New Study: People Have A Negative View Of Advertisers Who Still Advertise On Platforms That Allow Hate Speech

from the people-hate-hate-speech dept

One of the things we’ve tried to get across over the years (perhaps unsuccessfully), is that not only are laws to get rid of hate speech almost always abused, they’re also counterproductive in the actual fight against hate. For those who support those laws, they seem to think that without them, that means that there is nothing at all that can be done about “hate speech.” But that’s false. There are all sorts of ways to actually combat hate speech, and part of that is in making it socially and economically unacceptable.

For years, people have kept insisting that social media companies have “no incentive” to keep hate speech off of their platforms, and for years, we’ve explained why that’s wrong. If your platform is overrun with hate speech it’s bad for the platform. Users start to go elsewhere. And if your business model is advertising, so do the advertisers.

And now we have some empirical evidence to show this. CCIA has released a report on the impact of harmful content on brands and advertising, done through creating surveys of users in hypothetical scenarios on social media where hate speech is and is not moderated Turns out, as we said, if you allow hate speech on your website it drives users and advertisers away (someone should tell Elon). It also makes users think poorly of the advertisers who remain.

In a hypothetical scenario where hate speech was not moderated on social media services, research also found negative implications for brands that advertise on the services when hate speech was viewed. Proximity to content that included hate speech resulted in some respondents reporting that the content made them like the advertiser less. It also resulted in a slight decrease in favorable opinions of the advertiser brand, as well as a larger change in net favorability, with some of the movement shifting from favorable opinions to neutral (i.e., neither favorable nor unfavorable) opinions. Respondents who viewed content with hate speech also reported a lower likelihood of purchasing the advertised brand that directly preceded the content, compared to those respondents who viewed social media content with a positive or neutral tone right after the ad.

The results suggest that consumer sentiment toward a social media service would decline if it did not remove user-generated hate speech, and that consumer sentiment would also decline for brands that advertise on the same platform adjacent to said content. These findings indicate that social media services have a rational incentive to moderate harmful content such as hate speech and are consistent with digital services’ assertions that not all engagement adds value and that, in fact, some engagement is of negative value.

While this particular paper actually seems targeted at responding to laws on the other side of the aisle — such as the contested laws in Texas and Florida that would create “must carry” requirements for certain forms of speech, I think the argument applies equally as well to states like New York and California that are trying to pressure companies with legal mandates to remove such information.

However, a number of “must-carry” bills have been proposed in various jurisdictions that, if enacted, could limit social media services’ ability to remove or deprioritize harmful user-generated content. Two such bills recently became law in Texas and Florida, but are not yet in effect, due to pending consideration by the U.S. Supreme Court. Until this paper, there has been little public-facing research exploring the implications of hypothetical legal requirements that would require social media services to display content that would otherwise violate their current hate speech policies.

The study here is basically highlighting that both types of laws are bad. For Texas and Florida, it’s bad in that it would do real damage to the business models of these companies, because the market (remember when the GOP was supposed to be the party supporting the free market?) is telling websites and advertisers that they don’t want hate speech on their platforms.

As these surveys show, websites moderating hate speech are doing so for perfectly legitimate business reasons (to avoid having users and advertisers flee). It’s not because they’re “woke” or trying to silence anyone. They’re just trying to keep the people on their platform from killing each other.

And, the study is also suggesting that the laws in California and New York don’t help either, as the companies have financial incentives to avoid platforming hate speech as well. They don’t need a law to come in and tell them this. The market actually functions just fine as a motivator.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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I just reviewed the methodology and study design section of the paper. I’m not seeing anything alarming. They provided a variety of simulated social media posts. Ones that were blatantly negative with references to liking the KKK or wanting to ban immigrants had predictably negative associations, albeit at similar rates to no effect on associations.

Arianity says:

For years, people have kept insisting that social media companies have “no incentive” to keep hate speech off of their platforms, and for years, we’ve explained why that’s wrong.

This seems like a bit of a strawman. It’s not that there’s “no” incentive, but that it may not be strong enough of an incentive. Especially since there are clearly incentives going the other way (more users/engagement). And the evidence for that is the fact that many/most platforms still have a ton of hate speech on them.

And, the study is also suggesting that the laws in California and New York don’t help either, as the companies have financial incentives to avoid platforming hate speech as well. They don’t need a law to come in and tell them this. The market actually functions just fine as a motivator.

