Arizona Makes It Illegal To Record Cops From Less Than Eight Feet Away
from the is-that-8-cop-feet-or-8-civilian-feet? dept
Courts (with the rare exception) are in agreement: there’s a First Amendment right to film cops. With every citizen carrying a camera these days, there’s a lot more filming happening. And those recordings have often proven key when cops face criminal charges for violating rights or, you know, murdering people.
It’s little wonder cops aren’t thrilled about the recordings they can’t control. But that should be a cop problem that goes unresolved in the interest of improving accountability. Instead, the desire to curtail recordings by citizens has been taken up by legislators, who have created legislation that would criminalize this First Amendment activity if it takes place too close to cops.
One of the first such efforts was crafted by a Texas state representative, who wanted to create a 25-foot “no recording” halo around officers, ensuring the only “legal” recordings would be too far away from the action to undercut the police narrative.
Arizona legislators seem inordinately focused on violating First Amendment rights. A year after the Texas effort, a state legislator introduced a bill creating a 20-foot limit on recordings of police officers. The 2016 effort went nowhere, which should have discouraged legislators from introducing similarly stupid bills.
Instead, this encouraged state legislators. Following months of protests against police violence and the lack of accountability that allowed this violence to flourish, the same state rep (John Kavanaugh) who introduced the 2016 bill decided to try again. The only change was the length of the no recording distance, shrinking it from 20 feet to a mere 8 feet.
Because Arizona is a ass, the bill has received the governor’s approval and become law, as Lindsey Bever reports for the Washington Post.
A new Arizona law will make it illegal to film law enforcement encounters from closer than 8 feet away except in certain circumstances, such as when the person recording is the one being questioned by the authorities.
Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R) signed the bill into law on Wednesday, which will make it a misdemeanor offense to record police activity at close range after officers have issued a verbal warning.
Apparently not satisfied with talking sympathetic legislators into passing this constitutional mess of a bill, Rep. Kavanaugh also talked AZ Central into posting his op-ed in support of his own legislation back in March, where he made some truly ridiculous supporting statements.
Opponents of the bill also claim that the videotaping of some recent high-profile police use of force incidents would not be possible under my bill. They are incorrect.
The first citizen video to expose police brutality was the Rodney King video, which was filmed from more than 100 feet away and still picked up details sufficient to be useful in court. In the more recent incident involving Freddie Gray, the video camera is clearly 8 to 10 feet away from Mr. Gray and might even be farther away because the photographer could have been using the phone’s zoom setting.
Finally, the argument that filming from 8 feet away does not allow for a proper view of the scene is ridiculous.
Good lord. What an argument. The Rodney King beating may have been caught on tape but all officers involved in the beating were acquitted. Not exactly the sort of thing that says accountability can be had if people are forced to record from a certain distance away. The Freddie Gray example is even worse, as charges against five of the six officers failed to result in a conviction. The sixth officer’s court case ended in a mistrial.
The op-ed makes it clear Kavanaugh’s real aim to hinder police accountability activists.
I agreed to run this bill because there are groups hostile to the police that follow them around to videotape police incidents, and they get dangerously close to potentially violent encounters. The Tucson police officers who asked me to run this bill said that in their area some of these people videotape from 1 to 2 feet behind them, even when they’re arresting people.
People who come this close to police officers generally don’t do it during arrests or violent interactions. But they often are confrontational when speaking to officers, whether they approach officers or the officers approach them. Many engage in what they refer to as “First Amendment audits,” seeing what the officers’ reactions are to being filmed by critics standing mere feet from them.
This is an important thing to do. Any cop can respect rights when it’s easy to do so. People standing several feet away passively recording are rarely harassed. It’s when it’s difficult to respect rights that officers tend to start violating them. Creating an 8-foot space simply makes it easier for cops to respect rights because it doesn’t challenge their ability to do so under (mild) duress.
The problem with this law is the cops get to decide what 8 feet is. And they can turn legal recordings into illegal recordings by approaching the people filming them. Sure, the recorded evidence might get a few bogus charges tossed, but the overall effect will be to chill protected speech by letting citizens know their First Amendment rights are only valid until a cop says otherwise.
Filed Under: 1st amendment, arizona, john kavanaugh, recording police


Comments on “Arizona Makes It Illegal To Record Cops From Less Than Eight Feet Away”
Why do they need this protection?
I mean it doesn’t seem to matter a majority of the time when there is video clearly showing the cops murdering someone, no one ends up charged & if they do magically they get off.
Its not like the videos are stopping them from violating peoples rights, its not like it leads to any changes… so the only reason to do this is to lock up the FOP giving you a good soundbite at election time about how you are making sure the cops can “protect” citizens, without any video records, right into their graves.
One person’s eight feet will be another cop’s eight inches
They approach you back up and maintain the distance
Simple
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The 8ft rule is an invitation for as many cops as possible to turn to force the cameras as far away as possible.
