Senate To Kids: We’ll Listen To You When You Agree With Us On KOSA

from the listen-to-the-children...-not-those-kids dept

Apparently, Congress only “listens to the children” when they agree with what the kids are saying. As soon as some kids oppose something like KOSA, their views no longer count.

It’s no surprise given the way things were going, but the Senate today overwhelmingly passed KOSA by a 91 to 3 vote. The three no votes were from Senators Ron Wyden, Rand Paul, and Mike Lee.

There are still big questions about whether the House will follow suit, and, if so, how different their bill would be, and how the bills from the two chambers would be reconciled, but this is a step closer to KOSA becoming law, and creating all of the many problems people have been highlighting about it for years.

One thing I wanted to note, though, is how cynical the politicians supporting this have been. It’s become pretty typical for senators to roll out “example kids” as a kind of prop as for why they have to pass these bills. They will have stories about horrible things that happened, but with no clear explanation for how this bill would actually prevent that bad thing, and while totally ignoring the many other bad things the bill would cause.

In the case of KOSA, we’ve already highlighted how it would do harm to all sorts of information and tools that are used to help and protect kids. The most obvious example is LGBTQ+ kids, who often use the internet to help find their identity or to communicate with others who might feel isolated in their physical communities. Indeed, GOP support for KOSA was conditioned on the idea that the law would be used to suppress LGBTQ+ related content.

But, I did find it notable that, after all of the pro-KOSA team using kids as props to vote for the bill, how little attention was given last week to the ACLU sending hundreds of students to Congress to tell them how much KOSA would harm them.

Last week, the American Civil Liberties Union sent 300 high school students to Capitol Hill to lobby against the Kids Online Safety Act, a bill meant to protect children online.

The teenagers told the staffs of 85 lawmakers that the legislation could censor important conversations, particularly among marginalized groups like L.G.B.T.Q. communities.

“We live on the internet, and we are afraid that important information we’ve accessed all our lives will no longer be available,” said Anjali Verma, a 17-year-old rising high school senior from Bucks County, Pa., who was part of the student lobbying campaign. “Regardless of your political perspective, this looks like a censorship bill.”

But somehow, that perspective gets mostly ignored in all of this.

It would have been nice to have had an actual discussion on the policy challenges here, but from the beginning, KOSA co-sponsors Richard Blumenthal and Marsha Blackburn refused to take any of the concerns about the bill seriously. They frequently insisted that any criticism of the bill was just “big tech” talking points.

And, while they made cosmetic changes to try to appease some, the bill does not (and cannot) fix its fundamental problems. The bill is, fundamentally at its heart, a bill that is about censorship. And, while it does not directly demand censorship, the easiest and safest way to comply with the law will be to takedown whatever culture war hot topic politicians don’t like.

It’s kind of incredible that many of those who voted for the bill today were big supporters of the Missouri case against the administration (including Missouri’s Attorney General who brought that suit, Eric Schmitt, who voted in favor of KOSA today). So, apparently, according to Schmitt, governments should never try to influence how social media companies decide to take down content, but also government should have the power to take enforcement action against companies that don’t take down content the FTC decides is harmful.

There is a tremendous amount of hypocrisy here. And it would be nice if someone asked the senators voting in favor of this law why they were going against the wishes of all the kids who visited the Hill last week. After all, that’s what the senators who trotted out kids on the other side tried to do to those few senators who pointed out the flaws in this terrible law.

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buttwipinglord (profile) says:

I think this continues to show that to a lot of these politicians, especially BB, that they actually don’t give two shits about actual kids unless they can be used to further their own agenda. Whether it’s controlling people’s bodies or something that will clearly do more harm than actually help real kids. Oh right I’m sorry they aren’t “the right kids” the straight white ones.

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Adrian Lopez says:

Addictive Design

So disappointing. Some people are insisting the bill is not about content regulation but about “addictive design features.” Even Wyden, who voted against the bill, has expressed support for legal measures against so-called addictive design features. You can bet algorithmic recommendations would be included in this, making it a form of content regulation after all.

And it’s not just Americans wanting to regulate these addictive design features, either. The European Union is getting ready, in its usual, heavy-handed fashion, to strike against things like “endless scrolling, pull-to-refresh, never-ending auto-play videos, push notifications, temporarily available stories, likes, [and] read-receipts.”. You couldn’t possibly concoct a parody more absurd than this.


New EU rules needed to make digital platforms less addictive
.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Many of the politicians that support this also support 12 year old rape victims being forced to give birth.