While this study is good news, the fact that there’s still a ton of hate speech on those platforms seems to suggest it’s not “fine”. There’s still plenty of room for improvement.

And of course, that’s taking the results at face value. There’s always some difficulty in translating surveys into actual action. A lot of people say they dislike (insert thing) in surveys, but they don’t always actually act that way. We see it a lot in surveys on climate/politics/advertising in general. There are a lot of people who claim in surveys that intrusive ads decrease their view of the advertising company, or that they’d pay more for a more environmentally friendly solution. Their actions don’t match it. A classic example are airline seats- people vocally hate the lack of legroom, but they still buy tickets in a way that incentivizes airlines to reduce legroom and give cheaper prices.

And that’s to say nothing of platforms willing to take a financial hit to platform hate. That can be for ideological reasons, like Musks’s Twitter. Or similar to pre-Musk Twitter, which was desperate to avoid being labeled as ‘biased’

Anonymous Coward says:

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“A classic example are airline seats- people vocally hate the lack of legroom, but they still buy tickets in a way that incentivizes airlines to reduce legroom and give cheaper prices.”

So why not pony up the money to give those people the option and see what changes. The fact is that people can only get what they can afford, which is why the airline have no incentive to change. You can’t fairly point at people’s actions in the above scenario because for many people on low incomes who need to travel hundreds or thousands of miles, the only other option is to not travel at all.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

If you don't want the association don't create it

I mean, yeah? What a company does tells you what sort of people are running it, and part of that is what sort of content they are fine with their brand appearing next to and being associated with.

If a company is spending money posting ads on a platform known to be all about personal fitness they’re telling people they support and/or want to be associated with personal fitness.

If a company is spending money posting ads on a platform known to be all about music and/or art they’re telling people they support and/or want to be associated with music and/or art.

If a company is spending money posting ads on a platform known to be filled with racists, sexists and numerous other flavors of terrible people…

Anonymous Coward says:

Differing view

I don’t have a more negative view of advertisers that advertise on platforms that allow hate speech. I can’t, because I already have a very negative view of advertisers whose ads make it through my filters. Regardless of the content of the site I’m on, I’m present to read its content, not waste my bandwidth on flashy advertisements.

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Yurei says:

Cool, But...

I can understand the sentiment. truly, I can. The old saw about “the answer to bad speech is more speech” and such, and the IDEA that the market, and through it society as an aggregate whole, can self-regulate by making hateful content and hateful people “socially and economically unacceptable” is a splendid idea.

However.

When you are part of a group that is relentlessly barraged by unending streams of hateful content – say, being trans in certain areas of the United States right now – it can really, truly seem like it is, in fact, perfectly “socially and economically” acceptable for hate speech to flow like water. Nobody ever really seems to care, either – trans folk are few enough in number that they have no real political clout and are a ‘safe’ target for hatred. Y’know, the entire reason why the U.S. far right started preying on them in the first place.

I’m not saying extensive laws prohibiting hateful speech is the answer. I don’t know what the answer is. But I do know trans folk have a significantly higher suicide rate than cis folk, and the inescapable tsunami flood of constant, neverending hatred any of them face the instant they step foot onto any social media service – services which are not nearly so “financially incentivized” to remove hateful content targeted at such a small, financially insignificant minority – sure isn’t NOT a factor in those suicide rates.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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When you are part of a group that is relentlessly barraged by unending streams of hateful content – say, being trans in certain areas of the United States right now – it can really, truly seem like it is, in fact, perfectly “socially and economically” acceptable for hate speech to flow like water.

One might argue that trans people are lucky that the worst thing they’re experiencing is people saying unkind (but true) things about them, like that they’re disgusting, mentally-ill groomers who should be kept far from away from children, yet thankfully are part of a death cult that will allegedly see 41% try to self-liquidate.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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One might argue [transphobic bullshit]

…if one were inclined to help foster the correct conditions for the systemic genocide of a minority demographic being scapegoated by fascists for problems that said demographic didn’t create and whose deaths won’t generate any actual solutions.

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Samuel Abram (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Why was this comment flagged?

Why was this comment flagged? The spelling was bad, true, but the AC seems to be agreeing that calling trans people “groomers” is “confirmed transphob[ia]”. I see nothing wrong with this post.

