Republicans Sue Google To Try To Force Spam Into Your Inbox

from the spam-spam-spam-spam dept

Okay, let’s get this out of the way first: Republican politicians send a shit-ton of spam. And, no, it’s not just standard political messaging. It’s spam. And it’s often full of absolute scams. Erick Erickson, an extremely rightwing/GOP-supporting commentator, recently wrote a whole post calling out his team for spamming everyone and then blaming others for the problems their spam created.

The consultant class of the GOP is pushing the mythology that Google and Apple are flagging their emails because tech companies hate Republicans. I’ve spent a week on the phone with many Republican consultants, including those tied to campaigns whose emails make it to my inbox. They all tell me the same thing — the problem is not Google or Apple, but the GOP consultant class.

He notes that he never signed up for any of these political campaign lists, but he gets all the mail. As he notes:

These are not examples of Google abusing Republican emails. This is an example of Republican consultants abusing emails they have access to and Google and Apple protecting their users from spam.

Unfortunately, the Republican consultants have the ears of their leaders and their solution is to pressure Google and Apple to let all the spam go through. They are selling Republican elected officials on the idea that Google is nefariously blocking their emails.

The reality is the consultants will not fess up to their abuses. They will not own up to their poor stewardship of email lists. They’ll claim the Democrats are more effective because of tech company biases and not because the Democrats are actually better stewards of an email file.

He even thanks Google and Apple from “sparing” him from all this spam, from the very candidates that he generally supports.

And that’s not even getting into the many other problems Republicans have had with email of late. Studies have shown that the GOP specializes in sending misleading campaign emails using “spam-like senders.

One email sent by the re-election campaign of Senator Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) lists its sender as “Reservation Confirmation,” with the subject line “FLIGHT NUMBER: 8341.” The message itself states the former president has “invited you to join him for a private dinner at Mar-a-Lago!”

A click to the “Confirm your interest here” button redirects the recipient to a fundraiser offering a chance to win the dinner with Trump. Donations will benefit Blackburn’s campaign, in addition to that of Congresswoman Elise Stefanik (R-NY).

Some emails from the team of Representative Steve Scalise (R-LA) cryptically appear as coming from a sender simply named “Steve,” with the subject line “hey.” Scalise’s fundraising emails have also put down “URGENT RESPONSE REQUIRED” as senders. Scalise is the House Minority Whip Representative.

In an email paid for by the Republican State Leadership Committee, which works to help Republicans gain control of state legislatures, the sender is “Me, Trump State Allies (2)”—appearing to imply a back-and-forth conversation—and the subject line is “re: @realDonaldTrump mentioned YOUR name!”

These emails are separating gullible rubes from their money, including the $250 million that Trump raised, in part with these scammy emails, claiming that it would be used to contest the 2020 election that he lost, when it basically went to Trump and his friends instead. Or how about how many Republican donors demanded their money back, after scammy spammy emails for Trump’s campaign tricked them into making recurring donations.

Mr. Trump’s political operation began opting online donors into automatic recurring contributions by prechecking a box on its digital donation forms to take a withdrawal every week. Donors would have to notice the box and uncheck it to opt out of the donation. A second prechecked box took out another donation, known as a “money bomb.”

The Trump team then obscured that fact by burying the fine print beneath multiple lines of bold and capitalized text, a New York Times investigation earlier this year found.

Then there’s the story of the Republican candidate for Congress who tricked donors with emails that pretended to be from Trump or Ron DeSantis asking for donations, when the donations were actually for himself:

In his pursuit of Florida’s 4th Congressional District, Aguilar has used WinRed, a popular platform Republicans employ to process campaign contributions, to send a flurry of fundraising emails. But the solicitations did not mention Aguilar’s campaign or his leading competitor in the Aug. 23 primary, state Sen. Aaron Bean, who has the support of much of the state’s GOP establishment.

Instead, the messages were written in a way that suggested donations would actually go toward more prominent GOP politicians, including the former president, the governor or Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan.

“Governor DeSantis is always fighting back against Corrupt Left,” read one email that came under a logo using DeSantis’ name. “No matter how bad this country is the Fake News media and Biden Admin are OBSESSED with that [sic] Florida is doing.”

