Who Goes MAGA?
from the an-updating dept
With apologies to Dorothy Thompson, whose 1941 essay in Harper’s, “Who Goes Nazi?” remains a worthwhile read on the cultural archetypes of who is drawn to fascism, and who would never go down such a path. It felt like it could use a modern updating, however.
It is an interesting and somewhat macabre social media game to play while scrolling through your feeds: to speculate who in your network would go full MAGA. By now, I think I know. I have gone through the experience many times—watching the 2016 election, the pandemic, January 6th, and now Trump’s return. I have come to know the types: the born MAGAs, the MAGAs whom social media criticism has created, the certain-to-be fellow-travelers. And I also know those who never, under any conceivable circumstances, would fall for the grift.
It is preposterous to think that they are divided by any obvious characteristics. Rural Americans may be more susceptible to MAGA than most people, but I doubt it. College graduates are supposedly inoculated, but it is an arbitrary assumption. I know lots of PhD holders who are born MAGAs and many others who would don the red hat tomorrow morning in response to some perceived slight. There are people who have repudiated their own principles in order to become “Honorary Patriots”; there are lifelong Democrats who have enthusiastically entered Trump’s orbit. MAGA has nothing inherently to do with geography, education, or even stated political beliefs. It appeals to a certain type of mind.
It is also, to an immense extent, the disease of a generation—the generation that grew up online, that learned to mistake engagement for truth, that confused being heard with being right. This is as true of suburban millennials as it is of rural boomers. It is the disease of the algorithmically poisoned.
Sometimes I think there are direct digital factors at work—a type of media consumption, a pattern of social validation, and a form of tribal identity that has produced a new kind of citizen with an imbalance in their nature. They have been fed rage and filled with grievances that are beyond their capacity to process rationally. They have been subjected to forms of propaganda that have released them from the constraints of empirical reality. Their emotions are vigorous. Their reasoning is childish. Their civic education has been almost completely neglected.
At any rate, let us look through the feeds.
The Contrarian Intellectual
His Substack has 10,000 subscribers and a name like “Uncomfortable Truths” or “Against the Grain.” He has an advanced degree and a career in academia or journalism. He positions himself as a truth-teller willing to say what others won’t.
The clues are there if you know where to look. Watch how he behaves during the latest culture war dust-up—he cannot let any consensus pass without needling it, cannot let any moment of social harmony exist without introducing “complexity.” He calls it intellectual honesty. Others might recognize it as a compulsive need to be the smartest person in the room.
He’s not technically MAGA yet, but he’s on the glide path. He writes long pieces about how “the left has lost its mind” and how “we need to have difficult conversations.” He appears on podcasts to discuss “the excesses of woke culture” and “the importance of free speech.” He’s built his brand on being the reasonable liberal who’s willing to criticize his own side.
But his criticism only flows in one direction. He’s endlessly concerned about cancel culture but never mentions voter suppression. He worries about campus speech codes but not about book bans. He’s created a career out of giving conservatives permission to feel intellectual about their prejudices.
His MAGA turn will come when he finally admits what’s been obvious all along: he’s more comfortable with the right than the left. He’ll frame it as a principled stand against progressive extremism, but really it’s just the natural conclusion of a grift that started with “I’m just asking questions.”
The Wellness Influencer
Her Instagram is a masterpiece of soft-focus selfies and inspirational quotes. She sells courses on “authentic living” and posts about the importance of “doing your own research.” She’s got 50K followers who hang on her every word about manifestation, healing crystals, and toxic relationships.
She already went MAGA during the pandemic, though she’d never admit it. It started with “questioning the narrative” about vaccines and evolved into sharing Robert F. Kennedy Jr. content and ranting about “globalist elites.” She doesn’t post Trump content directly—that would hurt her brand—but she’s constantly sharing adjacent conspiracy theories about child trafficking, fluoride in water, and the “plandemic.”
Her path to MAGA was predictable: someone whose entire identity is built on being special, on having secret knowledge that others lack, was always going to fall for conspiracy theories. The wellness-to-fascism pipeline is real, and she’s already at the destination.
The Centrist Politician
She calls herself a moderate Democrat and appears on cable news to provide “balance.” Her social media carefully calibrates every post to seem reasonable and bipartisan. She writes op-eds about “finding common ground” and “reaching across the aisle.”
But check her voting record: she confirms every Trump judicial nominee, opposes every progressive priority, and finds reasons to side with Republicans on every issue that matters. She claims to support democracy while enabling the people trying to destroy it.