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Give Them Some Space
The defense team turned the tables on the prosecution by using the video to their advantage. Exactly what was occurring on the video was never in question. Defense attorneys were able to justify police actions by showing that Mr. King was still attempting to stand up.
The medical examination determined that all life-threatening injuries sustained by Mr. Gray occurred during transport. Video from during the arrest could not have shown the injuries in question.
In other words: from both of these circumstances, a closer vantage point would not have resulted in a different trial outcome.
If the idiot Officer approaches someone filming them and begins to question them, the filmer falls into that exception of filming while being questioned and less than 8 feet away.
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But all of the people standing next to the person who are also recording are guilty of a crime. An officer can generate criminals whenever they want by walking up to a group and asking one person a question.
In another fun scenario, if a person with ubiquitous recording renders aid to an officer during an interaction, the person rendering aid is guilty of a crime.
what about car stops?
The legislation specifically authorizes filming by occupants of a vehicle during a car stop “as long the occupants are not interfering with lawful police actions.”
If a cop orders you to exit the vehicle and you’re within 8 feet, does that mean you have to stop filming?
Guess we’ll all need to carry 8′ pointy sticks to keep them at bay…
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Just need 8 foot selfie sticks – since the law forbids the person from being within 8 feet, but the camera presumably has no restrictions on distance or where it is.
Other laws already exist that cover interference with an officer carrying out their duties, whether holding a camera or not. This law is unnecessary.
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That’s the exact point that I was going to make.
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If this law were at all about preventing interference, there would have been no mention at all about recording.
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Ah but you see cops are the most fragile people in existence(or the most easily distracted), where merely pointing a camera lens at them causes intense physical and mental reactions that make their jobs infinitely more difficult with the effects increasing the closer the lens is, hence why it’s so vital to keep any cameras they don’t control at a distance.
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…hence why it’s so vital to keep any cameras they can’t switch off at a distance.
FTFY. 😉
So I guess this will outlaw security cameras in places cops are likely to frequent?
Does this mean Ring door cameras now how to shut off if a cop is detected (possibly within 8 feet)?
What about officers body cams? Does this mean officers now are legally prohibited to have their cams on when they are within 8 feet of an another officer talking to someone? (I’m sure they’d love that)
Sounds like all kinds of crazy.
I'm semi conflicted
Part of me thinks people should give cops room to work. Who want cameras in your face when you’re working, right? Add Danger and Firearms into the mix and it can get scary and uncomfortable doing your job.
The other part of me thinks this will get abused in many unintended ways. I Haven’t read the law, but there should be a lot of exemptions here. Time within proximity, parties’ activities, Environmental constraints.
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WTF?
And, there goes the entire purpose of the first amendment protecting the right to photograph public servants and cops.
No one can point to a case of cops actually being unable to do their jobs because, camera’s–no such cases exist.
And for the nearly mythical “rogue good cops” out there who do their jobs every day, there is no need to be concerned about cameras either–because they are not personality disordered bad cops chosen by bad police departments, and bad jurisdctions BECAUSE they are personality disordered criminals.
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And, there goes the entire purpose of the first amendment protecting the right to photograph public servants and cops.
I thought you were an expat, meaning that the 1st Amendment shouldn’t matter to you, lying troll.
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Inane gibberish from an inane troll. Neither is mutually exclusive, and I have stakes in many places, though not through your troll-vampire heart yet. Maybe others can help me flag you to troll death? Anyone?
Meanwhile, your garbage arguments are all transparent derailing:
— Ad Hominem. An ad hominem fallacy uses personal attacks rather than logic. …
— Straw Man. …
— Appeal to Ignorance. …
— False Dilemma/False Dichotomy. …
— Slippery Slope. …
— Circular Argument. …
— Hasty Generalization. …
— Red Herring. …
— Appeal to Hypocrisy. …
— Causal Fallacy. …
So, yeah–you are what any rational person will see you to be here–a coward, and a troll.
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Meanwhile, your garbage arguments are all transparent derailing:
— Ad Hominem. An ad hominem fallacy uses personal attacks rather than logic. …
— Straw Man. …
— Appeal to Ignorance. …
— False Dilemma/False Dichotomy. …
— Slippery Slope. …
— Circular Argument. …
— Hasty Generalization. …
— Red Herring. …
— Appeal to Hypocrisy. …
— Causal Fallacy. …
So, yeah–you are what any rational person will see you to be here–a coward, and a troll.
That’s right. All anyone has to do to see the above fallacies is Google “DBA Phillip Cross”, proving that the rest of what you said is also true of you.
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[Citation Needed]
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There’s more than enough citation in every one of your “comments” on this site. All anybody has to do is Google both names together, with yours in quotation marks.
Re: Re: Re:5
Well–you AC mother-fuckers used to ask for citations. Not so much now that we know who “you” are, ay?
Still laughing about “Ukrainian Nazi’s,” lol. In Hong Kong, nonetheless, lol.
Nazi’s are and always were a British-Israel-Jewish shitshow.
