Wikipedia Banned Its Co-Founder Because Its Rules Mostly Work, Actually
from the here-to-build-an-encyclopedia dept
In Larry Sanger’s recent failed attempt to start a “WikiProject Intellectual Diversity”, he tried to recruit his followers to help him change Wikipedia’s rules around representation of viewpoints, religions, parties, and nationalities (a version of his earlier “Nine Theses”). The draft WikiProject was not itself a bannable offense, but his approach broke rules that were designed to foster fair discussions. Wikipedia’s rules really already support creation of balanced and robust articles about controversial topics – it just takes a huge amount of careful research, patience, and cooperation, and there’s no shortcut for that work.
In the first several months of Wikipedia, Sanger’s seriousness about its potential encouraged me to take up the challenge of helping write an encyclopedia that represents the sum of human knowledge. 25 years later, I remain an active editor dedicated to the Wikimedia movement for free and open knowledge, which is basically a fun and oddly serious hobby.
I edit a lot of moderately controversial articles that have glaring gaps in core principles of verifiability and neutral point of view. Many of Wikipedia’s most popular articles, like about politics and philosophy, are very informative and comprehensive, but second-tier articles don’t consistently get robust attention from editors. For example, I’ve recently repaired bias and disinformation in articles about AI regulation, LGBTQ rights in Nigeria, politicians in the Balkans, wealthy businessmen outside the US, influential religious organizations, and people accused of sexual harassment. I routinely fix articles that downplay negative information or present a controversial topic in a flattering way, in the style of Jeffrey Epstein’s ineffective project to get consultants to sanitize his article.
The good thing is that Wikipedia’s established rules already provide robust strategies to improve verifiability and balance in articles. Its principles expect editors to be cooperative and willing to cite a reliable source for nearly every sentence. You have to be up for changing your mind when somebody finds multiple reliable sources that disprove something you assumed, or at least up for slinking away to another article. To help counter bias and conflicts of interest, I apply elaborately layered guidance for evaluating and weighing sources – often citing academic journal articles and books, but not always, because the guidance recognizes that reliability is contextual. The “due weight” policy, part of the neutral point of view policy, pushes editors to search for more and better sources when something gets disputed, which results in a stronger article. I’ve learned that the best way to resolve a content dispute is to cite the best sources, reference the most relevant rules, present evidence calmly, and escalate one step at a time through the dispute resolution forums. Dispute resolution typically uses Wikipedia’s informal decision-making process, which reflects that Wikipedia is a decentralized asynchronous volunteer project, not an adjudicatory body. Wikipedia’s processes already work pretty well, they just take a lot of skill and patience, because collaboration is hard work.
Sanger was banned for off-Wikipedia canvassing and for not being on Wikipedia to build an encyclopedia, but to be clear, trying to start WikiProject Intellectual Diversity was not in itself a bannable offense. Canvassing is against the rules specifically to protect public and open processes that support the development of balanced articles. The canvassing guidelines discourage editors from trying to rig decision-making processes by selectively inviting participants who will take their side. The rules favor public discussions on Wikipedia so that all editors have an equal opportunity to participate. And since all Wikipedia edits are publicly tracked, editors can analyze each other’s contributions to detect biases and conflicts of interest. External invitations both selectively invite participation and prevent editors from exercising oversight. Volunteer administrators routinely block or even ban editors for inappropriate canvassing because this behavior compromises efforts to build a balanced encyclopedia.
Sanger’s recent advocacy reminds me of the pattern that researcher and Wikipedia editor Molly White described in January 2025: “right-wing voices attacking Wikipedia as part of an intensifying campaign against free and open access information.” In October, the Washington Post described Sanger as “fueling the right’s campaign” against Wikipedia. Among other incidents last year, House Republicans demanded disclosure of editor information over coverage of the Israel-Palestine conflict. Sanger’s call to prohibit anonymity for the most dedicated volunteer administrators, one of his Nine Theses, is another one of his takes that would undermine intellectual freedom in the project, in line with the leaked Heritage Foundation plan to dox editors.
My work to counter gaps, bias, and spam in Wikipedia articles gives me proof every day that the project is imperfect. Every active editor has critiques of Wikipedia, the Wikimedia Foundation, and the Wikimedia movement, and we debate issues and improvements at length. Wikipedia would benefit from additional contributors from any viewpoint or background who want to help build an encyclopedia. But improving Wikipedia requires intellectual honesty, cooperation, and willingness to apply established principles and rules even while critiquing them, not bad-faith publicity stunts.
