The $1M Question: Is Elon Musk’s ‘Petition’ Drive Actually Legal?

from the just-flip-the-parties dept

Remember a few weeks ago when Elon Musk misleadingly claimed that George Soros was secretly “buying a propaganda machine to influence how you think”? Can you imagine the kind of shitstorm that would be playing out on ExTwitter and Fox News if George Soros were out there offering $1 million per day to people to sign a petition and encouraging them to vote?

It would be pandemonium.

But, it’s actually Elon Musk who is doing it and the press coverage seems pretty muted. Over the last few weeks, Elon has been offering smaller payments to get people to sign a petition the PAC he created was pushing. Originally, he was offering $47 to anyone in a swing state if they referred a friend to sign his petition. Then he upped that offer to $100 to anyone in Pennsylvania.

Over the weekend, though, he got a lot more attention by promising to give away $1 million each day until the election to a “random” signatory of the petition. Each day the giveaway will be in a different battleground area:

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He claims he’s doing this to “maximize awareness of our petition to support The Constitution.”

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The “petition” itself is a joke. There’s no “petition” at all. It just says that it’s a “petition in favor of free speech and the right to bear arms.” But there is no indication of who the petition is for. There is no further text of the petition beyond what I quoted. It’s literally just the following:

The First and Second Amendments guarantee freedom of speech and the right to bear arms. By signing below, I am pledging my support for the First and Second Amendments.

The idea that Elon Musk supports the First Amendment is laughable, given that he has regularly acted in ways that suppress free speech, including suing multiple critics for their free speech. He remains actively engaged in at least three cases where he sued people and organizations over their speech.

But, more to the point, this isn’t an actual “petition.” It’s a scammy “get out the vote” effort at a time when the Trump campaign has handed a large portion of its “get out the vote” effort to Elon, and that’s reportedly been flailing. Again, nothing is being done with the petition except that it is being used to collect names, addresses, and email addresses which Elon’s team can use to push people to vote:

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It’s traditional list building. By framing it as being about “the First and Second Amendment,” they’re expecting to find likely Trump voters (though it’s possible that the $1 million lottery might incentivize non-Trump supporters to sign just for the hell of it, polluting the list). The fact that you have to be “registered to vote” in a swing state to receive the payout makes it clear that this is a petition about voting, and that appears to make it illegal.

On Saturday, Rick Hasen, one of the leading election law experts in the world, wrote that it was clear this violates election law designed to stop vote buying, as the law applies to paying people to entice them to register:

Though maybe some of the other things Musk was doing were of murky legality, this one is clearly illegal. See 52 U.S.C. 10307(c): “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…” (Emphasis added.)

See also the DOJ Election Crimes Manual at 44: “The bribe may be anything having monetary value, including cash, liquor, lottery chances, and welfare benefits such as food stamps. Garcia, 719 F.2d at 102. However, offering free rides to the polls or providing employees paid leave while they vote are not prohibited. United States v. Lewin, 467 F.2d 1132, 1136 (7th Cir.1972). Such things are given to make it easier for people to vote, not to induce them to do so. This distinction is important. For an offer or a payment to violate Section 10307(c), it must have been intended to induce or reward the voter for engaging in one or more acts necessary to cast a ballot.… Moreover, payments made for some purpose other than to induceor reward voting activity, such as remuneration for campaign work, do not violate this statute. See United States v. Canales 744 F.2d 413, 423 (5th Cir. 1984) (upholding conviction because jury justified in inferring that payments were for voting, not campaign work). Similarly, Section 10307(c) does not apply to payments made to signature-gatherers for voter registrations such individuals may obtain. However, such payments become actionable under Section 10307(c) if they are shared with the person being registered.” (Emphases added.)

Another legal expert, campaign finance lawyer Brendan Fischer, told the NY Times that this was “alarming”:

“I thought the initial arrangement was lawful because the PAC was just paying one person who referred another person to sign a petition that itself made no reference to registration or voting. The latest version of this plan comes much closer to the legal line,” he said. “There would be few doubts about the legality if every Pennsylvania-based petition signer were eligible, but conditioning the payments on registration arguably violates the law, which prohibits giving anything of value to induce or reward a person for registering to vote.”

I am sure that Musk, Trump, and their supporters will insist that this isn’t vote buying, since it’s not about voting, just about “awareness of the petition.” But the only purpose behind the petition is to build a list for get out the vote efforts. And the inclusion of the voter registration in a swing state to be eligible for a payout kinda gives away the game.