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Thank uou for accurately labeling the contents of your comments for us, at the very least.
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Wel, yeah– you:
Please–for all of the specators– clarify that word salad? But these ne-line quips are beneath examination–you have stated basically NOTHING, so, there’s that.
Let’s try again, shall we?
THAT is actual democracy, you police union fob. After that, you lost me at “police union watch fob, DBA Toom-something -or-other.”
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Nobody really thinks this law is about preventing interference, even though that’s the pretext given as justification. It’s about stopping recordings.
If being within 8 feet of a police officer causes interference, then it doesn’t matter whether any recording is occurring, no law specific to cameras is needed, and the existing interference law applies. Similarly, if I can stand 4 feet away empty-handed and not be interfering, I can also be 4 feet away with a camera and not be interfering, and then the existing interference law applies.
Or to put it more simply, this law creates the crime of “possession of a camera with intent to film”
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Um, you do know the explanation wasn’t actually required, right? Phillip was being disingenuous, as all trolls are when on the attack.
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Re: Re: Re:6
Look at your arrogance–trying to speak for others. One sick case you are.
Unlike yourself, I am capable of holding my own in conversation. You JTRIG/ADL-hasbara/NGO/.mil/spergpersonaor AI unspecified OTOH merely derail, via your well known tactics stated above.
Re: Re: Re:7
Every accusation a projection-filled confession.
Re: Re: Re:8
“Can’t we all just put our differences aside and fuck? “
Seriously, these back and forth a are quite long. It’s abundantly clear you can’t agree. Why the constant head bashing? It’s rather pointless!
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I wish it were that simple–but this AC specifically targets my posts with every classic troll ploy, and ZERO input of any substance ever.
I wish you could just IP ban it–this troll targets and attacks my posts over years of posting–and it is specifically one troll here, with others at its beck and call. The IP logs will demonstrate that.
So, letting its type win these battles of censorship-by-proxy is a loss for democracy–and as I pointed out to Catress, this thing is destroying western dialectics, by design of its deployment.
I am willing to tone it down, but seriously–it needs to be flagged as hard as Thing1 and Thing2 and their accessory trolls are hitting my posts too. They contribute ONLY derailment and conflict.
I at least try to follow the rules of discourse, and attempt to contribute knowledge–they don’t like the knowledge I attempt to contribute–all they contribute is the GIFT of endless derailment, aka The Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory shows them for what THEY are , here.
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Each such flagged comment indicates thasat my thesis is correct– ADL-spergers flag criticism of ADL racists.
It’s a win-win, on my end.
Re: Re: Re:9
You never faced off against a CCP-aligned asshole before?
Their entire MO is to shit up the place enough to drive off users. Or worse.
Some of them even get paid to spray this drivel.
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I am pretty sure I am doing that here, right now. With Thing1 and Thing2.
On the surface, USA defending jingoism, the usual troll playbook–but on the other, the net effect is exactly as you stated-shitting up the thread.
In fairness–all intel OPs do the exact same thing. So, for example:
ADL-hasbara feigns British right wing stance on left wing board, just to create arg’s with well known left wing posters who have no idea they are being webterrogated, and don’t know enough to plant bullshit into their statements so as to dirty up the dossier.
And all of THAT so that they can then sell that dossier to Russians, Saudi’s, etc.
Iran always gives itself away with their student union b.s. though–still haven’t fixed their Croatian IP problem, etc.
But they ALL follow the exact playbook–these two AC’s are good cop bad cop, fedposters, not CCP at all.
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Yes, you are the one doing that here.
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*I am pretty sure I am doing that here, right now. *
We know. We’ve all seen where you’ve posted as an AC and replied to yourself under your own name.
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Considering that imitation is the best flattery as you post in my nym–you have yet to see me commenting as one of you 1/10th less than human corpses, nor imitating your style.
Its an eye pener–you fakespergers online. All ADL-etc.
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Thing 1 and Thing 2 work in tandem, as we see above here yet again. Coordinated trolling efforts.
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BTW, if that’s a job offer, you have my IP and other contact data–and I have some folks who could use employment on both sides of the infowars 😉
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The PRC has only as many sides as it has political parties, but thanks for the non-offer.
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The ADL-spergberger-hasbara trollfsarms are also quite a toxic disease. Your own, quite pernicious.
Maybe kill them at the switch (and yourself with it), so that democracy and open discourse can happen.
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Every projection, your own confession, here.
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If this law were at all about preventing interference, there would have been no mention at all about recording.
If the above seems like a word salad to you, that’s a you problem. Don’t pick on others for the results of your illiteracy.
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Also
too! toom!
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So you’re saying exemptions to the law are bad?
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Yes, I am saying that. Cops turn every exemption into an exception for their own bad behavior–US cops are sociopaths, and trained to be even more-so via Israelification and militarization.
As for whatever reason cops would cite as the need for exemptions, laws are already on the books that cover those things–breach of peace, assault, interference laws are everywhere protecting cops.
