EFF Defends Anti-War Group Against SXSW’s Bullshit IP Claims

from the streisand-effect dept

We haven’t talked a great deal about SXSW in some time, but they are back in the news and not for good reasons! The conference and festival kicked off in March as planned, but less planned were the protests that organized against the conference as a result of its affiliations with defense contractors and the United States military and the ongoing support of Israel’s heavy-handed response to the attacks it suffered from Hamas last year. Performers backed out and a handful of protest groups organized alternative concerts and demonstrations out in front of SXSW.

One of those groups was the Austin for Palestine Coalition (APC) that put out communication and organized protests along these lines. In those communications, some of them included parodied versions of the SXSW branding to make it clear that the group believes the organization has blood on its hands. For instance:

Now, for the sin of publishing this parody content, which you will already recognize as protected speech under the First Amendment, SXSW made several trademark and copyright claims for takedowns of social media and internet content. To be clear, those claims are utter nonsense.

And if you want to understand the specifics as to why, the EFF has gotten involved in supporting AFC and has a great explainer in the link.

On the trademark question first:

The law is clear on this point. The First Amendment protects your right to make a political statement using trademark parodies, whether or not the trademark owner likes it. That’s why trademark law applies a different standard (the “Rogers test”) to infringement claims involving expressive works. The Rogers test is a crucial defense against takedowns like these, and it clearly applies here. Even without Rogers’ extra protections, SXSW’s trademark claim would be bogus: Trademark law is about preventing consumer confusion, and no reasonable consumer would see Austin for Palestine’s posts and infer they were created or endorsed by SXSW.

Completely correct. APC is protected when it comes to this content via several vectors. Parody is protected speech. Political messaging is protected speech. And, finally, trademark law struggles to be employed when there is no serious concern for confusion in the public. And if SXSW really wants to make the argument that someone is going to take messaging critical of it as affiliated with SXSW, I’m happy to sit back and laugh at them.

As for the copyright claim, it’s even worse.

SXSW’s copyright claims are just as groundless. Basic symbols like their arrow logo are not copyrightable. Moreover, even if SXSW meant to challenge Austin for Palestine’s mimicking of their promotional material—and it’s questionable whether that is copyrightable as well—the posts are a clear example of non-infringing fair use. In a fair use analysis, courts conduct a four-part analysis, and each of those four factors here either favors Austin for Palestine or is at worst neutral. Most importantly, it’s clear that the critical message conveyed by Austin for Palestine’s use is entirely different from the original purpose of these marketing materials, and the only injury to SXSW is reputational—which is not a cognizable copyright injury.

As far as the EFF has heard, SXSW hasn’t responded to its pushback. And, of course, guess what all of this bullying type behavior designed to bury the protests has actually done? Well, in true Streisand Effect fashion, the very information this bullying was supposed to tamp down is instead on a repeater as more and more outlets, including us, discuss the story in its entirety.

When will they ever learn?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Israel's response was not "heavy-handed"

It was (and is) very mild compared to what they could, and arguably should, have done in response to the Palestinian-supported terrorist attack. If I were in charge, I would have ordered the immediate carpet-bombing of Gaza with incendiaries — targeting the most heavily-populated civilian areas first. The goal would be to kill 1.139 million Palestinians on the first day. (That’s 1000 Palestinians for each victim of their terrorist attack.)

But Israel hasn’t done that — which is a pity, as every dead Palestinian terrorist marks incremental progress toward peace.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Better question: how many Palestinian children have to die before the Palestinians learn to stop committing and supporting terrorist attacks against Israel?

They brought this (Israel’s response) on themselves. They were offered an incredible deal in 2000 (Camp David) and they turned it down. They’ve spent the time since supporting Hamas (and other groups), which have quite predictably done exactly what they said they’d do and thus triggered equally predictable responses from Israel.

