Federal Court Says Election Disinformation Isn’t Protected Speech

from the this-might-be-going-a-bit-too-far dept

This is some bad looking precedent here. Everyone is right to be concerned about election disinformation, especially if that disinformation is intended to keep certain people from voting, but historically, it has been public officials facing criminal charges for voter suppression, rather than toxic Twitter trolls.

And Douglas Mackey, known as “Ricky Vaughn” on Twitter, is definitely toxic. He and his followers created social media campaigns during the 2016 election that attempted to dupe people (Hillary Clinton voters, specifically) into casting their votes via text message or social media posts, hoping to steer them away from venues where votes could actually be cast.

For that, Mackey was arrested and charged by the DOJ. Even the DOJ admitted this prosecution was novel: the first time a person had been criminally charged with election interference for trolling people on social media. According to the DOJ, Mackey’s efforts resulted in “4,900 unique phone numbers” attempting to vote by phone.

That’s pretty disturbing, if true. But is it actually a criminal act? Misleading people during election season is the national pastime, one often enjoyed by political candidates. The federal court handling this case says that something often considered to be nothing more than noxious speech — something often successfully countered with more speech — is actually a criminal act. (h/t Paul Seamus Ryan)

The decision [PDF] goes through a lot of legal paperwork before arriving at this conclusion, starting out with the question of venue. The court says that because tweets can be received nearly anywhere, the venue is proper, even though Mackey resides in the Southern District of New York, rather than in the Eastern District, where the prosecution is being brought.

Defendant Mackey argues in his reply brief that because the Government has not presented past cases where criminal venue was established by Tweets, communications using Twitter cannot properly support a finding of venue. (Reply at 2.) So narrow a reading of the relevant case law would ignore the interpretative dynamism necessitated by the rapid technological change of our era. As more and more Americans choose to communicate via Twitter and other messaging platforms rather than by phone or email, the judiciary’s understanding of how continuing crimes can be committed through electronic communications must keep pace and evolve. Although the cases discussed above did not deal directly with communications via Twitter, the Second Circuit’s cases on phone calls, emails, text messages, faxes, chat room messages, and wire transfers as overt acts illustrate that the government can establish venue where such electronic communications were sent to or received by individuals in the venue district. Tweets are themselves electronic communications, so the Government may establish venue based on where Tweets are foreseeably received.

The court then handles Mackey’s argument that he wasn’t “fairly warned” that attempting to deter voting by deception was a criminal act, something that violates his due process rights. It’s an important question to raise, since it deals with criminal intent — something that’s essential to criminal conspiracy charges. Here’s where things start looking pretty dicey. The court cites plenty of precedent, but none appears to be on point. Almost all of it deals with politicians, election officials, and others directly involved in tallying votes engaging in criminal acts of voter suppression. There are also several cases where voters engaged in voter fraud by stuffing ballot boxes, forging ballots, and “incorrectly filling out ballots on behalf of illiterate voters.” Almost every case deals with direct interaction with the ballot system, rather than someone just telling voters something that wasn’t true.

This is all fine, says the court. The law can be read to cover Mackey’s acts, and that’s how it’s going to be read by this court.

Defendant Mackey is correct that many–but not all–of the cases above pertain to physical acts such as stuffing a ballot box or counting fraudulent votes. These cases did not, however, rely on the physicality of the acts to reach their holdings. Indeed, many of those cases raised a similar question to the one before the court: whether the statute was “sufficiently broad in its scope to include the offense” charged. Foss v. United States., 266 F. 881, 882 (9th Cir. 1920). Not once has a federal court’s response to that question been defined by the offense’s corporeal tangibility. See e.g., Saylor, 322 U.S. at 388 (deciding that the statute included the charged offense based solely because there was a conspiracy “directed at the personal right of the elector to cast his own vote and to have it honestly counted”). Nor does the statute or the case law offer any reason why a court would rely on that fact.

Maybe the court feels this way, but it’s unclear whether Mackey truly thought he was engaging in a criminal act. Perhaps he might not have engaged in this expansive trolling effort if he thought it was actually a crime, rather than just a supremely shitty thing to do. Plenty of voter-related trolling occurred during the run-up to the election, with social media users deliberately misinforming others about voting dates, the legitimacy of absentee ballots, locations of ballot drop-off points, etc. But it appears Mackey (and some co-conspirators) are the only ones to be criminally charged for engaging in this heinous form of speech.