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Trolls turn every situation into an opportunity for their bad behavior, such as spreading lies about “Israelification”…
We knpw you do. *yawns*
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I assure you this can ALL be solved if
a) we give women the right to abortion, whereby,
b) they don’t fucking use it, whereby,
c) th state can then entrqqp men into a two-tiered society of quasi slavery, aka the “child support system,” whereby
d) women who had abortion rights, but instead opted for “easy state money, via welfare and workfare” “got ahead” of the boys, whereby
e) Roe v. Wade was overturned once such fraud was exposed, whereby,
f)here we fucking are–boys who “should have put a bag on ity” and STILL no decent male birth control options v. stupid girls who opted for state money, Catholics for the WINNNNNNNN!!!!!
Meanwhile, all of those disenfranchised fathers out there, recording cops are all the bad guys who should look elsewhwere for the win, which they will NEVER get under such a structure.
ARIZONA-and-Soon-To-Be-USA, because of that.
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You show such a lack of understanding of anything in your illiterate, wall of text rant and then have the audacity to call others trolls? 😂 😂 😂
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Right, maybe a world full of your one liner AC hate mail–the kind that you AC’s shitpost into the tens of millions of non-contributing quips would be the start of a New Word Order.
Control language, you control the masses–as the fascist police personality tries to do.
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Right, maybe a world full of your one liner AC hate mail–the kind that you AC’s shitpost into the tens of millions of non-contributing quips would be the start of a New Word Order.
Every accusation a confession. Or, to put it in your words: Thanks, Amber!
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Oh, look what the dog dragged in to my inbox!
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Why would I be interested in the emails you send from one of your accounts to the other in your thinly-veiled pretence that you have an actual life IRL?
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Re: Re: Re:4
Um.timing attacks, mebbe? Cross-scriptng fishing expeditions? Or just some other US-FVEY’s trolling shit? You are what you are. And none of it is good.
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Here you go again. Seems like your new one’s about to burn out even though you only purchased it the other day.
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Well wherever you go, there YOU are.
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And now you’re advocating gun violence. So much for your claims that everyone else is a troll picking on you.
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Re: Re: Re:8
In your case, whatever will make you disappear–you serve no other purpose here. Zero contributions other than trolling by definition–and your own admission, too.
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Imitation, the sincerest form of flattery indeed!
Let me return the honor!
— Ad Hominem. An ad hominem fallacy uses personal attacks rather than logic. …
— Straw Man. …
— Appeal to Ignorance. …
— False Dilemma/False Dichotomy. …
— Slippery Slope. …
— Circular Argument. …
— Hasty Generalization. …
— Red Herring. …
— Appeal to Hypocrisy. …
— Causal Fallacy. …
H/t
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Those are your fallacies, actually, as you’ve already amply demonstrated.
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Thanks, Amber!!
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Every accusation a confession.
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DBA Phillip Cross and his sockpuppets are most likely CCP trolls.
His ENTIRE modus operandi is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt.
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[Citation Needed]
And: “lying and derailing” for the loss–rational people now see you for what you are, an internet stalker, harasser, and troll.
Quit looking there!…nothing from your .mil/JTRIG/NGO/hasbara/ADL/trollfarm unspecified manual will have any evidence of your claims as usual, so pick up a real book onceinawhile.
Stalker, liar, and troll is not a good look.
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[Citation needed]
Actually, all that’s needed is to search your name. Best change it again before people do that.
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Riiiiigt. See how this works? You
Me, searching you:
This
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Since I don’t post under a name, you can only have searched under your own, just as I suggested.
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I welcome that, actually.
“DBA Phillip Cross” is an excellent search term, dontchathink? That other guy from your troll farm is the real deal: an actual ADL-hasbara/establishment/British-Israel-JTRIG rat.
And, eager searchers might also find this list of spergpersonator confessions interesting too. Note that I am not on the list.
So, you and your pal’s Alana Boltwood, and all of these other GIFT’s with PIU disordered minds are clearly the same Dark-sider trollfarm.
The only question is, whose payroll are you on? As there is no unified fascist party that I am aware of, I can only assume you work for the New Word Order and its desire to pwnz the entire internet.
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“DBA Phillip Cross” is an excellent search term, dontchathink? That other guy from my troll farm, ROGS (the one I’m a sockpuppet of), is also the real deal: an actual ADL-hasbara/establishment/British-Israel-JTRIG rat.
FTFY. YW. BTW, what is your obsession with people pretending to be autistic? Is it because that’s something you tried and failed at in the past, making you jealous of people who’ve never tried to be anything other than what they are?
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That’s what military/NGO/ADL-hasbara trolls do–it’s classic PSYOP and part of the training in any military influence campaign. Trollfarms routinely deploy fake mental illness claims to win the internet
See below for evidence of that. And, it always starts when the lead AC comes behind my posts with typical ADL-hasbara type slander and defamation.