The realpolitik of this is that plenty of Palestinians knew what Hamas was planning on October 7 and THEY SAID NOTHING. They could have warned Israel and saved over a thousand lives. But they didn’t. They deliberately chose to let it happen, and now they’re complaining that there’s been a very mild, quite restrained Israeli response.

So to circle back: the killing will continue until the Palestinians decide that it’s more important to love their children than to hate Israel’s.

Arijirija says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Also, that blaming children for the deeds of the adults – or far distant ancestors – was very common in Mediaeval “Christian” Europe. It’s the basis for the “Christ-Killer” accusation, which is one of the most virulent of all the antisemitic beliefs. Blaming children for things they could not have any knowledge about, was also the basis for the comprehensiveness of the Holocaust – Nazis had accused all Jews of Communism, and so … hundreds of thousands of children were murdered.

In the Tenakh – Christian Bible Old Testament – there’s a very human and humane story about a prophet who both attempted to flee his responsibility, and then groused when his message was believed and the people he’d been sent to warn, took notice. In the final part of this story, Jonah is represented as complaining that Nineveh has not been destroyed, because the residents have changed their attitudes and behavior, and God is represented as saying to him that he – Jonah – is more concerned about his comfort than about the thousands of children who would’ve died as a result. I like the anonymous author of Jonah.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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It doesn’t matter any more. The entire world has had to live with the threat of Palestinian/Islamic/Arab/whatever terrorism for the past half century. It’s not the Israelis hijacking plans in America or blowing up buildings in England: it’s the Palestinians etc. doing it.

So it’s time to put an end to this BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. I wish it hadn’t come to this, but it has. And if the “necessary means” include the extermination of the Palestinians, so be it. Better that they all die today than the world have to live with this crap for another 50 years.

It’s too bad: they could have chosen peace and prosperity. They chose violence and terrorism. So they chose to die. Time to get on with it: kill them all and let’s live in a better world without them.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

They could have just moved somewhere else when the Israeli settlers came to take their land. Then just moved somewhere else when Hamas set up shop in their neighborhoods.

Like to the bottom of the Dead Sea! Think about it! If they set up Atlantis-style at the bottom of the Dead Sea neither Hamas nor the IDF would be able to reach them!

/s

You’re talking to someone who’s espousing total genocide.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

A good way to choose peace and prosperity (not that I can speak for whoever wrote that) would be to stop killing other people. But Palestinians have chosen to be murderous terrorist thugs for 50 years. Now they’re whining when the world is returning the favor.

They were fine with it as long as they could kill other people’s children. Now that the consequences of their decisions and their actions have come back to them, they’re worried about their own children. They should have considered that first. But they didn’t.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Sadly you’re right. The Palestinians chose to support and practice terrorism, and now they’re complaining about the consequences. And the anti-Semitic terrorist-supporting assholes in this thread are demanding that Israel play by the rules of war in a gentlemanly fashion while Palestinian vermin rape corpses. Screw that. Israel should wipe out Hamas BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY and if that includes the deaths of a lot of Palestinians: too bad. They made their choice, let them die with it.

And spare the nonsense about “war crimes”: this isn’t a war. It’s a knife fight in a phone booth and the only rule is: win. Israel should order its military to kill and kill and kill some more until they’re certain every member of Hamas is dead. And anyone who doesn’t want to caught up in that needs to turn on Hamas and rat them out to the IDF. Anyone who doesn’t is a terrorist supporter and deserves to die along with Hamas.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

You’re confused about the roles of parents and children.

Parents make choices: those choices may have positive or negative effects on their children. If I choose to send my children to bad schools and to discourage them from studying, if I choose to feed them McDonald’s three times a day, then my children will grow up illiterate, uneducated, unhealthy and fat.

The question of whether they’re to “blame” for that is irrelevant: I’m to blame for that. But they will undoubtedly bear the consequences.

Palestinians have chosen violence, murder, and terrorism. They have rejected peace and coexistence. They refused the Camp David proposals, they put Hamas in charge. Those decisions, by Palestinian parents, have repercussions for their children.