At least on Techdirt we can see flagged posts and make our own judgments.

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Samuel Abram (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Trans People are being ghettoized. How much longer?

No, I’ve been following Erin Reed on her Substack Erin In The Morning, and her map indicates that in half of the US, Trans People are facing genocide. In just the worst states,
-Gender-Affirming Care is banned
-Trans adults will be arrested if they use the bathroom of their gender identity
-changes to birth certificates will be prohibited and even have markers to their driver’s licenses and birth certificates reverted to the gender they were assigned at birth

That you are okay with this means that you “never again” means absolutely nothing to you. Nothing. It means a shitload to me.

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JMT (profile) says:

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…they’re disgusting, mentally-ill groomers who should be kept far from away from children…

I’m genuinely curious why you think there’s any causal link whatsoever between actual grooming and trans people. It’s definitely not because of any factual evidence (there is none), so I’m left with either stupidly and ignorance (you read some loon’s rantings and believed it), or irrational hatred that leads you to making awful but irrational accusations just to feel better about yourself. Either way, get some help.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: 'Every accusation a confession'

You missed option four, the most horrific of the lot: Projection, wherein they accuse the Hated Other of their own actions and/or desires in order to draw attention away from themselves and make it so that if they are caught red handed they can claim innocence via asserting that the accusations levied against them are merely the ones they accused trying to shift the blame(you know, exactly what they did with the original accusations).

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Anonymous Coward says:

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One might argue that trans people are lucky that the worst thing they’re experiencing is people saying unkind (but true) things about them

One also might argue (if they’re well-informed on the issue rather than just being a bigoted transphobe) that persecution of transgender individuals up to and including murder has increased in the last several years (e.g. [Murders of trans people nearly doubled over past 4 years, and Black trans women are most at risk, report finds][https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transgender-community-murder-rates-everytown-for-gun-safety-report/]).

As for groomers, I haven’t seen transgender individual groom children, but I’ve seen a lot of conservative Christians do that.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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persecution of transgender individuals up to and including murder has increased in the last several years (e.g. [Murders of trans people nearly doubled over past 4 years… risk

  1. The transgender murder rate is far lower than the murder rates for African Americans, poor Americans of all races and men in general (remember, “transwomen” are just mentally-ill biological males).
  2. Most murders of trans persons are same-race domestic or personal disputes, not hate crimes.
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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Nothing you said refutes the point you replied to. You’re pivoting to, “feel lucky that, okay, you’re actually getting murdered at higher rates than previously, but at least it’s not as bad as the rates that other people are getting murdered.”

Saying some other demographic has it worse doesn’t reduce the suffering of persecuted people or bring murdered transgender individuals back to life. Justice isn’t relative.

And as useless as your first statement is, your second statement undermines it. If the second statement means we shouldn’t care about transgender murder rates then comparing it to other murder rates also doesn’t matter because those other murder rates are also most often same-demographic domestic or personal disputes rather than hate crimes. Wow. No hate crimes matter because human beings have killed each other for other reasons! Anything evil can be dismissed because something else is also evil.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Trans people are being denied gender affirming healthcare in multiple states thanks to specifically targeted laws, whereas cis people (including teenagers!) can get gender affirming treatments such as breast enhancements without any real trouble. Trans people are being targeted by laws that try to force them out of the public sphere by way of determining what public restrooms they have to use⁠—something cis people will never have to worry about. Trans people are being murdered, harassed into suicide, blamed for crimes against children that they didn’t commit, and generally treated like subhuman filth by conservative jackoffs only because trans people are transgender.

You may not think that’s persecution because trans people aren’t being systematically rounded up into concentration camps or murdered in the streets by a military police group. But that’s the thing about persecution: It never starts with death camps⁠—but on a long enough timeline, it sure as hell ends there. The only way to stop that from happening is to stop the persecution. To do that, you must first admit the persecution is real.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

The point of that bit of prose: Those who would have defended you against persecution will already be gone thanks in part to you and your indifference towards their persecution. Before you know it, the leopards you thought would never eat your face are making you their next meal. And no one will stop them because the people who might’ve saved you already learned their lesson from your indifference: They’re not you, so they don’t need to speak out when the leopards (fascists) come for your face (your life).

