Saudi Arabia Imprisons An American Citizen For 16 Years Over Critical Tweets

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The Saudi government, led by crown prince Mohammed Bin Salman, doesn’t care to be criticized. It routinely punishes its own citizens for insulting the nation’s ruler. It occasionally murders and dismembers critics for refusing to be silenced. And now it’s prosecuting and imprisoning US citizens for exercising their First Amendment rights.

Last month, the Saudi government charged an American citizen currently residing in Saudi Arabia for “disrupting the public order” with social media posts criticizing the government’s handling of domestic matters like divorce and child custody. The US citizen, Carly Morris, was lured back to Saudi Arabia by her ex-husband, a Saudi citizen. Once there, her ex-husband basically kidnapped their daughter, converted her US citizenship to Saudi citizenship, and cut off all contact. Morris was free to leave, but she would have to leave her daughter behind despite a Saudi court granting her full custody. And now she’s possibly facing more than a decade in prison if the government decides to prosecute her.

What’s only theoretical (at this point) in Carly Morris’s case is the reality for US citizen Saad Ibrahim Almadi, a project manager who resides in Florida. Almadi isn’t an anti-Saudi activist. He’s just a regular guy who is understandably (and correctly) critical of the Saudi government and the crown prince. He just made the mistake of trying to visit his family in the country he had criticized a handful of times over the past several years. Here’s Josh Rogin, writing for the Washington Post.

Almadi is not a dissident or an activist; he is simply a project manager from Florida who decided to practice his right to free speech inside the United States. But last November, when he traveled to Riyadh to visit family, he was detained regarding 14 tweets posted on his account over the previous seven years. One of the cited tweets referenced Jamal Khashoggi, the Post contributing columnist who was murdered by Saudi agents in the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul in 2018. Other tweets criticized the Saudi government’s policies and the corruption in the Saudi system.

“He had what I would call mild opinions about the government,” his son Ibrahim told me. “They took him from the airport.”

Seems like nothing a crown prince or an oil-rich nation would feel too concerned about. But MBS and his government not only took offense, but also ran him through a rigged justice system that ensure the bullshit charges would stick and take more than a decade of freedom from a man who criticized a foreign government while on his own soil, utilizing his enshrined First Amendment rights.

The charges are indeed bullshit. And they’re even more bullshit than the usual bullshit found in laws that criminalize criticizing the government.

Almadi was charged with harboring a terrorist ideology, trying to destabilize the kingdom, as well as supporting and funding terrorism.

All of that from a handful of critical tweets sent out over a period of seven years. Not only did the Saudi government hit him with these charges, it also rung him up for not surrendering himself to authorities for posting “criminal” tweets.

He was also charged with failing to report terrorism, a charge related to tweets Ibrahim sent on a separate account.

On October 3, Almadi was sentenced to 16 years in prison. He also received a 16-year travel ban. This means Almadi possibly won’t leave prison until he’s 87. And then he has to wait another sixteen years before he can return to United States.

The State Department claims it’s playing hardball with MBS to get Almadi released. But it’s going to take far more than “intensively raising concerns” about Almadi’s imprisonment with senior Saudi officials. This is a government that murdered and dismembered a critic in its own foreign embassy building. And “moving through the process” to determine whether Almadi is actually “wrongfully detained” is a useless waste of time that signals to the Saudi government that it could easily get away with something like this again, although it may mean slightly altering the criminal charges to better meet the State Department’s standards for allowing foreign governments to imprison US citizens.

The Saudi government has nothing to fear from the US government. Former president Donald Trump parroted and amplified the Saudi government’s denials about its involvement in Khashoggi’s murder, helping bury the story to ensure his arms deals with the kingdom remained intact. And the only strong language directed at the Saudi government by President Biden has been over the kingdom’s refusal to keep oil prices low. It’s no wonder the State Department can’t offer anything more than a promise to occasionally complain about this extraterritorial punishment of a US citizen for tweeting government criticism from US soil — an act that broke no local laws and did not take place while Almadi was in a country where such statements are illegal.

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Rocky says:

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I always find it funny when people like you use TDS as some kind of insult. Trump is still alive and kicking all the while working on a repeat performance that if it comes true have a very big chance of turning the USA into fascist dictatorship or at least severely damage what little democracy the US has left.

Imagine if someone talked about Hitler and all the bad shit he did and some random nazi popped up saying that the person is suffering from HDS (Hitler Derangement Syndrome), people would laugh at the stupid little nazi, just like how we laugh at you now while thinking how bereft you are of any kind of original thoughts.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

If you wouldn't walk into North Korea after insulting their Dear Leader...

While I don’t want to victim blame because I doubt either of the people recently covered even considered these sorts of responses to their actions and words this is just hammering home something everyone should know by now: Stay out of countries run by gorram barbarians.

If you have an ex-husband that wants to see his daughter then have him come to you.

If you want to visit family then again, have them come to you.

If that’s not an option we’ve got this nifty thing called ‘the internet’ that allows communication and video to be sent from one country to the next.