Again, I challenge literally anyone who supports this to say they’d be totally fine with George Soros doing the same thing. If they won’t respond affirmatively to that, they are admitting they are full of shit.

While the fines for violating this law are small ($10,000), they can also include up to five years in prison. I doubt Musk is seriously facing time behind bars (he’s rich, the law doesn’t apply to him), it is notable.

Just a few weeks ago, Musk made one of his conspiracy theory nonsense claims about how if Harris won the election, she might throw him in jail. That was such a stupid claim at the time, because that’s not how any of this works. And, if Harris is (as Musk & crew assert) just a continuation of Joe Biden’s administration, the Biden admin has not only not thrown Musk in jail, they’ve given him billions of dollars in contracts.

But maybe what Elon really meant was that he was going to break the law as much as possible to try to support Trump and that’s why he would end up in jail if Harris won…

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Anonymous Coward says:

It is all highly questionable behavior and probably something illegal going on there. In addition I wonder if this is simply a money laundering operation combined with a method for making a payoff.

I doubt that an ordinary citizen of unknown voting preference will be given a million dollars with no strings attached. Do the participants need to be registered republican on order to be eligible for the cool mil?

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TasMot (profile) says:

Doesn't matter to Musk, he will be treated to High Court Rules

EVEN if Musk ever came to trial for this, it won’t matter. He is not a commoner, so this will go to the High Court and get a wrist slap. Either there is enough buffers to keep him out of it (The PAC did it, not me), or he will (and/or Trump) will get a wrist slap and be told “stop that (ha, ha)”.

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Anonymous Coward says:

My trainers say it's illegal

(volunteer voter registrar)

We were taught that under no circumstances could we induce or attempt to induce anyone to register to vote, let alone to vote, let alone to vote any particular way. Our role is to register anyone who wishes to be registered, and to do so according to federal and state election laws (which govern things like proof of identity). That’s it.

This means, for example, that while I can sit at a table outside a sporting event with a sign that says “register to vote here”, I cannot initiate a conversation with anyone passing by in an attempt to get them to register. I have to passively wait until they initiate the process, and then of course I can converse with them, explain how it’s done, go through the process, etc.

Yes, I know: following the law is for the raggedy poor people, not for the rich elite. But this is yet another reason Musk should be stripped of everything and deported. The US doesn’t need this malignant cancer.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

I prefer due process as well, but there is no due process for the rich. That’s why Trump isn’t in jail right now, even though he organized an attempt to overthrow the government of the United States, and why Jeffrey Epstein walked free for decades while everyone knew exactly what he was, and why (cite the examples of your choice).

Should it be this way? No, of course not. We should all be equally subject to the law. But it is this way, and it’s not going to change because too many rich and powerful people want it to stay as it is, and so I’ve given up waiting and hoping for it. I just want them gone, and I no longer care how it’s done. It’s great to stand on principle, but not when it leads to the destruction of this country, and that is EXACTLY what billionaires like Musk are trying to do.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Sadly true. The ultra-rich who rule the United States are intent on its destruction (because of course that won’t affect them, other than to increase their wealth and power) and they don’t care how many of us are killed or pushed into lives of utter misery as a result.

We didn’t create this situation: they did. Their greed and egos and sociopathy made this reality.

So now we face a choice: either we get rid of them — by whatever means — and confiscate/redistribute their wealth — or our country will die, and most of us will die.

It’s a shitty choice. But it’s the one we face, and we don’t have the luxury of concerning ourselves with high moral principles like due process because this is a matter of survival.

It’s either us or them. Only one group will survive. And as far as I’m concerned, the less than one thousand US billionaires are expendable, for the sake of more than 300 million people.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

“It’s either us or them”

There is more than one way to do things. The above is a false dichotomy.

We could start by establishing the fact that not all people with vast resources are complete failures at being human beings.

Far too many humans are quick to violence rather than being cool minded they resort to the only thing they know – violence.

Anonymous Coward says:

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under no circumstances could we induce or attempt to induce anyone to register to vote, let alone to vote, let alone to vote any particular way

Paying people to vote in a particular way (which is what “buying votes” normally means) is very different from paying them to vote. Why should it be illegal to pay people to register to vote, or to vote for whomever the individual voter chooses?