Transgender people are being persecuted regardless of your position on the matter. Will you be courageous and raise your voice against that persecution, or will you be a coward and stay silent as the persecuted suffer and die?

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Benjamin Jay Barber says:

Re: Re: Re:5

There is no such thing as “gender” its a social construct, like the Jesus Christ, Santa Claus, its what people believe about themselves.

My step father “identifies” as a 5′ 2″ trans racial mexican jew who killed 300 men in vietnam, was a green beret special forces master sergeant.

Nobody needs to “affirm” his delusional identity, nor do we need to give him surgery to help him feel more “mexican”, we need to fix his mental disorder.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6

Assholes like you have two jokes about trans people. They both have the same unfunny punchline each time, they only exist to dehumanize trans people so treating them like garbage is that much easier, they’re no better than racist jokes about Black people, and they’ll never⁠—and I mean NEVER⁠—be funnier than the jokes trans people tell about themselves.

fairuse (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

I have heard those stats. Home-schooled children seem to be doing okay (mostly my nieces)

I never went to public school beyond middle school. The bs factor was to much.

I didn’t get any of the socialization that “education” supplied. Teachers should teach and save trendy social experiments for college.

After 2004 – 1977 in software and hardware engineering then on to retire i am Mr-Wait-And-See.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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I’m not saying extensive laws prohibiting hateful speech is the answer. I don’t know what the answer is. But I do know trans folk have a significantly higher suicide rate than cis folk, and the inescapable tsunami flood of constant, neverending hatred any of them face the instant they step foot onto any social media service – services which are not nearly so “financially incentivized” to remove hateful content targeted at such a small, financially insignificant minority – sure isn’t NOT a factor in those suicide rates.

Hearing people whine about trans folk continuing to try to top themselves even after undergoing mutilation/sterilization procedures always makes me think warmly of that great Stonetoss comic, The Purple HRT 🙂

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Benjamin Jay Barber says:

Re: Transgenders are mentally ill

My father is a transracial Mexican jew, and he says shit like he killed 300 people in Vietnam, and that he was an E8 master sergeant green beret.

Stop indulging mentally ill people in their fantasies, it only serves to keep them in the fantasy longer, and they need a dose of reality instead.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

awww, you're just going to force censorship however you can, huh?

Courts have now recognized the government directed censorship that you keep on insisting never happened, definitely happened, was definitely a 1a violation, and told them stop.

There’s also just all that evidence that people can just see for themselves, your gaslighting be damned.

The study here is basically highlighting that both types of laws are bad.

Pretty sure you blocked my comment on your other post (or delayed it so much it didn’t matter) and you might do so here, but lol, no laws insisting you shall not censor and laws demanding that you censor are in no way equivalent. No, “censorship isn’t free speech”, your ridiculous claims aside. A publicly accessible platform is not a cake shop.

And of course, most important to all this, Hate speech according to who?!? Claiming whatever they disagree with is “bigotry” is the left’s favorite game. You’re a part of it.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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A publicly accessible platform is not a cake shop.

A privately owned open-to-the-public social media service isn’t a “true” public square. Show me where you have a 1A right to say any-fuckin’-thing you want on Twitter without the platform being unable to boot you off. I’ll wait.

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Benjamin Jay Barber says:

Re: Re:

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/872/billtext/html/HB00020F.HTM

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

SECTION 1.
The legislature finds that:
(1) each person in this state has a fundamental interest in the free exchange of ideas and information, including the freedom of others to share and receive ideas and information;
(2) this state has a fundamental interest in protecting the free exchange of ideas and information in this state;
(3) social media platforms function as common carriers, are affected with a public interest, are central public forums for public debate, and have enjoyed governmental support in the United States; and
(4) social media platforms with the largest number of users are common carriers by virtue of their market dominance.

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Violet Aubergine (profile) says:

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Businesses can throw out assholes whenever they want and that includes social media platforms throwing out anybody that they don’t want there. And the court case you’re claiming as a victory has already been so eviscerated on appeal that the vast majority of it was struck down and the applying it to all the federal government was struck down and now that literally one remaining aspect of it only applies to the president a few other people.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Courts have now recognized the government directed censorship that you keep on insisting never happened, definitely happened, was definitely a 1a violation, and told them stop.

