Sample Library Company Copyright Strikes YouTuber Over Showing Their ToS
from the what-are-you-hiding? dept
Terms of Service are a reality we deal with all the time with digital goods and services. And by “deal with”, I mostly mean we don’t read them and simply agree to whatever they say instead, assuming there is nothing crazy in them. But that also causes a lot of problems, with customers of these products suddenly having changes to them foisted upon them, or realizing that they can’t do with their purchase what they thought they could, all of which are covered by the ToS that was essentially unread.
As a result, there are some folks out there who like to dive into the ToS for targeted industries. YouTuber Miss Krystle’s channel, Top Music Attorney, is one example of this. She is an attorney and musical artist who dives into Terms of Service within the music industry, analyzing them and pulling out anything that would be of interest or concern to a customer of the product or service. For instance, she covered the ToS for Splice, which provides a catalogue of royalty-free music samples for musicians to use.
“I have a series where I go through the terms of service for these music businesses, and I tell you guys what these contracts say that you’re being forced to sign in order to use these platforms,” she explains.
Krystle claims she was handed a cease and desist order from Splice’s legal department, to which she suggested jumping on a phone call to clarify some of the stipulations of the company’s ToS, saying she wanted to create a followup video for her audience’s clarity.
She says the call was productive and that Splice had agreed to update its ToS to iron out flagged inconsistencies, and that she left feeling a positive resolution was had by all.
So far, this whole thing reads as annoying but not terribly surprising. Splice’s legal team likely came across Miss Krystle’s video and, because ToS are somehow afforded copyright protection, sent out a C&D claiming the reproduction of those ToS in her YouTube video was infringing. Again, Miss Krystle is an attorney, so I imagine the call she had with Splice included explaining how this use is likely to be covered under fair use provisions. After all, it’s not as though she were using Splice’s ToS to copy it for her own ToS, which is where copyright claims for Terms of Service tend to come from. In any case, she indicates the call ended on a positive note.
And then Splice issued a copyright strike against her channel.
It was only the next day that she discovered her Top Music Attorney YouTube channel had been issued a copyright infringement takedown notice at the request of Splice, resulting in a harmful copyright strike. If a YouTube user receives three copyright strikes in 90 days, their account and channel is permanently terminated.
And now Splice has a problem. For starters, the original video Splice complained about is still up on her channel. And because of both the C&D and moreso because of the copyright strike, a whole lot more attention is being paid to that original video, Miss Krystle’s follow up video in which she tells the story of the C&D and getting the copyright strike, and the issues surrounding Splice’s ToS as a whole. You have to assume that Splice took these actions because it wanted to limit the content of these videos’ critiques of its ToS from as much public attention as it could. In true Streisand Effect fashion, it achieved the exact opposite.
Which brings me to the question that everyone should be asking: just what is in these Terms of Service that Splice is so terrified its customers and potential customers will see?
Fortunately, a lot more people can get the answer to that question from Miss Krystle, all because Splice wanted to try to silence a critic to keep them hidden.
Filed Under: copyfraud, copyright, miss krystle, terms of service
Companies: splice, youtube


Comments on “Sample Library Company Copyright Strikes YouTuber Over Showing Their ToS”
I don’t understand how a terms of service could be covered by copyright. It’s a functional legal contract factually detailing the terms. It’s a collection of facts in sentence form. But then I do understand why it is covered by copyright because copyright law serves large corporations and the wealthy as its primary beneficiaries.
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Hasn’t Techdirt covered a few cases where the law couldn’t be talked about or legal cases couldn’t be accessed precisely because of copyright? Carl Malamud something?
I think John Smith or some other troll unironically made a claim, too: “If you don’t copyright the law then nobody will be incentivized to follow or enforce it”.
Law enforcement, either way, has never felt particularly bothered when the man on the street neither has access to nor understands the law.
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There have been many articles about the incorporation of copyrighted standards into the law by reference and the sharing of those standards publicly, especially by Malamud.