Mackey’s First Amendment challenge to the application of the law in this way is also dismissed by the federal court. The court says that the First Amendment does protect political speech, but this speech wasn’t political. It was deception intended to deter certain people from casting their votes.

The instant application of Section 241 does not attempt to regulate speech about the substance of what is on the ballot. Instead, it attempts to protect access to the ballot.

While it is possible that regulation of election misinformation or disinformation could, under other circumstances, be unconstitutional as impermissible proscriptions of political speech, this prosecution targets “speech that harms the election process,” rather than speech about a candidate or a candidate’s views. […] If Defendant Mackey had tweeted false statements about Hillary Clinton’s policy positions, for instance, a different analysis would be necessary. But the issue at bar is whether Tweets telling one candidate’s supporters that they can vote by text or Tweet, therefore making “false statements about election procedures, such as the day the election will be held, the proper place to cast one’s vote, or voting requirements” are proscribable utterances.

The courts sums things up by saying it’s a good law (even though it’s never been used this way before) and it’s fine that the government is using it this way, even though it had other ways of countering Mackey’s deceptive speech.

This compelling interest undoubtedly includes making sure voters have accurate information about how, when, and where to vote. Prosecutions such as the one before this court are one of the few tools at the Government’s disposal for doing so. Counter speech, a typical mode of countering false speech, is unlikely to be of much use in the context of tweets spread across the far reaches of the internet in the days and hours immediately preceding an election.

Yes, it’s true that counter speech during the “days and hours immediately preceding an election” would be of limited utility. But the standard isn’t what works best for the government. An arrest that took place more than four years after the alleged crime was committed isn’t exactly a timely response either. And it’s unlikely to have much of an effect on election disinformation unless the government is willing to treat everyone who engages in this form of speech the same way. Selective prosecution isn’t an effective deterrent. It tends to make people more skeptical of the government and less likely to believe these criminal charges aren’t politically motivated.

A jury may find the government’s acts and this apparent incursion into protected speech too problematic to deliver a guilty verdict. But until it’s in the jury’s hands, certain election disinformation — if disseminated by certain people — is apparently a criminal offense. When something is this vague and selective, it’s not a deterrent. It’s a chilling effect, which is suppression of free speech. And this court, unfortunately, seems fine with that.

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PaulT (profile) says:

Re:

“And illegal immigration is not immigration.”

It literally is, the extra word doesn’t change the definition. The problem is that xenophobes keep trying to say that it’s a felony or that asylum is the same as economic immigration even though asylum is allowed and De Santis’s attempts to ship legally compliant asylum seekers in Texas to Martha’s Vineyard was evidence of immigration in Florida.

“How can expect the 3rd world to even have valid opinions. They can spew crap all day long.”

But, enough about whichever state you’re from…

Ray (profile) says:

Re: Re: Asylum

Illegal immigration is immigration. However it is still illegal. Asylum is not legal or allowed if you cross the border illegally and request asylum if and when you are caught. Furthermore xenophobia has absolutely nothing to do do with the reality that the United States, nor any other country, can survive over two million people walking across its border and taking up residence because it’s better than where they came fro.

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Nicki says:

Re: Memes aren’t illegal!

It’s funny how this administration wants to go after anyone that may make fun of them, funny they call this election interference and “disinformation “, que the singing telegram disinformation czar. Yet when Republicans say the word election interference, they are white Supremacist, Ultra MAGA’s who aren’t to be believed, which is why the Democratic Party gets away with the cheating the way in which they do. They pay Twitter $3-$5 million to silence any negative content against them, they had Twitter shut down users that disagreed with them or spoke about a vaccine that has now killed many with cardiac arrest and blood clots, I could go on and on but won’t. Yet they have the BALLS to go after a comedic MEME because they don’t like when someone doesn’t bow to their every communist action. FREEDOM OF SPEECH – YOU ARE CONSTITUTIONALLY BOUND – DO NOT FORGET IT!

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femiwhat says:

Re: Re: Re: "mens rea" refers to the intent to commit the underlying action, not the intent to commit a crime!

There is no “due process” argument to be made that an individual must be informed of the contents and legal implications of a duly enacted law in order to be charged with violating it.