As for banning “inducing”, that seems absurd and I can’t imagine any court upholding a conviction for that. Like, I walk by some people on voting day, yell “hey, it’s voting day, go vote!”, and go to prison for it? “Get out the vote” efforts have been going on for decades and I haven’t heard anything about it being illegal.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

“Why should it be illegal to pay people to register to vote”

I am not aware of the particulars used in the determination of its legality, but I am aware of the position(s) taken by many within government and business with regard to the appearance of impropriety .. it is to avoided.

You may be totally legal and yet it looks bad .. you do not do it. It is that simple. This is what the worker bees are told. Oh yeah, and the workers are required to sign multiple documents to this effect annually.

Anonymous Coward says:

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You may be totally legal and yet it looks bad .. you do not do it. It is that simple.

Okay, that makes sense if you’re talking about election workers specifically; but then the penalty would not be a fine or jail time, it would be getting fired. Which leaves the broader question of whether it makes sense for it to be actually illegal, and for people who aren’t election workers. We know that Musk doesn’t mind the look of impropriety at all (nor actual illegality, as we saw with the FTC).

Anonymous Coward says:

I see two things there:

One, Elon’s counting on the fact that he isn’t tying this directly to voting as being his “get out of jail free” card — end result is that he’s likely not going to jail over this.

Two,

shall be fined not more than $10,000

Considering he’s paying out $1mil per week, I’m sure he’d be more than happy to pay $10k should it come to that. The penalties to breaking these laws are meaningless to Elon.

Anonymous Coward says:

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I suppose it depends how many counts he could be charged on. If it’s just one for each winner, then no big deal for Musk. But winning isn’t what induces people to register; they register for the chance to win, so if it’s a $10,000 fine per person who registered in order to sign his non-petition, it could get expensive.

Anonymous Coward says:

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if it’s a $10,000 fine per person who registered in order to sign his non-petition, it could get expensive.

Let’s say it’s a million counts. That’s still “only” 10 billion dollars. Musk has 247 billion according to Forbes, while the median American wealth is $107,000 per adult (per Wikipedia’s list). In other words, a median single-instance violater could pay 9% of net worth, while Musk would pay 4%.

The total population of the listed swing states is about 60 million, though of course some of those people are below voting age or are otherwise not eligible. Musk could be bankrupted if every eligible voter signed up, and the maximum fine were applied, but that seems exceedingly unlikely. Even the largest 4 American tobacco companies “only” had to pay $206 billion (between the 4 of them, and over 25 years).

Anonymous Coward says:

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Musk doesn’t have $247B, he’s just worth that on paper.

So what? Courts often fine people more money than they actually have, on paper or otherwise. Should they hold back, out of pity that Musk might have to sell Twitter? There are probably a lot of people who wish it would be sold.

Note that the comparison point, the wealth of $107,000 per adult, is also just on paper. That would include, for example, 401(k) plans, which are legally protected from most judgments and garnishing.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Two truisms apply here:

1) Every accusation a confession, every self-given label a rejection of.

Of course the person who turned his dumpsterfire of a social media platform into a platform to push his preferred (convicted felon) candidate, and created a lotto to collect personal data for campaign purposes to push people to register and vote accused someone else of spending a bunch of money to create a ‘propaganda machine’, the best way to know what a republican is doing/wants to do/plans on doing is merely to pay attention to what they claim someone else is doing.

2) Laws are for the little people.

Is it possible that he’s breaking the law here? Absolutely. Will he face any penalty whatsoever beyond a wrist slap at most if he is and is found guilty in court? Not a chance in hell and he knows it.

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David says:

Again you are confusing your standards with theirs

Again, I challenge literally anyone who supports this to say they’d be totally fine with George Soros doing the same thing. If they won’t respond affirmatively to that, they are admitting they are full of shit.

Trumpians are not “admitting” they are full of shit but boasting they are full of shit, and they are competing whose diarrhea leaves the highest marks on the wall when they unplug their sycophants for a second.

It’s not a “confession” when they shout it to the world and dare you to find anybody worse.

They hold themselves to their standards, and they hold you to your standards. It’s their manner of supporting diversity.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

One of the richest men in the world trying to bribe people into voting for Donald Trump, or rewarding people who voted for Trump, shows us exactly how that man⁠—and the Trump campaign, when you think about it⁠—really feels about the chances of Trump winning the election. They wouldn’t be this open with their corruption if they truly believed Trump was going to win.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

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If republicans thought that the majority of people agreed with them and their ideas, and that the majority of people would vote accordingly at the poles they wouldn’t spend so much time, effort and money attempting to rig things in their favor.