The American Society for Testing and Materials et al. v. Public.Resource.Org case was decided stating generally that the non-commercial reproduction of such standards was fair use.
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I can KIND OF see the justification of things like ASTM standards being protected by copyright, since they’re a work product that’s being sold in book and electronic form. (Not saying I agree, just that I understand it)
But even that flimsy reasoning doesn’t apply to Splice. Their Terms & Conditions aren’t a product you can buy, they’re a legal agreement that customers are supposed to read (and have to agree to) BEFORE they buy Splice’s actual product.
Re: Re: Re:2 The wrong basis for copyright
The “sweat of the brow” doctrine was rejected by the US Supreme Court. The fact that something is a sellable work product does not qualify it for copyright protections.
Copyright arises from creative expression. The text of an ASTM standard might contain sufficient creative expression for copyright protections. Additionally, the way in which a collection of such standards is presented (the images, the annotations, the appearances of the covers, etc.) may also have sufficient creative expression. However, for standards that become law (standards incorporated by reference), the public interest in public access to the standards can weigh in favor of fair use in some cases.
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ADA: “Don’t you know the law, Mr. Reyes?”
Defendant: “No, ma’am, I don’t.”
ADA: “Well, do you know the saying, ‘Ignorance of the law is no excuse’?”
Defendant: “But how am I supposed to know the law when I’m on welfare and can’t afford the fee to get behind the paywall?”
Judge: “Case dismissed.”
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Judge: “Case dismissed.”Judge: “The law (that the corporations paid for) is the law! Guilty! I sentence you to five years of prison labor in the Nike sweatshop and a $10,000 fine payable to my highest donors.”
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The second half of that sentence is the answer. The same way a recipe can be copyrighted, but a list of ingredients and amounts can’t.
Re: I am not a copyright lawyer...
It makes sense to me that once something is protected by copyright or some other IP limited monopoly license, it goes from being opt out to opt in. You can’t (or shouldn’t be) bound by a contract you don’t have full access to.
It has some intersection with the unethical practice of NSLs, which denies targets the freedom to announce they are captured by a state agent.
That said, I am curious if the TOS are actually copyrighted, and the Krystle is actually restricted from publishing them (even for fair use, such as reporting, critique and education, for which her videos should qualify) or the copyright strike was just use as a known, consistently-effective vector of attack. Splice’s lawyers knew they could harass Krystle and get the video removed by pulling the YouTube copyright strike trigger, so they did with little regard to whether its intended purpose was applicable.
Either way, it shows Splice is a company that engages in bad-faith behavior in its effort to sell its wares. It’s demonstrably a toxic company.
Ah, to be a fly on that wall, what could have gone through the minds of the Splice legal team? “So here’s the plan, guys. This woman’s a copyright attorney, negotiates all her music deals, has been doing this for quite some time. So we’ll lull her into a false sense of security, end the call with a positive note… and completely sidewind her with a copyright strike, she’ll never see it coming! Who but a copyright attorney would be able to appreciate the beauty of a copyright strike, she’ll never contest that. Copyright lawyers don’t eat their own!”
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If that’s a DMCA notice (which we haven’t been told), I guess one could contest it. Does that actually remove the “strike”, though? And does it have any negative consequence for whoever filed the bogus strike?
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Nothing bogus about it. The thing the claimtiff states under penalty of perjury is that they own the copyright to whatever got flagged.
Which is the case here. That the copyright would (and should) not be enforceable due to fair use is something to be decided in court. It does not concern the “group stage” DMCA rules that are intended to deal with simple stuff without pestering courts.
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How many thousands of cases of perjury are happening daily under this regime?
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There’s a claim of infringment being made. That this part of the notice is not required to be made under penalty of perjury is bogus. The lack of consideration for fair use is bogus. And there is actually a legal requirement to consider fair use, at least in the 9th Circuit (I don’t know whether they have jurisdiction here).
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Reminder: The DMCA takedown system has no stringent requirement for evidence from the claimant. Anyone could claim to be the copyright owner of a given piece of media and file a takedown without ever having to answer for that lie in a court of law.