If the activity underlying a charge was intentional and the defendant does not deny responsibility for its commission, the proper defenses are either that the defendant did not actually intend to commit the activity described by the statute (for instance, the claim that use of copyrighted intellectual property actually falls under a “fair use” exception and was therefore not infringing, or that allegedly defamatory statements were intended as satire–both of which arguments would be evaluated by the courts)–essentially, that the law does not properly apply to the activity–or that the law itself is flawed.

In the first case, evaluation of recklessness, negligence, and the reasonableness of the defendant’s stated intentions would underly the verdict. In the second case, the law would likely be evaluated either under a civil rights framework or with attention to whether the scope of the law was reasonable.

There is no “due process” right to be personally informed of the language and all possible interpretations thereof. Rather, every individual has a pro-active responsibility to inform oneself of what actions are legal.

This responsibility includes consultation with a lawyer, as necessary, which is something I think you could stand to consider next time you weigh in on matters beyond the scope of your competence.

Anonymous Coward says:

If what they had done was to put out similarly false info in order to make money on stock trades, this would be a no-brainer case. So there is clear circumstances in which putting out false information can rise to the level of a crime. I’ll admit, though, that this is one of those cases where I would not want to be the judge or jury, because no matter which way they come down they’re going to get shit on.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Sorry Tim, but the judge called it correctly.

What happened was not a matter of ‘free speech’, it was a matter of working an intentional fraud upon a bunch of people. The matters of politics and voting don’t enter into it at all, it’s the intent to commit fraud that counts here. And wide-spread fraud, at that.

For instance, under your reading of ‘the law’, Bernie Madoff should’ve gone free, because he didn’t know that it was unlawful to create and manage a Ponzi scheme. Even if he did know, he still could’ve convinced a jury that he didn’t, and he would’ve been a free man.

Here, I don’t for a moment believe that Mackey didn’t know, ahead of time, that fucking with people’s voting rights was against a whole raft of laws, available for the asking at every possible level of government. And discussed so often (as we are doing just now) that it’s a common topic of discourse, especially during an election cycle.

As to the time between the offense and the arrest, I have an issue with that as do you. Specifically, it seems to me that a statute of limitations may be in play here. That’ll be for his attorneys to figure out, of course, but presumably someone will be looking at this, likely from both sides.

And here’s the rub: Mackey is a test case. If it goes through successfully, you can take it to the bank that the Feds will not leave this one to be ‘a deterrent’, they’ll go after a large segment of the dain-bramaged portion of US citizens, the ones who think that Daddy #45 will give them a Get Out Of Jail Free card.

tl;dr:
You have the First Amendment right to speak out as you wish. That same Amendment says nothing about doing so without consequences. IOW, fuck with people in a heinous manner, and you’ll soon be outfitted for an adult-sized onesie, orange in color.

sumgai

Anonymous Coward says:

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The first amendment to the U.S. constitution does, in principle, immunize you to consequences imposed by the government to your speech.

The problem there is that that absolute immunity then can be taken immense advantage of by bad actors, to the harm of everybody else, for which reason some narrow and fairly well-established sets of exceptions have been carved out as not really being covered by it, such as fraud, defamation, certain aspects of commercial speech, true threats, and immediate incitement.

I think it would be defensible to say intentionally deceiving others about how and where to vote is a variety of fraud, though.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Not necessarily, Paul. A majority of the time, it’s private individuals that bring civil actions against speakers. Think defamation, etc.

And it’s not immediately obvious, but when the Constitution says ‘government’, it means the legislature and by extension, the administration. A deeper reading will reveal that the courts have almost free reign to provide judgement, within the confines of applicable law.

HTH

sumgai

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

Civil actions do not, typically, result in imprisonment, which is what I presume you meant by ‘adult onesie, orange in colour’. Also, fundamentally, civil suits are an exercise of the government’s enforcement power; without that ultimate backstop, they’d have no more force than an angry letter.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

So perhaps I should’ve said something like “the equivalent of a onesie”, but I think I made my point.

And often, though certainly not always, civil and criminal actions will be brought against an individual (or group, it doesn’t matter for this discussion), each having a bearing on the other. For instance, more than a few laws (at state or federal level) define a fraud as working against the best interests of an individual (or group). To do that work, the offender commits both a crime (criminal law vis-a-vis fraud) and a tort (civil offense). I’m sure you can see how that’s going to develop, down the line.

And yes, this does appear to be “tried twice for the same crime”, but it’s res judicita that one is civil, so technically the government is not involved, and thus, government is taking only “one crack” at putting the offender behind bars. IOW, the Constitution says nothing about often an offender can be tried by civil means.