Her MAGA evolution is already complete—she just hasn’t changed her party registration yet. She’s more concerned with maintaining her brand as the “reasonable Democrat” than with actually defending democratic values. She’ll keep providing cover for fascists as long as it keeps her on TV.
The LinkedIn Thought Leader
Here’s someone whose profile shows all the markers of success: MBA from a decent school, senior VP at a Fortune 500 company, ghost-written posts about “leadership” and “mindset” three times a week. He shares motivational quotes over sunset photos and humble-brags about his “journey.” His feed is a carefully curated performance of professional achievement.
But scroll deeper and you’ll find the tells. He reposts articles about “woke capitalism” destroying America. He quotes Jordan Peterson approvingly. He’s constantly posting about how “nobody wants to work anymore” and how “participation trophies ruined a generation.” His comments on political posts always start with “I’m not political, but…”
This guy will go MAGA the moment it becomes professionally advantageous. He’s already mostly there ideologically, but he’s waiting for the moment when his company needs MAGA cred the most. The day his company starts rewarding MAGA loyalty over quarterly earnings—or the day he gets passed over for a promotion he thinks he deserves—he’ll be posting about “taking our country back” with the same enthusiasm he currently reserves for synergy and disruption.
The Crypto Enthusiast
His Twitter bio lists his pronouns as “rich/richer” and includes at least three flag emojis. His feed is 60% cryptocurrency technical analysis, 30% complaints about government regulation, and 10% photos of his Tesla. He calls himself a “free speech absolutist” and thinks Elon Musk is a visionary.
He’s always been MAGA, even if he didn’t quite realize it. He rails against “establishment media” and gets his news from podcasts. He believes utterly in meritocracy while having inherited his initial bankroll from his parents. He thinks poor people are just lazy and rich people are naturally superior. He’s easily seduced by nonsense claims about race and IQ because they appeal to his long-standing belief that he’s an objectively special genius.
His MAGA evolution is complete except for the explicit political allegiance. He’s already anti-government, anti-regulation, anti-tax, and anti-anybody-who-questions-his-success. As crypto becomes even more explicitly partisan, he’ll be posting Pepe memes and talking about “making America great again.”
The Facebook Mom
She posts pictures of her kids constantly, shares recipes, and belongs to seventeen different local community groups. She seems harmless enough—lots of heart emojis, inspirational quotes about motherhood, and complaints about school board meetings.
But she’s already gone MAGA, and it happened faster than anyone expected. It started with concerns about “what they’re teaching our kids” and evolved into full-blown culture war participation. She shares PragerU videos, complains about “woke Disney,” and posts about “parental rights” with the fervor of a religious convert. She is absolutely convinced that there are human trafficking gangs from central America looking to kidnap her kids in the Target parking lot.
Her MAGA journey was enabled by Facebook community, which fed her increasingly extreme content disguised as “parenting advice” and “educational resources.” She genuinely believes she’s protecting her children from a coordinated attack on American values. She’ll vote for any candidate who promises to “protect our kids” from teachers, librarians, and anyone else trying to “indoctrinate” them.
The Venture Capitalist
His Twitter is a constant stream of complaints about “woke employees” destroying productivity and liberal professors poisoning young minds. He’s worth $500 million because of a few home run investments that he lucked into thanks to his Stanford network, but talks like he’s the victim of a vast conspiracy. His feed alternates between humble-brags about his latest investment and rants about how universities are churning out unemployable graduates who expect “participation trophies.”
He’s already MAGA, though he’d never admit it publicly—bad for fundraising. He privately complains that diversity hiring is destroying meritocracy while his portfolio companies are run entirely by Stanford MBAs who look exactly like him. He thinks workers asking for fair wages are “entitled” and students protesting genocide are “indoctrinated.”
His MAGA allegiance is wrapped up in his belief that he earned everything through pure merit, despite raising his first investment fund from family connections. He’ll vote for anyone who promises to cut his taxes and eliminate the regulations that might force him to treat workers like human beings.
The Legacy Media Reporter
His bio says “Covering politics for [Major News Outlet]” and he takes pride in his “objectivity.” He writes careful both-sides pieces about every issue and treats Trump’s fascist rhetoric as just another political strategy worth analyzing.
He’s not quite MAGA yet, but he’s already doing their work for them. He frames voter suppression as “election integrity measures” and describes anti-trans legislation as “parental rights bills.” He gives equal weight to climate scientists and oil industry propagandists because “balance” is more important than truth.