It added: “It is time to help America’s #1 Governor. Can we count on you to support DeSantis?”

They’re spammers.

But, if there’s one other thing we know about Republicans, beyond their desire to spam inboxes, we also know they can’t take responsibility for when they fuck stuff up. The party that pretended to be the party of “personal responsibility” has shown over the years that it’s the exact opposite. Everything coming out of Republicans these days is blaming everyone else for the stuff they themselves fucked up.

It’s pathetic.

And, as we’ve been covering, they’ve been doing it for the past six months or so with this email nonsense, and now they’ve taken it to a new, and even more ridiculous level: the Republican National Committee is suing Google because of its spam filter. I mean, what a bunch of whiny little children who can’t admit that they fucked up.

As we’ve discussed, Republican political consultants flipped out about this spam stuff, and never once considered that maybe they were the ones screwing up. They filed an FEC complaint against Google, claiming their spam filter was an unfair in-kind contribution. They introduced a law to try to require all email providers whitelist political spam.

And despite how disingenuous they’ve been throughout this whole thing, Google caved. Google agreed to a pilot program where they would whitelist politicians’ emails from going to spam (though it would ask recipients if they wanted to keep receiving such emails). This pilot program needed approval from the FEC, and it was universally hated by everyone who commented (across the political aisle) because people are sick of political spam.

Yet… last week, we noted that no Republicans have even signed up for the program. As we noted at the time, it seems easier for them to just want to perpetually play the victim rather than make use of the solutions presented to them.

So, on to the lawsuit. They hired the Dhillon Law Group, whose name has been showing up in pretty much every frivolous, pathetic, whiney, “oh, I’m a conservative and I’m a victim” lawsuit we’ve seen over the past couple of years. We were just talking about how they flopped and had the SLAPP suit that they filed on behalf of John Stossel against Facebook tossed out of court. But, now they’re suing Google for… protecting its users with spam filters.

The lawsuit is a complete and utter joke.

It claims that most of their emails get through, except the ones at the very end of the month which go to spam. They insist that this is proof that Google is deliberately targeting them, which… makes no sense at all. It seems more likely that they ramp up their mailings at the end of each month, which trips the algorithm to designate more of their emails as spam. Basically, play shitty spam games, win shitty spam filter prizes.

The argument in the lawsuit is another one favored by idiots insisting that “big tech” discriminates against conservatives: that it’s a violation of California’s anti-discrimination laws, such as the Unruh Act. This has been tried before and failed miserably under Section 230, and that’s likely to happen with this lawsuit as well. It then tries to argue that Google’s email is a “common carrier” and that the spam filter somehow violates common carrier law. This is just utter nonsense.

Email, of course, is an open protocol. There are numerous different providers, and different ways you can set it up. If you don’t like how Google handles its spam filtering, you can pretty easily move to a different provider (or you can… go through your spam folder and tell it what you want to train the filter). If we somehow declared every individual email service provider a common carrier that would be the end of email, because it would make spam filtering effectively illegal. It’s complete nonsense.

The entire point of this complaint is to say that spammers effectively have a fundamental right to flood your inbox. Even if you could make a credible argument that email was a common carrier (and again, you cannot), then the party who should complain is the holder of the inbox who feels that emails they want are being unfairly blocked and not the asshole spammers trying to scam you out your money.

While the complaint heavily cites Judge Andy Oldham’s nonsense ruling in the 5th Circuit, someone should remind the RNC that they filed this case in California, which is… not in the 5th Circuit.

Unfortunately, this is not the first time a communications company has discriminated against people based on their political views and affiliation, but fortunately this means there are laws ready to combat this harm. In the 1800s, a pivotal form of communication was the telegraph and Western Union had a dominate market share across the country. By the late 1800s, “legislators grew ‘concern[ed] about the possibility that the private entities that controlled this amazing new technology would use that power to manipulate the flow of information to the public when doing so served their economic or political self-interest.’” NetChoice, LLC v. Paxton, 49 F.4th 439, 470 (5th Cir. 2022) (opinion of Oldham, J.) (quoting Genevieve Lakier, The Non-First Amendment Law of Freedom of Speech, 134 Harv. L. Rev. 2299, 2321 (2021)).