Someone who believes that they will win honestly doesn’t feel the need to cheat.

David says:

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They wouldn’t be this open with their corruption if they truly believed Trump was going to win.

I don’t see that, really. Trump is the “stay out of jail” card for corrupt people including himself, so this brazen display of criminal corruption is definitely a sign they believe in Trump winning the election and pardoning and otherwise rewarding everyone who had committed crimes advancing his interest.

Because if Trump doesn’t win, the slowly grinding wheels of justice would eventually catch up with them.

They are confident this won’t happen.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Nothing kills a campaign like complacency

So long as there’s a non-zero chance that he might, and with the US’s broken voting system where a candidate can lose the popular vote by literally millions and still win an election no matter how low you or anyone else thinks his odds are you/they should vote as though it’s a very real, very possible chance.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

So long as there’s a non-zero chance that he might, and with the US’s broken voting system where a candidate can lose the popular vote by literally millions and still win an election no matter how low you or anyone else thinks his odds are…

Shut up, blue state loser who’s butthurt that crime-ridden Democrat-controlled hellholes like NYC and Los Angeles can’t dictate who assumes the office of the President!

Anonymous Coward says:

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One of the richest men in the world trying to bribe people into voting for Donald Trump, or rewarding people who voted for Trump

Is there evidence that Elon is bribing people to vote a certain way, rewarding them for doing so, or even doing anything like asking them to publish or send photos of their completed ballots?

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David says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Like Jim Crow laws and modern various disenfranchisement initiatives targetting regions with high population count and low average income or education, the returns are not absolute and cannot be lest you lose the pretense of caring about “vote legitimacy”.

One example are states where votes are deemed invalid when they don’t contain a date in a certain form even in cases where the date isn’t needed to establish the timely reception of a vote. This is a modern version of Jim Crow “literacy tests” that were intended to affect undesirable votes more than desirable ones.

In general, whenever there is a hubbub about “legitimate votes” that doesn’t immediately correspond to “citizen legally entitled to vote”, you have to assume that the actual purpose is not “securing our elections” but putting the thumbs on the scales regarding the vote results.

I am living in Germany where all ballots are hand-counted, and every ballot is to be counted where the intent of the voter is discernible with reasonable confidence. That includes ballots marked unconventionally, or those which have been obviously first marked in error and corrected in a manner making clear the ultimate intent.

There are no hoops you have to jump through that would result in “too bad, no vote for you”. If the intent is reasonably discernible, the vote counts.

Mail-in ballots are in separate envelopes containing a signed declaration on penalty of perjury that the vote is cast by the undersigner (and receiver of the ballot). People will be notified of clerical errors (like missing signatures), true. They can come in and fix them.

Fraud is pretty much non-existent since it achieves little and comes with severe penalties.

But the decisive thing here is that there is no concept of disenfranchising voters for not meeting a particular threshold of paperwork affinity.

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Anonymous Coward says:

You fuckers are just envious that you don’t live in swing states and can’t cash in.

I and most of my family and friends voted by mail weeks ago, yet we were all able to sign-up and refer each other on the petition. One friend stands to collect $1,000 just in referral fees, and his wife $600–yet they both already voted!

I repeat: you’re just envious [and you have Elon Derangement Syndrome].

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Anonymous Coward says:

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and for that 1k they get your contact info and sell it multiple times to anyone willing to pay.

Enjoy your spam-a-thon

Go fuck yourself, retдrd. As if I haven’t maintained 20+ Google Voice numbers for the past 15 years that I just dump all the sign-up shit into, and 20+ Gmail accounts for the same.

Idiot.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Again, I challenge literally anyone who supports this to say they’d be totally fine with George Soros doing the same thing.

You’re such a dork, M^2.

I would LOVE IT if Soros did this instead of corrupting the actual politicians by donating obscene sums to their campaigns and fake civil society entities that are just fronts for laundering political-influence money.

In fact, I’d love it if EVERY billionaire did this. I’d GLADLY sign 100 petitions and refer my friends and family to the same at $100/pop. You’re an idiot.

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David says:

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Yup. All that “experts warn this could be problematic” stuff. This is illegal, simple as that.

The lottery is only available to registered voters, and it is only available to voters who will sign a vapid “I support First and Second Amendment” “petition” that is a favorite soundbite by people neither in favor of the First (“freedom of the press”) nor the Second (“well-regulated militia”) Amendment.

