search will have a better chance, and that’s unrelated to the issue of Google’s agreements.

I think your failing to understand just how dominant Google truly is. Nearly all the other major search engines, like Kagi, use Google’s index as part of their search database. Duck Duck Go is the only one to my knowledge that doesn’t; every other one I know of uses Google’s, either in whole or in part, and that is why Neeva failed. Google just has far too many resources and has the largest index. There is no incentive (and not even really a way) for someone to compete with Google’s indexing abilities. So they just use Google’s because Google has the biggest, well, everything, really, other than Bing.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Prior to later this year, Google by default indexes everything. By sharing the index, Google aids other search competitors by reducing their barrier to entry. The result is a search market where the algorithm defines the best, and not the company with the resources to index everything.

Google was the best not because it had an unbeatable index, but because it had the algorithm which made that index useful. That allowed them to share their index with everyone, because the value was not in the index.

Its like infrastructure, having a big index is only an advantage if no one else has it. Sharing the index reduces its monopolistic power in the search market.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Nearly all the other major search engines, like Kagi, use Google’s index as part of their search database.

Do you have a citation for that? Wikipedia’s list of search engines only explicitly shows Ask.com, Google, and Startpage using Google on the backend. Another 4 show “metasearch engine”, would could include Google. That leaves more than 20 that don’t.

Then again, what does “major” mean? I think only Bing and Google are really major worldwide—the court ruling shows Google having a 90% share to Bing’s 6%—with Yandex and Baidu also being popular in their respective countries of origin. Neither Baidu nor Kagi was “major enough” to even be mentioned in the ruling.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Does it still count as a monopoly

That’s the wrong question. Yes, a company can have a monopoly simply by being the best. That’s not illegal; but, once in that position, they come under additional legal scrutiny. Thus, the monopolist is prohibited from doing things (“abusing their monopoly”) that their smaller competitors legally could do. It’s probably legal for Kagi or DuckDuckGo to make “tying” deals with Mozilla and Apple, exactly the same as what was found illegal for Google to do.

And as for “solutions”, this is hardly the only situation in which there’s nothing obvious for a court to do. Convicting or acquitting someone of murder doesn’t solve anything either, for example, but a court still makes that determination. Sometimes with negative effects to other people, such as the convict’s family, balanced by nothing but a vague sense of justice.

While I’m not entirely sure whether it’s right for Google’s payments to be considered illegal, requiring Google to stop buying market share, and go back to earning it, doesn’t strike me as crazy. With their market dominance, they can afford payments their competitors can’t, effectively locking out those competitors. Unless and until the competition becomes so good it can’t be ignored, which is hard to do while Google is tilting the playing field. That seems similar to “payola” which was found to be illegal in the music market; or to Standard Oil paying railroad companies to favor their shipments, also found illegal.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Good points! Like Mike, I thought this was a pretty anemic case but a big part of was not expecting that Mehta would accept the “we can get worse without losing market share” point as a substitute for “we can charge whatever price we want without losing market share”. As with the recent voiding of most non-competes, it comes from a school of thought that there can be market and consumer harm beyond artificially high prices. It’s a promising pivot for competition, if it survives November.

One potential remedy I’ve seen floated is forcing Google to spin off either the browser side or the search side of its business. While that’s generally my preferred solution, I think it ends up unduly harsh for the harms Mehta identified.

Anonymous Coward says:

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One potential remedy I’ve seen floated is forcing Google to spin off either the browser side or the search side of its business.

I haven’t had time to even skim the full ruling, but the table of contents says a lot itself. Under the heading of “Google Has Monopoly Power in the General Search Services Market” and a lower heading of “Google’s Control of Key Distribution Channels”, we find this text:

The D.C. Circuit has described a dominant firm’s “control of interconnection with its local distribution facilities” as perhaps the “most critical[]” barrier to entry, which should be considered by looking at the “realities of control[.]” AT&T, 740 F.2d at 1002. Plaintiffs point to two sources of Google’s control: the challenged contracts and its ownership of Chrome. […]
It is also a “realit[y] of control” that Google is the sole default on Chrome. AT&T, 740 F.2d at 1002. Queries on user-downloaded Chrome make up 20% of searches conducted in the United States. FOF ¶ 63. Though the Chrome default is not alleged to be exclusionary conduct, it is a market reality that significantly narrows the available channels of distribution and thus disincentivizes the emergence of new competition. Google’s near-complete control of the most efficient search distribution channels is a major barrier to entry.

So, splitting browser and search seems to only address a small part of the complaints; perhaps too small. It doesn’t really address the defaults on non-Chrome browsers, and may not fully address the concerns regarding Android defaults.