“These fears proved well-founded.” NetChoice, 49 F.4th at 470. Even though Western Union offered to serve any member of the public, it repeatedly discriminated against messages based on the message’s political views or on the person’s political affiliation. It, for example, “discriminated against certain political speech, like strike-related telegraphs.” Id.; see also Lakier, supra, at 2322. It was also “widely believed that Western Union … ‘influenc[ed] the reporting of political elections in an effort to promote the election of candidates their directors favored.’” NetChoice, 49 F.4th at 470 (quoting Lakier, supra, at 2322); see also The Blaine Men Bluffing, N.Y. Times, Nov. 6, 1884, at 5. And it was not the only time Western Union was accused of discriminating based on political views or affiliation: “Similar accusations were made about Western Union’s role in the presidential contest[] eight years earlier.” Lakier, supra, at 2322 n.114 (citing David Hochfelder, The Telegraph in America, 1832-1920, at 176 (2013)).

In response to these discriminatory practices, states across the country enacted nondiscrimination laws that prohibited businesses from “manipulating the flow of information to the public.” Lakier, supra, at 2322; see also NetChoice, 49 F.4th at 471. One such state was California. It passed laws requiring “common carriers” to timely transmit messages in a nondiscriminatory manner

For what it’s worth, while this lawsuit heavily quotes professor Genevieve Lakier, Lakier herself has gone on record claiming that Oldham misinterpreted her work on the common carrier issue and that it “conveniently ignores” the precedents that disagree with Oldham’s conclusion, of which there are many rejecting the idea of expanding common carrier law to other realms.

The lawsuit goes on, basically demanding that Google not be allowed to filter RNC emails into spam. I’m not joking:

The court should thus make clear that California’s nondiscrimination provisions apply to Google’s Gmail. Whether Google is categorized as a common carrier, public accommodation, or a business providing a service, California law prohibits Google’s spam filtration of RNC emails based on political affiliation and views. To conclude otherwise would mean that “email providers, mobile phone companies, and banks could cancel the accounts of anyone who sends an email, makes a phone call, or spends money in support of a disfavored political party, candidate, or business.”

But here’s the thing: they’re not filtering the spam based on “political affiliation and views.” They’re filtering it because it’s spam. Maybe try not to be such spammers? Or, at the very least, sign up for the stupid pilot whitelist program Google rolled out just for you?

Generally, if you can take action to avoid the supposed “harm” you’re suing over, and you don’t take those actions, then your lawsuit is not going to go very far.

Hilariously, the RNC complaint insists that “the most reasonable inference” is that Google is deliberately trying to stifle Republicans, which is ridiculous. They’re just trying to stop spam. But, here’s where the lawsuit goes even dumber: it says that even if this isn’t based on viewpoint discrimination, Google should still lose… for negligence. That’s… not how any of this works.

It is no answer to say, as Google surely will, that its spam filtering is not intentional. The most reasonable inference is that it is intentional. Regardless, Google’s conduct is at the very least negligent and unreasonable. And California law forbids that too. Common carrier law doesn’t require intentional discrimination. Neither do common law claims like negligent interference with prospective relations. Neither does California’s unfair practices law. In the end, Google has violated the law, cost the RNC numerous donations and substantial revenue, and irreparably injured the RNC’s relationship with its community.

One of the specific claims in the lawsuit is that this is a violation of California’s common carrier law, which is hilarious. Your email inbox is not a common carrier. Then there’s the Unruh claim of discrimination, an unfair competition claim (Google competes with the RNC?), and then (of course) an intentional interference with prospective economic relations. In other words, they’re effectively saying any spammer should be able to sue Google for blocking the spam because it’s stopping gullible suckers from paying up.

It’s nonsense.

There are a few other claims, including a “negligence” claim which is pretty funny. It’s negligent to place your spam in the spam folder? The details of the claim are laughable:

Google thus has a duty to receive emails sent by the RNC, and to transmit them to Gmail users’ inboxes upon reasonable terms.

Google also has a duty to transmit and deliver messages sent by the RNC to Gmail users with great care and diligence.