And there definitely is a positive correlation between being hypocritically full of pompous shit and voting Republican these days, so this is paying predominantly people leaning Republican to register for voting.

It’s illegal as heck.

IanW (profile) says:

buying a propaganda machine .. ?

..when Elon Musk misleadingly claimed that George Soros was secretly “buying a propaganda machine to influence how you think”

Maybe what we don’t know is that Musk has secretly agreed to sell his “propaganda machine”, eXTwitter, to Soros for a steal, sale to complete after the election.

That would make it Musk spending Soros’ money to buy votes! Soros influencing how you think is a minor consequence, inconsequential if Musk is successful in getting votes for Trump, since Trump will then shut eXTwitter down.

terribly tired (profile) says:

Personally I love it, regardless of legality. Something tells me the stable geniuses receiving said millions won’t tend to be the sort to know what to do with a sudden six-figure windfall.

I’m expecting a sudden influx of funny sob stories to laugh about once those folks start living beyond their means. It’s gonna be a train wreck, and it’s gonna be glorious.

Anonymous Coward says:

  1. This isn’t about campaign finance law: it’s about voter registration law(s).
  2. I’ve been through voter registration training 17 times, because I’m required to do it every year. (And because sometimes there are small changes.)
  3. We’re required to avoid impropriety AND the possible appearance of impropriety — because elections are important and it’s critical that every step of the election process be scrupulously fair.
  4. Which is why paying people to register to vote, or paying people to vote (even without regard for HOW they vote) is out of the question. Both open too many doors to bribery, blackmail, and corruption. (Same for paying people NOT to register or NOT to vote.)
  5. What Musk is doing is illegal, but as other comments have noted, it’s unlikely he’ll suffer any penalties for it. If I did it, I would expect to have already been indicted and arrested, and I would expect to be convicted, and I would expect to pay a large fine and go to prison.
Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

You have no training in campaign finance or other election law, volunteer poll worker.

You may have some basic instruction in what IDs are acceptable, when to ask for ID, when the polls open and close, within what distance electioneering is allowed at the polling place, when someone has to vote with a provisional ballot, etc.

But you have absolutely no relevant qualification to speak on matters relating to the activities of tax-exempt, independent, expenditure-only political action committees.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

You seem especially opposed to other AC offering their opinion based on their poll worker training. Why is that?

Also, how do you know what training, knowledge, and experience this person has, beyond their statement that they have been a poll worker?

/me puts tinfoil hat on – Just who do you work for? Maybe you don’t WANT the truth to get out regarding Dear Leader and Lord Elmo’s activities?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

You seem especially opposed to other AC offering their opinion based on their poll worker training. Why is that?

Because they’re deceiving readers into thinking they are qualified to speak of matters of campaign finance law.

Also, how do you know what training, knowledge, and experience this person has, beyond their statement that they have been a poll worker?

If they were an expert in campaign finance law and qualified to pronounce the activities of Musk’s super PAC “illegal,” then they would’ve stated their expertise and not relied on being a volunteer poll worker.

Maybe you don’t WANT the truth to get out regarding Dear Leader and Lord Elmo’s activities?

Pffffffffft.

Au contraire, mon frère. I want other billionaires like the evil, anti-American Jew Soros, and the other evil, anti-American Jew Chabenisky to fund similar petition drives that my family and friends and I can sign at $100/pop.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Because they’re deceiving readers into thinking they are qualified to speak of matters of campaign finance law.

Perhaps you can point to the law in question then? You seem to know exactly what it says.

I can point to 18 U.S. Code § 597 for example, which explicitly states it’s a crime to buy votes – and that law has can tangentially have a connection to campaign finance laws, 52 U.S. Code Chapter 301, if campaign funds are used to buy votes.

And the person above who explained what was expected of a poll worker probably referred to 18 U.S. Code § 595 and the US Election Assistance Commission Election Worker Laws & Statues.

So, how about you put-up or shut-up because so far all we seen from you is “you are wrong!!!” without one single big of supporting evidence which implies you are just flinging poo around like a petulant monkey.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Because they’re deceiving readers into thinking they are qualified to speak of matters of campaign finance law.

As qualified as a lawyer who specializes in campaign finance law? No. More qualified than a random guy on the street? Probably.

At any rate, they weren’t claiming to be an expert; just to have some basic knowledge about this basic part of it.

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