For the record? The OG Phillip Cross also claimed Asperger’s as he stalked and harassed anti-war protesters and dissidents online too–and no MI issue gives anyone the right to harass others online, or off.
But oh, look! The original AC has mustered the entire troll army here now, how predictable. How typical JTRIG.
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Again, please quit it with the Asperger’s thing. It’s still irrelevant.
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Dude, stop bringing Asperger’s—impersonating or not—into this. Also the conspiracy theories about people here being on some sort of government payroll. Not to mention all the other crap that has no relevance to anything at all. It’s all ridiculous and—frankly—annoying.
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Could you and your little anonymous buddy go spam up some other website? You are both irritating.
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And now here’s super Cattress jumping to it’s spergpersonator AC buddies defense. Good luck together!
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I believe Cattress was expressing annoyance with both you and the AC, not defending the AC. Specifically here:
(emphasis added) And I’m inclined to agree. This is whole back-and-forth between you two is basically just mudslinging that adds nothing of value to the discussion.
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You are an actual Fedposter. I have your data.
So, wutever. Try another behavior modification script–go ahead, its in that playbook there in front of you.
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You are an actual Fedposter.
No he’s not.
I have your data.
I very much doubt that.
Re: Re: Re:6 Really more pathetic than bad
You aren’t just a liar. You are a bad liar.
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Thanks for that welcome criticism, and I apologize for the spamminess that is caused by TD refusing to IP ban that AC. But that is the AC’s stated goal–classic trolling by each and every metric, zero substantive input.
It all started because the AC trollfarm was calling me a commie–despite the fact that arch-neocons in the west are recognizing their failure as a society, and even Tony Blair is signalling the collapse of western civilization BECAUSE of these types of trolls being too stupid to do anything but troll, and cause division.
Unfortunately–and I ask you to watch closely in the near future–watch as I post, and then, this noxious AC troll follows behind everything I write, smearing me in classic troll fashion. This particular troll is distinctly hasbara, but it enlists others from other trollfarms too.
I ask your help in flagging it off the forum, because TD mods have so far refused to IP ban it. And this AC is an admitted troll mind you.
So, I write, it stalks and slanders. But it always starts it first.
Me staying silent–and frankly, you asking me to remain silent–is eerily similar to asking other victims of abuse to remain silent, or keep their problems to themselves, or maybe take a look at what you did to deserve it, and so on. I have gone through this since the anti-sex worker/war on peace protesters/war on “terror” etc. days of the early aughts, and it has only amplified into now–it’s a problem that does not go away, and will not go away until active measures are taken against these types of actual trollfarms.
This is the essence of the free speech in the west debate: how these AC/.mil/JTRIG/ADL-hasbara/NGO-agency fake-spergers deliberately toxify speech online, and then cause various forms of censorship-by-proxy.That’s my ENTIRE argument, and I apologize that you have to read through this troll armies garbage.
It’s how they silenced #BDS, it’s how they silenced the fact that Israel is arming and training Ukraine Nazi’s, and why the Pentagon’s bioweapons labs story was buried too– and it’s why Roe was overturned–these neocon troll farms divide and conquer exactly this way. This is it, in action.
So–yeah,, maybe flag it away like the cockroach that it is, but I will always re-spawn. I actually stand for something, it/they do not. They are the cancer at the internet switch, and the gag on the first amendment too.
Again–sorry, but even arch-globalist and GWBush ally Tony Blair echoes my own sentiments ( I never thought I would side with Blair on anything)–but these AC trolls are deliberately hacking democracy because of their cray cray political divisiveness–no common ground can be had or found when these AC’s and their Two Cents Worth armies show up anywhere.
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Son you have a form of schizophrenia and the paranoia that comes from that. I suggest you seek mental help. Failing that do try to be slightly more creative than “the Jews did it.”
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Confused now
\O/are you Thing 1 or Thing 2? Regardless, both of you are Fedposter wannabe’s or something damn close–IT fanboyz infected by Infragard logical fallacies, a cesspool ofI mean–aggressive online trolls seem to have won the day here, haven’t they?
I have tried many times to simply discourse, ply, cajole, encourage, or otherwise squeeze some humanity out of you, to no avail–wall of AC’s always gets in the way, because your AC handler of course–the AC with the hatred of Palestinians, and any mention of Israelification, #BDS, or its own racism. To whit, blaming Jews for its trolling:
I have clearly and consistently implicated the Abrahamic Trifecta of toxic New Word Order types without fail, and their censorship-by-proxy–whoever “they” may be on that day–rabid racists, Zionists, various christian NGO’s and cults who have infiltrated Silicon Valley–Ukrainian Nazi’s ferchristssake!–all useful idiots for the most part.
But all are united in censorship by proxy.
So, your fearless Troller-In-Chief, a regular guest here on the Techdirt Show (a racist, tribal, ADL-hasbarat, nonetheless) wants an exception for its own hatred and racism–go figure. Freemasonry FTW! Or not, don’t hurt your brain–it will endlessly end this way:
And this
TD so secular!!!
