School Asks Cops To Stop Using Stun Gloves On Its Students
from the today-in-what-the-everloving-fuck dept
Compliant Technologies probably would have preferred to keep flying under the radar. But a gaudy new no-bid contract with ICE (worth up to $20 million!) made it impossible.
Prior to ICE’s big purchase, it may as well have never existed. It only had a few clients, and those few clients purchased a few pairs for prison guards and jail staffers. That’s the sort of thing that kind of makes sense. Controlling inmates in enclosed spaces requires a bit more finesse than just beating them with batons.
Given the increased chance of losing control of a “compliance” option, turning gloves into quasi-stun guns made it easier to deploy force while simultaneously reducing the probability of losing a baton/Taser/OC canister to an inmate who’s stronger and faster than the average prison guard (i.e., most of them).
But ICE decided it wanted even more force to deploy, even though deploying force (a lot of it “excessive”) is basically all ICE does. Under-trained officers tend to underperform in the field, especially when they’re asked to do something more than seize the occasional website or find illegal substances hidden in cargo containers.
Here comes the shocker. Not only did a cop shop give officers some stun G.L.O.V.E.s (Generated Low Output Voltage Emitters), but it allowed them to deploy them in Omaha, Nebraska schools. With the G.L.O.V.E. backlash now fully engaged due to ICE’s interest in inflicting further unnecessary pain, an Omaha school district is “asking” cops not to use these gloves.
And the best thing we can say about this development is that the cops have actually agreed to stop glove-stunning students, without engaging in too much extracurricular bitching:
Omaha police agreed this week to stop carrying gloves that can deliver electric shocks to students in the halls of Nebraska’s largest public school district.
The Omaha mayor and police chief said in a joint statement Monday that the gloves were used twice in the last school year, including in a program for students with learning deficits.
Reread that last sentence a few more times. That’s extremely disturbing. While officers claim to have only used them “twice,” it did deploy them at least once to stun “students with learning deficits.”
And I only said there was a minimum of bitching by the cops. There was still some bitching, which arrived in the form of belated justification for stun-tech I can almost guarantee no parent was aware school resource officers (a fancy phrase for “school cop”) had access to, much less using on students.
“We believe it is the safest use-of-force option in the rare times when it is used,” the statement said.
“Safest?” As compared to what?!?! At what point do you decide a school discipline issue necessitates an ambush with literal shock tactics? Is this safer than NOT FUCKING DOING THIS AT ALL? I’m not an expert in “low voltage emissions” but I would like to believe any option that is less violent than stunning a student into submission is actually safer than any option that involves incapacitating someone with an electric shock.
What’s wild is that the school district actually had to make this request and then hope the cops would comply. And they had to hold onto this hope despite there being significant pushback from the community these cops are supposed to be serving. That it took the cops an entire day to simply agree to use the multiple violent force options they already have available to them doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence.
Destroying this minimal amount of confidence is the fact that this “agreement” (which hasn’t been made official) only extends to the Omaha PD. For some fucking reason, a bunch of Omaha-area cops “serving” Omaha schools apparently also have these gloves and aren’t promising to change a damn thing about how they handle policing schools.
However, the suburban Bellevue police department that patrols two Omaha schools and the large Bellevue district said its officers will continue carrying the gloves. Three other large school districts in the metro area that have Omaha school resource officers assigned to their buildings have not taken action to stop police from using the devices.
This agency saw the backlash and the semi-capitulation of the city’s largest law enforcement agency and then… did absolutely nothing. As far as the Bellevue PD is concerned, it’s still open season on students when it comes to SROs (school resource officers) and their stun gloves.
The schools in that district appear to be led by people who will never take issue with anything cops might do. Nothing to see here, says the district spokesperson, whose statement sounds like something delivered by someone who developed Stockholm Syndrome while undergoing a lobotomy:
Bellevue schools spokeswoman Amanda Oliver said the district has a great relationship with Bellevue police and doesn’t see a need to alter anything.
Oh, I’m sure the district has a “great relationship” with the cops. But we’re not worried about the administrators. We’re worried about the kids, who are the ones who will be subjected to violent force, including these novel stun gloves the kids at ICE keep talking about. And the Bellevue PD has used them just as often on students as the Omaha PD. And even though it was only “two” instances, the Omaha PD was at least willing to swear off using this tech in schools.
Meanwhile, in Bellevue, it’s apparently business as usual, even though no one (other than the PD and this weirdly cheery PR person) wants cops to have this option when patrolling schools.
At last week’s school board meeting, about 30 people spoke out against police using the gloves. Residents and board members alike said they were appalled at the practice. No one spoke in favor of it.
