Funniest/Most Insightful Comments Of The Week At Techdirt
from the so-sayeth dept
This week, our first place winner on the insightful side is That One Guy deploying an overused (and often abused) quote for, in this case, a very apt purpose — responding to right wing denial about Republicans pushing to censor the internet:
Sure all the evidence shows it’s republicans censoring things but…
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984
As for the second place winner, it’s also the first place winner on the funny side. The comment is from Strawb, responding to the federal judge who said drag performances are not protected speech because they aren’t “political” enough:
Ah yes, that all-important, often-overlooked clause of the first amendment: “You have the right to free expression(except if your expression isn’t very political)”.
For editor’s choice on the insightful side, we start out with an anonymous comment responding to the very incorrect notion that non-binary identities are some sort of brand new, artificial invention:
Clearly you have no interest in history… Or other cultures for that matter.
In no particular order:
- The Hijras of India
- The Akkadian Empire (Of particular note is an story about Ishtar being rescued from the underworld by Asu-shu-namir, who is explicitly stated to be non-binary)
- Related to above, the Assyrians (particularly in relation to the cult of Inanna, whom later merged with other deities to become Ishtar)
- The Faʻafafine of Samoa (admittedly contentious debate due to western cultures having quite the culture clash in terms of gender ideology)
- Two-Spirit (umbrella term, used by various native American tribes)
In addition, There is scholarly debate as to whether or not the eunuchs were effectively treated as a third gender… For that matter they also debate (starting with the early Christian Theologian Tertullian) whether or not Jesus was an eunuch.
Next, it’s an anonymous comment about California’s version of FOSTA and the misguided belief that all issues can be solved without collateral damage if the nerds would just nerd harder:
We need a permalink article in the same vein as ‘You’re wrong about Section 230’ perhaps titled: “The Nerd Harder Fallacy.”
These bills and the people that cheerlead them suffer from the misapprehension that spam(bots), misinformation, CSAM, sex trafficking, youth mental illnesses and dysmorphias, etc. are really simple problems to solve, but Big Tech refuses to solve them because ‘profits,’ and so we need strong laws to force them to ‘deal with it.’
This is why court defeats don’t faze them. Court decisions on 1st Amendment grounds or standing issues sound like technicalities, not explanations on why their whole concept is wrong.
Asimov wrote “…an uninformed public tends to confuse scholarship with magicians…”
An XKCD comic was captioned “In C[omputer] S[cience] it can be hard to explain the difference between the easy and the virtually impossible.” Educating and convincing people that these are actually hard problems is going to be difficult, but is the only hope for the open Internet.
Over on the funny side, we’ve already had our first place winner above, so we move on to second place and another comment from That One Guy. It’s also about the judge denying free speech protections to drag shows:
Any day now…
Well I’m sure the usual talking heads always uncomplaining about ‘liberal judges legislating from the bench’ will be swift in their condemnation of this judge as well, I mean this is pretty blatantly a judge applying his own bigotry to suit his desires to squash speech he doesn’t like and to hell with the first amendment so I’m sure they’ll get right on condemning him for such a glaring abuse of power and attack on the first amendment.
For editor’s choice on the funny side, we start out with Nimrod and one more comment on that post:
Dress Codes
Since they’ve made attire such an issue, I submit that all elected officials should be required to wear oversized wingtip shoes, bright colored wigs and red rubber noses so that everyone is completely aware of exactly who and what they are.
Finally, it’s Stephen T. Stone with a response to a commenter fearmongering about overpopulation:
This sounds like something a comic book villain would say before trying to wipe out a significant chunk of human life.
That’s all for this week, folks!
Comments on “Funniest/Most Insightful Comments Of The Week At Techdirt”
Stephen T. Stone
Either that, or a wealthy criminal in a soap opera who planned to use a sophisticated pathogen as a bioweapon that made COVID-19 look like a picnic and Thanos’s plan the better half of the equation in terms of the Trolley Problem.
Re: I remember that happening in Babylon 5
Did it happen in other TV series as well?
This is fun
Human dystopia.
There seems to be Even in Nature science, the ability to HIDE things, considered Abnormal.
90% of this comes from YOU ARNT ALL ON FARMS. The 2 headed chicken wasnt born in the city. And Cities arnt Normal anyway.
FOSTA.
trying to make a HUMAN condition, a Computer one?
the idea that NERD HARDER WORKS?
Take simple code and watch dogs, and you can have 50-90% efficiency.
Make the Code 1000 times longer to DEAL with HUMANS, TRY to take out the watch dogs, and you get 90% Faults.
TRYING to teach the rich and mighty the ‘REALITY OF LIFE’, And that HUMANS have to FIX humans.
Deny Free speech to drag queens?
Only 1 thing to say about MAN’Kind. Shakespeare.
And the IDEA that MEN THOUGHT, that by the bible, MEN were the only ones Correct about anything.(stupid Bible)
Comment about Over population??
TO LATE, you should have been here in the 1960’s. Population ISNT the problem, its arable land. But along with that, Who do you Force to NOT Work, the farmers? NOPE.
You need to change peoples IDEALS. The Most dense populations have problems THEY CREATED. And Those BIBLE thumpers think we can OUT POPULATE all the others. QUIT THAT, and GIVE women a choice of Child birth, and we can solve 1/2 the problem.
Care for the women, RATHER then the MEN/BOYS.(as in INDIA, and MOSt of the middle east) and the problem should solve itself.
An excellent, and very applicable quote — unfortunately, it comes from a book.
Re: Books to burn
It wouldn’t surprise me if Nineteen Eighty Four, Brave New World, and Farenheit 451 all ended up on the MAGA challenged books list.
During the German Reich All Quiet On the Western Front was banned for being too anti-nationalist and anti-war.
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If the USA REALLY went Nationalist.
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Are you kidding? Those are their how-to guides.
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…because they’ve been on it since the 1950s?
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Surprise – TD pushing more pro-gender identity ideology content.
Absolutely disgusting and degenerate.
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Only to bigots like yourself.
Re: If God created everything
Whats your excuse?
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…said no functional human being, ever.
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Yeah, yeah, TD and their pro-facts agenda highlighting a comment that explains the facts.
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So you are against genders? Well, do keep descending into your hateful insanity, it’ll make you miserable for the rest of your pathetic life.
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He is confused enough..
He dont need any more choices.
Re: How popular are those opinions now bro?
Herman you free to fuck off and talk to your other friends… Oh wait you don’t have any friends do you? That’s why you hang out here with people who you despise.
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As it turns out, Hyman WAS banned from those fine conservative wateringholes.
I presume it’s because of how he acts, as seen on this site.
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*you’re
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fuck off herman jr.
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Buddy you are swearing at a stranger on an obscure tech blog while hiding behind anonymity. I think you should consider what choices in your life led to you making this comment at 3am eastern time.
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How do you know that they are in the US, it could have been morning coffee time for them when they made that comment,
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It’s funny he specifically mentioned a timezone but failed to consider that there’s a whole world outside the US. Can we get a yee-haw?
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Early morning or late night it’s still very sad. Anonymous Coward is fat and I would not have sex with him.
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You can practically hear the sad trombone gif playing while you typed that bro.
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Stephen T. Stone tier comment tbh
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And you’re pretending to be an dipshit elon fanboi in a shithole country. You ain’t got room to talk bro.
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I am whatever gender I fucking say I am and straight trash TERRORISTS like you are not going to stop me.
You are a BREEDER, a WASTE of resources, and we do not negotiate with TERRORISTS trying to inflict their straightness on Singapore.
TERRORIST. TERRORIST. TERRORIST.
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Why are you so bad at this herman?