His MAGA turn will come gradually, as he realizes that treating fascism as normal politics is more profitable than actual journalism. He’ll keep providing legitimacy to authoritarianism while telling himself he’s just doing his job. By the time democracy collapses, he’ll still be writing headlines about how “both sides share blame.”
The Business Owner
She runs a small business—maybe a restaurant, maybe a retail store. She posts about “entrepreneurship” and “the American dream.” She works seventy hours a week and takes pride in “building something from nothing.”
She’s prime MAGA material because she’s been trained to see her success as purely individual and her struggles as evidence of government overreach. When COVID restrictions hurt her business, she blamed “bureaucrats” rather than the virus. When she can’t find workers, she blames unemployment benefits rather than wages.
Her MAGA turn will be complete when she decides that her business problems are caused by taxes, regulations, and lazy workers rather than market forces and systemic issues. She’ll vote for anyone who promises to “get government out of the way” and let “job creators” like her prosper.
The Normie
He doesn’t post about politics much. His feed is mostly sports, vacation photos, and memes. He seems reasonable, moderate, unengaged with the culture wars. He’s the kind of person who says “I don’t really follow politics” and means it.
But he’s susceptible to MAGA because he’s politically lazy. He gets his information from headlines and assumes that “both sides” are equally bad. He’s annoyed by political discussions and just wants everyone to “get along.”
His MAGA evolution will happen gradually, through exposure to right-wing content disguised as non-political entertainment. He’ll start sharing “funny” memes that happen to have political undertones. He’ll begin to believe that liberals are “too sensitive” and conservatives are “more reasonable.” By the time he realizes he’s been radicalized, it’ll be too late.
The Ones Who Won’t
Take the small-town Republican from Ohio who should be MAGA by every demographic marker—pickup truck, church every Sunday, straight GOP for twenty years. But her childhood best friend came out as trans, and suddenly the culture war had a face she loved. Now she’s at city council meetings defending the very people she once thoughtlessly condemned. The MAGA crowd calls her a traitor. She calls it friendship.
There are others in the feeds who will never go MAGA, no matter what. They’re not necessarily the most educated or the most politically engaged. They’re not defined by their demographics or their stated beliefs.
They’re the ones who have something the MAGA-susceptible lack: a genuine comfort with complexity and nuance, an ability to tolerate uncertainty, and a fundamental respect for other people’s humanity. They don’t need to believe they’re special or superior. They have the same insecurities others have, but they don’t blame others for them. They don’t need enemies to blame for their problems. They don’t need simple answers to complicated questions.
They’re the teacher who posts about her students’ achievements without making it about herself. They’re the small business owner who pays his workers well because he knows it’s right and actually better for business, not because he has to. They’re the veteran who talks about service without wrapping it in nationalism. They’re the parent who worries about their kids without blaming teachers for everything.
They’re the people who can say “I don’t know” without feeling diminished. They’re the ones who can admit they were wrong without feeling attacked. They’re the ones who can see others succeed without feeling threatened.
The Pattern
The pattern is clear once you know what to look for. MAGA appeals to people who need to feel special, who need enemies to blame, who need simple answers to complex problems. It attracts those who mistake confidence for competence, who confuse being loud with being right, who think that admitting uncertainty is weakness.
It’s not about education or geography or even politics. It’s about character. It’s about whether you can tolerate complexity, whether you can admit mistakes, whether you can see other people as fully human.
The scary thing about MAGA isn’t that it’s obviously evil—it’s that it’s appealing to people who think they’re good. It offers them a way to feel righteous about their resentments, patriotic about their prejudices, and principled about their selfishness.
But the good news is that character isn’t fixed. People can change. They can learn to tolerate uncertainty, to admit mistakes, to see others as human. They can develop the emotional and intellectual tools to resist fascist appeals.
The question is whether they will—and whether the rest of us will help them, or just watch them scroll deeper into the darkness.
The game continues. The stakes keep rising. And the feeds keep feeding us exactly what we want to hear.
Filed Under: dorothy thompson, fascism, maga, who goes maga, who goes nazi


Comments on “Who Goes MAGA?”
I just assumed the hats had RFID tags, so by the time the wearers realized these people were full of lies, the slaughter bots would be sent out to wipe out the wearers, well after the elections that needed the wearers.