No one except the people who will never be subjected to the stun gloves, which the company helpfully points out won’t leave evidence “burn or contact marks” on the minors subjected to them. Bellevue schools — via its PR flack — said everything is fine. The chief of the Bellevue PD, Ken Clary, similarly claims to have a healthy relationship with the G.L.O.V.E.
“I am not comfortable having our officers give up a tool that has repeatedly proven to be safe, effective, and less harmful than the alternatives,” Clary said in a statement.
Again: as compared to what? You can’t just say this option is better than others without providing any evidence to support this statement. I mean, you can, but you shouldn’t expect anyone to believe you. This just sounds like a top cop claiming each new force option is more “effective” and “safer” than whatever the department is already using. Adding yet another option is never viewed as adding to the excess. It’s just folded in with everything else and glossed over in public statements until the public’s attention is focused elsewhere.
There’s no reason for ICE to have these gloves. Officers already have tons of force options, as well as the full permission/judicial immunity to use whatever option they feel will inflict the most pain at any given point. The G.L.O.V.E. may have started out as a prison option, but now it’s clear cops want this option whenever they’re dealing with… shall we say… captive audiences. And the defenders of this tech are making it clear they think inmates and students are interchangeable, at least when it comes to deploying force.
Filed Under: ice, nebraska, police misconduct, police violence, school resource officer, stun gloves, wtaf
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Comments on “School Asks Cops To Stop Using Stun Gloves On Its Students”
This is perfect. Teaches kids to lick the boot early. Wouldn’t want them getting any ideas about standing up for themselves later. Maybe we can toss in the occasional execution in the street for some real order and safety from the even worse bad guys waiting in every single one of us.
Here in the Netherlands, the government recently outlawed the use of electric stun devices. On cattle.
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Controlling inmates
Jesus Christ, these are human beings you are talking about! Why do you feel the need to “control” them? You white people are just the most evil creatures on the planet. Prisoners have rights! Why are you so violent and hateful?
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We should just toss them all in camps like y’all do the Uyghurs. Cunt.
Fuck cops. Why do cops like torturing the disabled? Fucking evil trash.
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They’re largely overlooked by society and are therefore easier to victimize without consequence.
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Filed under: “Kicks puppies and throws rocks at old people.”
Schools and Jails
Years ago, I worked at a company that did door controls for prisons. We ended up having to purchase parts for a project, and the vendor was the same as one (DuKane) that also supplied schools at the time.
Governments treated the physical facilities of jails in very much the same way they treated schools. It’s only gone downhill from then.
From the other side of the pond...
The whole cops-in-schools thing is fucking weird.
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Yes, it is.
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Especially since, they are never around to stop a school shooting
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People keep not doing what they’re told. And if you let them get away with that, they might turn out worse than the cops. So it sucks, but we have no choice to enable this for as long as those in power want it.
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If that was supposed to be sarcasm, it failed.
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It’s bonkers North of their border too.
This is a youth rights issue.
In 1970, pursuant to the corporal punishment policy of Florida’s public schools, a 14-year-old boy was spanked. He refused to submit to the spanking; therefore, multiple adults ganged up on him forcibly to restrain him face-down on a table. Thereupon, he was hit numerous times with a spanking paddle. The spanking was so severe that the boy need medical attention; doctors ordered him to stay home from school for eleven days, so that his injuries could heal.
Together with his parents, the boy, James Ingraham, sued the school. He fought the case all the way up to the Supreme Court of the United States. And… In its infinite wisdom, the Burger Court ruled 5-4 that the school did not violate James’ constitutional rights under the Eighth and Fourteenth Amendments. Ingraham v. Wright, 430 U.S. 651 (1977).
That’s still “good law” in “the land of the free”.
In America, ageism against young people is the last prejudice which not only is sacrosanct across the political spectrum, but also is still fully institutionalized in law and culture. For those who are too “liberal” to accept traditional moral authoritarianism, the prejudice is propped up by pop-sci received wisdom about the “unfinished” inferiority of the “teen brain”, which reeks of the social construction of the “racial peculiarities” of the “negro brain”—or, for that matter, that of the “female brain” which one can find “proved” inferior on many truthy-truth websites in the manosphere. This needs to stop.
Now, please take this as constructive criticism:
Unless a Peace officer gently caressed you with a Love Glove, why the fuck are you shocked?
In the quasi-carceral institutions called “schools”, the inmates are routinely subjected to electronic surveillance so intensely invasive, it is downright dehumanizing. (If this were not a blog comment policed by a moderation robot that hates too many links, I’d provide more.) The young are not human people with human rights, but chattel to be controlled and inculcated with authoritarianism—allegedly “for their own good”, but actually more in practice from adults’ own neuroses. Has this escaped your notice, or did you not see the relevance?