Re: It's all made up
Gender, made up.
Sex, made up.
Your notions of natural, made up.
Why are we bickering over made up stuff?
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"Non-Binary Identity"
Of course non-binary identity was present in other cultures; insanity is a human condition, not a peculiarly modern one. But it makes no difference how older societies labeled and treated people with delusions about not being the gender of their bodies. Belief does not change physical reality. Just like all the religious beliefs of those cultures were and are false, so too their beliefs about gender possibly being other than the male/female binary are false.
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Your “physical reality” is so fucking made up it’s not even funny. You ignore things that are right in front of you like intersex people and natural formations of brain chemicals because people being different piss you off. Belief does not change physical reality, sure, but physical reality is so hard against you that you don’t even have belief anymore, it’s just fucking lies from you.
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The nice thing about physical reality is that it’s just there, and it doesn’t care what you think about it. You want to believe in silly woo , no one will stop you, but also it will never be real. People can only ever be the sex of their bodies. In a free society, people are free not act in accordance with gendered stereotypes, but they will never be other than either male or female, as their body dictates.
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I thought this was dealt with in a discussion not so long ago, about what biological science calls pseudohermaphroditism, and medical science intersex. When a body is visually a member of one sex but in reality contains the genitalia of the other sex, just inoperable.
Or to put it into simpler words, there is a continuum of gender, from the solidly heterosexual male through various intermediate stages to the solidly heterosexual female. This is medical fact.
Heck, if you doubt me, find a friendly local library and loan or interloan “Mutants” by Armand Marie Leroy. Jan 25, 2005, ISBN 9780142004821 if you doubt such a book exists.
Then you might have a clue what you’re talking about. But until then, I’ll read “Anonymous Coward” as “Ignorant Blowhard”.
Re: Re: Re:2 Intersex, hermaphroditism, etc.
There’s quite a range of genetic intersex traits, of which XY female and XX male are just two of the unusual combinations.
We also get ambiguous genitalia which doesn’t always correlate to genetic intersex designations. To this day, medical intervention is typical, in which the doctor chooses or allows the parents to choose a gender assignment. So yeah, it can be really arbitrary.
As we don’t commonly do genetic testing on our newborns, often intersex folk don’t know until their adolescence or adulthood when symptoms manifest and the society around them expects them to fit into a tidy, common category.
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The existence of a miniscule population of freakish “intersex” people doesn’t undermine the the validity of society’s traditional practice of classifying people as simply either male or female.
There’s no third gamete type beyond sperm or ova, so there are only two sexes. It’s binary.
Acknowledging the existence of rare difficult cases doesn’t weaken the position or arguments of right-thinking people like me against allowing males in female sports, prisons, restrooms and other female-only spaces. In fact, it’s a much stronger approach because it makes a crucial distinction that degenerate ideologues like you and most of the TD commentariat are at pains to obscure!
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You are so disconnected from reality you’d whine at me pointing at a random word in the dictionary because the definition doesn’t worship you. How fucking DARE you complain about what’s real and what isn’t?
Like seriously. All you have are constant lies about people you don’t even fucking know, and you can’t even convince people because the people that made your bullshit are doing shit calling people pedophiles for the stupidest-ass reasons while ignoring proof and admissions from your own. Shut the fuck up and think about your goddamn life instead of slinging shit.
Re: Re: Re:4 "Tradition"
The existence of a [minuscule] population of freakish “intersex” people doesn’t undermine the the validity of society’s traditional practice of classifying people as simply either male or female.
No. But the hypermasculinist rhetoric of the Christian nationalist movement / transnational white power movement is doing a fine, fine job of showing its trainwreck endgame.
The zoomers are noticing there isn’t a trait we desire in the characters of men that we don’t in women. All the things taught to me by my Boomer parents were masculine turned out to just be adulting.
And now we watch boomers on the House and Senate floors act like children. We watch Trump behave like a child during his presidency all the while the MAGAs worshiping him as the pinnacle of manhood.
You’ve taught the later generations the establishment is a court of gibbons that is glad to run human civilization to extinction, that tradition is informed by nonsense, that our elders don’t at all know what they’re doing.
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I’m a Muslim in Hamtramck, Michigan, so not sure why you think this applies to me!
Re: Re: Re:6 "But I'm a Muslim"
I’m a Muslim in Hamtramck, Michigan, so not sure why you think this applies to me!
As if it applied only to you? This isn’t about whether you or I agree with what’s going on.
If it weren’t for the movement, you’d still be keeping your Purge The Unclean, The Heretic, The Mutant opinions to yourself under your rock since they run diametrically opposite to civilization, and it would mark you as an extremist reactionary.
The only reason you are voicing such opinions now is because of the transnational white power movement, and the ground they’ve paved since the new century allowing for open discussion of unpersoning entire demographics, hoping someone among the comment readership agrees with you.
But the Protestant Evangelist scholars looking into this are terrified that after the situation blows (probably in a bloody civil war) there’s going to be an anti-Christianity movement that will put to shame France and the Soviet Union.
And likewise, don’t expect any seats at the table for cis-het men, let alone hyper-masculinist radicals like yourself.
You aren’t the only component in the machine, and when it reconfigures, you can expect to go back to keeping your bigotry to yourself, lest vetting connects you to your quasi-anonymous online musings.
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Then why you so mad about it bro? It’s almost like your mad at your self for I dounno… taking a wild guess, liking the cock.
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He’s mad we’re not dead in an unmarked grave yet.
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That’s exactly right. To these genocidal transmisiacs, the only good trans person is a dead trans person.
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Not just trans people, it also extends to anyone who doesn’t vote Republican.
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While I personally, as a right-leaning Jill Stein voter who backed Biden in 2020, would prefer that all advocates of gender ideology and the ghouls who profit from it be sent to death camps for liquidation, not one single “trans”-identifying person has been killed in a hate crime. Let alone is there a genocide against them. But keep being hysterical, Hymie!!
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lmao fuck off you Nazi bitch
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This is why your family hates u bro.
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Because teaching lies as truth is worth being angry about. Using lies to invade single-sex spaces is worth being angry about. Urging children to have themselves mutilated is worth being angry about. Being forced to affirm lies is worth being angry about.
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You call it anger, I suspect it’s really supressed self-loathing. Maybe get offline and go talk to a therapist.
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Gender is culturally defined, not biologically. There’s nothing in biology that says a person of certain genetic makeup is forbidden to wear certain clothing or behave in a certain manner. There’s nothing in biology that says persons of a certain genetic makeup have a right or a requirement to congregate exclusively with others of similar genetic makeup.
But you know that. Because you know this isn’t about biology. This is about people doing things you don’t like and can’t control.
Remove culturally-defined expectations related to genetic makeup, and this problem vanishes. But you know that too, and that’s why you’re so scared. You’re terrified at the idea of your culture fading.
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lmmfao. can’t believe this used to be a once-interesting blog that covered the tech industry, and not some super-douchey Democratic party circle-jerk on behalf of trannies and other weirdos.
Re: Re: Re: Fuck you!
You used a slur against people who are currently facing genocide. Whatever hole you crawled out of, go back in there and fuck off!
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Whiny misogynist men who want to be women and hate real women for being what they themselves can never be are not facing genocide. No one is killing these men, except perhaps when they’re Black prostitutes and face the same murder rate as any other criminally-adjacent young Black men.
WHat is being done, finally, is strong pushback against the most blatant lie that we have ever been asked to accept – that people can ever be a sex other than that of their body. If the trans-deluded want to live their lie, that’s their business, but more and more, they will no longer be allowed to force those lies on people who know them for what they are, but perhaps have been so far too scared to speak what they know. What is being done, finally, is strong pushback against the epidemic of mutilation in which the bodies of mentally ill children are being destroyed in the service of a delusion. What is being done, finally, is the opening up of “science” to reveal the festering sores of ideology that have perverted any chance of discovering truth.