With stories like this going to Saudi Arabia should be seen as going to bloody North Korea and for the same reason. Unless it is literally a life or death matter it shouldn’t even be on your mind as an option, and even then look for any alternative that doesn’t put you at the non-existent mercies of a openly corrupt system.

That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

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Or Twitter could stop demanding and storing data they don’t need that can be compromised in this fashion.
Perhaps limiting who has access to these records, an audit trail, asking why they were rummaging the records of a user…

My threat vector isn’t/wasn’t everyone else’s threat vector, but I still took steps to insulate my IRL from TAC and I wasn’t calling out The Kingdom which I know can be dicey.
I’ve had my own psychos/lawyers/feebs trying to find me and either I did things right or have the best dumb luck possible.

Pixelation says:

“And now it’s prosecuting and imprisoning US citizens for exercising their First Amendment rights.” Um, American citizen’s have no free speech rights in Saudi Arabia. As sucky as this situation is, our laws don’t travel with us. Go to Turkey and tell Erdogan how he looks just like Gollum, or go to China and wear a Winnie-the-Poo shirt and see what happens. Dictators with eggshell fragile egos love to imprison people, even if they are from other countries.

Strawb (profile) says:

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As sucky as this situation is, our laws don’t travel with us. Go to Turkey and tell Erdogan how he looks just like Gollum, or go to China and wear a Winnie-the-Poo shirt and see what happens.

Apples and oranges.

Almadi didn’t go to the country in question and start saying this stuff; he said it while in the US. A US citizen expressing opinions in the US falls under the US constitution, which is (partially) why it’s bullshit that SA is doing this.

That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

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BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAAHAHAAA…

“A US citizen expressing opinions in the US falls under the US constitution”

and any protections it offers US citizens ends at the maritime borders (or maybe 100 miles inland if your DHS).

Do you know how many people are in prison in Russia because they said something outside of Russia that pissed off Putin?

There is not a citizenship bubble that appears to protect you from the laws of other nations you might travel to. (unless you are a diplomat and even then sometimes…)

Russia kills people who say things that piss Putin off, no matter where they are in the world.
North Korea kills people who say things that piss Kim off, no matter where they are in the world.
Most of the other dictatorships are smart enough to only do things within their own borders.

Dictators have enough departments trolling the world looking for anyone who insults them and they put these people on watch lists.
When they turn up where a dictator can get them they do.

This isn’t the first person who ended up in prison in The Kingdom for saying something well outside of the country & on their return being scooped up. Some just disappear, others get trials.

MBS is using systems developed to track and catch terrorists to target people who say mean things about him or The Kingdom… (see also: shit Trump wishes he could have done)

The next person who wants to return home in The Kingdom will definitely think 3 times about saying anything that remotely might be seen as a slight… thus preserving the image of The Kingdom as if it was SOOO bad citizens would be speaking up and they are not.

Kevin McKenzie says:

Saudi Citizen

This was extensively discussed elsewhere, but the man in question is a dual Saudi/US Citizen, and Saudi Arabia doesn’t recognize dual citizenship. So your article really should be “Saudi Arabia arrests Saudi Arabian citizen over critical tweets.”

And I’m not defending Saudi Arabia here, but the person in question went somewhere the US State Department warns people, especially dual citizens, not to go. And since Saudi Arabia doesn’t recognize dual citizenship, the influence the US has here is minimal.

Anonymous Coward says:

The ease of travel these days has made our world feel smaller than ever, but we cannot forget that other countries may have drastically different laws that we may each be violating every day. Smoking weed, kissing in public, insulting a particular person or deity, there are oodles of things we don’t think twice about, but which break foreign laws. The only thing protecting us is jurisdiction.

It’s our responsibility to ensure that before traveling to a foreign country and entering their jurisdiction that we’re aware of their laws and whether we have broken any in the past that they still hold us accountable for.

PaulT (profile) says:

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Well, that’s one of the sillier takes I’ve seen on a subject in recent years. You think that the US passport was the problem in the case described there, not the large amount of drugs he was trying to smuggle in a country with harsh anti-drug laws? Why is Midnight Express more of an example of what happens to US citizens travelling abroad, as opposed to Before Sunrise, Lost In Translation or Roman Holiday?

LostInLoDOS (profile) says:

Well

I see comments about “victims” and how sad it is.
What is it about the modern world that makes people think laws don’t matter?
Somewhere along the way people suddenly stopped considering personal responsibility in these cases.

A basketball player flys to Russia with a criminal substance. Gets arrested, and goes to jail. She’s an idiot! A forgetful idiot, but an idiot.

A woman who divorced her aggressive abusive husband decides to fly back, with her daughter, to a country that has no women’s rights. And then posts illegal material on line.

This idiot made illegal posts and paid the price.

Actions have consequences. We need to stop pretending that these people are innocent. It creates a climate of disrespect for law.
The idea is changing laws (and suffering for breaking them) but when you violate the law you have none but yourself to blame.

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