In your reporting on this “shocker” of an article, were you even aware of Ingraham, a(n) (in)famous Supreme Court landmark case that seems not irrelevant? Or did you not know that the SCOTUS has said it’s constitutional for a public school to beat a 14-year-old with a wooden paddle so hard that he gets a hematoma?
And in the abstract, why do you suppose the Internet is being crushed by “age verification”? When to violate the First Amendment rights of the young is a higher priority than to protect the First Amendment rights of adults, what does that reveal about the so-called “adults in the room”?
I respectfully suggest that you please zoom out, and consider these interlocking issues as a whole. Don’t miss the forest for the trees! The article reports on one particular youth rights issue, just as an article on a lynching in the Jim Crow South reports on one particular civil rights issue. It would be appropriate to mention that this is one instance of a broader issue.
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To any young readers: I urge you to study these issues, and to learn effective self-advocacy for your own rights. Stay calm. Articulate your arguments with fewer cursewords than I can get away with; at this point in my life, no one can dismiss me as a “dumb teenager”. Lashing out wildly in rebellion is ineffectual and self-defeating. Don’t internalize being told that you’re so foolish and immature that you learn to act like it. Study the issues, and do what I am doing here. For those of the upper percentiles of intellectual precocity: I know that you can do it.
(To any adults in the peanut gallery who find me disagreeable: I don’t care about your opinion any more than I did when I was a teenager. I’d explain why, but I’ve been accused of being excessively verbose. To be succinct, I’ll say it like I did when I was sixteen: 🖕)
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Coming from someone who’s posted a few crank-ass missives on this site in years past: I, uh…I think you’ve proven the accusations true, my dude. 😅
Re: Re: “Teen suicide, n. A symptom of too much mental health to tolerate the intolerable.” — impurify.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here. I hypothesize that:
Do any academics in the right departments want to study this? Please!?
Now, pardon me for having been excessively verbose in expressing my ire. I’m a tad peeved that we have a society that talks incessantly about “child protection” (as long as it’s an excuse to talk obsessively about hot teen sex and child sex while pretending to hate it! see “Erotic Innocence”), but few people know or care that the SCOTUS said it’s constitutionally copacetic for a public school to BEAT THE HELL OUT OF A 14-YEAR-OLD WITH A WOODEN PLANK. Ingraham is unimportant, just like young people’s First Amendment rights.
And people are shocked when
prison wardens“school resource officers” gently caress students with the Love Glove. Woah, like, who could’ve seen that coming?See also (2019): “‘Are we training children from a young age to accept constant surveillance?’ she [Rachel Levinson-Waldman, a lawyer for the Brennan Center for Justice] asked. […] ‘I know I would have rebelled against some of my own products,’ [Gaggle CEO Jeff] Patterson said. ‘But the world has changed.’” Erotic innocence is surely amplified by unlimited voyeurism to make sure we can see it if kids are talking about sex, or taking sexy pictures of themselves—or planning to kill themselves to escape from the crushing oppression that we impose on them “for their own good”.
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i have not always agreed with you (although i do here), but i couldn’t complain about your verbosity. Not a lot of filler in there.
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Thanks. Kind words mean much to me. I’m enough of an admitted radical to be accustomed to people not always agreeing with me. 🙂
FYI, BTW, my first 800-word comment on this page took almost three hours of effort to produce—mostly to edit, whittle down, tighten, polish, and also fact-check. I dislike mentioning that, but it’s nowadays an issue in itself: My words are wholly mine, and I will never use “AI” cheating tools. I made an extraordinary effort for that comment, because this issue is of such superlative import.
On the same grounds, earlier, I started to draw up a list off the top of my head of evidence that America hates children and youths. To avoid a ten-thousand-word comment, here’s a nutshell itemized summary of a few tidbits:
In theory, this is the legacy of the theories of “children who molest” cooked up in the 1990s by Kee MacFarlane and her illustrious colleagues. (For those who don’t remember, in the 1980s, during the Satanic Panic, MacFarlane was the “child protection” expert who spun the McMartin Preschool prosecution out of the delusion of a literal paranoid schizophrenic.) In practice, to oppose this, you need to oppose such monstrosities as the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006—which is unopposable, because “think of the children!”. More than forty major, highly reputable mental health and juvenile justice orgs tried to oppose the Adam Walsh Act when it was passed; for instance, the American Psychological Association warned of “the devastating impact these provisions will have on the lives of many children and youth”. Such protests then, and ever since then have been almost entirely futile, because “Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act”.