Had to call them Goatse hats, announcing each wearer entering the room, “Meet Another Giant( or Gaping) A****le”
Everyone who went MAGA—and I mean full-on “Trump is my God” MAGA, not “I only voted for him because I didn’t like [Clinton/Biden/Harris]” MAGA—was already an asshole. Trump gave them license to be that asshole in public without remorse.
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This. We’re basically just seeing conservatives come out as conservative. This is what they were back when they called themselves “Democrats” and “Confederates.”
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I think your distinction is really important, because the author never defines what “MAGA”. He then doubles down on offering no critical thinking by grouping people into stereotypes with no reference. It’s click bait coming off as insightful. Unfortunately, I fell for it.
*Offer no longer valid to MAGAts
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I prefer to call them MAGAristas.
i haven’t gotten to the feed of the archetypes yet, but i have to say that the title immediately made me think, “Nazi go brrrr”.
The question is not “Who goes MAGA?”.
The question is “Who will report me to the authorities after they hear me criticize the MAGA regime?”.
So those are some archetypes right there. i’d only add the flerfers/alt-history/alien theorists et al who definitely have pipelines built right in to the Belief Systems.
I enjoyed this. I’m seeing at least one other category, though. You refer to Facebook Moms, but I think there is a subset of married women who adopt MAGA because their husbands do, mainly out of a need to keep their husbands calm and feeling supported. It’s just easier to go along with it, to believe in it. They’re women who don’t think they (or any women, actually) matter. I know too many of these women, “radicalized” by their husbands, or to be more specific, by their husbands’ need for MAGA. (I am so thankful that my sisters have escaped this and simply live in “mixed” marriages. I credit our parents for being caring people and for teaching us it’s ok to have different opinions. I often tell my students that they shouldn’t be afraid to express disagreement with me in the classroom because in my house growing up, argument was a love language.)
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Everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi!
That was meme 10 years ago. Who do you have to be an utter caricature of an unhinged lefty?
Most of the country disagrees with you, agrees with MAGA, and is quite happy with what the administration is doing (which is all quite legal, btw, despite your silly claims). Grow up and deal with it.
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Blah blah blah, yeah yeah yeah.
Decent, non-fascist human beings: Unhinged lefty.
Your sort lost any hinges they ever might have had so long ago, you don’t even know what a hinge is.
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“It was a meme, so it must be true!” That meme was dismissive propaganda when it was first uttered. It’s that pithy simplistic reasoning that pretends it’s clever because it contains no acknowledgement of nuance or complexity. That’s exactly the black and white MAGA mind in a nutshell. You can’t handle nuance. It’s all just “us good, you bad.” And it’s another confession in the form of an accusation. MAGA believes that anyone who isn’t with them is a radical leftist communist terrorist muslim atheist. Trump has literally accused his own judicial appointees of being radical.
It’s not “everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi,” rather it’s “some people actually are fascists and I disagree with them and anyone else who enables them.” And the term isn’t just an insult meaning “I don’t like this person.” It actually has a meaning that can actually be applied to the actions and beliefs of the people being thus labeled. They are right wing authoritarians who vilify minorities, violate human rights, criminalize or control media, appeal to reactionary populist “traditions,” et al.
Claims like this only prove you live in an echo chamber where everyone you talk to is MAGA also. It doesn’t reflect the greater population.
“Among all U.S. adults, 16 percent now embrace the MAGA label, up slightly from 11 percent two years ago, but down from a peak of 20 percent in March.”
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-maga-poll-update-2082283
More accusation-confessions. “You live in an echo chamber!” shouts the man from within his echo chamber.
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[citation needed]
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If you stopped being Nazis, less people would call you Nazis. Musk just made Grok less ‘woke’, and it immediately showed its antisemitic core. Again.
I realize that all you anti intellectual, mouth breathing, marks no longer believe in science…but there are multiple poll aggregators that show Trump’s underwater in general, and on every one of his ‘core’ issues.
He’s already a failure, and once the impact of his incredibly stupid bill are felt, he’s going to be lucky if he loves though the earth if his former believers.
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Perhaps it’s best you toddle off back to fox need before you hurt yourself gramps.
The Canceled Microcelebrity
He made a name for himself in a media-related field. Perhaps he was a journalist, or a comedian, or an activist. He was an idealistic liberal, and his contributions spoke of promise and genuine principle.
Then came public criticism. He launched an app without thinking about its consequences and got lambasted. Rumors emerged that he had sexually harassed his female colleagues. Speaking engagements got protested. Employers got squeamish.