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e.g. you.
I know many feminists and trans rights activists and they’re not fucking TERFs like you are.
As Stephen T. Stone repeated points out, just because they’re not in gas chambers now, doesn’t mean they won’t be in there eventually at this rate of how things are going. Also, if Trans people aren’t being killed, how do you explain Trans Rememberance Day? You don’t honor the memories of people who aren’t being killed en masse…
Jamie Lee Curtis’ chromosomes are XXY. Are you saying she’s not female? Because that’s what you’re basically saying.
How exactly are Trans people “forcing [their] lies” on other people? By making bathrooms gender-neutral? By improving the English language? By being free to be themselves and improve their mental health?
I think you’re the one who’s forcing lies on people, not them.
For one thing, the regret rate of gender-affirming care for Trans people is so close to zero it might as well be zero. If they have any regrets, it’s due to Nazis like you and not their own mental health.
Re: Re: Re:4 'How dare you try to force your lie of 'equality' down my throat!'
How exactly are Trans people “forcing [their] lies” on other people? By making bathrooms gender-neutral? By improving the English language? By being free to be themselves and improve their mental health?
It’s amazing how their same argument is just a rehashing of previous anti-equality backlashes, not too long ago it could have been said about homosexual people striving for equality and acceptance, just a bit before that those that put forth the positively batty ideas that women and/or black people should be seen and treated as equal to white men…
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Stone is an idiot. “If you call me deluded you will want to kill me” is pure emotional blackmail. It can be said by anyone about literally any belief that is being met with skepticism.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Curtis has physical or genetic anomalies.
Trans-deluded people are forcing their lies on others by trying to force their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them, by teaching their false beliefs as true in public schools, by getting mentally ill children to request having their bodies mutilated, and by forcing ordinary people to sign these letters incorrectly, such as through being asked for their “sex assigned at birth” when sex is never assigned, just observed and noted.
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I may be cringe, but you’re an anti-queer bigot, and that’s worse.
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You can leave any time herman. But you just can’t bring yourself to, because no one else will talk to you.
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That’s not gender. Gendered behavior, maybe. As long as the words for the genders are the same as the words for sex, man/male and woman/female, then gender will be the same as sex. Gendered behavior can be stereotypically masculine or stereotypically feminine, but even when a man behaves stereotypically feminine or a woman stereotypically masculine, their gender is still the same as their sex. In particular, they are also never “non-binary” or “gender-queer”. They are always just men and women according to their bodies, regardless of how they choose to comport themselves.
People have cultural, social, and religious taboos against mixing sexes in certain contexts. There is no reason that people should be expected to give these up for the sake of people who are deluded about their own sex. The deluded people do not have a greater right to their beliefs. Certainly in the case of male rapists who claim to be female and demand incarceration in women’s prisons, and male athletes who claim to be women and steal medals from real women in women’s sports events that allow such deluded men to compete, the more that misogynist trans-deluded activists push for this to be accepted, the more acceptance of the trans delusion falls.
The things that need to be controlled are that people must not be allowed to enter single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them, false ideas about sex and gender must not be taught as true in public schools, public schools must not be permitted to conceal the mental illness of children from their parents, and people must not be forced to affirm the falsehoods about sex and gender, even indirectly, such as being asked about “assigned” sex.
People who want to live their trans delusion without doing the above things should be free to do so. This is the same way that religion is treated in free societies, and for the same reasons; you may believe your own lies, but you can’t force them on other people.
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Says the man forcing this Nazi diatribe onto us because we can’t outright ban you.
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That is no more than an excuse for your bigotry, and typical of conspiracy theorists, intentionally misusing words to support their beliefs.
One day, maybe, you will realize different people have different beliefs, and so long as they cause you no physical harm, they should be left to their own beliefs, and converted to your views. You are acting as a violent conformist where everybody else has to conform your beliefs or suffer violence.
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People teaching and spreading lies as truth harm everyone. People can only be the sex of their bodies, and people who claim otherwise are having children mutilated through their views. People forcing their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them harm the people who do not want them there – the existence of such spaces means that the people who use them want them that way.
Your weasel words “physical harm” tell on you, and after all, not allowing men into women’s spaces doesn’t cause them physical harm either, unless they resist being thrown out.
It is not being a “violent conformist” to confront liars and push back on their attempts to get other people to accept their lies.
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I’d rather share a men’s locker room with a trans man than a transmisic bigot like you.
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My Chasidic male cousins would furiously object to having a woman present when going for their ritual immersions, and my Chasidic female cousins would riot if their “mikveh lady” were a man.
You don’t get to have single-sex spaces violated by the presence of people whose bodies disqualify them just because you don’t care. If even a single person does care, the trans-deluded people should be barred from entering. They can go to the space that matches their body, they can find a mixed-sex space, or they can walk out the door.
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As those ceremonies are not carried out in public rest rooms, that is hardly a reason for being a transmisic bigot.
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Y’know, for someone who thinks gender is the same as sex and therefore a biologically immutable fact of nature, you’re saying an awful lot of shit that sounds like gender needs to be enforced by the legal system, violence, or threats thereof.
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Gender is the same as sex, and single-sex spaces should prevent people of the wrong sex from entering, by whatever means are appropriate – security guards, lawsuits, physical checks.
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No, it isn’t. Try to keep up.
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“Gender is the same as sex”
So, why 2 different words?
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Because language. Also, gender is used to describe words, for example aviatrix/aviator or actress/actor.
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OK. But, your examples described the same thing but with a different gender attached. Gender and sex aren’t the same concept.
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Then why aren’t you mad at Fox News for being a right-wing propaganda mill?
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I would be if I ever watched them. They’re intolerable after about a minute. And if there were defenders of wrong right-wing policies here, I would argue against them as well. Rod Dreher banned me from commenting on his blog for such arguments.
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How does it feel bro? Literally the only place that haven’t banned you is run by the people you despise. That’s gotta burn like a ghost pepper burrito.
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But I like hot peppers! Getting banned for speaking against prevailing falsehoods on a site is fun. Every once in a while I get blocked by a user on X, and I get the same little jolt of amusement.
I don’t despise the TechDirt folks just because they’re sometimes wrong. Most of the time, their posts are OK enough that I don’t bother saying anything. Even Cushing’s endless diatribes against law enforcement have a grain of truth, although he only ever writes about the bad incidents. I don’t respect the writers here very much any more, because I think they have fallen down a rabbit hole of false beliefs that influence what they write about and how they cover topics, but there’s still value to be had.
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That’s seriously sad bro. No wonder no one can stand you. The only thing that could be more pathetic is repeatedly pretending to be a radical trans activist and getting calls out on it every single time.
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Not really sad. I’m not here to be liked, and if I’m enjoying myself, I don’t really care what you think about it. You’re doing the same sort of thing, after all, getting your own little frisson of enjoyment by thinking that you’re getting my goat by pretending I’m the author of posts that I haven’t written. Just think of it as illuminating the manuscript containing the serious underlying arguments with fancy ribald illustrations.
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Bro you admitted you did it. Little late to take it back and pretend you aren’t as big of hypocritical piece of shit as you are. But hey keep totally not caring so much you write entire paragraphs about how much you don’t care.
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That is exactly what you are doing by insisting that sex and gender are the same thing.
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You are, though, by decrying the fucking DSMV and staying silent when News Corp spaws lies about everything.
Or when Bloomberg is carrying the Murdoch torch and being a disinfo agent for the fucking ISPs and you say nothing.