Google did not transmit the RNC’s emails to its users’ inboxes on reasonable terms, or exercise care and diligence in the transmission and delivery of the RNC’s emails to Gmail users because it has in bad faith, and for no accurate or reasonable reason it can explain, intercepted and diverted the RNC’s emails to Gmail users’ spam folders. Google’s political bias or hostility to the RNC is not a reasonable basis for refusing to transmit the emails to its users’ inbox and, in the alternative, its arbitrary or incompetent failure to deliver the RNC’s emails to Gmail users’ inboxes does not constitute great care and diligence.

Honestly, I still don’t understand why Democrats haven’t been parading all this nonsense in ads and speeches all over the place, calling out that Republicans are demanding that they get to infiltrate your email box and stop your spam filters from working.

Everyone hates spam.

If the Democrats were doing this, Fox News would be having a field day about this kind of ridiculousness.

Republicans used to claim they were the party of personal responsibility. Now they’re the party of “we fucked around, we found out, but now we’re going to blame you for it.” It’s just utterly pathetic.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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“Wish I had a mailbomb to send back to the RNC and its sycophant.”

You do. Send them one cent, and do so every week (or whatever period they pre-checked). When they hound you for more, acknowledge receipt of the request, and reply that when your finances improve, you’ll raise the donation. (Like to about 2 cents, but that amount would be up to you.)

Now if everyone did this, we might see an improvement in the quality of their begging emails. Though I personally wouldn’t hold my breath for that to happen.

sumgai

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John85851 (profile) says:

Democrats need to grow some

Democrats need to grow some you-know-whats.
Like you said, if Democrats sued Google to force spam on people, it would be all over Fox News.
Yet when Republicans do it, no Democrats want to stand up and attack Republicans.

And this is why I think our political system is messed up: Republicans will push and bully and belittle, while Democrats say they’re taking the high road and never fight back.
You know what happens to bullies when people don’t stand up to them? They get away with even more things, simply because they know nothing will happen to them.
This is why we have a former president who was impeached twice, who may run for president again, and who’s supported by most of the Republican party. If that doesn’t say Democrats ate wimps, then I don’t know what does.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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At this point, Republican voters won’t be swayed by anything short of a threat of a nuclear strike by the POTUS within the borders of the United States. (And even then, I’m not so sure.) Republican lawmakers and pundits will continue escalating their rhetoric and their bigotry until they can no longer return to being moderate in any way, shape, or form without also shattering their credibility.

Welcome to the Trumpian age of American politics: Nothing matters, everyone who isn’t wealthy will suffer, and the wealthy will leave for somewhere else once things get unbearably hellish for even their tastes.

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Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

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“And this is why I think our political system is messed up: Republicans will push and bully and belittle, while Democrats say they’re taking the high road and never fight back.”

Part of the problem is as you say. Democrats are notoriously bad at messaging and at hitting back. This is mainly due to “democrats” by now being everyone who isn’t stark, raving mad. From hard right libertarians to democratic socialists convinced wall street needs to die – they’re all sharing a tent. Today Reagan, Eisenhower, Nixon and got dam Goldwater would all be democrats. This is why they’re always having, uh…”issues” presenting a combined front. It’s a party which literally can not agree on anything other than that they aren’t down with fascism and conspiracy theory shitwits running the country.

Meanwhile the democrat voter is picky. Usually rational. Values facts. Difficult to cater to even in the best of times when you represent as wide a stretch of fiscal policy as the democrat party does.

Democrat politicians therefore need to not be seen as the irrational frothing hysterics. They needs to present calm. Manners. That high road.

Meanwhile the GOP base are grievance addicts who cling to their daily dose of fear and hatred the way a crack junkie does to his pipe. The ONLY thing they demand from their representative is that daily fix. That rant against the librul cannibal pedo-cult, the revelation that Biden wears Satan’s knickers while addressing the union, or flooding, drought and wildfires being the fault of jewish space lasers leased to the democrat commie-loving N**er-hugging transsexuals all *coming for your guns!

The cruelty is the point. The misery resulting in voting for the GOP representative taking the meds away from granny and forcing your daughter to be an involuntary incubator for old Uncle Billy-Bob’s spawn something they give as many shits about as the aforementioned addict does about living on dog food and not showering for three weeks.