So he escaped into the self-soothing world of right-wing media, where he was astonished at how much audience he could pull just by virtue of his “cancelation.” He loves the way it feels to direct troll armies against all the scolds who brought him down. He’s probably not making as much as he used to at the big media institutions, but the constant affirmation and the frequent cushy speaking slots at right-wing events make up for that. Plus, he’s pretty sure the President referenced one of his bon mots in an executive order last week. He may not share MAGA’s principles, or maybe the conspiracies have finally melted his brain. Either way, it feels too good to soak in MAGA’s resentments to ever go back.
Pardon me if I find the search for crypto-fascists a bit drole in a world with very-much-not-crypto-fascists running around doing the loud-part-out-loud mask-off big fascism in plain sight on the nightly news.
The Wellness Influencer
I just watched one of these die from cancer that she ignored for years, and then treated “naturally” because evil Pharma and other such ignorance. It wasn’t pretty.
Re: It's happened before
Steve Jobs was a victim of wellness.
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Everyone died of Pancreatic cancer then…macrobiotic or not..chemo or not!
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It’s worse when their innocent young children die.
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I’d like a link to that story if you’re not talking about Paloma Shemirani, who was actually the daughter of a so-called “wellness” influencer whose ideas indirectly led to her daughter’s death from cancer.
I’m reminded of an anecdote I heard once about a guy thry once knew. 35-year old dad of two and with a stable marriage and economy, completely unassuming. White collar job and good gathering of friends. Not American or in America. Goes completely batshit around the time of QAnon and falls hard into that crowd, wildly sharing conspiracies on Facebook and all. Nothing to indicate he’d fly off the handle like this, but somehow it was just the right mix of rhetoric and conspiracy to ensnare him completely.
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For The Machine
There was an interview a few years back, I forget the name of the fellow. Circa 2008, during the gay marriage debates, he said that he opposed same sex marriage but did support same-sex civil unions. His conservative acquaintances berated him, but his more liberal friends praised him for his tolerance.
Fast forward a few years to 2015, after the Obergefell v. Hodges supreme court decision, he maintained the same position, in that he opposed same sex marriage, but supported civil unions. Now his conservative friends praised his objective thinking, while his liberal colleagues called him a neanderthal.
Some people don’t change their positions, but political parties can. Back in the 1980s Trump would have been considered to be a JFK Democrat. Once upon a time, the political left was characterized by Rage Against The Machine, and it was cool. Now they are bedfellows with John Brennan.
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So what? Dude you’re talking about was a bigot both before and after Obergefell; the only thing that changed was that his position was less bigoted before Obergefell than it was after, which made him an outlier in a sea of anti-LGBT sentiment.
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Run away little Nazi. Before I make up another song about you.
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“Political parties can change” isn’t the deep intellectual argument you think it is.
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Wrong, his position was IDENTICAL both before and after. The voter was never convinced to support a change.
And there’s plenty of other issues which shifted on the political landscape. Some supported homeless shelters, but not open air drug dens. Others were willing to decriminalize weed, but opposed hard core drugs like fentanyl. Many were willing to give low level criminal offenders a second chance, but think that people who repeatedly get caught stealing from retail stores should spend time in prison.
A populist is giving the people what they always wanted. You are blaming voters, and your overplayed shame tactics are becoming ineffective.
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That’s my point, asshole. His position was bigoted before and after Obergefell because he didn’t believe gay people deserved the right to marry. It was more bigoted after Obergefell because rather than express a desire for progress towards marriage equality, his position expressed a desire to go backwards and strip gay people of the right to marry. That his position was seen as less bigoted before Obergefell is due entirely to the opposition to same-sex marriage being so adamant against it happening that they were also ready to stop civil unions from happening. Once marriage equality became the law of the land, his position was more bigoted, and for good fucking reason.
He’s giving a portion of the populace all the fascism they ever wanted. I sure as shit didn’t want a fucking gestapo in the middle of public parks in Los Angeles or tariffs raising prices on everything.
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Hey Stephen how bout you stop enabling the Nazi’s propaganda.
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Unless you’re God—and I highly doubt that you are—your demands mean nothing to me.
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No one demanded anything bro, so maybe come down off that high horse before you fall off it.
At this point koby is Lucy, you’re Charlie Brown and the football is a good faith argument. And it’s just sad to watch you fall for it over, and over, and over again.
