Mexico Threatens To Sue Google Over ‘Gulf Of America’ Change

from the why-is-everyone-an-idiot? dept

America, which used to be a serious country run by adults, has since devolved into something else. We were just talking about how the White House had made the brilliant decision to bar AP News reporters from all kinds of official briefings. Why? Well, because the AP refused to update its influential Stylebook to refer to the Gulf of Mexico by its newly dictated and entirely made up name, the “Gulf of America.” That’s when this all moved beyond pure pettiness and into our realm, as this is both dangerous from a general freedom of speech and the press capacity, but also about as clear a First Amendment violation as you’re going to see.

But that doesn’t mean that the pettiness has ended, of course. Nor does it mean that such pettiness on an international level won’t reveal just how small too many very important world leaders are. To whit: the Mexican government has indicated that it plans to sue Google over the reflection of the name change in Google Maps. And while that sounds picayune enough on its own, you really have to read some of the comments from these government officials to appreciate just how stupid this all is.

“What Google is doing here is changing the name of the continental shelf of Mexico and Cuba, which has nothing to do with Trump’s decree, which applied only to the US continental shelf,” [President] Sheinbaum told reporters. “We do not agree with this, and the Foreign Minister has sent a new letter addressing the issue.”

Sheinbaum said the renaming is “incorrect,” adding that Trump’s decree “only changed the name within his own continental shelf, which extends 22 nautical miles from the US coast—not the entire Gulf.”

Yes, pointing out just how small and petty Trump’s executive order is would be pretty great… were it not then followed by a sovereign nation taking the time to officially send letters to Google over it. Notably, Google only really changed the naming for those searching from within the United States. If you’re in Mexico and you Google map this body of water, it’s labeled “Gulf of Mexico.” That doesn’t make the re-labeling in America any less stupid, of course, especially when you consider that in every other country beyond these two, the map will display both names. As though they were historically co-equal.

Again, very stupid. And very small. So small, in fact, that Mexico isn’t even demanding that Google simply respect the historical name of this body of water, one that has stood for literal centuries. No, they just want Google to push the boundry back a bit.

Sheinbaum said Mexico is now sending a new letter back to Google, which reads “any reference to the ‘Gulf of America’ initiative on your Google Maps platform must be strictly limited to the marine area under U.S. jurisdiction.”

“Any extension beyond that zone exceeds the authority of any national government or private entity. Should that be the case, the Government of Mexico will take the appropriate legal actions as deemed necessary,” it added.

I promise you, Trump is absolutely delighted at this reaction. He wants this fight. His base will eat it up and the idea that Mexico is going to get anywhere legally here is absurd. Where are they going to file suit? What court would be authoritative for something like this?

And, perhaps most importantly, why can’t we just name it the “Gulf of Who Gives A Shit?” and be done with all of this?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

Thanks. I am somewhat familiar with Eric Goldman’s writings, but I don’t think he wrote anything about the latest anti-section-230 bill.

An earlier part of the thread went like this:

this doesn’t mean it will immediately pass

According to Goldmann it would, but his word also isn’t law.

And I hoped that the doomposter wasn’t putting words in Goldman’s mouth or talking about a different “Goldmann”.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

First, the Republicans have a federal trifecta (majorities in both legislative chambers plus the presidency). Second, Section 230’s reputation has continued to slide. As a result, there is almost no member of Congress who would vote against a Section 230 repeal, Democrat or Republican. A Section 230 repeal bill would pass with supermajorities in both chambers–the Senate filibuster would not save it.

Ok, I understand now. Thanks for the link. I do appreciate that you keep track of Section 230, but in the future please don’t pretend that Section 230 is more relevant to an Techdirt article than it really is. Google’s decision to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America was Google’s first-party speech (for now, because Trump might think of coercing Google if Google does an about face), and Mexico has its own laws.

Anonymous Coward says:

And, perhaps most importantly, why can’t we just name it the “Gulf of Who Gives A Shit?” and be done with all of this?