By the way, prosecution of two same-age juveniles for “sexual assault” on each other is not merely an hypothetical dreamt up by navel-gazing libertarians. It has actually happened.
I’d pop a hyperlink in here (and for other items), but…
For your partisan scorecards: The progressive left wing of the Democratic Party is interested in this issue. Establishment Democrats will spin like tops to avoid facing it with anything more than lip-service to platitudes. Republicans believe it’s God’s will to burn to the ground what little social welfare America has; “compassionate conservatism” is the doctrine that poor kids need to learn to pray, such that maybe the churches will throw them a bone—if God smiles on them.
Reproductive justice is another issue, entwined with this one. People who lack access to contraception and abortion have pregnancies they don’t want, when they already have kids they can’t feed. It is a formula for ever-expanding cycles of generational poverty. Need I draw a partisan scorecard on not defunding Planned Parenthood, not perpetuating the Hyde Amendment, not spreading medical misinformation against contraceptives, and, um, not banning abortion.
…so, now, a public school features
deranged psycho prison wardens“school resource officers” using electrified torture-gloves on the young. Are we shocked, or what?Can you see from the foregoing a little bit of just how shocked I am?
But of course, we’re oh so shocked. We care about kids, because we want to censor the Internet for “child protection”. That’s what we tell ourselves: Truly caring means destroying the Internet to stop rebellious youths from intentionally accessing porn sites that say “age 18+ only”—and draconian age-segregation schemes for all modern channels of mass-communication. Why, we care so very much about kids, we may even ban VPNs! The mostest caring-about-kids is to build “age verification” into operating systems—a frontal assault on the right to general-purpose computing. Makes sense.
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I could, and probably should write a book on America’s cultural and institutional hatred of the young. This hate by adults who were once upon a time young is covered over by hypocritical “think of the children!” rhetoric, which is exploited with ulterior motives to drive other agendas.
In context, when we don’t miss the forest for the trees, this is a generalized issue of civil rights for young people. But no one will even think that, much less say it. I will say it.
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You remember how, on a different article’s comments, I said “there are no succinct cranks”? 👀
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In your initial reply to me on this thread, as to my comment where inter alia I raised the relevance a Supreme Court landmark precedent that middle-school students have no Eighth Amendment right not to be beaten to the point of serious injury, your “crank-ass” remark was as ambiguous as it was indifferent to what I have just restated. Now, it is unambiguous.
Whence I come, “crank” is a serious charge—utterly discrediting if true, a peculiarly vicious ad hominem fallacy if false. Should you wish to accuse me of being a crank, please tell me where I’m batshit off-in-the-weeds unglued from reality—a prerequisite to earning the title of “crank”.
This is not a “prove me wrong!” gambit, which I deplore. I’d prefer to stand on the facts out of the gate, and to show upfront at least a little bit of evidence for any potentially questionable or extraordinary claims; here, however, I am trying to avoid the vagaries of a moderation robot which yesterday permanently vanished a short comment about Ohio politics (re Buc-ee’s) with two links—one to a reputable newspaper, the other to Wikipedia. If I thus must do this piecemeal… It would be helpful if you’d challenge some particular point where you’d like to ask me to support my assertions as to fact. I’d also prefer to expand into a coherent, logically-connected essay what I thereby compressed into a bullet-list and a few logical inferences.
At this juncture, I’ll prioritize some background as immediately warranted.
The Social History of Childhood
To avoid a long essay, I’ll kick out a name to start with: Philippe Ariès. Although Ariès is known to have overreached in places (and the popular press stupidly likes to bash him), his theory of the social construction of childhood is basically sound, and it founded a new body of academic study of the history of childhood.
(Incidentally, I think it’s interesting that Ariès was an independent political maverick who dabbled in French right-wing politics, but who worked with lefty icon Michel Foucault. That said, Ariès was always anti-authoritarian.)
Nutshell version: Childhood is not a natural fact. By analogy, just as there have always been anatomical differences of biological sex, there have always been small, biologically immature humans before puberty, and humans in the biological process of puberty. Just as gender is constructed with some more or less tenuous relation to biological and anatomical differences—and just as we tend to perceive gender as “natural”, and even as “obvious”—and just as gender cannot be understood without studying its history, so, too, with the social perceptions of what we call “childhood” and “adolescence”.
Empirically, to suggest that “childhood” is biologically deterministic would be ridiculous. Cultural perceptions of the young are wildly variable across cultures, and across time within cultures. Although there are some common themes, there is no human universal “childhood”.