Now please feel free to make well written, well formatted response that will just ultimately prove my point.
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Yeah, you don’t get a heckler’s veto here.
Koby isn’t setting a trap that we’re falling for. No one is under the illusion that Koby will ever argue in good faith. He’s a troll spamming bullshit and it’s worthwhile to some people to counter that bullshit with more speech. If you disagree, you don’t have to read or respond to Koby or anyone who refutes his bullshit.
Ironically, you’re proving your point wrong because otherwise you would be falling for it too by responding to Stephen. This is an own goal of epic proportions. Not responding to trolls doesn’t make them go away, in case you haven’t been on the internet in the last 30 years.
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Stephen is a big boy and despite his inability to take criticism, he don’t need you to white knight for him.
Stephen constantly acts like he’s going to get an honest answer out of k-dawg, and it’s just fucking sad to see. And while it is true I am a heckler, I only heckle people who are acting a fool.
Unironically, thank you for falling into my trap by responding to me responding to Stephen responding to me responding to Stephen responding to koby.
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So you’re going with the pigeon chess strategy and the rule of goats. It is sad to see you pretend like your trolling is some kind of victory. “You responded, therefore I win!” Do you think the sun will rise tomorrow if you tell it to, or is it just the most basic pattern recognition that it rises every day and people respond to comments on the internet? That’s not a trap, that’s how people communicate, dumbass.
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Did you have your sense of humour surgically removed or did 30 years on the internet sand it off?
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Do you think it’s possible there isn’t one form of humor and others might not share in your preferred form? If you’re not making others laugh, maybe your jokes aren’t as funny as you think…? I get enough funny upvotes so other people seem to find me humorous enough for their own judgment here. You’re welcome to your own perspective.
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I find your lack of a sense of humour incredibly humerous.
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Apparently I have to bone up on my dad jokes.
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This is sad on multiple levels. Even Koby knows enough to run away when he’s outclassed.
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And yet here you are charlie brown.
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Same to you, Pigpen.
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Must be real easy to look down your nose at people on that high horse of yours.
I am shit ass troll rolling in the mud but that don’t make me wrong.
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Still makes you a troll rolling in the muck, though. Not really the brightest pig in the sty, are you?
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Every accusation a confession.
Re: Re: Re:10 I am what I am
And here you are with me bro. Congrats you played yourself.
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Trolls thrive on being engaged and always have. Koby keeps posting because every time they make you mad, it’s a dopamine hit for ’em.
Flag and move on with your life, since TechDirt is philosophically committed to offloading moderation to its readerbase.
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And yet I’ve been on plenty of forums where trolls will troll regardless of engagement or even getting banned. This is a common assumption that people just repeat without verification.
Possibly, but that might not be the full picture. Pretending you understand Koby, Stephen, or me is presumptuous.
You seem to assume there’s no value to others in responding to trolls and countering their bullshit. You’re free to continue to assume that. Others are free to ignore you as well. Others are free to observe that some of the most insightful comments have come from the juxtaposition of a reality check against a troll’s gaslighting. You mileage may vary.
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This guy/gal/they/them gets it.
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I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Not because I’m stupid, but because you are.
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An annoyingly popular smokescreen. People who are genuinely worried about fentanyl abuse ask “why do we have an opiod crisis?” – and that doesn’t lead to voting fascist. Voting for the Great Orange Devourer happens because you want a neat story about people that are to blame and just have to be removed.
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What I Think I see.
Is home schooled, Isolated, No other perspective, No concept of Alternative ways or means KIDs.
That all you need to do is point them At what needs to be Done, and they Wonder over nad Push buttons until you tell them to Stop.
These are Focused in 1 direction Slaves. If you told them to Dig a Hole, they would get down on the ground and Dig with their hands..At least a large percentage.
Then you get the ones that ALWAYS want to be on the wining side. NOT THE RIGHT SIDE, the WINNING side. About as Bad as the Lady that can always find a Fix, cause whe will do whats need4ed to get it.
As long as you are winning, you are doing Great. Right oR wrong makes no difference. Follow the leader.
Then the Wonders
As above but If they have abit of intelligence and Foresight, they Should leave after a time.
So much of this, Should be in our Schooling. The different type of Economic and Politic. Being able to see Both sides of the coin, and Why 1 form leads to the Next as the old ways Fail.
Then a little Debate/Drama, How to Express yourself. And YES, there are Tricks on speaking that can Hypnotize/make you Susceptible.(best way to see, is only to listen in Monotone.)