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In other words, anyone could commit a crime and get away with it.
But that part actually is under penalty of perjury, which means it would be a crime and they could have to answer for it, if caught. It’s happened once or twice; remember Prenda “Law”? Also, Craig Wright has been referred for a perjury prosecution in the U.K. That shows you how egregious stuff has to be before the courts will take action, but at least it’s something.
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Multiple legal cases have found that the penalty of perjury is written is such a way that all you cert is you have the right to make a copyright claim. I think I vaguely understand the legal rationale, but not well enough to try to explain it.
That said, the standard the 9th circut set for fair use is an entirely subjective analysis. I think the end result is you can effectively just say you didn’t think fair use applied and with out a written confession, you really can’t prove otherwise. One of those supposed backstops against bad faith that are utterly meaningless when facing bad faith actors.
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Ummm… Are legal contracts any more protected by copyright, than legal arguments?
(Ie. are contracts and TOS actually even shielded by copyright at all?)
Re: Re: Re: The perjury rule is more limited
Not quite, AFAIK the perjury is around whether they legally represent the owner of the content, which may-or-may-not be copyrightable and may-or-may-not be getting-infringed-upon.
While this is necessary to prevent certain kinds of evil trolling, it unfortunately also means companies can engage in selective enforcement, and citizens can’t stir the pot to illustrate the insanity of the system.
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Clearly they didn’t follow up on what happened during the Steele-Hansmeier fallout.
“Lawyers don’t eat their own” is a fucking dumb thing to believe anyway. What do you think prosecution and defense fight it out in court for? Kumbayas?
Splice meet Barbra Streisand!
The copyright strike was removed by splice.
https://musictech.com/news/music/splice-issues-copyright-strike-to-content-creator-internet-reacts/
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Little late for that, but I suppose at this point all they can do is scramble to do damage control.
Re: Re: Streisand or Gilmore?
The Net views censorship as damage and routes around it.
— John Gilmore
Between that and the Streisand Effect (h/t Mike) I don’t think this will disappear off the Net very quickly.
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There is that saying… all publicity is good publicity.
I had literally never heard of this company or had any knowledge of the existence of ToS explainer videos.
And all it cost was the startup company looking very silly in public?
Looks like a good deal on paper.
Re: Re: Re: 'Never heard of them but they don't want people checking their TOS so I'm out.'
That saying is very wrong, because you only get one first impression and if the first time someone hears about your company is in a negative manner that’s going to stick in their mind and you’ll have an uphill battle countering that impression, assuming they even stick around long enough for you to do so.
They really want people to adhere to the terms — but they really, really don’t want people to know the terms?
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I have a secret fear that there’s a clause giving power of attorney in the deep text of every ToS I’ve ever clicked.
Maybe it’s not just me.
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“I have a secret fear that there’s a clause giving power of attorney in the deep text of every ToS I’ve ever clicked.”
A US court of law would likely find the inclusion of power of attorney, within their terms of service, to be unconscionable thereby making the contract null and void.
Not sure it is a contract when both parties are not in agreement, due to the not reading the tos – but whatever ianal.
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Why be afraid of that, specifically? Nearly anyone could be bankrupted by the ubiquitous indemnification clause anyway. Can you really afford the pay the legal teams of these giant companies?
You would think that Splice would know better than to try this shit with an attorney who probably knows the law better than they do. Just lmfaoooo
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Ah; but that means that the Splice legal team actually has to understand that she’s a real attorney who actually has more experience than them in this particular area.
And not just that when they originally contacted her about the copyright claim, some legal aide also got the YouTube claim tossed in their work pile, and it took a few days to process it.
How can we destroy our business today?
Well we’ve done everything we can with the shitty ToS terms, lets unleash the lawyers, nothing bad can come from that.
WHY DID NO ONE WARN US!!!!!
If anyone wants to know what Splice’s dragon hoard looks like, here it is. Fuck you, Splice. Fuck you.