Palestinians chose to kill their own children. They may not have realized it, they may not have intended it, but they did. The bill for their arrogance, their ignorance, their hatred, their racism, has come due. And now the price must be paid.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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I don’t see that: I see that the adults are being blamed for their own actions. It’s a solid argument: if they loved their children, they’d have put their welfare ahead of everything. They would have demanded that their leaders accede to the Camp David proposals, they would have rejected Hamas, they would have spent the past quarter century figuring out how to live peacefully.

But they didn’t. They spent that time doing everything they possibly could to support terrorists. Now they’re reaping what they’ve sown, and that includes the deaths of many of their children. It’s sad, but it’s the choice they made, and now they get to live (or die) with it.

You can argue that this is unfair or unjust or anything you want: it doesn’t matter. It’s the reality they’ve made for themselves and all the philosophical arguments in the world won’t change it. They chose to sacrifice peace and safety in favor of hatred and terrorism, and that choice has consequences.

And let me note: they’re STILL choosing it, despite the awful consequences. They’re simultaneously complaining about Israel’s actions while refusing to do anything to remove (or better, kill) Hamas.

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BernardoVerda (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

From 2013 to September 2023. (Reported by the UN).

Number of deaths – Palestinian: 6,407 Israeli: 308
Number of Injuries- Palestinian: 152,560 Israeli: 6,307

That’s completely leaving aside the horrendous living conditions in Gaza, the settler violence (ignored or condoned by authorities) in West Bank, or the political and living/working restrictions placed on Palestinians still living in “Israel proper”.

Even Israeli generals and government ministers were describing Gaza as “the world’s largest open air prison”.

Israel has been cut a lot of slack because of the Holocaust, but unfortunately, they’ve abused that privilege, and come to be a profoundly oppressive regime themselves.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Comment from a military planner's perspective

(Military planner here; 27 years of experience.)

Buried in this back-and-forth there’s an important tactical point that seems to have gotten lost in all the politics and rhetoric.

The October 7 attack by Hamas took a very large number of people and years to plan. It required supplies, communication, transportation, intelligence, weapons, munitions, training, etc.

There’s no possible way that happened without a lot of people in Gaza knowing that something was going on. They may not have known precisely what, or when/where, but this was much too heavyweight an operation to be concealed from the civilian population. There are just too many people in too small a space for anything like this to remain secret for long.

Every additional person who knows something of a plan shortens the available timeline – if we want to maintain secrecy until it’s executed. So does every movement, procurement, stockpile, exercise, etc. We generate clues even if we’re careful, and a large operation like this one generates thousands of clues, especially when it’s staged inside a heavily populated area. (Which is one reason we try very hard not to do that unless our hand is forced.)

And yet..none of the Gaza residents warned the Israelis. Not one of them who knew something was brewing, and there were likely hundreds to thousands such people, could find the courage, the decency, the humanity to let Israel know that something big was coming. Even an hour’s warning that every day would have saved a lot of lives – Israel’s military is one of the best in the world at rapid response.

So everyone who’s hang-wringing about subsequent events should consider that there WOULD BE NO subsequent events if this attack hadn’t happened..and that the people of Gaza themselves could have stopped it.

They made a choice. And let me also note: it was an informed choice, because at this point everyone should be fully aware what the Israeli response to such an attack will be. They knew Hamas was going to strike and they knew Israel would strike back and, equipped with that knowledge, they said nothing.

This isn’t about who’s right (nobody) and who’s wrong (everybody). This is about the stark reality that the people of Gaza chose to allow this to happen knowing full well that they’d suffer the consequences of Israel’s retaliation. I wish, both for their sake and for the sake of the 1000+ victims on October 7, that they’d chosen more wisely: that they had put the welfare of Israeli and Palestinian children ahead of their hatred. But they didn’t, and now lots of those children are dead, and more will die.