There are so many games being played, I dont know Which Dice, cards, D20’s, Jacks, balls or what to use to Watch or Play. Im just aware that when I see someone under 25 with a LARGE GRIN on their face, I wonder what drugs they are on.
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… someone could translate ECA’s posts into English. I often get the feeling that there’s something in there, but I’m damned if I can parse it out following the rules of any English variant that I know.
Sorry fella / lass. (delete as appropriate because I sure as hell can’t tell)
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Sometimes I think I get it, only to start wondering if I’m not experiencing some kind of pareidolia– only reading meanings I’m bringing to it, instead of actually getting out of it.
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Good list
Although we could easily write a similar one about people on the left. All the extremism is bad. Can’t everyone just be normal
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Oh shut the fuck up, piss dribble. The right kills people at a rate of 5-10 times more than the left, are less informed, scammed more often, and are universally the creator of shit hole welfare states. They are not both the same.
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I look forward to the link to your super awesome list that will totally happen bro.
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Yeah, I really hate those extreme leftists who [checks notes] advocate for unions, universal health care, universal education, living wages, justice, compassion, demilitarization, human rights, civil rights, free speech, renewable energy, anti-corruption legislation, money out of politics, etc. Just awful.
How much?
I reread Dorothy Thompson every couple of months to update my priors. This was brilliant. Truly fucking brilliant.
Please tell me how much I need to leave in the tip jar to get an additional paragraph that explains The Socially Liberal Hedge Fund Manager
Question re "Who Goes Maga"?
Great piece. One question. You said “that character isn’t fixed. People can change.” How do you know this? Political psychologist Karen Stenner says the authoritarian disposition is an enduring personality type, meaning it can’t be changed (karenstenner.com).
Who Goes MAGA?
To me, the fundamental reason, that underlies all of the characteristics, is these people were never taught to think critically. By parents, schooling, or life experience.
I read so much that articles get repetitive. This was a really novel bit to come across. Thanks.
What’s in it for them?
I’d like to trace the money on the transitions to MAGA.
A friend once posed a question to me what’s in it for them to make this transition? What was it that caused Lindsey Grahm, Rubio, Cruz or the influence peddlers to now push these
Is there a financial incentive to publish the conspiracy info, the MAHA stuff etc. growth industry that the get rich quick group latches onto?
Is it really being a truth teller or a quack seller of hopes and dreams?
Thoughts?
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Money is certainly a significant part of it for some of them but for the rank and file a large part I imagine is the validation from being told that being an asshole is not just accepted but normal, the ability to always look down on and blame an Other for everything bad that happens to you and never have to admit that you’re wrong since what is true is no longer linked to reality but what you want to be true.
How to grow and change - agree it's needed but too few know how
“The Pattern” identified the problem to perfection. The only thing I’d add is that you have to want to change which requires that queasy feeling of dissonance followed by the willingness to do a lot of self-reflection. I have been screaming this into the void for years and too many people still think they can make someone change simply by yelling back even louder.
Mike's "Who Goes MAGA?" - Request for permission to reprint
Mike, “Who Goes MAGA?” is a very insightful and useful catalogue. May we reprint it (with attribution and link) for our readers at WhoWhatWhy? I think it would be well received and help introduce our readers to Techdirt.
Many thanks and best regards – Jon
"released them from the constraints of empirical reality"
That’s a fantastic summation
Great update, and, …
I’ve been re-reading the original “Who Goes Nazi” periodically and this is a great update with details for modern equivalents. I’d only ask, if length limits permit, to have more details of the people who will never go MAGA — how do you tell? What do they have that the others do not? This is a critical life skill now.
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There are a number of patterns I’ve seen:
Critical thinking skills, interest in research, verification, and not being prone to assuming you will ever know enough to be over-confident and able to ignore new sources of information.
But this also entails not allowing your “skepticism” to become its own self-brainwashing. It’s good to question things, but some people take the concept as free license to just believe whatever you want or whatever confirms your biases instead of believing only that which you have evidence for and being willing to adjust that belief with new information. This also includes being comfortable with not drawing conclusions when you don’t have enough information to do so.
A desire for authentic relationships rather than simplistic symbolic ones like how politics has become a team sport to the point that “us good, them bad,” and “hey, you’re wearing the same hat as me!” substitutes for a genuine connection and sense of community.