Oh, and I’d rather listen to the trans athletes themselves, rather than a Nazi like you. At least they’re on the fucking ground, navigating these tricky spaces.
As always, I’ll see YOU in Hell. You’ll be there once the rest of us are DEAD.
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The DSMV is a political work. If you need more evidence of how science has been corrupted in the name of ideology, there’s this: Anthropology Conference Drops a Panel Defending Sex as Binary
Hell, like gods, does not exist. One of the major disappointments of being an atheist is knowing that believers in an afterlife will never see they were wrong.
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And this is the fundamental underlying basis for your hate. Every reason you give, every excuse you make to justify yourself is built on these “cultural, social, and religious taboos.” Well guess what… those aren’t facts. Those are beliefs.
You claim that trans people are deluded not on any fact-based claim, but on the basis of your beliefs.
And yet here you are, claiming a greater right to your beliefs and trying to force them on other people.
Re: Re: Re:2 Not the sort of legacy I'd way to carry on with...
And this is the fundamental underlying basis for your hate. Every reason you give, every excuse you make to justify yourself is built on these “cultural, social, and religious taboos.” Well guess what… those aren’t facts. Those are beliefs.
Not to mention not too long ago those same beliefs/argument were used against the idea of mixing races or allowing women to have any sort of authority and/or autonomy, showing just what sort of company they are keeping and what side of history they’ve decided they want to carry the legacy of.
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Trans people are deluded because the facts of physical reality dictate that people can only ever be the sex of their body.
The sex-segregation taboos are indeed beliefs, and society is organized such that people with those beliefs get to indulge them. We have single-sex bathrooms, locker rooms, prisons, and sports leagues. People with delusions about their sex do not get to intrude into those spaces, any more than people who do not share belief in kosher food get to heat their pork in the kosher kitchen.
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As has been repeatedly pointed out, no trans person is denying biology. This is entirely about a person wanting to live in society in a manner consistent with their self-perception despite expectations based on biology. You just don’t want them to do that because your cultural beliefs differ and you don’t want your culture to die.
I mean, we could just be teaching our kids that there’s nothing weird about a naked body, and people should be treated equally and with dignity and respect regardless of what’s between their legs. But what would happen to your cherished taboos in that case?
Only the beliefs you agree with, apparently.
Then when people set up spaces that aren’t single-sex, you don’t get to come along and demand them to be changed to accommodate your beliefs.
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You are welcome to try to get people to change their taboos. That has already happened in various ways, such as the rougher images and language that now regularly appear on TV shows and in movies. I expect you will fail.
People are free to indulge whatever beliefs they may have; they are not free to impose those beliefs on people who don’t share them.
People are welcome to set up mixed-sex spaces without objection from me. If they set up only mixed-sex spaces in areas where people want single-sex spaces, those people will object, though.
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lest common denominator
All of the ancient cultures that believed in trannies, also believed in a magic sky daddy.
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you’re the second person in the comments section who used an anti-Trans slur. I guess now that trans people are being sytemically persecuted by half of the United States, there’s no use to pretend that this persecution isn’t motived by pure, unbridled hate.
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Not true, most had many gods of varying sexual proclivities.
The Nerd Harder Fallacy: Why Tech Issues are Often More Complex than They Seem
It’s become increasingly common to hear accusations that Big Tech is failing to adequately address pressing online issues like misinformation, illegal content, and harms to youth. The narrative goes that these are simple problems to solve, but companies refuse due to profit motives. As such, strong regulations are needed to force their hands.
On the surface, this viewpoint seems reasonable – why wouldn’t billion-dollar companies want to curb harmful activities on their platforms? When it comes to technology, appearances can be deceiving, and what seems straightforward is often anything but.
Take spam and bots as an example. At first glance, detecting and blocking inauthentic accounts doesn’t seem overly complicated – companies have enormous troves of user data, so how hard can it be? In reality, spammers and bots are actively trying to evade detection through deception. As detection methods advance, so do circumvention techniques. It’s an endless cat-and-mouse game, and a near-perfect solution remains elusive.
Similarly, policing illegal content like CSAM involves nuanced challenges. Effective screening requires comprehensive image databases and AI that can understand context. But building such capabilities risks function creep and privacy issues down the road. There are no easy technological fixes here.
Regulating complex societal issues on platforms is equally tricky. Where do we draw the line on content that poses risks to youth, but also suppresses open debate? How do we balance kids’ wellbeing with civil liberties? One size rarely fits all when it comes to cultural issues embedded in technology.
The path forward requires nuance, not Nerd Harder narratives. We must partner with experts to understand problems fully before demanding fixes. And we should avoid assuming the moral high ground until appreciating challenges from all sides. With open dialogue and empathy, perhaps we can make headway on issues too oft cast as simple when they are anything but.
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Lets seee.
Taking a basic structure of what to monitor and have a 50-90% chance of catching something, IF’ you have enough people monitoring what the computer found.
OR
A complicated over written HOG of a program that THINKS it knows HUMANS, and how they communicate, trying to discern and analyze WTF is going on and is 90% WRONG. But is 100 times larger then the basic way. and 100 times slower.
Understanding HUMANS, isnt easy unless you are Poor.
Consider the idea of Who and HOW, you are going to steal a child.
Look at those discovered in the past, and HOW rich they were.
Until we have the power to enforce laws on Everyone EQUALLY.. its just wont work.
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“Transwomen” are men. They’re biological males. You deluded, degenerate Democrats can claim otherwise, but Mother Nature remains undefeated.
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If gender is a biological certainty, why do you need the legal system, violence, or threats thereof to uphold gender?
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For the same reason we need a police force to shoot thieves. We are not “upholding gender”, we are upholding single-sex spaces by preventing people whose bodies disqualify them from intruding. The trans-deluded people are only ever the sex of their bodies regardless of what they think, but being that sex does not intrinsically stop them from entering. Only people enforcing boundaries can do that.
You really are an idiot, aren’t you?
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Distinction without a difference. Nobody submits to a DNA test and genital inspection before entering a public restroom, after all.
Treating gender the same as sex is about reinforcing a strict gender binary. In doing so, you get to say that one of those two groups of people should be treated differently by the law. And by refusing to treat identities outside of the gender binary as valid, you are essentially proving that gender isn’t the same thing as biological sex. After all, if it were the same, you wouldn’t be able to take it away from other people the way you want to take a trans person’s gender identity away from them.
The point of the binary is conformity: “Be what you’re supposed to be or suffer.” The only way to uphold that conformity—to uphold the gender binary despite gender supposedly being a natural and immutable human trait—is through laws, violence, or the threat thereof. You can’t really deny any of that because you’ve been saying that trans people must conform to a “traditional” form of gender if they don’t want to be pushed out of society (or into a fresh grave). If you really believed otherwise, you would be trying so hard to convince me of that. You have instead convinced me that you would have no problem with trans people being murdered by radical gender enforcement ideologues for being trans and gay people being tortured by fundamentalist religious fanatics for being gay. Bravo, my dude—you’re no better than a Nazi.
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Very much a distinction with a difference. That people lie and cheat to enter spaces from which they are rightfully excluded means that more, not less, enforcement is necessary, just as the IRS needs to have its staff increased to catch tax evaders.
You are an idiot. Gender and sex are the same, and there are liars claiming they are not and using that claim to intrude into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them. Such people are exactly the same as those who claim to be “sovereign citizens” and therefore not required to pay taxes. When someone makes up a bogus claim and uses that claim to get something to which they are not entitled, it is necessary to prevent them from doing that. When sovereign citizens get thrown in jail for tax evasion, that is not proof that being a sovereign citizen is real, it is proof that making up stuff doesn’t get you anywhere when the justice system deals with you properly.
