Does Elon Grok The Trademark Issues With ‘Grok’? AI Chip Company Groq Does

from the grok-the-groq,-grok dept

As you likely know by now, last week, Elon Musk released the initial version of the AI chatbot he created earlier this year via “xAI” which may or may not be part of his many other companies, but definitely uses employees, technology, and resources from those other companies. He named it “Grok,” though also claimed that it was “modeled after” Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

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Now, anyone with any knowledge of the relevant books here will note that “grok” comes not from Douglas Adam’s “Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy,” but from Robert Heinlein’s “Stranger in a Strange Land,” which are, well, two very different books. Others might note that the underlying theme of Hitchhiker’s Guide is that it’s actually compiled by living beings, but, hey, whatever…

There might be a bigger issue with Elon naming his AI “Grok,” beyond the mixed up book aspect.

And it’s that there’s already a big AI-related company that has been around for over six years named “Groq” that has multiple live trademarks for “Groq” having to do with AI.

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By absolute and total coincidence, last week as all this happened, I just happened to be at a conference where I interviewed Groq’s founder and CEO, Jonathan Ross, on stage, where he seemed to have a pretty good sense of humor about all this (rather than the sophomoric sense of humor of the other guy).

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During that session, Jonathan demonstrated how Groq’s AI chips make existing AI models way faster than anything you’ve seen before (and, yes, it makes a huge difference — I’ve been playing around with Groq’s implementation of the Llama 2 AI model and it’s… astounding what you can do when the output is that fast. It makes using generative AI a wholly different experience).

Now, we don’t often cover things like “AI chips” on Techdirt, but we do cover AI in general and we do cover… trademark disputes. Including when the party that feels wronged takes a more creative approach to dealing with things before sending in the lawyers.

Jonathan wrote a blog post, “Welcome to Groq’s Galaxy, Elon,” in which he demos Groq’s super fast speeds by asking it to come up with a better name for Elon’s AI (he did a version of this same example demo on stage at the conference last week as well):

In the meantime, to help Elon out I decided to have a talk with our own Groq™ bot to see if we could come up with a better, wittier, and more unique name for the Musk bot. Our bot is built on the Llama-2 70B LLM and runs on the Groq Inference Engine. In other words, it’s smart and fast.

I asked it, “What are some clever names for an LLM-based chatbot inspired by the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy?” In about a second, it provided an entertaining set of ideas.

This gives Ross a chance to also show off the speed of Groq’s chips, and how that enables much better overall results in a short time frame:

The list was 545 tokens in length, and if you are keeping score (which we definitely are), the speed at which it generated that list was 329 tokens / second. 

But, I didn’t believe the list was up to Elon’s levels of intellect and wit. This isn’t surprising, since the first answer from any AI query is the bot’s stream of consciousness, and none of us is at our sharpest when blurting out the first thing that comes to mind. So I asked a few more questions. How could you improve these suggestions? What are the most sarcastic, snarky options? Can you give me your top three?

Which is how, in a matter of seconds, the Groq bot and I came up with a great suggestion for Elon’s latest: “Slartibartfast the Chatbot”. What a fantastical name! Slartibartfast is a character from Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy whose job is to design planets (talk about generative AI!) He’s a rebel, a trickster, and a cynic. Really, the ideal character to front Elon’s and AI’s new voice of snark.

Going even snarkier (which we’re told Elon loves, right?), Ross posted another video showing Groq and “Grok” from xAI side by side responding to the same prompt.

Well, sort of. If you watch the video you see that in the time that Elon’s AI took to respond to a simple query, Groq’s system not only gave a much more complete answer in a fraction of the time, but it also was able to provide even more. And more. And more again.

Now, Groq and xAI are in different, but related businesses. Groq is making the chips that make it possible for any generative AI model to be insanely fast (their demo is on Llama 2), but they’re both in the AI business. And, yes, in case you’re wondering, since trademark law is focused on the likelihood of confusion, the difference in spelling between “Groq” and “Grok” is unlikely to matter. There are plenty of cases where phonetically similar words were found to violate trademarks.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Grok is still a very early beta product.

For the first time, they are honest about one of theses “Elon” products. Another one to soon be added to the “still a beta product but we’re promising it works great” endless list.