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…no common ground can be had or found when these AC’s and their Two Cents Worth armies show up anywhere.
Funny, all the reports say you’re paid 50 cents per post. You should talk to your Chinese paymasters to find out why you’re being so badly underpaid.
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Funny, all my reports say that you died by infanticide in your mothers basement, seconds after Tony Blair announced that his weird hat reeked of Freemason scumbags, and abortions that should have been had–I think he mentioned YOU by name–regardless of which you were sadly evasive, and for some reason only known by SATAN are still here.
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Re: Re: Re:3 Mods? Please check the impersonation of my nym in that other reply to Catress?
Cattress–I apologize for this
I didn’t write it–its an insider/impersonator from TD’s un-flaggable mob-squad. My actual reply to you is caught somewhere in mod-land, and replaced with that somehow. Be patient.
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Nope, that definitely sounds like you.
Re: Re: Re:3
Please understand that they are impersonating me and using my nym right now–look above, check the logs.
I didn’t post that–do you see now? This is how JTRIG-spergpersonators-B’Nai B’rith wins. Mods simply do not know they are doing this.
But you, here, now, have a chance to reveal it.
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And: “lying and derailing” for the loss–rational people now see you for what you are, an internet stalker, harasser, and troll.
True, we do recognize you in that description.
Stalker, liar, and troll is not a good look.
So why do you engage in those behaviors?
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Oh honey, you would first have to find a women willing to have sex with you before you need to worry about the rest of that stuff.
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Not true. The only way he’d get sex with someone involves a lack of consent. 😉
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Re: Re: Re: ‘Alana’s Involuntary Celibacy Project’ and the internet incel troll PSYOP
Ah, projecting facts not in evidence! And, just projecting–you are exhibiting PIU, maybe get that checked out.
SO, perhaps that whole consent thingy in the US-FVEY’s is problematic due to its contractual nature–women as state or church property–last I checked you need to sign, like a six-hundred-and-sixty-six page contract to get to third base or s/th.
Which is why I opted out of such a demented, religion-infused monstrosity of a culture. Non-Jewish-christian cultures don’t have these problems. Consent is implied by the raw meaning of the term, personal contracts are honored, and none of that women as herd animals, and objects of state and church manipulation.
You people are a mes. All sexually repressed devils. Malcolm X got the name right.
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*Ah, projecting facts not in evidence! *
True, you do always do that. Anything else unhelpful to add?
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Re: Re: Re:3
In well over ten years of watching what you AC’s do here? The US constitution was shredded, and now, Roe v. Wade too. We know what you are, and we know what you do.
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In well over ten years of watching what you AC’s do here?
But we all know that’s not true, since you already admitted to spending every waking moment over five years dedicated to spamming Wikipedia.
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Re: Re: Re:5
Stupid troll be stupid troll.
Re: Re: Re:6
That’s the third time you’ve posted that list of your offenses, and it’s not any less boring than the first two.
Re: Re: Re:5
Maybe–like you on Pornhub, or those Moldovan websites, with the terrorized Ukrainian kids. “Democracy et Israeli-dual-citizen-Oligarch!!!”Its a bad look, AC spergberger.
Re: Re: Re:4
Cool story bro.
Re: Re: Re:2 Probably should have put a trigger warning on my comment
Damn that one hit pretty close to home eh?
Re: Re: Re:3
I don’t know. You’re in a much better position to answer that than any of us, Phillip, you lying hypocrite.
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I still see you, with a pound of warm hamburger, and an egg, in a bag, for some reason. My memorie of you doing that seem to be implanted, but I await evidence.
Meanwhile, yeah, you, an egg, a POUND OF HAMBURGER AND…. god save the queen!
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Meanwhile, yeah, me, an egg, a POUND OF HAMBURGER AND…
What Godforsaken sexual fantasy have you come up with now?
…god save the queen!
Which queen? Britain’s or Denmark’s?
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Re: Re: Re:3
Queen LaTifah?
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Well, at least she’s a more appropriate subject of your sexual fantasies than your dead mother.
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Or, just get a dog, like you have there. But….eeeeeew.
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You’d know more about that than me, wouldn’t you?
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Re: Re: Re:2
Maybe. Does that bother you? But I won’t publish your photographs in flagrante delicto with said dog, ok? At least for now.
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But I won’t publish your photographs in flagrante delicto with said dog, ok?
A: Bestiality’s your thing, as you’ve already projected.
B: There are no images of my sexual activity online because;
C: Neither I nor my partners have ever produced any.
But you go ahead and publish whatever it is you think you’ve got because if it is sexual, it won’t be me at the prosecutor’s table in court.
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Obviously–you have less than the skills of the average troll, much less acumen with the law.
Oh noooes! internet AC troll gonna be suin’ folks!LOL. I would love to see THAT lawsuit, published here, highlighting your trolling, stalking, bullying, and other harassment.
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Obviously–you have less than the skills of the average troll, much less acumen with the law.