This is not fringe. Liable though it is to evoke controversy, as does every social construction theory, it is well-founded and accepted as a school of thought. It is nowhere even close to “crank” territory. I suggest that if you are unaware of that, it is not exactly my fault.
In my foregoing comments, I present an approximate capsule summary of my own independent take on current events—as informed by the history of childhood, which is not my invention! I do find it irritating when people act as if political economy, race, disability, gender, sexuality, and childhood do not have histories.
Of course, to avoid being blown off into the weeds with some real crankiness, we must define a term that is so oft misunderstood in popular discourse.
What is a social construct?
A word of caution: Contrary to right-wing propaganda, “social construct” does not mean “not real”. No serious thinker treats it that way!
Ask your friendly local feminist how “real” are the limitations of women who internalized as girls the cultural notion that their whole lives must be centered on dependency on a man. Or, mutatis mutandis, I refer you to a short open-access 1830s abstract “On the Brain of the Negro, Compared with That of the European and the Ourang-Outang”, which finds that “the apparent inferiority of the Negro is altogether the result of the demoralizing influence of slavery” (p. 399). Not “not real”.
On a topic that I think you’ll find amenable to your advocacy efforts: The modern theory of disability rights reads “disability” as a social construct. Disability is not an essential attribute of the individual. An impairment is made a disability by social and legal oppression which dis-ables the impaired person—literally depriving them of the use of their abilities. I need not remark that a disability isn’t “not real”.
That’s the nutshell version, which should not be taken as an oversimplified absolute! In my opinion, much nuance is required. There exist some people with extreme impairments and no discernible abilities, whom no social allowance can much help. But for one of my favorite pet examples of this theory in practice, throughout most of his career, Stephen Hawking would have been literally dis-abled to nothingness, if not for the social support and allowances by which he continued to exercise his extreme abilities. Ableist prejudice against Professor Hawking would have been a tragedy.
It requires much nuance indeed to parse all of this, and to distinguish “nature” from society. I’m not preaching dogma—much less a popularly caricatured oversimplification of “social constructs”. Also, by the way, I do think that sociobiologists and evolutionary psychologists (real ones, not the armchair cranks on manosphere websites) are respectable and worthy of consideration; orthodoxy is no more amenable to me than “purity”. That said, I give no credence whatsoever to idiots who dismiss history and society as irrelevant.
Apropos hereof, much of the stereotypical modern “teen” behavior is irritating to me. It’s not “not real”. I argue that it is mostly caused by learned helplessness, internalized oppression, the mental habits of involuntary irresponsibility—the acceptance of enforced infantilism. Whereas biologically-mediated rates of developmental maturation are highly variable—and there do exist 14-year-olds who are more mature and responsible than I myself was at age 21, such as, for an extraordinary historical example, future-President Andrew Jackson when he was a 14-year-old functional adult. For a biological determinist to suggest that that’s physically impossible is a delusion, as ignorant as it is patently absurd.
It is why I include in my comments a message for intelligent young people: Be what you can be, not what you are told you are. It is the number-one most important advice that I wish someone had given me when I was in my mid-teens. “If you act like a child, I’m gonna treat you like one”—but I won’t treat you like a child, so as to make you act like one.
The Present and Future of Childhood
In my prior comment’s bullet-list, I sketched the bare outlines of a culture of adults who treat the young as chattel to be managed and/or disposed of as convenient, while morally posturing as noble “think of the children!” protectors of the young.
Methinks it’s unwise to dismiss that as a “crank” idea, in reply to my commentary on an article about electric torture-gloves applied to the young—in which my very first words remarked on how the SCOTUS says it’s peachy for a public school to BEAT THE HELL OUT OF A 14-YEAR-OLD.
Is it “crank” for me to point out that aside from myself, no commentator in this thread seems even to know, or (except also perhaps one AC) even to care about the Ingraham precedent and its cultural and legal relevance to the article?
That is the present of “childhood” in America. Meanwhile, as I have not yet pointed out in this thread (but I did in another one), the age of effective “adulthood” has been ratcheted upwards for decades of ever-expanding, legally enforced infantilism.
What, praytell, does all of this portend for the future?
Pardon me for positing a question that’s so very uncomfortable, most adults would rather stick forks into their own eyeballs than consider it.
I urge intelligent young people to ponder that question now. After all, this is their world, too—and this will be their world, and they will need to cope with it, when you and I are way too dead to be bothered by such trivialities.
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“Because it’s the Internet” notice: I am not affiliated with any organized advocacy group (though it’d probably be wise for me to found one). I do not claim any credentials or authority. I speak hereby only for myself, and I will response my arguments on their own merits.