The point of the binary is that it is physical reality, and people hallucinating otherwise don’t get to override the spaces of normal people who understand that. If a trans-deluded man wants to wear lipstick and a wig and a dress and have his penis and testicles cut off and replaced with a gaping wound, that’s between him and his doctor. If he wants to enter women’s single-sex spaces, he is going to have the sex binary held up to him to stop him, because his delusion of being a women obligates no one else to affirm that.
No amount of your screeching “Nazi!” is going to change the reality that people come in exactly two immutable sexes, normal people know that, and deluded people aren’t going to be allowed where they don’t belong.
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And you are one of those who would make it dangerous for a trans woman to enter a male only space, or a trans man to enter a female only space, as they would not appear to be the right sex to use that space. That is you would make it impossible for trans people to exist unless they behave in an appropriate fashion for their sex.
Why the hell are you so against people who on the whole would do you no harm?
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It is the responsibility of the owners or managers of any space to make sure that the space is safe to use for its patrons. If they fail in their duty, they should be sued appropriately.
Deluded people who seek to forcibly enroll the world in their delusions are doing everyone harm, and need to be stopped.
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That’s easy!
CAN SOMEONE UNPLUG THIS DUDE’S COMPUTER?
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You suffer from the delusion that every owner or manager of every space that isn’t explicitly and specifically self-categorized as “for trans people only” must prevent trans people from entering that space to keep other people safe. Or to put it another way, you believe all trans people are inherently a threat to the safety and security of all cis people (but especially cis women). Under such thinking, you can offer no solutions for “protecting” cis people from the evils of trans people existing in public that aren’t segregation, expulsion from society, or death—i.e., that aren’t about hurting trans people.
You are no better than a Nazi. At least have the balls to own your bigotry and your hatred and your anti-trans genocide fantasies instead of hiding behind “politeness” and “civility” and the idea that you’re just a “truth-teller”. That specific glamour fell months ago; all you’re doing now is holding up a transparent mask and demanding us to believe we can’t see through it.
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No. This has little to do with safety in many cases. We have social, cultural, and religious taboos against mixing sexes in certain contexts, and those taboos need no justification to exist and be honored other than the fact that they do, even though justifications can be given for various cases.
Many people do not want to see arbitrary people of the opposite sex naked, and do not want to be seen naked by people of the opposite sex. While there are issues of safety here for women in bathrooms and locker rooms, even if those were eliminated, the taboos would remain. People with the trans delusion do not get to go into single-sex bathrooms or locker rooms for which their bodies disqualify them regardless of how benign they may be.
Criminal men should not be incarcerated together with women in women’s prisons, and here, of course, safety is very much the issue. Something like half of the men claiming to be women in order to get into women’s prisons are sex offenders.
For obvious reasons of fairness, as well as safety in physical contact sports, men should not be allowed to compete in women’s sporting events.
No matter how much you screech “Nazi!” the real world is never going to comport itself to your delusion that people can ever be a sex other than that of their body.
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No, it’s almost always presented as a safety issue of some sort—and considering how trans women have this bullshit heaped on them a majority of the time, it’s framed as a “keep ‘real’ women safe” issue.
And if the owner of a space says “fuck your taboos, trans people are welcome here”, what you want is for the owner of that space to suffer legal, social, and (potentially) violent consequences for accepting trans people into that space.
And no matter how much you deny it, your obsession with the genitals of other people and your desire to segregate out of society people whose genitals don’t match your expectations are straight out of the Nazi playbook. Violence is a last resort—and as time goes on and trans people become more accepted in society, violence will be all you have left. You will physically hurt trans people in your lifetime; all it will take is pressure and time.
tick tock, motherfucker
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It’s presented as a safety issue because women have very good cause to fear men who intrude into their spaces. But even when it is not a safety issue, many people are still socialized to avoid nudity in mixed-sex contexts. Trans-deluded people don’t get to override that.
If the owner of a space wants to have it be mixed-sex, that’s fine. International chess tournaments, for example, have women’s tournaments and open tournaments; there are no dedicated men’s tournaments.
As time goes on, the social trans delusion will fade, just as facilitated communication and recovered memory have faded. The trans-deluded people will remain, and they will be prevented from intruding into spaces for which their bodies disqualify them, the trans-delusion will not be taught as true in public schools, and medical intake forms will go back to asking just for a person’s sex, not “sex assigned at birth”. The trans-deluded people will have to go back to just living their lives without any expectation that normal people will accept their claims about what sex they are.
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Again: If the gender binary were a biological certainty like sex (as you have so often claimed), you wouldn’t need the law, violence, or threats thereof to enforce gender. That you see a need for such enforcement only proves my points: Gender identity isn’t sex and non-binary identities exist regardless of whether you think they’re valid.
Except it’s not. Sex is more than a simple binary; if even a proportional handful of people in the world have sexual characteristics other than a simple XX or XY, they prove that sex isn’t a strict one-or-the-other binary. Gender isn’t even sex because gender isn’t about biology, but about the social and psychological markers we use to categorize people as “men” or “women”. You can’t claim that gender is the same as sex, then demand that the law (or violent shitbags) police who gets to go into what spaces based on anything but biological sex.
I’m not “screeching” anything. I’m telling you, politely and in no uncertain terms, that your ideology makes you no better than a Nazi—and in case you needed reminding, the Nazis also murdered plenty of queer people. You’ll end up doing what they did sooner or later; all it takes is two precious elements: pressure and time.
tick tock, motherfucker
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And yet everything from medical and psychology text books to the freaking dictionary define them differently. Are they all wrong and you, random internet commenter, are actually right? Or are you just spouting ignorant bile because you hate yourself? It’s not hard to decide!
Next thing you’ll be claiming weather and climate also the same…
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Dude we get it, you’re a closet case. Just get Grindr already.
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And I am telling you, you are an idiot.
Gender and sex are the same. People are capable of lying and disguising themselves as members of the opposite sex, and especially now that people like you are telling them that it’s OK to do that, extra vigilance is required to stop them.
Gender identity is a meaningless concept. People are only male or female. In a free society, people can comport themselves as they wish, including adopting stereotypical dress and behavior of the opposite sex, but that changes nothing about what they are, and it does nothing to gain them admission into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them.
There are a tiny number of people with genetic and birth defects that cause them to be abnormal with respect to sexual development and appearance. Those people are not a different sex or a mixed sex. They are just broken versions of normal males and females.
No matter how much you screech “Nazi!”, the facts of physical reality will not change. And as usual, my beliefs are my own. I do not care whether other people who share those beliefs also hold others that I do not share.
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With your attitude, you will make it almost impossible for a trans person to exist in public while doing nothing to stop the rare and occasional sexual predator from disguising themselves to enter spaces reserved for members of the opposite sex. Therefore what you want will increase suicides, without stopping sexual offenses, a high price to pay for an ineffective policy.
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This is garbage and emotional blackmail. Trans- deluded people can and do exist in public. Where they have colonized local government, they can already intrude into restrooms for which their bodies disqualify them. The Supreme Court has already said that they may dress at work in clothing stereotypically of the sex they are not.
What they cannot do is force people to affirm their delusions, any more than religious people can. They will always be only the sex of their bodies, no matter how much they might wish and believe otherwise, and they will not be able to stop people from saying so, no matter how much they hate hearing it. And with luck, they will not be able to project their delusions onto vulnerable mentally ill children to get them to mutilate their bodies at an age where they are too young to realize how destructive this will be to the rest of their lives.
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The only one here demanding that people affirm a “radical gender ideology” is you.