Every accusation a confession. If you hack someone’s computer or device to get images to distribute online, that’s a violation of the CFAA, a Federal offense, not a civil matter.
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Re: Re: Re:6
You are like a city dump: garbage in, garbage in.
Re: Re: Re:7
Projected the hypocritical troll.
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Re: Re: Re:8
Thanks, Amber! (FTW!)
— Ad Hominem.
— Straw Man. …
— Appeal to Ignorance. …
— False Dilemma/False Dichotomy. …
— Slippery Slope. …
— Circular Argument. …
— Hasty Generalization. …
— Red Herring. …
— Appeal to Hypocrisy. …
— Causal Fallacy. …
Re: Re: Re:9
Look, we all know what you’re guilty of here, so there’s no need to keep posting a list of your offenses ad nauseum.
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Re: Re: Re:8
Garbage in, more garbage in–then!–even more garbage IN!
Re: Re: Re:9
Yes, we get it. You’re Regal Garbage Dump. Anything else you want to incelsplain to us?
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Honey is a diminutive–why do you seek power here? Oh, right:
and this
Is that the scope and depth of your concern–my (f@cking INCREDIBLE!!!) sex life, outside of the US-FVEY’s theocracies?
Seriously–get a life.
Oh, never mind, AI bots cannot have life as we know it, sorry if that hurts your AI BOT feelz!
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AI bots cannot have life as we know it…
If you sincerely believe that, then give up trying.
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You have a problem getting laid, don’t you?
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No, actually–where I live, “getting laid” is easy–cheaper than a meal for two, and quicker than a conversation with–hold on….one, two, three, four…..an army of AC commenters (who are all the same FVEY-Israeli hasbara trollfarm) and you.
I am literally surrounded by beautiful, available women (and a few guise) as I write this. So–exactly why does my (incredible) sex life concern you-all, anyways, you putz–ah, that’s the answer your impotence brought on by the clip, clip.? And the founder of the Incel Movement, Alana Boltwood, and her Canadian Mental Health-Bronfman Crime Family-Big Pharma cabal, of course.
‘Merican’s and their Velvet Mafia, and neocon Pal’s in the FVEY’s so perverted, strangling all-the-boys-sex-drives there. Meanwhile literally ANYWHERE ELSE in the world, sex is goo-ud!
Russia, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Lithuania, China, Cuba–literally ANYWHERE but in the “freedum luvin’ FVEY’s and its satellites, sex is celebrated as a natural, wonderful thing–a part of living. Not so true in your nations of constant war and death.
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…where I live, “getting laid” is easy–cheaper than a meal for two, and quicker than a conversation…
Then why haven’t you gotten laid yet, incel troll?
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Odd obsession you have with that term–why is that exactly, Alana?
You Dark Triad’ers so hung up. Maybe get active in some other propaganda shithole–the Alana thingy is so 2021.
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What’s even odder is your obsession with being an incel. All you’ve got to do is fix your attitude and the way you treat others, then you can get laid no problem. As it is, no one can even be paid enough money to have sex with you.
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Is that you, Sister Mary of the Sacred Hole’s? gee if only…if only…
Me, on my knees now, praying for an egg, OE, and some Jimmy Dean Pure Pork Sauasages to go with this Virgin Mary toast.
Oh, never mind–look where all the sausages went!?
(AC checks its bunghole.)
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No thanks. As I’ve said before, I don’t know where your asshole’s been.
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Re: Re: Re:6
Well, at least an asshole-focused asshole like you has asshole etiquette. That will go a long way towards your later asshole-focused asshole health record as the Asshole Monitor n Chief, via Asshole Readings, Asshole Tracking, and A-rated on the Asshole scale of assholes.
Wow. I bet assholes ENVY you, and your glorious work! You win the prize! The prize?
ASSHOLE
WheeeeHeew. Sane people DO NOT WANT THAT!
Bu you….
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Well, at least an asshole-focused asshole like you has asshole etiquette.
Careful, you don’t want to have to buy a third projector so soon. You’ll be getting second-hand ones from eBay if you carry this on.
Re: Re: Re:6
Well, just look in proximity to this comment–I actually have two assholes, and they follow my posts closer than stink on shit. Fedposters be like that.
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I actually have two assholes…
We know, one where you’d expect it and the other on your face, spewing shit.
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Took your advice tonight, Alana, and guess what popped up? LOL…then I thought of your face–meaty jowels, weak chin, those sneaky eyes….there’s a reason you post as AC, isn’t there, meat bag?
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Is that what you see when you look in the mirror? Wow, no wonder you’re an incel! So on top of fixing your attitude and treatment of others, you should invest in cosmetic surgery too.
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Re: Re: Re:6
EXACTLY, FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a look at the darling of the incel “movement.” The “creaator” of the incel “movement,” right???!
Oooops! Creating the incel “movement,” “by accident,”and then, later, targeting young boys with PSYOP online, and then, sitting on the board of Mental Health Canada, was purely a coincidence–Alana Boltwood of Mental Health Canada, and her Bronfman syndicate pals are so non-nefarious!!!LOL.