They also partied when a illegal immigrant drowned to death with her kid and unborn baby because Texas setup razor wire.

These people don’t care about kids. They haven’t given a fuck when kids had their brains spilled because cops in Texas refused to act. These politicians haven’t gone after anyone who visited pedo Island.

Anonymous Coward says:

The most obvious example is LGBTQ+ kids, who often use the internet to help find their identity or to communicate with others who might feel isolated in their physical communities.

This was me back when the internet was the newfangled big thing. Web 1.0 was my window to sanity growing up queer in MAGA country. Frankly, it’s a big part of the reason I even survived to adulthood, growing up around those superstitious savages.

Anyway, I’m now thriving in an infosec career and haven’t looked back. It’s no surprise that the conservatives would rather I have just died or closeted myself and work the mines. Still disappointing seeing liberals help them make it a reality for the next generation, though.

Anonymous Coward says:

I know it seems doubtful it’ll pass the house this year, but between this, the proposals in EU and the never-ending onslaught of misguided attempts to regulate the internet, I’m starting to wonder if the open web won’t exist in a year or two.

I know I’m probably just dooming right now, admittedly I’m expressing this concern in hopes that cooler heads here might have some reassurances about the future.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Even if Trump were to win the Electoral College, it would likely take more than a year or two for the GQP to install/corrupt enough judges to render the First Amendment moot. By the time the US is in a position to meaningfully destroy the open internet, the EU will have had at least 3 or 4 years to soften it up for the coup de grace.

ML2 (profile) says:

Re:

Let me help:

  1. These attempts at bad Internet laws have been going on for decades, and Section 230 itself was in fact passed alongside a censorship bill that had to be struck down by SCOTUS way back in 1996.
  2. The House has become increasingly dysfunctional since the passage of FOSTA/SESTA (which only occurred in the end because Facebook foolishly lobbied for it to pass). No other such terrible Internet law has passed since then.
  3. While Biden endorses KOSA, we don’t have any idea where Harris stands on it or on most Internet law issues in general. It’s entirely possible she would not support the current form of the law, and that her administration will endorse a different approach.
  4. SCOTUS has been consistently opposed to age verification, as have the other federal courts except for the 5th Circuit.
Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Thank you, this is exactly what I needed.

It doesn’t solve all of my worries but that’s okay, I think only time will do that.

There’ll still be things like the UN cybercrime convention going on right now, and the EU chat control in the future, but this at least helped put one of the fires out in my silly little head.

Cat_Daddy (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Yeah, about Point 3:*
https://x.com/VP/status/1818379694405992479

Other than that, l agree wholeheartedly with the other three.

*I’m cautious that Harris might not have the full context of KOSA right now and just have endorsed it on its surface. Might she change her mind if she heard the whole story? 🤷‍♂️

ML2 (profile) says:

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Oh shit. I didn’t see her post that. I was hoping she would just say absolutely nothing (which would have been a safe bet). I’m going to assume she hasn’t read the bill or kept up on the issues with it.

Surprisingly the reaction on BlueSky (where I spend my time) is rather muted. I thought I’d see bothsideism from performatives but I didn’t.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Yes.

Biden’s softened his stance on Israel somewhat (from full support to a more “palatable” EU stance of “Jesus Christ Israel chill the fuck out you’re doing warcrimes”) and Kamala has vowed to take a harsher stance on the, ahem, long-running issue in Israel.

So yes, show her the fucking Bill, and campaign against the Bill. Be loud until Kamala relents.

It’s worked on Biden and Kamala is the incumbent.

T.L. (profile) says:

Re: Re:

To point #2: You forgot about the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act, a law passed with the intent to censor or force divestiture of certain foreign websites and apps (both likely impermissible under the First Amendment for the same reason the government can’t regulate ownership of other non-broadcast media) using even the most nebulous evidence of national security concerns as a basis. Some lawmakers (Romney, Lawler, Fetterman) literally indicated it was passed because of objections to content on TikTok (its main target, which the government hasn’t bothered to outline credible evidence of national security threats required to overcome the law’s clear First Amendment problems) relating to Gaza that highlighted the humanitarian crisis that the Israeli military’s actions created for Palestinian civilians and criticism of U.S. financing of the war, and whose co-author wrote an op-ed months prior calling for TikTok to be banned because of such content he found objectionable.