HTH

sumgai

btr1701 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

more than a few laws (at state or federal level) define a
fraud as working against the best interests of an
individual (or group)

That’s ridiculous. Merely working against someone else’s interests is in no way fraud. If it were, we could lock up all the employees of McDonald’s for working against the best interests of Burger King by selling their hamburgers.

When someone works their ass off to get good grades to get into college, they’re working for their own best interests but they’re also working against the best interests of every other applicant for that college’s limited number of admission slots.

When the Dallas Cowboys intercept a pass thrown by Tom Brady, they’re working against the best interests of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

The list is endless.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Sorry, the USSC just happened to not mention anything about alleged perpetrators of crimes. They very specifically called out for special privileges only known actual perpetrators of crimes, those who do know exactly when they are breaking the law, because they wear blue to work every day. They’re playing the odds of getting QI.

Which is granted way too often. In fact, 100% of the time too often.

sumgai

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That One Guy (profile) says:

I’m actually leaning towards siding with the judge here.

We already have defamation on the books as an acceptable exception to the first amendment because it’s understood that some speech can cause measurable, real harm to a person and that should be penalized and hopefully prevented.

Someone trying to not just give people bad information on a candidate and potentially get them to vote ‘wrong’ but give them fraudulent information on voting itself in order to effectively prevent them from voting is screwing with the very underpinnings of the system the government is built upon, allowing people to game the system by fooling others into wasting their biggest way to influence the government they live under.

I would certainly hope that the laws on the books would cover someone setting up a fraudulent voting center for people to cast their votes at and I struggle to see why someone doing the equivalent of knowingly pointing people to something like that should get a pass just because the first amendment exists.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Sorry, the judgment is right.

Yes, it’s true that counter speech during the “days and hours immediately preceding an election” would be of limited utility. But the standard isn’t what works best for the government.

But the standard should be justice for those who were disenfranchised. If there’s no option to vote late because you were deceived by intentional acts, then there is no justice except to prosecute those who disenfranchised you. More speech isn’t of “limited utility” here, it’s completely useless.

The act was akin to the KKK intimidating black voters. There’s precedent to prosecute this kind of behavior. It taking the form of a joking/not joking scenario is irrelevant.

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MightyMetricBatman says:

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That you can never come back and vote if you’ve fallen victim to something like this is the one thing that justifies lowering the bar of 1st Amendment protections that should otherwise be robust and extremely difficult to pierce.

Voting is the core of democracy. If you are trying to defraud people into not voting, you should not have the same level of 1st Amendment protections as normal political speech.

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Paul B says:

Re: Re:

To further Harp,

This is a case of a campaign attempting to intentionally spread incorrect information for the purposes of personal or party gain. I would be against raising random citizens to this level, but anyone who is organized, told he is passing incorrect information, and continues to do so, especially at a targeted audience is not just using his “free speech rights” but attempting to commit fraud.

I am fairly sure this would pass strict scrutiny

Anonymous Coward says:

I’d be very interested in learning which side of the facts the Founding Fathers would rather see come out on top: The Judge’s position, or Tim Cushing’s position.

I’m pretty sure that the Founders did not contemplate such a base act as to violate the voting rights of other citizens, but I like to think that even after inserting the Amendment that became the First for a reason, the scurrilous vermin would very quickly find themselves out behind the woodshed, and would return to society only after most of the abrasions and contusions have healed.

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Upstream (profile) says:

Fraud:

I believe the five points that constitute fraud are:

1) A misrepresentation
2) of a material fact
3) knowingly made
4) that was relied on
5) to the victim’s detriment

It seems to me that Mackey’s words clearly meet all five of these conditions, and fraud is already very well established as a crime (sometimes misdemeanor, sometimes felony). So maybe he should just be charged with (at least) 4,900 counts of fraud. That would avoid any grey areas involving the 1st Amendment, etc.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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Yeah, I’m no fan of censorship and all, and I happen to agree with this⁠—and the ruling, obviously. Dude tried to trick people into forfeiting their right to vote; prosecuting him as an example to others isn’t going to chill anything but people trying to pull the same bullshit, and I’m not seeing much of a problem there.

ECA (profile) says:

lets see how to say any of this.