Yeah, the democrats do need to hit back. At the same time there’s a limit to how hard they can do it, because to their base they still need to present themselves as rational beings. And you can’t do that while effectively countering the screaming klansman in the tin foil hat at the other end of the table.

No, this has to come from the 70% of the US citizenry not addicted to spending significant time each day riding an adrenaline high.

Sever all ties with that crazy uncle and deplorable ex. Don’t tolerate the nazi trying to launch their spiel at your table. When that oathkeeper starts his rant, shut him down and throw him out. Run those jokers out of town and out of any place civilized people gather. Show them, clearly, that if they insist on being assholes then there are consequences in doing so.

Politicians can’t help you there. The MAGA faithful exist because the common citizen, isn’t loud enough in telling them off and tossing them out.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Absolutely, SDM.

We’re long past any feasible way of working with these people, and frankly there’s no way to do so when they aren’t even willing to believe their own eyes and ears.

There’s plenty of optimists out there advocating for some kind of middle ground. Personally, I can’t see a middle ground that fails to take reality into account, but we will need their positivity to move forward once the threat is gone.

There’s also plenty of folks who feel we should embrace these poor souls, try to understand them, feel what their pains are, relate to them, and so on. While well-intentioned, they should be reminded of my personal favorite – the paradox of tolerance – if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant.

This is where we are. We try to play by the rules. Go high, when they go low. But they’ve left the game, and good will isn’t going to stop them from flipping the board over, shitting on the table, and telling us we lost.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

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There’s plenty of optimists out there advocating for some kind of middle ground. Personally, I can’t see a middle ground that fails to take reality into account, but we will need their positivity to move forward once the threat is gone.

I’m reminded of a tweet I ran across a good while back.

Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.
You take a step toward him. He takes a step back.
Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.
-A.R. (Actually Republic) Moxon
@JuliusGoat

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Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

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Go google “I’d rather be russian than a democrat”. Switch to “images”.

You can not shame these people. They simply aren’t self-aware enough. All you’ll ever do is convince them that their echo chamber is right when it tells them they’re the chosen lonely few bravely fighting on amidst a sea of librul pedo-cult cannibal hipster ninjas.

They’re a lost cause. Just like with crack addicts it takes a serious formative event for them to wake up from the addled haze of fear and hatred for long enough that they’ll actually think about what they’ve been doing.

Any pity or compassion sent their way by now – it’s wasted effort. The best you can hope for is to evict them from your life in all ways possible and hope the steaming piles of shit they left on the floor isn’t toxic enough to screw said life further.

And I’m not making the comparison with drug addicts lightly or in hyperbole – google “What the science of addiction can tell us about Trump”. Or “DHS addicted to hate white supremacists”. These people are addicts. They do not care who their current dealer is or what exactly s/he peddles as long as the end result is that they get that kick of fear and hate.

That’s why their narratives never make sense – they’ve been constructed to post-facto produce an end result they already decided on. And why these “last, true americans” walk around saying they’d rather be Russian than have to respect other americans and sit in echo chambers where their closest neighbors are russians, white supremacists and the 9/11 guys (with apologies to Trae Crowder for stealing that line).

Anonymous Coward says:

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Any pity or compassion sent their way by now – it’s wasted effort.

You say that like I want pity or compassion for them.

I want them shamed into the ground such that they will never work, play, breathe, or exist in the same space as we do and breathe the same air we do. Then, and only then, will true love spread across the world.

Anonymous Coward says:

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The Democratic problem is that they are exercised by issues that affect “bad” people, or tiny minorities. Whom does bail reform and reduced incarceration help? It’s people accused or convicted of crimes. Whom does DACA and sanctuary cities help? It’s people who entered the country illegally. Why should policy towards transgender people loom so large? Why do they allow the “undomiciled” to fester in the streets?

All of this makes it trivial for Republicans to talk to Americans who are not criminals, not illegal aliens, not queer, not bums, and tell them that Democrats don’t care about them, don’t even see them. And when Democrats try to run damage control, it becomes obvious that they are doing it only because they have to, not because they want to. After you’ve already said defund the police, no one believes you when you say you didn’t really mean it.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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Why should policy towards transgender people loom so large?