Considering Republicans control the House and far-right orgs like the Heritage Foundation advocated for the law, it doesn’t make sense to suggest KOSA won’t pass and make it to Biden’s desk. If the House was willing to pass PAFACA, they’d likely pass KOSA to use it for their own purposes against content and marginalized communities they don’t like if Trump wins and enacts Project 2025. The only thing stopping both laws are the courts, including the Supreme Court, where First Amendment issues are among the scant few issues that the conservative majority is decent at.

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Tdestroyer209 says:

Noticed whenever Blumenthal and Blackburn were using dead kids to promote their bill and yet they refuse to kids that are alive who have serious issues about KOSA.

Shows how much of an opportunist both of them are to exploit the dead for their political gain and yet they ain’t too far from passing away either.

Both of them along with the 91 senators are ghouls to me now aka they are dead to me.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Noticed whenever Blumenthal and Blackburn were using dead kids to promote their bill and yet they refuse to kids that are alive who have serious issues about KOSA.

Much like fetuses, dead kids are much more convenient to advocate for. Living kids make noises with their mouths, and they want you to acknowledge and respect them. Dead kids can believe whatever you want them to believe, and they won’t argue with you.

ECA (profile) says:

A C FIGHT...

Pick a side..

About the kids.
WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN KIDS??
To be exact the parents can be taken to court, but NOT THE KIDS.
So Take the Choice away from both, and Force a 3rd group to be responsible?

Where in Hell did this RELIGIOUS, ideals come from? WE are not supposed to Support religious Concepts as they create PROBLEMS.

Anonymous Coward says:

Well, yes, there’s at least one literal university study on what effects public opinion has on US federal legislation. There is no correlation between the opinion of 90% of the population and legislation, a more direct correlation between the top 10% wealthiest and legislation, and a very notable correlation between whether or not more lobbying groups are in favor rather than opposed. There have been zero reforms since the study came out because this is the desired result in the USA. What you describe isn’t news so much as it is business as usual.

Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens, Gilens and Page.

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Joe says:

What will be passed and it will in some form be passed will not be enforced in the current form, all the ACs here can scream about the Supreme court, about trump now being King or whatever, that has nothing to do with this law, the Current Supreme court has shown more than once that it is good on 1st Amendment issues, you can hate roberts or Kanavaugh all you want it does not change the facts, but some of you have your talking points from the left and refuse to engage in an type of realistic conversation, so go rant away, it is what makes some here happy

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Bobby Kalm says:

Than you Kamala Harris for ENDORSING KOSA

We have much to be thankful for today. KOSA passed the senate and my favorite VP has endorsed KOSA https://x.com/vp/status/1818379694405992479?s=46

THIS IS ONE BILL THAT TECHDIRT SHOULD HAVE SUPPORTED. IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL AND SHOULD YOU NETCHOICE DECIDE TO TAKE IT TO COURT. SECTION 230 protections SHOULD AND WILL BE VOTED OUT. SO JUST ALLOW THE HOUSE TO PASS KOSA

I WORK FOR SENATOR DICK DURBIN AND PROUD OF KOSA VOTE TODAY 91-3. Cathy McMorris Rodgers get KOSA vote now out of the energy and commerce committee.

KOSA REPRESENTS DEMOCRACY

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Anonymous Coward says:

In the case of KOSA, we’ve already highlighted how it would do harm to all sorts of information and tools that are used to help and protect kids. The most obvious example is LGBTQ+ kids, who often use the internet to help find their identity or to communicate with others who might feel isolated in their physical communities.

Reason alone to support this bill.

Any legislation opposed by groomers and groomer-sympathizers is a good thing.

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MrWilson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

Transgender people have existed for thousands of years. There are historical accounts of them. Did the for-profit healthcare industry and the “gender ideologues” time travel and learn ancient languages to convince the people of the past? Or maybe your conspiracy theory lacks even the slightest amount of plausibility…?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

I presume the DSMV and the entire field of psychology are just nonsense to you, Hyman?

I’m sure an entire field of academics and mental health professionals would love seeing your uneducated, MAGA-supporting ass schooled.

And no, fuck you, I am NOT interested in your continued harassment campaign against the site, you were told to fuck off.

Anonymous Coward says:

Meanwhile thousands of sites like reddit will have to have some kind of I’d verification program that ,ll make it harder for for ALL users to use the website and also place millions of users personal data at risk of being hacked .
Its hard to see any positive effect of this bill apart from providing extra income to programmers who set up user id systems
Its like fosta version 2
The last thing the Internet needs is more government censorship of websites that date to discuss lgbt issues or medical issues like
STDs contraception etc

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