Wow,
remembering the past and the Final bills being voted by the voters.
And the Bills, being stated in ways that they mean/dont mean, What the bill is titled?
Oregon tried a few times to pass Marijuana bills. Every one of them was So convoluted that saying yes meant No, and NO meant yes. OR it was PASSED into common knowledge that voting on it, you had to vote NO to get it to pass, WAS WRONG. How confusing can you get.
Even now, there are recent Bills, written with Titles that MEAN one thing, but the reading of the Bill says something TOTALLY different.
Then there are the Addon parts at the ENDS of bills. Where passing the PART you want, means your taxes are going to increase by 2 times.

Finally.
Enforcing venue, on the internet. LOVE IT. the realization that the internet is INTERNATIONAL. And that Any nation can take offense to YOUR opinion/use of it.
IF’ a nation gets upset by your opinion, and you fly to their location. What are the odds, you can be arrested? You admitted your opinion on the internet publicly to everyone willing to read it. YES THEY CAN. IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. Go to a Muslim country to convert others, Secretly, against THEIR LAWS. And Post it on FB what you are doing. WHAT happens? ARRESTED and a Very high chance of having your head chopped off.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

That's definitely protected speech.

“Misinformation” is impossible to determine in an objectively neutral way. (part of why people wanting to ban such from Social Media are trash) Additionally political speech is inherently free speech, as SCOTUS has ruled many times.

This is just a judge being an activist shithead. It is almost guaranteed to be thrown out on appeal.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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“Misinformation” is impossible to determine in an objectively neutral way.

Telling people they can vote in a way they actually can’t vote, and doing so with the intent of preventing those people from casting their legal ballots in a given election, is absolutely misinformation.

Upstream (profile) says:

Re: Re: Misinformation versus disinformation

Let’s keep our terms straight:

misinformation versus disinformation

This was clearly a case of disinformation, since it was definitely intentional. As the linked-to website states, these two terms are often used interchangeably, but it is worth our while to make the distinction, as the proper terminology will help to make our discussions and our meanings clear.

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PaulT (profile) says:

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““Misinformation” is impossible to determine in an objectively neutral way”

It’s really not. It varies depending on the subject but some is absolutely falsifiable.

“Additionally political speech is inherently free speech”

It is. What’s also free speech is people telling you to STFU, get out of their face or to correct you.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

““Misinformation” is impossible to determine in an objectively neutral way”

But the point is moot because “misinformation” – speaking falsely in order to influence others- is not a crime. This is why Rachel Maddow was able to skate in her case. I am not a Maddow fan, but the case was decided rightly.

The mis / dis / mal information mania is very clearly just an attempt by the powerful to elevate their opinions and perspectives to the level of truth and dissenters to the level of crime.

Rest assured that if you tolerate this monster, it will be turned against you in due time.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

The difference with Rachel Maddie is that 1) she was said to be giving an opinion due to the context (a highly opinionated talk show), so the argument was that it wasn’t intended to be taken as literally true to begin with, so it wasn’t “speaking falsely” legally speaking; and 2) she didn’t have the requisite state of mind (actual malice) to be liable for defaming a public figure even if it was false.

And that’s the difference: intent. The defendant in this case was accused of knowingly spreading objectively false information with the intent to deceive others into acting to their own detriment as well as the detriment of third parties but not to the defendant’s detriment. Additionally, the intended response was more overt, being explicitly stated (rather than merely being foreseeable and intended but never stated outright). These are key differences.

Perhaps, rather than speaking of punishing misinformation, we should discuss disinformation, since the latter implies a particular state of mind.

It’s also worth noting that the point being countered here was simply the claim that misinformation can’t be objectively determined in any way, and the person making that point also mentioned the moderation efforts of social media platforms against misinformation. As such, while the point that misinformation can be determined objectively may ultimately be moot as there are other reasons why spreading misinformation shouldn’t be made unlawful per se (without more), the point isn’t moot to this conversation since it was meant to contradict a specific point made by someone else here, and it is relevant to another issue brought up by that same other person (private moderation of social media). It is also not moot in the sense that it is relevant for the case at issue in the article due to other factors present in that specific case that aren’t in general misinformation cases.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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What’s amazing is that almost all verified voter fraud was done by the GQP.

And here’s Bennett saying that’s all right in his book and any attempt (by his party) to use fraud in order to limit somebody’s (from the other party) right to vote is protected speech.