Right now, somewhere in Gaza, Hamas is trying to regroup and to organize another attack. Of course they are, it’s what they do. And if it’s substantial, there will once again be civilians in Gaza who become aware of it. They will again face a choice: tip off Israel or remain silent. I hope they choose more wisely.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

The October 7 attack by Hamas took a very large number of people and years to plan. It required supplies, communication, transportation, intelligence, weapons, munitions, training, etc.

You can set up most of the stuff beforehand while keeping most of your manpower in the dark until the last moment. Remember, most of the foot-soldiers of Hamas are fanatics or borderline fanatics and keeping them in the dark isn’t hard, just tell them to be good little soldiers for Allah and they’ll do almost anything.

There’s no possible way that happened without a lot of people in Gaza knowing that something was going on. They may not have known precisely what, or when/where, but this was much too heavyweight an operation to be concealed from the civilian population. There are just too many people in too small a space for anything like this to remain secret for long.

Perhaps you aren’t aware that Israel’s intelligence had detailed warnings about what was about to happen based on Hamas’ training, but they classified it as “an imaginary scenario”. All this evidence was more or less discounted and ignored by higher ups in the Israeli intelligence community.

So everyone who’s hang-wringing about subsequent events should consider that there WOULD BE NO subsequent events if this attack hadn’t happened..and that the people of Gaza themselves could have stopped it.

How would the people of Gaza stopped them? The only ones with weapons are Hamas and they have shown they are willing to do whatever it takes, even if it means killing Gazans directly or indirectly.

They made a choice. And let me also note: it was an informed choice, because at this point everyone should be fully aware what the Israeli response to such an attack will be. They knew Hamas was going to strike and they knew Israel would strike back and, equipped with that knowledge, they said nothing.

That statement discounts reality because of the earlier information Israel got, but also that most Gazans didn’t know anything about the attack. If you think that all 2 million Gazan residents made a choice because they knew about the attack and without Israel finding out, it only means Israel’s intelligence community isn’t worth shit.

This isn’t about who’s right (nobody) and who’s wrong (everybody). This is about the stark reality that the people of Gaza chose to allow this to happen knowing full well that they’d suffer the consequences of Israel’s retaliation. I wish, both for their sake and for the sake of the 1000+ victims on October 7, that they’d chosen more wisely: that they had put the welfare of Israeli and Palestinian children ahead of their hatred. But they didn’t, and now lots of those children are dead, and more will die.

The stark reality is that most Gazans didn’t know anything and Israeli intelligence dropped the ball and then retaliated indiscriminately being no better than Hamas when it comes to killing civilians. A majority didn’t even support Hamas, what choice do you think they actually had?

A dead civilian is a dead civilian, it doesn’t matter what kind of excuse people come up with – it’s always wrong. Killing civilians wholesale to get at your enemy is a war-crime. What Israel have done in Gaza is a yoke they’ll have to carry for a very very long time, and they’ll also have to deal with a whole generation that’ll hate them with a white-hot fury.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

“How would the people of Gaza stopped them?”

Not with force (obviously) but by tipping off Israel that this was real and not merely a tabletop exercise.

The people of Gaza are not to blame for Israel’s intelligence failure(s). But they ARE to blame for not augmenting that intelligence with what they knew. It might have made a difference, it might not have – but they should have tried. If it had worked then a lot of people who are currently dead wouldn’t be. And even if it didn’t work, it was still the right thing to do.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

Not with force (obviously) but by tipping off Israel that this was real and not merely a tabletop exercise.

But they did, Israel had both soft and hard intel and they choose to ignore it. There were Israeli intelligence analysts that took this seriously, but they were shut down.

What more do you want? I big giant burning bush?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Your point about keeping manpower in the dark is well-taken, and of course that’s been a best military practice for centuries. The problem is that all the other things still need to happen in order to prepare for an attack..so even if the operational plan is kept secret from almost everyone, everyone will that there IS an operational plan and that it’s real – because of all the other things that need to happen.