Yeah, I know, right? Mirrors! MKULTRA!!PSYOP!!!!!!!
Run for your life from these exact devils–theses devils are real indeed.
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EXACTLY, FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least you admitted the truth about something for once in your otherwise worthless life.
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Re: Re: Re:6
Right. My doctor says its not normal to have two assholes. I am considering my options for removing at least one of them.
Re: Re: Re:7
The one on your face spewing shit is the one you don’t need, trust me.
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Re: Re: Re:4
OK, PUA, lay it out for me–I am sure your glorious history of conquests will be like
[Power Outage]
Re: Re: Re:5
I wouldn’t know what the power’s like in East Asia since I’m not a traitor like you, and you only get centerfolds in magazines, which come in handy during a hurricane.
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Sure you are.
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Re: Re: Re:2
Sure you are NOT;-)
Re: Re: Re:3
As I’ve said before, you talking to yourself is boring. Nevertheless, it’s good that you admitted to lying again, no matter how obvious the lie was.
Re: Re: Re: Dance incel dance
Usually watching a mental health breakdown isn’t this entertaining.
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Re: Re: Re:2
Well, there you have it then–entertainment as spectacle–you hit the Gregory Bateson Schismogenesis BINGO!
Re: Re: Re:3 strictly for my amusement
Keep dancing incel!
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On yr grave,iey-I wiven piss on it, for the sake of the dead gass,kiled by the noxious hatred that will emanate frm your rotting corpse.
And,even the grass will be infected by your schismogenetic emanations, no doubt.
You–PIU, stink.
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How is any of this relevant to this article or anything anyone is saying in the comments? What does abortion have to do with any of this?
'Clearly' not
In the more recent incident involving Freddie Gray, the video camera is clearly 8 to 10 feet away from Mr. Gray and might even be farther away because the photographer could have been using the phone’s zoom setting.
That’s a range of two feet followed by musing that it might be even farther away, and when a foot can be the difference between violating the law and not using an example like that if anything just shows how easy the law will be to abuse and break.
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I wouldn’t bother explaining anything to that troll. He’s so happy to twist your words around it might be more productive to just flag him instead.
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I wouldn’t bother explaining anything to these Anonymous Coward trolls. They just twist your words around, and derail forum comments here, so it might be more productive to just flag them all instead.
FTFY
Rarely Harassed?
“People standing several feet away passively recording are rarely harassed.”
I wouldn’t be so sure as long as cases like this keep turning up.. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/victory-another-court-protects-right-record-police
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TBH, the assertion is effectively true. After all, arrest, assault, and murder just for engaging in First Amendment rights are quite a bit more serious than mere harassment.
Absurd law. If you have a right to be on a certain spot, you should have the right to use a camera to record what you see on that spot. So police in Arizona is going to back up people recording with cameras 8 feets away from a police scene while leaving the no-camera people within 8 feets alone? What are the police hiding?
Zoom
No. not the teleconferencing program. A feature on almost all cell-phone cameras.
Fine, you can’t stand within 8 feet of a cop and record him. I’m sure zooming in by a factor of say 1.2 from 9 feet away will get enough detail to either convict or exonerate the cop(s) in question.
Heck, zooming in by a larger factor from 25 feet out will probably work, too.
Not that these laws should not be overturned as violations of the First Amendment. Just a reminder in the meantime.
Cell phones
There isn’t a current phone on the market that won’t give you crystal clear video at 20 feet let alone 8.
I think this is a bit of an overreaction to a plan to keep people from getting in the way Floyd was more than 8 feet. Didn’t that set off a whole banter?
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Question: How is a cop supposed to tell the difference between 8 feet and 8 feet 4 inches on the spot? How is the person filming supposed to know? What if the person being stopped is the one filming? What if the cop approaches the person filming rather than the other way around?
This just seems like it could be easily abused.
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Actually, the idea is to stop people getting close enough that the police can’t completely surround a person so the only evidence of their murders of people in custody is on their “malfunctioning” body cams.
Not again…
As pointed out here regarding a similar bill proposed in Texas several years ago (which—thankfully—did not actually pass), one of the biggest problems with these sorts of bills is that, if you’re being beaten by a cop, then you could be prosecuted for filming the cop beating you. In what universe does that seem fair?
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One that considers the feelings and employability of police to have vastly more importance than the health or lives of anyone else.
Some random person gets beat by a cop? Meh, probably had it coming since The Police Are Never Wrong.
Cop faces public pressure, potentially even the dreaded legal consequences for beating said random person? Horror of horrors, what madness is this that would foist consequences on police officers?!
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This law exempts the person being beaten/killed/interrogated/spoken to/interacted with by the police. There are other problems with the law but that doesn’t seem to be one of them.
I resent all of these AC trolls coopting my purposes! It’s why the Nazi’s actually won, silly–Klaus Schwab, et al.