Why do you hate America and democracy so much?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Not necessarily saying you’re wrong, but you didn’t back up your claim with any evidence. A claim without backing is empty and means nothing. So either provide some actual data (from a completely independent source that has no ties to either the left or the right) to support your point and that lists the actual percentage of fraud done by the GOP or withdraw it immediately.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

This isn’t a formal debate with agreed upon terms, so you can’t make any enforceable demands on other people and most people don’t provide citations for their easily verifiable claims in casual comments.

You do have the freedom and ability to google it for yourself. Your ignorance or laziness doesn’t mean other people’s claims are wrong.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Protip: Even in democracy-adverse SINGAPORE, this is considered voter fraud.

Under the Singapore Statutes, Parliamentary Elections Act of 1954, Section 81, Prohibition of dissuasion from voting…

(1) A person must not between the day of nomination and polling day (both days being inclusive) at any election, by word, message, writing or in any other manner dissuade or attempt to dissuade any person from giving his or her vote at the election.

(2) Any person who contravenes subsection (1) shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $2,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to both.

(3) Despite the provisions of the Criminal Procedure Code 2010 relating to the powers of search of any police officer, if any police officer has reasonable cause to believe that an offence is being committed under subsection (1), the police officer, by virtue of his or her office, is empowered to enter and search any premises or place for the purpose of ascertaining whether such an offence is being committed.

(4) The offence under subsection (2) is an arrestable offence within the meaning of the Criminal Procedure Code 2010.

Yes, I am aware of what subsection 3 implies and, well, this is Singapore.

Though I must add, while we’re all in agreement with this issue, this could be abused in future and while it is my hope that this is not abused, the non-zero chance of it happening is there. Still, this is a novel case and I hope further case law lays out a test for this sort of thing.

Anonymous Coward says:

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“Misinformation” is impossible to determine in an objectively neutral way.

It’s entirely possible.

And you, for some reason, think you can’t. That’s what makes you a fucking idiot.

In this example, voting occurred on day X at place X. Asshole told people to text votes instead of voting at place X on day X.

Am I not able to discern that the asshole who was telling people to vote via text is incorrect? And I am somehow exhibiting some bias toward something that is clearly bullshit?

Maybe you’re that big of a fucking simpleton. But it’s unfair of you to think that we are as stupid as the rest of you.

Benjamin Jay Barber says:

This decision is opposite of the decision in United States v. Stevens, and Reed v. Town of Gilbert Arizona by the US Supreme Court.

The judge here is using a “balancing test” of “compelling interests”, that some speech is outside of the scope of the first amendment, because its harms outweigh the benefits.

The Supreme court has rejected this already, and stated that there are no new categories of criminalized speech, outside of the categories of speech which were criminalized when the constitution was made.

Specifically one category “speech integral to criminal conduct”, can not be read for the assertion that the government can make a criminal law, and therefore the speech proscribed by the criminal law is also unprotected.

Rather the speech itself has to be be some sort of incitement, or conspiracy, to commit some separate crime, and as United States v. Alverez made clear that lying itself is not unprotected speech, even if you do it to trick people (or example into thinking you are a veteran). Only the act of tricking people to commit theft (fraud), which was a traditionally proscribed, when the first amendment was made.

Tricking people into abandoning their civil rights, I do not think even falls within the statutory definition of the statute, when the statute was made. However the judge seems to think that words need to be flexible with changing times, which again is not a position the supreme court has takenn.

He has shown this with regards to the 6th Amendment claim that the defendant has the right to be tried where he committed the acts, not where the effects of the acts were felt. The intent of the founders were clear, so that a person would not be transported to some distant court for trial, based on how those effects were felt.

Ninja (profile) says:

As others already said the court is quite right in this case. It reminds me of the “person shouting fire in a crowded theater” case. The guy is facing the consequences of his fraudulent speech.

I do like the free speech approach the US constitution takes but I do think that some speech needs to face real consequences such as nazi, some clearly racist stuff etc. Specially the nazi part, the speech itself is about killing other humans because the speaker believes he/she belongs to some superior race or whatever nonsense.

There are consequences if you incite people to kill someone. Why don’t nazis suffer the same consequences when they do exactly that but with entire populations?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

“falsely shouting fire in a theatre” comes from a non-binding statement by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. in Schenck v. United States (1919) which was partially overturned by Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969). According to Brandenburg, the government can punish speech only if the speech “is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.”

Spreading disinformation about voting options fails the Brandenburg test because the speech itself doesn’t cause lawless action (e.g. a riot or an involuntary manslaughter).