E.g. I obviously can’t tell you when or where, but we had to call off an operation between someone was careless with fuel requisitions. The particular kinds and quantities were quite distinct and anyone who possessed that information could make a very astute guess as to what was going to happen.

Your point about Israel killing civilians indiscriminately is wrong, however. If that was actually Israel’s intention, then they would all be dead: that’s quite within their military capabilities. You may wish to debate whether they’re being careful enough,and we could consider that question on a point by point basis, but the larger observation is that they’ve gone out of their way NOT to kill civilians even when Hamas has deliberately put civilians in harm’s way.

In fact one could note that every Palestinian killed in Gaza since October 7 has been killed by Hamas – either directly or indirectly. I’m certain this was one of their objectives: they are, after all, terrorists, and their goal is to maximize the slaughter: Israelis, Palestinians, others, it doesn’t matter to them.

Which is why the Palestinians should be the first to kill Hamas – entirely. Because if they don’t, then (a) Israel will have to keep doing it, no matter what it takes and no matter how many Palestinians die in the process, and (b) Hamas will attack again, and the cycle will repeat. We could go back and forth here for the next twenty years debating the ethics and morality of this, the tactics and the strategy, but until Hamas is gone none of it will matter: the killing will continue.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

Your point about Israel killing civilians indiscriminately is wrong, however.

A terrorist is holding up an innocent child as shield, do you kill the terrorist by shooting through the child?

Yes or no?

If you are willing to kill civilians because they happen to be in the way of your target, you are indiscriminate in who you kill.

When there are more civilian than enemy casualties, then you are indiscriminate in who you kill.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Yes, yes, Hyman, we get it, blame the victim for shit they don’t even have power over.

Just to add, the Israelis (really, Zionists) have been doing this since, at least 1947, and if WW2 history is to be believed, way, way earlier as well.

And, to add to that, Zionists worked with the fucking Nazis in the 1930s to force the Jews to go to Israel, which, predictably, made every Jew in the know condemn that collaboration.

Even if you are a military planner, your grasp of history is suspect at best.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

It was (and is) very mild compared to what they could, and arguably should, have done in response to the Palestinian-supported terrorist attack.

All Palestinians and their supporters should be killed on the battlefield, slaughtered in their homes, or liquidated wherever they’re found in groups of 3 or more.

GHB (profile) says:

The trademark claim is reminiscent to Acerthorn and udemy

Here we go again. A trademark claim for the sole purpose of silencing people referring to them despite the use of the mark not intended to “confuse” people.

https://torrentfreak.com/udemy-uses-dmca-to-delete-video-showing-how-to-access-courses-free-legally-201207/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhHrmg5DTfY

Ehud Gavron (profile) says:

Heavy Handed says Tim

I’m sorry, Timothy, but you opined:
” Israel’s heavy-handed response to the attacks it suffered from Hamas last year.”

How light a hand should be used when cutthroat murderes rape, burn, murder, and decimate over a thousand civilians including babies and children, then destroy their houses, THEN PROMISE TO DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.

Do tell what this “heavy-handed response” would better have been. I can’t wait for your all-seeing world knowledge to solutions of international politics and generations of hatred.

While you’re at it, that girl next to you walked down a dark alley with a short skirt. Go blame her for being a victim.

Arijirija says:

Re:

That sounds like a description of the Nakba – you just have to add the ethnic cleansing. Are you saying that the appropriate reward for such behavior is statehood? Just as Israel’s founding founding spree of terrorism was rewarded with statehood and international recognition?

Or do you think to root out the Nazi-loving Lehi and Irgun, the British Army and RAF should’ve bombed Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, etc?
https://allthatsinteresting.com/lehi

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Rocky says:

Re:

On the one hand you have a group that indiscriminately kill civilians, including children. On the other hand you have a group that indiscriminately kill civilians, including children.

They both think they have valid reasons for what they do, but from an observers viewpoint – what kind of reason excuses the indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians?

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