Filed Under: canvassing, diversity, encyclopedia, larry sanger, wikipedia
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Comments on “Wikipedia Banned Its Co-Founder Because Its Rules Mostly Work, Actually”
Guy was one of many people involved in the start of Wikipedia, left in a snit to start rival project after rival project more in line with his personal vision, each dying a death because his vision doesn’t make for a useful website with a thriving community. After these sites rotted on the vine, he decided to do return, contribute nothing worthwhile for years and right wing media tours to help signal boost right wing attempts to attack the site because they won’t let them hijack the site the way they have everything else.
He’s the intellectual equivalent of a J6er, he openly tried to do a coup, got punished because the rules should be applied equally regardless of political beliefs, and expects sympathy, only there’s no Trump to wave the get out of consequences free card for him.
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He could still try to recruit Grokipedia’s bots to make even more slop. At least no one would care.
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At this point, I figure his goal is to persuade Elon to put him in charge of Grokipedia with a nice paycheque, given how the Heritage Foundation don’t seem interested in letting him board their gravy train.
I'm a very low-level wikipedia editor . . .
I fix spelling and grammar errors, edit articles about long-dead software into the past tense, and correct errors of fact.
None of the stuff Sanger is talking about sounds helpful to what I do, or as if it would improve anything, except that thin-skinned right-wingers would be more able to pretend their opinions are facts.
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Except it doesn’t.
It’s ideological capture by a buncha unhinged leftists. Wikipedia is absolutely useless for anything that is even vaguely political.
You can gaslight about it all you want, all the normal see it just fine.
Every time a reich-whinger screeches about “intellectual diversity” they leave out that what they want isn’t diversity of intellect but diversity from intellect.
Just look at RFK Jr./MAHA.
I appreciate the nuance in nearly every sentence. This person is grounded and balanced and will not be displaced lightly. I feel the encyclopedia is in good hands.
Here’s a wikipedia article I stumbled across last week:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cariol_Horne
And here’s one I visit once a year:
https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php
His theses are the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard and would destroy Wikipedia. So glad he’s banned.
This further increases the credibility of Wikipedia in my view. I remember in the early years of Wikipedia when you’d be ridiculed if you said you used the site to research and learn. I’ve always used it because you have the sources right there to go, read and judge if the article is a reliable source of knowledge for the topic you are researching but I’d never say I used it in public. And now here we are, in a time where AI slop is replacing truth and proper research and suddenly Wikipedia is one of the most reliable places to search for something.
I say Wikipedia, the Internet Archive and the likes are providing an incredibly important service to humanity in an era of nazi billionaires trying to rewrite history and control knowledge.
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The right wing takeover of newsmedia will probably allow them to manufacture sources.
Now, an interesting wikipedia story is the saga of the Sinfest article.
Or also that woman who was famous and had to do a press interview to update her own wikipedia page with her new martial status.
Both interesting stories.
Wikipedia is racist
It’s all white people airing their bigotry. 90% of the entire world, 8 billion people, are not white! Yet 100% of Wikipedia is written by white people. Wikipedia will never be a neutral resource unless and until white people are limited, and Africans and Asians are allowed to speak.
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If Wikipedia is edited 100% by white people, then what does that make me, an African-American Wikipedia editor?
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It makes me glad you are a Wikipedia editor. Glad to know it, and thanks for your efforts, as well as most editors.
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Someone that I would trust above the Reich wingers
Keep on editing
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Why aren’t they editing in their own languages? Or even better, translating their pages into english or other languges? Not sure how anyone is stopping them. And i think that would be great. Beat the Germans and Hungarians to translating all their important and/or entertaining stuff into other languages of their choosing long before the predominantly white (depending on the breaks) Europeans even think of it, apparently.
There are times i can certainly agree with you. There are times where you may or do have a point, but it’s buried in shit. And sometimes it sounds like just shit, but almost no one will know because you write in bandwagon-y, insulting rhetoric with zero evidence or explanation far too often.
(Surely i can be guilty of that sometimes, i ain’t perfect.)
(Also, no joke lots of whypeepo have a racist bent, whether entirely on purpose, or because of unexamined, internalized racist BS. But all of Wikipedia is cis het neurotypical white racist dudes? Yeah ok.)
This guy is really annoying. You have no idea.