Uh, refer back to the previous paragraph. Trump likes attention, and “who gives a shit?” is kind of the opposite of that (though still a minor Trump victory, ’cause anyone ignoring this nonsense would be calling it the Gulf of Mexico).

Just be happy that some deviously brilliant White House staffer has managed to temporarily distract Trump from shit that matters.

Anonymous Coward says:

And, perhaps most importantly, why can’t we just name it the “Gulf of Who Gives A Shit?” and be done with all of this?

Uh, refer back to the previous paragraph. Trump likes attention, and “who gives a shit?” is kind of the opposite of that (though still a minor Trump victory, ’cause anyone ignoring this nonsense would be calling it the Gulf of Mexico).

Just be happy that some deviously brilliant White House staffer has managed to temporarily distract Trump from shit that matters.

Kane says:

Mexico missing an opportunity here.

Apparently Google said that they follow the respective laws of the country in which the maps are displayed in relation to how maps are displayed.

Mexico should take the opportunity to officially rename the United States of America to something more suitable like Little Mexico, or Moron Land.
Then they can demand that Google display this in Mexico.

This would really piss off the orange baboon.

Anonymous Coward says:

Notably, Google only really changed the naming for those searching from within the United States.

Not quite true. From Germany, it’s labeled “Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)”.

Personally, I think it is a good decision to sue Google here. Not because the EO was petty and stupid, but because Google complied with it, without any resistance or legal requirement to do so. Mexico suing them might, at the very least, force the issue of whether these EO supersede actual laws.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Personally, I think it is a good decision to sue Google here. Not because the EO was petty and stupid, but because Google complied with it, without any resistance or legal requirement to do so.

But what basis is there to sue someone for following a non-legally-binding suggestion? How would that make any sense? If I suggest you take a trip to Mexico, and you like the idea and do it, should the Canadian tourism board be suing you because you didn’t protest?

Nemo_bis (profile) says:

Jurisdiction

Where are they going to file suit? What court would be authoritative for something like this?

I don’t see where’s the difficulty. They can start from a court in Mexico and continue from there, like Brazil did for X/Twitter. No doubt Google has already calculated such litigation risk as part of their cost of doing business in many jurisdictions.

Anonymous Coward says:

“America, which used to be a serious country run by adults, has since devolved into something else. …: No truer sentence will I read this month, maybe this year. And we wanna give our sincere thanks to the cadre of Dumbfucks, enough of them to give fat trump his 0.2% landslide mandate to take over Amerika and run it his way–this about a guy who actually went broke as a Casino Owner, for God’s sakes! Just give the average Amerikan Dumbfuck a night with Dancing With The Stars, a case of Pabst Blue Ribbon, a wife to love-slap and a dog to kick down the stairs (wife and dog being somewhat interchangeable), and he’s dumb, dumber and droolingly happy, while Stable Genius dotard fat trump does all the thinking. And of course, as a guy said to me yesterday: when someone invests $250 Million into an enterprise, he thus owns the enterprise (looking at you, Muskrat!). So we are all now beholden to a South African Apartheid magnate with questionable immigration status, as my fellow oldpharrt seniors try to imagine what and how we’ll do without the Social Security fortunes, into which we paid for forty-to-sixty years running. Have a Nice Day, and a Happy Sieg Heil MAGA to you!

btr1701 (profile) says:

Made-Up Name

“…the AP refused to update its influential Stylebook to refer to the Gulf of Mexico by its newly dictated and entirely made up name, the “Gulf of America.”

The Gulf of Mexico is an entirely made-up name as well. Do you think these geographical names occur naturally as part of the tectonic evolution of the earth or something?

MrWilson (profile) says:

Re:

Do you think everyone calls every location a completely different name all the time or maybe names are used that are commonly used and agreed on. Trump just arbitrarily decided to start calling a body of water by a new name that he has no authority to rename nor had anyone else been calling it by that name.

But sure, defend newspeak as if it’s not weird or authoritarian. Simp for that boot.

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