The only people who destroy the lives of trans people—to the point where they commit suicide at a higher rate than other segments of the population—are bigots like you.
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I bet you don’t even see the irony of using the word stereotype* in this context. A stereotype is literally a social construct, just like gender is. You undermine your own already weak argument.
“A widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing”
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If you want gender to be a social construct, make up new words for the feminine and masculine genders. But you won’t, because the trans-deluded want to conflate sex and gender. They motte-and-bailey, talking about sex to friendly audiences and claiming that it’s only about gender when the audience is hostile.
If the trans-deluded didn’t think that gender and sex were the same, they wouldn’t be hacking off body parts to make themselves into caricatures of the sex they can never be.
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Here’s some words for you: Acault, Quariwarmi, Whakawahine, Mahu, Muxhe, Ninauposkitzipxpe, Lhamana, Winkte, Alyha, Hwame, Bangala, Mino, Ashtime, Sekrata. And there’s many more. Gender is a social construct you uneducated fool, there are many cultures that have more genders than just feminine or masculine. You would know this if you actually bothered to learn about something beyond the horizon of your bigoted idiocy.
I’m sure you have made an in-depth study of this, spending like 2 seconds on it. You know why I know this? Because trans-people are extremely aware that sex and gender isn’t remotely the same thing. The only ones conflating the two are bigots, you know those who say things like “they will be prevented from intruding into spaces for which their bodies disqualify them”.
Oh, I’m sure you can give us voluminous examples of this happening everywhere. I’ll just note that things happening inside your head doesn’t count.
Correction, it’s what you think they think. Whatever sick fantasies are spinning around in your pea-sized brain, they have nothing to do with reality.
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To be fair, he wants to make it impossible for trans people to exist, period. If some of them have to die, that is a sacrifice he and his TERF allies are willing to make—by their own hands, if necessary. (Seriously, I’d bet money that Hyman masturbates to the idea of killing trans people.)
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I’d argue sacrifice is wholly the wrong word here. That would imply some sort of loss to them.
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If a bunch of mentally-ill transgender-identifying people kill themselves as the result of strict enforcement of public single-sex spaces, all the better. 41% already do, right? Would be great to see 50+% self-terminate!
Regardless, fck off with your emotional blackmail BS.
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If you’re going to sockpuppet, Hyman, you probably shouldn’t use similar phrases—e.g., “emotional blackmail”—in separate posts. That makes it easy for people to pick out your sockpuppeting.
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Hyman has no choice but to sockpuppet because there isn’t a single human here who holds the same mentally ill delusions that he does.
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I may be cringe, but you’re a hateful bigot, and that’s always going to be worse.
Either gender is a biological imperative that doesn’t need legal/social enforcement or gender is a social construct that necessarily requires legal/social enforcement to maintain. You can’t have it both ways here, son.
For what reason, then, are you assigning it so much meaning by demanding that gender identities be enforced by laws, violence, or threats thereof?
And yet, in your ideal “free society”, a man who wears a dress in public would likely be beaten to death—by the cops, no less!—for refusing to conform with the strict biological gender binary that somehow demands he wear “men’s clothing”. After all, you’re the one who keeps calling for strict enforcement of the gender binary, and violence is the strongest enforcement possible.
But they do prove that sex is not as simple as a mere XX-or-XY binary. They exist outside of the binary, regardless of their numbers or the extent of how they break the binary. And you can’t say they don’t exist or refer to their existence as a “mistake” because neither of those things are true.
The fact that you don’t see them as human unless they can be categorized into one of two distinct categories—one of which you’ve been treating as inherently lesser than the other, regardless of whether you realize it—says more about you than anything you can say in your own defense.
Yes, yes, you think you’re a special snowflake and socially linking yourself with Nazi-esque ideology somehow doesn’t make you a bigot. We get it. Go delude yourself somewhere else.
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Your fantasies of people being beaten to death because they do not conform to gender stereotype seem to be some deep-seated desire within you, since you write about it so often. Your are like those white supremacists who masturbate to thoughts of a race war.
It’s going to be much simpler than that. Trans- deluded people are going to go about their lives without being allowed to force their views on others or be able to intrude into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them, and people like you are going to have apoplectic fits of frustration at not being able to get your way. No more men in women’s bathrooms or prisons or sports, that’s all.
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Except they’re not fantasies. Trans people have been killed for being trans; that their murders are largely ignored by society (including the police) doesn’t change that fact. The reason I keep bringing up such deaths is because the kind of bigots with whom you’ve aligned yourself are the kind of bigots who would, were it wholly legal to do so, kill trans people as a means of “protecting society”.
As opposed to you, who believes you should be able to force your ideology upon trans people without consequence.
You can say that, but your crusade won’t stop there. It’ll never stop there. I’ve been around long enough to know that the anti-trans movement will do everything they can to marginalize and oppress trans people so trans people can never have a peaceful existence where they can be out in public and enjoy all the same rights as everyone else. How do I know this? Because that was the same playbook those pricks tried with gay people. Transphobia is homophobia with the serial numbers filed off—and once trans people are “taken care of”, the anti-trans crowd will turn their attention back to queer people in general. And you will fall in lockstep with them because you’re either that much of a contrarian troll or you’re desperate to fit in with people whose obsessive hate for queer people drives them to violence.
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While I personally do think that trans-identifying people and their enablers should be “taken care of” (your words – I prefer “liquidated”), gender identity ideology itself is homophobic and your attempt to muddy the waters is disgusting.
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Essentially the only trans women who are killed are Black prostitutes, namely criminal or criminal-adjacent young Black men, and they die at the same rate as other such Black men. It makes for that intersectionality so beloved of your sort.
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The funny thing is, men in women’s bathrooms was not an issue until the society became more conscious of its trans population and their need for accommodation. The trans athlete controversy is actually a narrowly focused segment of a larger one: what makes sports worthwhile, since I suspect any one of us trying to outrun Usain Bolt in a 100M dash would seem laughably absurd.
(Regarding trans athletes, Sabine Hossenfelder makes a very valid point that when we’re not being political and trying to punch down at a specific demographic, we expand or contract our categories to keep things interesting. Boxing has weight categories as well as sex-segregated leagues, for instance. When it comes to trans athletes the question isn’t whether they should be allowed to compete with cis contestants, but ultimately if that would be interesting to watch. Every time someone comes up with a new way of swimming, or a new way to leap higher or get an edge, sports enthusiasts have to deliberate whether this is grounds to disqualify them, or let the sport be changed.)
But what I’ve been seeing really is trans-exclusionist political activists looking to unperson and call for the annihilation of trans folk, to which denying them public bathroom access or denying them participation in sports are just for starters. People like Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull and Maya Forstater and Senator Marsha Blackburn are very clear about their interest to detect, hunt down and annihilate trans-folk.
So when you proffer that your condemnation of the trans person has limits, I see an argument in bad faith. Not only do I not believe you, but those in your own movement don’t believe you either. It’s a deception. And as I see it, a willful, malicious one.
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The “funny” thing is that statistically, trans women are way more likely to be victims of assault than perpetrators. Also, that such people have existed for many years, but it didn’t become a problem until it was decided that gay people deserve equal rights, so an new vulnerable population was needed to be the scapegoat.
I’ve been in gender-neutral spaces, unisex toilets, talked to trans women and men, and so on, and not had a problem. I wonder why these people make it so much of their personality.
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“The world is being less accomodating to my ideology and I don’t like it!” is pretty much the reason.
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Of course they should be annihilated. But at minimum, they should be prevented from entering the single-sex spaces their biological sex disqualifies them from.