THE FIFTH CIRCUIT, the one with the compromised CLARANCE THOMAS and his insurrectionist wife, has ruled that…

  • some coercion definitely did happen, and that the government (really, Republicans, even though the Biden Administration did rally behind 230 reform) was told to cut that out.
  • that communications between state actors and private companies (no matter how crass) is NOT coercion, and in almost every case that didn’t involve coercion, was 1A compliant.

…and that’s pretty much it.

If you believe that the government shouldn’t warn tech companies (and by extension, the power companies, major news corps, captains of industry, the military industrial complex…) about major hacking events about to happen or similar NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES

Put it this way, you’re possibly aiding other countries in harming America, even if it isn’t chargable right now.

Then again, your side seems to want to cripple major power infrastrructure, manufacturing and whatnot by claiming that even security briefings constitute a violation of 1A.

Are you sure you’re not actually a spy for China, Russia or some other country hostile to the US?

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Toom1275 (profile) says:

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government directed censorship

While the Fifth Circuit has baselessly claimed so, courts of law on the other hand have proven the truth is the polar opposite of your derangement:

https://www.techdirt.com/2023/03/15/court-makes-it-clear-government-submissions-to-twitter-flagging-program-do-not-violate-the-1st-amendment/

all that evidence that people can just see for themselves

…not without extensive use of potent hallucinogens such as right-wing media. No such “evidence” exists in the real world to thinking people.

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Yurei says:

Re:

“Claiming whatever they disagree with is “bigotry” is the left’s favorite game.”

Funny. I could say ‘bald-facedly denying the bone-obvious truth’ is a favorite tactic of The Right, if we’re going to define people solely on an arbitrary axis of political affiliation. After all, claiming ‘the left always accuses us of bigotry!’ doesn’t mean “The Left” isn’t absolutely correct in that accusation, ne?

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Anonymous Coward says:

(remember when the GOP was supposed to be the party supporting the free market?)

The GOP doesn’t support anything except power and money. Anything else it purports to support is only a means to those two ends. They likewise “supported” democracy, until they didn’t get enough votes and then suddenly democracy was a threat to the American Way of Life™. They used to hate Russia too. They used to support states rights until blue states did things they didn’t like.

Anonymous Coward says:

Woke?

As these surveys show, websites moderating hate speech are doing so for perfectly legitimate business reasons (to avoid having users and advertisers flee). It’s not because they’re “woke” or trying to silence anyone. They’re just trying to keep the people on their platform from killing each other.

Didn’t we already know that a certain part of the spectrum will accuse anybody reasonable of being ‘woke’?

That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

You mean mothers don’t want to buy diapers from companies who pay to advertise on platforms that put them next to racists, nazis, MRA’s!?!?

This is one of those studies we didn’t actually need, but at the same time it needed to be done… if only to give the offended something to complain about targeting them. Because they know, for sure, that moms want to buy diapers from brands that advertise next to their genius takes abotu how we shoudl repeal the 19th amendment, force women to stay with abusive men, and be nothing more than incubators popping our progeny so that those inbred lines can flourish.

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Benjamin Jay Barber says:

Mike Masnick Malding Again

So, if a study comes out saying that advertisers that feature black people hurt their brand image, does that mean they can discriminate on the basis of race?

Why do you always resort to the “ends justify the means” trope, where the texas law says “we find that social media is a common carrier”, and therefore cant discriminate no matter how much it helps their image.

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LostInLoDOS (profile) says:

At it again.

Boycotts don’t work.
The only real result of a boycott is making the boycotting feel good. The vast majority ignores it and simply carries on.
Whatever this study thinks it found, the reality is internationally, most people don’t care. The vast majority don’t care.

I still don’t use and won’t use hobby lobby. It makes me feel good. And that’s why I don’t use them. But I’m not self aggrandising enough to think that will change anything.
Pepsi, coke? How many times.
Budweiser? Sure, talking heads say the people spoke. But the main product has been falling for years in popularity. Non-beers have long been on the rise. Sure, bud lost a few thousand from protest. But the number one selling drink isn’t even a beer today. (And two AB products are in the top 10).

companies want to sell a product. They don’t really care who is paying as long as they pay.

And X? How many users did they loose over the new content concerns. 1%? The only real loss was the number of advertisers, many who are coming back… seeung that the “exodus” was more of a rounding error.

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