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Jesus fucking Christ, do you have entire essays ready to post at the drop of a hat or some shit? I’ve got copypastas in a text expander application and most of them aren’t even half this long.
I’m sympathetic to your views and all, but damn, dude, learn to (A) read the room and (B) make a point without writing a whole-ass book to get there.
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No. That comment, and all else I have posted on Techdirt was written on the spot—by me, a human, with no copypastas, no “text expander application”, and absolutely no “AI”—with no cheating and with no cheating tools whatsoever. I declare this unequivocally.
(Exception to “on the spot”: Expressly-marked partial respins or full retries of vanished comments, such as this. Absolutely no exceptions about cheating tools. I am not a plagiarist.)
This is now your second comment in a row in which without basis, you have leveled at me an ad hominem discrediting charge. First, I’m allegedly a crank—now, I’m allegedly doing copypastas expanded with cheating tools. At best, it is incautious of you. Please consider that if you continue in this direction, it will not be unwarranted, nor paranoid, to accuse you of arguing in bad faith when you disagree with what I have to say, yet you wish to evade arguing the substance.
Oh, by the way, are you now beginning to understand why I hate cheaters with the fire of a thousand suns? Every cheater in the world collectively, categorically steals from me. Evidence is above.
Pardon me for reading the room as being full of people who I fancy may care about Ingraham v. Wright, in the context of a discussion of schools torturing kids—just as in a discussion of Internet free speech, I’d reasonably anticipate that Techdirt readers may want to discuss relevant major precedents such as Reno v. ACLU. Am I way off-base?
What is your opinion of Ingraham v. Wright?
[This is a sharply truncated, terser, less humorous version of a robo-vanished comment that I hope will show up later. I still hope so. However, it would be unreasonable to expect me to let stand in public a poisonous reputation-attacking ad hominem without reply, while I patiently wait, and perhaps wait indefinitely for a human moderator please to look in the robot’s trash bin. Note: impurify is not a throwaway identity. I am deeply invested in my reputation as impurify.]
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My dude. Whether I agree or disagree isn’t the point. The point is that you’re typing out an entire article in the comments almost every time you post. Like, I’ve done a lot of commenting over the years I’ve been reading Techdirt, and I’ve done my fair share of posting long-ass comments whenever I was in the mood to do that. But I didn’t do it with every comment I made. Consider that you maybe don’t need to write a thousand words every time you want to make a point that could be made in far fewer words. Brevity, wit, et cetera.
Also: LMAO, is that supposed to be a threat? Maybe chill with the Sephiroth posting, too.
…okay, now you’re getting into a whole weird area.
There’s caring about the relevance of the case, then there’s writing no less than three whole essays about it in the comments section of a blog article.
Oh god, you wrote a whole-ass essay about me?! Jesus, dude, I was just trying to get you to calm down a bit on posting five thousand–word comments. You don’t need to care that much about me or my bullshit.
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I repeat: Every plagiarist and plagiarism-apologist in the world collectively, categorically steals from me by a process of social grade inflation. That includes Mike Masnick, whose plagiarism-apologia is a formula for devaluing the best writing in the world into the social marketplace equivalent of Zimbabwe $100 trillion notes.
Your comment gave me the impetus to stop beating around the bush. A few hours ago, I elaborated on a plagiarism-apologia page where it is squarely on-topic. Alas, the robot seems to have eaten my comment there?
Aside, I have not stated my gender either way. I prefer they/them.
Now, I understand you. Why didn’t you say that earlier?
And now, I don’t want to derail a discussion about the substance of an important issue into further discussion of me personally and of my commenting. For that reason, I was in a sticky situation before: I had no choice but to reply to your weasel-worded false accusation that I’m running copypastas through a text expander, even though replying was inevitably derailing. (Observe that in my earlier 1,500-word reply to your “crank” remark, I stuck squarely to discussing a substantive issue that is not me personally.)
Let’s not take this further.
I use a valid (albeit bizarre-looking, morally impure enough for a slut-pride parade) email address on my Techdirt account; the moderators should feel free to ping me if they have a problem with me. I’ve also made my same email address available where I presume you’ve seen my comments, as you were participating there. For other reasons, I openly stated another valid email address for myself elsewhere on this very page (Ctrl-F
stockprod). If you wish to continue this discussion of me and of my writing habits, please email me; either I’ll engage or I’ll brush you off, but at least any ensuing discussion won’t spam this page.WTF, drama queen? Mountain of molehill much? Sigh.
No, I made a firm, eminently reasonable statement in a public discussion that if, in reply to my comments which (whatever their length) propound arguments pertaining to the substance under discussion, a particular person repeatedly throws the types of barbs that would tend to discredit me ad hominem, then I will draw the appropriate inference, and I will respond accordingly.