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But don’t call you a Nazi, I presume, lol
OK. So, you’re OK with this biological woman entering the ladies’ bathroom? https://www.npr.org/2015/04/19/400826487/transgender-man-leads-mens-health-cover-model-contest
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Yes. She might have to answer some questions, but that’s what happens when you choose to disguise yourself. The mutilation scars on her chest will be a giveaway.
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Not the annihilator, BTW, just answering the question.
It does demonstrate the difficulty of distinguishing speakers when anonymous posting is permitted and people become better at impersonating others.
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Only if HE is bare chested, and only a pervert would demand that a woman strips to the waist when using a public restroom.
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Oh, FFS, give me a break. What’s more likely to happen is that you’ll attack and reject biological women who don’t look stereotypically feminine enough for you.
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Women may present as they like. Women belong in women’s single-sex spaces regardless of how they look. That’s why those spaces are labeled “women”, not “feminine”.
No matter how much you hate the idea that humans come in exactly two immutable sexes, humans come in exactly two immutable sexes.
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Not according to the transphobes who think that any woman who looks a little masculine must be the “other”.
They’re labelled like that because men’s toilets have urinals and women need more cubicles. But, if we go along with that – really, you don’t think that some women aren’t having problems with such spaces because they don’t fit a certain description?
I wish I was joking, but there are plenty of examples of actual women being attacked because someone decided they might be trans, even though they were actually 100% female.
Reality and science, with their knowledge of intersex, hermaphrodite, and many other differences disagree with you.
This is the real problem. Even if you’re determined to pretend that sex and gender are the same thing, biology is more complicated than what you learned in whatever 101 course you pretended to pay attention to.
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Hermaphrodites aren’t real, and intersex people are still biologically male or female.
Better to just admit that you’re a men’s rights campaigner, since that what being a trans-rights advocate actually entails.
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I’m sure you’ll provide the evidence for that…
…and maybe some idea of what the hell you’re talking about here? Even if you’re opposed to trans rights, you do understand that there’s more than MTF trans people, right?
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All women have permission to enter women’s single-sex spaces. If there are people who get in the way of that, they need to be stopped. As always, this is the responsibility of the owners and managers of those spaces.
People have social, cultural, and religious taboos against mixing sexes in certain contexts, and that’s why we have designated single-sex spaces. Your devising “reasons” why those designations should be ignored are not binding on anyone else. As long as there is a single woman who does not want men in her bathrooms, locker rooms, prisons, and sports teams, for any reason or for no reason, then men should be kept out.
Humans come in exactly two immutable sexes. Sometimes humans have genetic or developmental defects that cause the expression of their single immutable sex to be broken. That brokenness is not a new sex or an intermediate sex. Even the movie “Every Body”, a documentary about intersex people, featured three people who despite those anomalies were just men.
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OK. So, how does that affect trans men, masculine looking women? Hell, how does that affect a young boy whose mother takes him into the toilet?
They used to have that about mixing races, but they got over it. Well, mostly.
I’ll just note that the people who have a problem with it don’t typically seem to be the people who think that women are equal to men.
Define “men”. Because I always find it funny that you people always obsess over MTF trans people and never the other way around, and the other natural biological ways in which people can differ.
Also that you think that unisex facilities mean that someone must be doing something wrong there, rather than just a more efficient use of space.
Yes, I’m aware of the fiction you people need t make your bigotry make sense. Reality is complicated. You want to believe that chromosomes only come in XX or Xy flavours, but that doesn’t help the people aware of XXXXY.
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You’re right – it’s a crying shame that miscegenation is no longer illegal in the U.S.
At least Singapore remains a shining beacon of a city-state striving to ensure and protect racial harmony.
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Yeah, it’s a damn shame that the system here doesn’t allow us to block and ignore hateful bigots.
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No one gives a shit about mentally-ill women who think they’re men, since actual men don’t have any compunction about telling them to get the fuck out of the men’s room and go to the ladies’ loo.
Plus, they’re no threat to cheat male athletes (since they’re inherently weaker females, and even if they’re doping w/ testosterone to put hair on their mutilated chests, they won’t be permitted to compete in Olympic sports [at any level]).
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Trans men are women. They can use women’s restrooms and not men’s restrooms.
Little children generally get a free pass if they’re with a parent.
Comparing mixing races to mixing sexes is a false dichotomy. Trans-deluded activists aren’t asking for single-sex spaces to be abolished, they’re demanding that certain people whose bodies disqualify them, but not all people, be allowed into those spaces. If trans-deluded activists do want such abolition, they should say so. (And that will, of course, go even more poorly for them than the current activism.)
Women should have equal rights to men. That is, they should have equality, not equity. Men continue to be on average taller and stronger than women, and better chess players. In situations where such things matter, men will dominate, and that’s why separate women’s leagues exist.
The reason there is emphasis on trans women is that trans women are men, and trans women activists act as men do – they are misogynist and violent. Also, as men, they are threatening to women because they dominate in sports and are bigger and stronger than women, and therefore seen as dangerous. A male rapist in a women’s prison is someone to be feared. Men are generally less sensitive to women invading their spaces.
A man is a person with XY chromosomes and testes. There are men who have genetic and developmental abnormalities that might result in defective expression of their physical maleness, because evolution is a hodgepodge of things thrown against a wall. In no case is a man ever a man by virtue of self-identifying as one without the physical aspects that accompany that sex.
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OK, but I think that might result in a lot more problems than them using a stall in the men’s.
OK, I was wondering where the wall of bullshit was going. I didn’t expect this lie, but it’s something
You’ve not met the trans women I have lol. Most don’t care about sports – that’s the fearmongering that bigots have brought up btw – and they’re not generally bigger.
In fact that confirms what I was saying about attacking cis women. I know a woman, 100% cis female, who is 6″1 (I think, she’s taller than me anyway) and might come across as masculine. By your standards, she needs to be checked out any time she wants to use the bathroom. Which is more harassment than I’ve ever seen a trans person demand.
So is a female rapist.
So, you deny the existence of men with XXY, XXYY, etc. chromosomes? I mean, I know you deny the existence of the documented intersex, hermaphrodite and others who display differing external characteristics, but surely you’re not ignorant enough to thing that only 2 types of chromosome pairs exist?
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No one is suggesting that all restroom patrons be inspected prior to entry. Rather, the request is that mentally ill males simply refrain from violating the sanctity of women’s single-sex spaces. Do you object to that? If so, why?
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How else could you possibly prevent “the wrong people” from using a given gendered restroom?
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People should use the bathroom that matches their appearance, there is a lot less trouble that way, as they will not appear to be using the wrong bathroom.
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Or, any biological female who doesn’t look feminine enough for your narrow criteria.
Meanwhile, the trans person forced to use the other bathroom is at way more risk of abuse than the women you pretend to be protecting.
This is a major problem, and not one you got yourself involved in before it was decided gays had rights and you needed to find another vulnerable population to abuse.
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People with genetic and developmental abnormalities exist. If it were to be suggested that only people with such physical anomalies should qualify to be admitted to single-sex spaces not matching their bodies, trans-deluded activists would screech in fury. The number of defective people who are so ambiguous that they defy ready identification as male or female is minuscule. (One of those, a man with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome, was featured in the movie Every Body. He looks entirely female, but was born with internal testes which were surgically removed in infancy, something he now campaigns against.)
Men claiming to be women have been consistently outperforming women in those women’s sports leagues that still allow such men to compete. Additionally, those men often insist on changing in the same locker rooms as the female athletes, violating their social, cultural, and religious taboos. Trans-deluded male coaches have also been present in locker rooms with young girls who are showering and changing.