Whether spreading disinformation about voting options is fraud under existing law is a separate question.

HotHead says:

Re: Re: I made a mistake

Previous commenter here. I said that Brandenburg only applies to speech which causes lawless action, but I might’ve been wrong to exclude speech which is lawless action. Still, to apply Brandenburg alone would be circular reasoning because there’s still the issue of whether Mackey’s speech was lawless.

elmo (profile) says:

There is a place for precedent

An arrest that took place more than four years after the alleged crime was committed isn’t exactly a timely response either. And it’s unlikely to have much of an effect on election disinformation unless the government is willing to treat everyone who engages in this form of speech the same way.

Choosing to arrest and prosecute is hard without precedent. I hope this ruling opens the door to more prosecutions. If we have imperfect laws for the crime, exercising them in court will help us learn how to make them better.

Anonymous Coward says:

“The court then handles Mackey’s argument that he wasn’t “fairly warned” that attempting to deter voting by deception was a criminal act, something that violates his due process rights. It’s an important question to raise, since it deals with criminal intent — something that’s essential to criminal conspiracy charges. Here’s where things start looking pretty dicey. The court cites plenty of precedent, but none appears to be on point. Almost all of it deals with politicians, election officials, and others directly involved in tallying votes engaging in criminal acts of voter suppression. There are also several cases where voters engaged in voter fraud by stuffing ballot boxes, forging ballots, and “incorrectly filling out ballots on behalf of illiterate voters.” Almost every case deals with direct interaction with the ballot system, rather than someone just telling voters something that wasn’t true.”

How exactly does this argument differ from Qualified Immunity? Aside from the person making the argument, I fail to see how it does, and given that you’ve been (rightly so!) extremely critical of QI in the past, this seems like a weird position to take.

Wyrm (profile) says:

Like several others here, I think that the judge likely has it right.

You can’t defraud people (here, of their right to vote) and get away with it because your whole scheme was done through communication instead of physical means.

What is punished is not the speech itself, but the deception, exactly as if they had set up a fake voting station or ballot drop box.

As for determining the guy’s intention, the question is the same as any other criminal act. There is no need to give him a pass on this one because of the way he implemented his crime. And the law doesn’t check if you intended to “commit a crime”, but if you intended to commit the act itself which happens to be a crime regardless of your knowledge of the law.

So, his lawyer is wrong in his defense that “my client didn’t know it was illegal” is a violation of due process. It doesn’t matter as long as he intended to commit this deception and the deception was a crime. (Though he could still argue that the law itself was unconstitutional. That would be a different approach, but not the one in question here.) I’ve always had mixed feelings about this whole “ignorance of the law is no excuse” in some really complex legal domains, but I still agree that one can’t just get out of a trial by saying: “oops, sorry, I didn’t know it was illegal.”

Also, I do agree with Tim that the law should be applied equally, but that does nothing to absolve this particular fraudster. It’s an important discussion to have, but it is not a valid point to excuse Mackey himself.

(As a side note, my own position is that even some “political speech” – which this wasn’t – should be illegal. Political appointments are positions of power and trust, so blatantly lying should not be a valid campaign strategy.
That’s a whole different conversation, but I’m just saying that I find the freedom of speech in the US way too broad, in particular where its consequences are the most impactful.)

HotHead says:

Seems like fraud to me, but it's the facts of the case are novel, maybe too novel

Was existing law regarding fraud written with Mackey’s kind of speech in mind? If not, does precedent at least come close to suggesting that Mackey’s speech could be considered fraud under existing law? Also, was it due process for the prosecution venue to be the Eastern District (Mackey’s place of residence) instead of the Southern District?

I was initially convinced by the court’s conclusion about fraud, and I’m not fully convinced by the court’s assessment that the Southern District was an appropriate venue.

Regarding the venue:

According to the Complaint, at least 4,900 people texted the number. (Id. at ‘I 36.) Many of the unique telephone numbers to do so “belong[ed] to individuals located in the Eastern District of
New York.” (Id.)

I haven’t spotted any evidence that at least one of the 4,900 people was in the SOUTHERN District. (If there is evidence, then my bad, because I haven’t found it in the court’s opinion.)