That person happens to be you. So, please knock it the fuck off.
It wasn’t an essay as such. However, that earlier 1,500-word comment that I wrote in reply to you was a mini-essay—which thoughtfully took into account your advocacy of disability rights, to try to show you how I think all of these issues line up. Hope you enjoyed.
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Ego like this usually comes with a billion-dollar bank account attached. I doubt you’re worth six figures, never mind ten or more.
And I use “dude” in a non-gendered way.
I did. That you didn’t understand I was trying to say that is part of the reason I told you to learn how to read the room.
God, dude, I was saying that I use a text expander. If I “accused” you of anything, it was by light implication; for all I know, you could have an open plain-text editor with all your writing ready to copy-paste from that to the comment box. That besides, it’s not fucking shameful to use a text expander. I keep it around mainly for emojis, small text blocks, and symbols that would be tiresome to type out or look up to copy-paste every time I wanted to use them.
Chat, you think this dude’s been around a while or nah? 😏
Hey, so, you think you got enough ten-dollar words in there? 🙄
Re: Re: Re:4 OT, but it needs to be said.
P.S.—I am impressed at myself for what could NOT have been done by any automated cheating tool. For only one example, Stephen T. Stone, I spoke to your advocacy of disability rights: I subtly foreshadowed it earlier, and then, I wove it seamlessly together with my general exposition of a cogent non-cranky, non-fringe theory—seemingly on another topic. That was all intentional. It was done thoughtfully by a human who can think, not by a machine that cannot—and assuredly not by a copypasta.
I, a human, put much thought and work into that. Hope you enjoyed.
Filed under: “The human cost of cheating tools and their cheating plagiarist users.”
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You ever think of trying to start an OnlyFans, given how good you seem to be at kissing your own ass?
Re: Re: Re:6 More off-topic discussion.
I call myself impurify (they/them), and I quote the Marquis de Sade. Why do you assume so facilely that I’m not on OnlyFans? Given my affinity for sex worker rights, I surely find the suggestion flattering rather than insulting.
It’s nice of you to twist and distort my comment as you did—but it’s the kind of niceness I can ignore, to avoid off-topic pointless arguments. I just wanted to let you know that I replied to your other comment above, a robot seems to have eaten it, and I will probably wait to see if it eventually shows up.
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Because people who have OnlyFans accounts for money-making purposes often have better (and sexier) things to do than write thousand-word essays in the comments of a tech blog multiple times per day.
I can assure you that you don’t need to keep whining about your comments getting caught in the spamfilter, and you don’t need to tell me you wrote a reply to me regardless of whether it got filtered or that you’re so angry about a few light jabs at you/your writing that you’re writing thousand-word missives about it. I’m the last person who needs to be saying this to anyone, but seriously: Consider touching grass for a while.
'I'M not getting tortured so what's the problem?'
Bellevue schools spokeswoman Amanda Oliver said the district has a great relationship with Bellevue police and doesn’t see a need to alter anything.
Of course she doesn’t because she doesn’t have to worry about getting electrically tortured whenever some thug with a badge decides that they haven’t heard someone screaming recently enough.
It’s my understanding(that admittedly might be wrong) that a prerequisite for being able to carry pepper-spray in the military and/or police is having it used on you first so you know exactly what it feels like to be on the receiving end of what you’re being handed. Whether or not that’s actually true at this point I’m of the opinion that anyone that supports the use of the electric torture gloves, especially on kids, should be required to experience exactly what that feels like, with the gloves worn by someone who cares just as much for them as they do for those they are willing to see tortured, and just to keep the memory fresh so they can’t convince themselves it wasn’t that bad it should be done at least once a year at random.
It’s one thing to support a program when you know you will never face the negative aspects of it, something else entirely when you know that not only will you but you’ll be first in line.
Re: No, that’s minimizing responsibility.
Please don’t minimize the responsibility of these evil creeps with an excuse that they just don’t know how much it hurts.
It’s like saying that while he’s living in the lap of luxury, Donald Trump just doesn’t know how much it hurts poor people to cut SNAP—and to cut SNAP while his economic policies also raise the price of food. Um, no, I think that Trump knows very well how much it hurts people. Trump likes to hurt people.