Anonymous Coward says:

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So, splitting browser and search seems to only address a small part of the complaints; perhaps too small

Agreed – the tiny benefits it provides (towards the identified harm) are outweighed by the severity of the remedy. Of course, as someone with the overarching complaint that “Google’s dominance of the search, ad, and browser markets gives it an insurmountable information asymmetry advantage that inherently distorts those and other markets”… I’d leap at any chance to drive the wedge in. I suspect it’s a similar wishful thinking that drives the breakup fantasizing elsewhere.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

I’d leap at any chance to drive the wedge in. I suspect it’s a similar wishful thinking that drives the breakup fantasizing elsewhere.

Well, maybe someone can propose a different breakup that makes more sense. It could be along different lines, or into more than 2 companies. But it’s not a thing that should be arbitrarily done as a punishment; we should have some reason to think it will improve the relevant market(s).

Anonymous Coward says:

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I wonder if requiring Google to spin off its web-spidering division, or provide access to these data flows or fairly “raw” query results, would be a decent remedy.

Google could then still have its own search engine, with its own selection, ordering, and summarization of results, and of course its own advertising. But so could anyone else.

Anonymous Coward says:

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In fact, nearly every competing search engine in the last 20 years has used Google’s web index as part of their service.

Does the ruling mention it, or do you have any details on how this works?

My suspicion is that it may be something like when telephone companies that are also Internet Service Providers open their lines up to third-party ISPs: they often give their own service special treatment, such that the others can’t really compete. It’s why the British regulator, for example, made BT functionally separate the Openreach service.

So, is Google Search just one web-index client among many, all paying the same rates and getting the same service? Or was this third-party access a half-assed thing done mostly for appearances?

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Anonymous Coward says:

This ruling also seems to imply (incoherently in my humble opinion) that Apple can not “just” sell its “default browser” configuration…. or at least not to a sufficiently popular search engine.

This has weird consequences. Like: business deals that are perfectly legit suddenly (with no change to the deal, or business practice) need to be rescinded because the other party got too popular.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Honestly I think the best thing to do here would be to bind Google to some kind of ethics code in their conduct, so they can’t try to forcibly take over the internet. (Whether that’s with trying to break adblocker extensions or any of their other antics.)

Maybe we should consider doing that to all the big companies, although I’m not sure I’d trust lawmakers with it.

Anonymous Coward says:

Bing is better than google if you are looking
for videos in my opinion .one option is to ask google to sell off android as a separate company and allow people to use Microsoft or apple email address,s as a entry to the play store .
The problem is most people use android phones
and android apps and Google search
Consumers don’t feel they are getting ripped off by using Google
Google competes with apple in the phone market and Microsoft is dominant in the PC laptop market where it encourages user to use bing and the edge browser .

No one knows if new search engines to that use Ai will be popular
Gmail is free and at least google products are reliable and safe goggle does not sell off private user data to other companies
People have trust in google
Will people trust a new search engine in the same way ?

Arianity says:

About the only obvious move is to present a user choice screen of what search engine they want to use, which many users will see more as a nuisance than anything else. And… Europe already did this, and basically everyone still chose to use Google.

You say that like it’s a bad thing but… that seems fine? That’s exactly how it’s supposed to work.

The point of antitrust law (in the U.S.) is not that something can’t be a monopoly. It’s that they can’t abuse that position to do things like building moats. If people are legitimately opting into it because it’s the best, that’s working as intended. And that still has benefit, because now Google has more incentive to stay sharp, instead of relying on people being locked in. It’s not perfect, but it’s better than the moats.

The whole point of free markets is competition. Sometimes in that competition, someone will be head and shoulders above the rest. The important part is making sure that they hold onto that position by continuing to be the best, and not doing anti-consumer things like moats. Google hasn’t enshittified enough that people are willing to jump ship, but at least they’ll have the option now, if it continues to do so. That’s a win.

Some are arguing that this calls for a “breakup” of Google, but it’s also difficult to see. What in breaking up Google enables more successful search engines to hit the market?

There’s a few ways, depending on how far/disruptive you want to go. On the smaller side, simply barring it from locking itself in probably wouldn’t do much. But you could also break up it’s ad network stack. That is a big part of why it’s able to monetize so well compared to competitors- it’s vertically integrated. We might also see it affecting things like it’s recent exclusivity deal with Reddit.

And that’s not even getting into the most exciting part of this decision- precedent. The reason so many people thought this case was weak in the first place has been decades of feckless anti-trust. This case is far more exciting for what comes ahead.

That said, there are things antitrust isn’t well suited to solve (it isn’t really intended to do anything about things like economies of scale- Google has a virtuous cycle where being the best means it has more access to data, which helps keep it the best, etc). But it’s still a win to get it to do what it’s supposed to, at least.

Anonymous Coward says:

Antitrust law is supposed to be about what is bad for consumers, not about chasing the attitude that “big=bad”.

Even if you accept the ridiculous assertion that changing the default search engine is hard (it takes a few seconds, and Google’s own search engine will tell you how to do it), the case still doesn’t seem to have found any harm to consumers. That should have been the end of it.

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