This also means not holding a position to the detriment of your values, but rather holding to your values consistently. Don’t have heroes. There might be people you agree with in politics, but if it was revealed tomorrow that they were horrible people, you’d still be consistent to hold your beliefs rather than compromise them to hold onto your team’s reputation. There are no teams. You value justice and compassion and you oppose greed and hate and bigotry and injustice in whatever forms they take.
Often they’re people who have been traumatized or abused by traditionalist and authoritarian systems, such as conservative religious hierarchies and systemic bigotry against ethnic and LGBTQ minorities, so they’re already experienced with and wary of what that entails.
If you grew up brainwashed in a religious system and then later deprogrammed yourself in your adulthood, you’ve likely developed an allergic reaction to the similar simplistic reasoning that gets asserted with utmost confidence and expectation of orthodoxy compliance.
An amount of knowledge of history is useful, especially since people will try to spin history for the benefit of their own propaganda. I’ve seen conservatives claim protesters who oppose genocide and injustice are supposedly the real fascists because they like to pretend the term just means “people I disagree with.” I’ve seen gun enthusiasts pretend Hitler was anti-gun, so you’re supposedly a fascist if you oppose right wing bigots having tons of guns and ammo. Of course research will show Hitler did take guns from his political enemies, but actually rescinded Weimar Republic laws relating to gun control and he encouraged and armed people who followed him.
Being well educated or at least willing to do the research can be useful for developing a reflex that triggers when you hear bullshit.
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Cute. But facile bullshit that serves to do the same thing as the accusation of the first archetype. How does this help anything? Let’s spend our energy building bridges not lazily conjuring up stereotypes of people we can now give ourselves permission to dismiss.
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You know what you call people who build bridges with fascists? Fascists.
If they were worth building bridges with, they wouldn’t be cheering on genocide. You can’t compromise with people who dehumanize the least of us. They will keep walking further away while demanding you meet them half way. And that path will be littered with the corpses of at best their indifference, at worst their gleeful encouragement.
Why are you suggesting they can be reasoned with? You’re either naive or you’re disingenuous.
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But we clearly have to reason with them because as the greatest minds of TD say, violence against them makes you as bad, or worse than them! They are still fellow citizens and anything that goes beyond making them slightly inconvenienced is wrong and means you just want a civil war!
Heartwarming, optimistic note: success. Thanks!
Thanks, Mike, for the Those Who Won’t section closing your article.
It made me misty-eyed as I read thru it, recognizing that, scattered across this country, good people with good ethics, critical thinking and independence exist. As you note, those who fall for Fascism aren’t necessarily of any one social/legal group, they’re of a character or (non) intellectual type.
It lead to your The Pattern closing section, which I found positive, optimistic and actionable. Transcendent of some of the other solutions that focus much on Red/Blue, Class or Identity. Not to say that these aren’t important: they’re vital, and crucial to moving forward and defeating these “interesting times” we’re living. Many of these grassroots efforts and outreach require these more traditional organizing approaches, they’re among the knives we must bring to the upcoming (?) knife fight.
But, more broadly, as you note, we also need to find those of us sharing deeper, more internal differences. Irrespective of the usual labels, it’s:
That… Honestly, even if we didn’t live in such fraught times, that is a prescription for a better society, a better nation, and a better world. Something we should all reach for. And it’s something that’s achievable (over a longer-time horizon).
You gave me hope, Mike. Thanks for that!
Nah
Mike. Clearly you’re the guy trying to be the smartest guy in the room – MAGA soon fo you
Donald Trump fucked my wife!!! Well, ex-wife now.
Truly the update we needed!
This was a great updating on her column, which I think everyone should read at least once for knowing the enemy.
It’s brilliant.
There are layers upon layers of people who will go or have gone MAGA-among which is the ‘tradwife TikTok influencer (a twin sister of the other one you mentioned) who has gone that route.
But this paragraph stands out above the rest of it:
“MAGA appeals to people who need to feel special, who need enemies to blame, who need simple answers to complex problems. It attracts those who mistake confidence for competence, who confuse being loud with being right, who think that admitting uncertainty is weakness.”
All those Karens and Chads we’ve encountered in real life or read about are essentially MAGA.
But you forgot one very important part about them: they’re racist and sexist to the core.
It’s why we got Trump instead of that black prosecutor named Kamala Harris.
Simple times appeals to MAGA’s, when ‘one knew their place in the world and didn’t step over that line.’
But one more quote, and this one is just as profound and it applies to MAGA.
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”
LBJ.
He was right then and now.