For my part, I know exactly what my electric stock prod feels like. Protip: It hurts a lot—and that’s a good thing, for risk-aware consensual kink. I thus have the domain name stockprod-dot-com for a future website. To prove I’m not trolling, if you email
kissat domainstockproddotcom, I will reply to you. So, yes, I know what it feels like. However, I have not taste-tested the Love Glove (which, for the record, I so named in reference to Orwell’s Ministry of Love). Have you?Does it make a difference? Why do you and I react with visceral horror to this news story? Do you need to know what it actually feels like to know that this is wrong, wrong, wrong?
If you’re a nice person, it may be difficult for you to understand that there are people out there who relish the very idea of physically torturing kids for the sheer joy of oppressing them, harming them, crushing their young spirits, and hurting their bodies. You need to be more realistic: Such people exist. They are not a bogey hiding in the bushes or in dark corners of the Internet. You don’t notice them, because they are mundane. Banal in appearance. They look like this:
I point-blank accuse Amanda Oliver of malice to kids, an active desire to harm kids and to cause them pain. Amanda Oliver is a knowing and intentional spokesperson for child torture. Amanda Oliver should be fired from the school district, prohibited by law from passing within 2,500 feet of anyone under age 30, and forever shunned by everyone who doesn’t hate kids. Please do not so naïvely give Amanda Oliver the excuse of pretending that she oh-so-innocently doesn’t understand exactly what she is doing. Amanda Oliver is a bad person.
Let me not even get started on the cops…
…because I’m too busy yelling at people about how in Ingraham v. Wright, 430 U.S. 651 (1977), the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that it’s constitutional to BEAT THE HELL OUT OF A 14-YEAR-OLD WITH A PIECE OF WOOD—TO HIT HIM WITH A HARD OBJECT HARD ENOUGH TO CAUSE A HEMATOMA, WHILE RESTRAINING HIM FACE-DOWN BENT OVER A TABLE. See my other comments. Do you suggest that the five wizened, learned “Justices” in the majority just didn’t know that that fucking hurts? Or that the school staff who actually did it just oh so innocently had no idea that they were hurting the kid?
In the closely-related matter of voyeuristic electronic surveillance of the young so invasive that it’s dehumanizing, compare the reliably cited quote in one of my other comments of Gaggle CEO Jeff Patterson: “I know I would have rebelled against some of my own products.” Oh, he knows exactly what he’s doing to kids!
Turn it around
Squirt guns, super soakers, heck, even a paper cup full of water would kinda mess up their preferred uses of this toy. Aluminum foil? Look at http://www.lessemf.com for electrically conductive fabrics and clothing to protect yourself from these sadists.. What will they do if the subject/ victim drops to the floor and starts seizing? Are they trained to diagnose and treat seizure disorders? What is the liability if an electric glove causes a grand mal? The company making these toys will end up the target of numerous lawsuits.
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Or inducing a heart attack like a Taser can do.
Also, some school employee is going to be accused of doing the bad things with children and the gloves being designed not to leave marks will doom them. Along with the apparent lack of accountability on their use.
The Gloves are only for use on Adults
Or something to that affect in the user manual
So, what are rent a fake cop without adequate vetting teams going to read the instructions?
After the lawsuit is my guess
Learning
If you aren’t allowed to torture them how are they ever going to learn to bow properly?
Happy with the new contract
The manufacturers are overjoyed with the new ICE contract because their previous largest customer segment was the kink community.
Stalin-era "hedgehog gloves"?
Since much of this Administration’s agenda seems to come from Vladimir Putin’s wish list, I thought I might drag out another Russian relic, from Stalin’s Great Purge (1936-38)– “Hedgehog gloves.”
(2) In Russian, “to grip [someone] in hedgehog gloves” (“derzhat’ [kogo-nibud’] v ezhovyx rukavicax”) means to deal harshly with. Stalin’s most savage purger N.I. Ezhov’s surname is derived from “hedgehog”, so his cheerleaders boasted of crushing enemies of the people in “Ezhov gloves”.
(3) Google more on this: “ezhovye rukavicy”.
Or, see a cartoon at
cyberussr.com/rus/ye-ctn.html
not quite
Actually, I think it was “low output voltate emissions”. While the voltage was high, the idea was that the current should be limited so as to reduce the number of coronaries, seizures, and other visible effects.
Re: Volts and amps.
Good catch. That “low voltage” phrase is wrong. I saw it, but I didn’t want to diverge into technicalities from the main point about kids being tortured.
All devices for electrically stimulating a human are high-voltage. They need to be high-voltage, to be safe and effective. A violet wand at 65 kV with negligible current is quite safe. 110 V American household mains with whatever current a body happens to draw from a 15 A breaker is unsafe to connect to a human.
I don’t know anything about these cop devices used to torture kids, but I presume they must be high-voltage.
Sing it with me- “All you need is glove…glove is all you need.”