“Actual knowledge that an overt act was committed in the district of prosecution is not required, however: venue will lie if a reasonable jury could find that it was more probable than not that the defendant reasonably could have foreseen that part of the offense would take place in the district of prosecution.” Id. at 69-70. The foreseeability requirement does not operate to artificially limit the number of districts in which venue can be properly laid. See United States v. Rowe, 414 F.3d 271, 279 (2d Cir. 2005) (“[The defendant] must have known or contemplated that the advertisement would be transmitted by computer to anyone the whole world over who logged onto the site and entered the chat room. It is clear that the chat room could be entered in this district and in fact was entered in this district.”).

IANAL, so I may be mistaken, but shouldn’t hindsight override “foreseeability”? Unless I missed the evidence, hindsight hasn’t told the court that anyone in the Southern District took the bait.

Rowe, 414 F.3d at 279-280. Given that the most obvious place for venue to be proper, the Southern District of New York, lies just across the river from this venue, and that the residents of that district hold much the same political leanings as the residents of the Eastern District, those factors “are not substantially present in this case.” Id. Mackey argues on reply that the Government should be unable to establish that venue lies in a given district purely because it is “the location of the intended victims” of a conspiracy. (Reply at 3-5.) This court agrees. Were this the only mode of contact with the district, venue would not be properly laid. However, given the several ways in which a jury could properly find venue, this court does not dismiss the Indictment for lack of venue.

I don’t really get the poltiical leanings test, but it seems to be precedent. However, it’s a stretch to call the Southern District of New York the “obvious place for venue”. The obvious place would be the Eastern District.

Venue aside, here’s are the parts about fraud that I found meaningful:

“[s]tatutes that target defamatory speech or speech
that harms the election process, is fraudulent, or that intimidates voters are likely to be permissible” [L. Rev. 291, 298 (2022)]

Second, the Deceptive Tweets implicate the fraud exception. The Court’s historical decisions indicate that statutes regulating (and criminalizing) fraud do not violate the First Amendment. This exception can be attributed to the particulars of history, but it can also be understood as acknowledging the irrelevance of fraudulent acts to the values protected by the First Amendment.

Regardless of its justification, fraud is not covered speech under the First Amendment. Although the Supreme Court has not clearly defined fraud for First Amendment purposes, under New York law the “elements of a common law fraud claim are a material false representation, an intent to defraud thereby, and reasonable reliance on the representation, causing damage.” Chevron Corp. v. Danziger, 871 F. Supp. 2d 229, 255 (S.D.N.Y. 2012).

The Chevron case was decided in the 2nd Circuit (Nos. 14-0826(L), 14-0832(C), 2016 WL 4173988 (2d Cir. Aug. 8, 2016)), so the “common law fraud” definition in the Chevron case should apply to the Eastern District as well as the Southern District.

With that said, this common law fraud definition hasn’t been applied to a case like Mackey’s. Benjamin Jay Barber’s comment about the Supreme Court’s rejection of applying a balancing test to speech and of creating a new category of unprotected speech has convinced me that the government shouldn’t prosecute Douglas Mackey’s speech. (If there were a national security issue, then there might be a different story.)

bhull242 (profile) says:

I, like many others here, agree with the judge on the 1A issues. The key factor here being that this was intentional fraud. It’s not a case where he was telling something he believed to be true even if it was obviously false, nor was it a case where he didn’t expect anyone to rely on his deception to their detriment, nor was it a case where no one was actually deceived. That’s fraud, plain and simple.

That said, I disagree with the judge regarding choice-of-venue. On that, unless you specifically target the place, you get tried where you reside or where you were at the time the criminal act occurred.

And as for whether the specific statute covers this act, I am uncertain on that and so take no position on that issue.

sumgai (profile) says:

Re: WTF?

It took you nearly 3 weeks to make and post that video? And even after all that time spent not researching the topic, you still managed to post a facts-optional, high-school quality video. Well, congratulations there, beanie, you just won the internets!

First – she’s a comedienne, so almost anything she says in a public display is probably a joke of some kind.

Second – she did this alone, as part of a comedy sketch. She didn’t ask anyone else to join her, hence no conspiracy (which requires more than one participant).

Third – the only thing that the RWNJ crowd picked up on was that she mocked Mackey, and that upset them something fierce. Sub-par IQ participants of the human race tend to over-react when they think with their emotions instead of with their brains.

Fourth – go back and re-read the second sentence in #3 – do you fit that description? If so, then you might want to sit down and have a little chat with yourself. Just sayin’.

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