I do not have “standards” for “checking out” people who use single-sex facilities. It should be part of the social compact that people behave as expected, just as people are expected to pay transit fares and income taxes and not steal from stores. Enforcement is necessary when violations become frequent or obvious; for example, trans-deluded activists are sometimes stickering bathrooms claiming that they have committed such violations. For prisons and sports leagues, the trans-deluded people generally self-identify, making their exclusion simple.
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And yet, they exist, and they defy the idea of a strict this-or-that binary in re: biological sex. To claim they “don’t count” because their numbers are “miniscule” is a bullshit deflection of your unwillingness to accept the truth.
[citation needed]
And yet, you demand that other people adhere to your standard of “only people with specific chromosomal pairs can use this specific set of toilets”.
For what reason—other than rank bigotry—should a transgender man who can easily pass for being a cisgender man be forced to enter a women’s restroom, where he will likely be met with violence and possibly even be arrested for being in the “wrong” restroom? And how would you enforce that decision without full-body strip-search inspections carried out by the police at the entrance of a public restroom?
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People with defects don’t defy the idea of a strict make and female sex binary, they are just a broken version of one of the sexes. Most trans-deluded people don’t have such defects, but activists insist on their being allowed to intrude into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them.
At the fencing Summer Nationals, four separate men stole medals from women:
https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/news-they-not-female-no-matter-what-martina-navratilova-fumes-4-transgender-fencers-win-medals-women-s-category
People should stay out of single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them because that is how we have organized as a society, just as people are expected to pay transit rates and taxes, and not steal from stores. If they insist on intruding anyway, they are criminals, and will be dealt with the way stores are dealing with thieves – locking away access and requiring employees to verify each attempt to obtain goods from the store. It will inconvenience the innocent, but that’s what happens when criminals are allowed to run rampant, or when people like the shoe bomber make people feel unsafe enough that they demand more inspections.
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Except they do. They’re proof that sex isn’t merely XX or XY—the same binary you expect the law to uphold.
Other than rank bigotry, is there a reason for me to believe that a trans woman would have an objective, distinct, and literally unconquerable advantage in fencing?
No store is going to demand its employees strip search a patron who wants to use the restroom. The only way that happens is if the store gets the cops to do it, because cops have qualified immunity and a pimple-faced 17-year-old working the register does not. You are, in essence, arguing that cops should be stationed outside public restrooms and strip-searching everyone before they go into a restroom “just to be safe”.
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and now there are an increasing number of people who want that organization to change, and since said societal organizations are entirely subjective, you won’t be able to stop that change if it continues to gain momentum. And that’s what scares you. You fear the death of your beliefs, and that’s all this is.
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Always projection from you.
Re: Re: Re:3 "Of course they should be annihilated"
See, we don’t need to call you a nazi when you’re happy to say things that could have come from Reinhard Heydrich.
At that point, your capacity and willingness to disregard the personhood of others is established, and we can, from there, rely on the quote from Jean-Paul Sartre
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Commenters on Tech-Dirt will not convince you of the folly of disregarding your fellow human beings as persons. This is a a conclusion that you must ultimately find, yourself, before you either do something rash, or end up abandoned or alone, or find yourself marked by nazi-hunters.
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It became an issue when trans-deluded activists decided to force normal people to affirm their insane beliefs that men could be women, began teaching false gender ideology in public schools, had public schools conceal the mental illness of children from parents, and forced normal people to indirectly affirm the trans delusion, such as being asked for “assigned” sex.
There are few enough trans-deluded people that they could mostly fly under the radar, and use situational awareness to decide where they could go and where they would be unwelcome. Once activists decided to force the issue into wide awareness, normal people pushed back.
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And now they want to exist in public without being harassed, stalked, assaulted, or killed. All you’re doing is trying to justify the idea that trans people deserve to be harassed, stalked, assaulted, or killed for trying to exist in public…just like homophobes in the ’70s and ’80s did with gay people. Ain’t no use trying to separate the T from the LGB, Hyman; sooner or later, the people with whom you’re ideologically aligned will come for all queer people because queerness itself—i.e., the mere existence of a queer person, regardless of what they do!—is, to them, a crime that deserves extensive jail time at best and summary execution at worst.
Not that you care, of course. No, you’re above being associated with violent thugs and hateful bigots despite aligning with their radical gender binary–enforcing ideology. That doesn’t matter to you at all!
…except it does. You want so hard to be seen as a respectable bigot—a polite hatemonger, a guy who wants merely to “tell the truth” about the icky queer freaks—that being aligned with the assholes who commit violence and the more flagrantly bigoted dipshits on the far-right gets your fuckin’ goat. And every single time I make those associations, you always talk about how you don’t care about them. That alone is the surest sign that you care deeply about being associated with Nazis. You protested one time too many, my good bitch, and now everyone knows the truth. But that’s not a bad thing, is it, “truth teller”?
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As always, my opinions are my own, and remain that way regardless of who shares them, and whether or not they hold other opinions I do not share. You are welcome to list those other people.
The only trans-deluded people being killed on any sort of regular basis are Black prostitutes, and they are killed at the same rate as other young criminally-adjacent Black men, which they are.
If the only way trans-deluded people believe they can exist in public is by forcing other people to affirm their delusions, teach those delusions as truth in public schools, or force their way into single-sex spaces for which their bodies disqualify them, then they are out of luck. No amount of emotional blackmail from them is sufficient to get people to reject the evidence of their own senses and agree that people can change their sex. They will simply have to learn to exist in a world where people do not believe in their delusions, just as religious people do when living among people who have different or no religions.
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And I’m free to point out the company in which your opinions put you in. Don’t like it? Shut the fuck up. Until then: Enjoy the company you keep, you Nazi bitch.
Let’s say that’s true. Does that somehow justify their murders and the often lackadasical and demeaning treatment of said murders by the police? And if so, which trait justifies it: their being Black or their being trans?
Dude, trans people don’t want you to believe shit. They’re not demanding (or even asking) that you accept the idea that their biological sex and their gender presentation are the same. All they’re asking you for is to accept them as people first and foremost, then treat them with the same kind of civility and basic-ass decency that you would show anyone else even if you still don’t like them (or their gender identity). Yes, trans people don’t conform to your biases, your opinions, your ideology, and your attempts at categorizing people into this-or-that binaries for the sake of social and political control over the people who fall on the “wrong” side of that binary—but that gives you no reason to go about terrorizing them or begging the rest of society to do the terrorizing for you. Imagine if someone picked out some specific trait of your existence and demanded the rest of society treat you like a pile of hot garbage in need of some burning because that trait isn’t “normal” compared to the rest of society. Well, you don’t have to imagine it: That’s what you’re doing to trans people every time you talk about “radical gender ideology” and “trans delusions” and every other bit of obviously right-wing bullshit that you keep getting from people who are more bigoted than you. Literally the only difference between you and the asshole behind Libs of TikTok is that you don’t have the kind of pull to enable acts of stochastic terrorism against schools and hospitals that treat trans people like people instead of subhuman filth.
Yes, yes, you lack a working sense of empathy for any marginalized person/group and fully believe that those who actively work to oppress trans people are the real victims because said oppressors can’t say mean words (or make threats) without suffering even the barest minimum of consequences. We get it. Go jerk off to your oppression fantasy somewhere else.
The bigots who you claim to not be associated with are, more often than not, the kind of assholes who want to enact shit like Project 2025 or Project Blitz and turn the United States into a fascist Christian theocracy that would put Gilead to shame. That’s the company you keep by virtue of your ideology. Don’t be surprised if, should they succeed in their plans, they eventually give you the same choice you want to give trans people: “Live as I tell you to live or die.”
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You talky are an idiot. People are not dogs. Does that mean that a building with a no pets policy doesn’t need to enforce it?