By the way, there demo is fast, much that anything that I’ve seen so far, but the output is still meh. I guess we all exaggerate about what theses LLM could offer, it could be fun but there is still a lot of room for improvement.

Now, I don’t see what the point of adding it to Twitter. Maybe to generate much more misinformation.

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AmySox (profile) says:

What a dreadful thing to call “Grok.” RAH would be spinning in his grave…if he hadn’t been cremated and had his ashes scattered at sea.

If he wanted a Hitchhiker’s themed name, how about “Eddie,” after the shipboard computer on the Heart of Gold? Always positive and frequently wrong.

James Burkhardt (profile) says:

Re:

Honestly, you all are missing the best name for an AI powered hitchhiker’s guide – Guide Mark 3. Guide mark 1 was human written. Guide Mark 2 was a multiverse computer that tried to fix gaps by getting the infinite multiverse of individuals to write it but really was just a weapon to destroy earth. Guide Mark 3 elimnates the need to pay writers by using AI to just make shit up.

Of course, that would require Musk to understand hes the vogon corporate overlord in this situation.

Candescence (profile) says:

There are so many things wrong with the use of the word “Grok” in this instance. It’s ironic considering Elon is using a word for fundamentally understanding something on a deep level for an LLM that simply can’t do that, or the fact that he somehow got it mixed up with Hitchhiker’s, which is… How? Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy and Stranger in a Strange Land are two completely different books. You’d think Elon would remember which one involves the protagonist starting a creepy sex cult, for starters.

(But really, “Stranger in a Strange Land” is a goddamn weird book with a lot of problematic elements and I’m frankly not at all surprised that Elon is apparently a fan of Heinlein’s work.)

Candescence (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Oh, no, I’m not. “Stranger in a Strange Land” is influential and revolutionary, but it’s also sexist, homophobic, racist in at least one scene and has some interesting (aka warped) ideas about consent (which hilariously also involves Heinlein’s self-insert character being sexually assaulted by the aforementioned sex cult and frames it like it was a good thing). Also, the cannibalism. Even one of its more positive ideas (that women can and should enjoy sex) is undermined by male characters calling sexually active women sluts and whores. It has some really cool ideas, but a lot of the book is flat-out bonkers even today.

He also wrote Starship Troopers, an arguably jingoistic and fascist novel that the film adaptation basically turned into satire. Heinlein is a revolutionary and influential author, but he’s also really goddamn problematic, especially in hindsight.

BernardoVerda (profile) says:

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Another example that reading something isn’t the same as understanding it. Your comprehension of Heinlein’s work is at best distinctly superficial.

(Incidentally, Starship Troopers the movie was not, despite the title, an adaptation of Starship Trooper the book, but merely stole elements of the book for superficial gloss. Verhoeven himself had no knowledge whatsoever of the novel until well after the project was underway, and well into writing the script — at which point one of the scriptwriters suggested such borrowing would help in fixing various difficulties they were having with the script, and gave Verhoeven a rough verbal summary of the novel. Verhoeven himself even confessed, after the movie’s release, to not having read beyond the second chapter of the book, if that much.)

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JMT (profile) says:

What could go wrong?

Grok is designed to answer questions with a bit of wit and has a rebellious streak, so please don’t use it if you hate humor!

Translation: The answer isn’t wrong, it’s just a joke!

A unique and fundamental advantage of Grok is that it has real-time knowledge of the world via the 𝕏 platform. It will also answer spicy questions that are rejected by most other AI systems.

Translation: It’s gonna get really racist in here really quick…

ECA (profile) says:

REAL problem?

Is when the computer DOES know whats happening, insted of the Random BS that we are fed.
When we DO ask a question we can get Someone to REALLY explain things.

I do not know about YOUR states, But Idaho is Diff from What I was used to. As during Elections we could VOTE for the bills. NOT just Which idiot.
Here in idaho…I have NOT seent he people getting to VOTE on the bills.

Anonymous Coward says:

Elon Musk released the initial version of the AI chatbot he created earlier this year via “xAI”

This is unlikely to be true. Elon Musk historically spends his wealth to purchase companies and then slaps his name over products as if he were a visionary and a creator, when really he’s just funding engineers to do the actual development. He it highly unlikely to have done any of the actual meaningful creation in the programming of the chatbot.

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