You should know that Republicans care far more about transgender policy that Democrats. Granted, Republicans care in a “we need to solve the ‘transgender question’ ” way. But they still care more than Democrats.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Ooh, I know these ones

Whom does bail reform and reduced incarceration help?

Anyone who might find themselves thrown into the meat grinder that is the legal(not justice) system and whether guilty or innocent face life ruining and dehumanizing treatment as a result, which is anyone and everyone unless you’re rich enough.

Why should policy towards transgender people loom so large?

Because a bunch of perverted deviants are so obsessed with what’s in the pants of trans people that it’s actually necessary to remind them that trans people are in fact people and deserve to be treated as such.

Why do they allow the “undomiciled” to fester in the streets?

Because the US is a nation of temporarily embarrassed millionaires infected by the idea that if you work hard enough you’re guaranteed to be successful, which might not sound bad at first glance but which sneaks in the horribly toxic idea that if someone isn’t successful it must be because they’re lazy, criminal or both, and therefore are beneath contempt and well beneath any sort of social help, especially if that help might require the well off to give some of their money to those icky poor people.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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All it takes is for you to not listen to bigotry and hatred that is Republican speech for the US to become a dictatorship with policies that are not dissimilar to those of ISIS or the Taliban. Which book is claimed as authoritative differs, but the result, the enforcement of an intolerant theocracy is the same, whether it claims to be religious, or just political.

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Chris Brand says:

It does get delivered, though, right?

I mean I could see that they might have an argument if their emails were just dropped completely, but they do get delivered to the recipient, just sorted into one particular folder. What’s so special about the “inbox”?

discussitlive (profile) says:

Re: bust out the small violin

I mean I could see that they might have an argument if their emails were just dropped completely,

Not really. The sender has no standing with Alphabet. They neither agreed to the Terms of Service nor consume the service themself. They are attempting to use a service someone else owns, they don’t pay, and have no relationship with. Almost as if the RNC want to nationalize Alphabet. Alphabet is not the government, therefore has no duty to the 1st amendment. If I don’t want to accept a package from USPS, I can file a form 2500 for that sender. No more packages or letters from that person. If I put a “UPS: NO TRESPASSING” sign up, I don’t get UPS packages. It’s not up to either of those to force me to change my mind.

but they do get delivered to the recipient, just sorted into one particular folder. What’s so special about the “inbox”?

Irrelevant. The sender has no standing, only the recipient. And GMail does silently and completely drop some senders, the Usual Suspects (ROKSO spammers, dynamic space, announced consumer IP space, and and and.)

Which is why I have a mail server I control personally. If I don’t want email from BRNIC, APNIC, LATNIC, it’s in the firewall. If I do need one, I can turn off the firewall, make an exception, or find a business not in infested spammer space with unresponsive ISPs.

I’m a tech, not an attorney, so I don’t know why a simple request to drop the suit vis-a-vi “failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted” isn’t a slam dunk here. Or standing.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Google did not transmit the RNC’s emails to its users’ inboxes on reasonable terms, or exercise care and diligence in the transmission and delivery of the RNC’s emails to Gmail users

Today I learnt that the Republicans consider a spam filter unreasonable, biased and not doing their due diligence.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

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Only when it impacts their emails, the same report that kicked off this whole thing also talked about how two other email providers filter democrat emails more than gmail but that didn’t seem to get much attention that I’m aware of, instead it was just ‘Google/Big Tech has it out for republicans’.

Anonymous Coward says:

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instead it was just ‘Google/Big Tech has it out for republicans’.

Perhaps republicans should ask their users why they continue to support Google & Big Tech by voluntarily using their email service with all of those other non-censoring choices available to them.

It’s ironic to me that republicans consider Google an evil empire that is blocking information from getting to them, and the solution is to attack the blocking while continuing to use the service. As Gmail is free for personal use, the end user is the product. They hate it and would love to see it destroyed, while not seeming to understand that they support the company through all those emergency requests for legal fund donations.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Look at all the melting snowflakes...

On the one hand yet again the part of personal responsibility and mocking the ‘snowflakes’ demonstrates how they’re never responsible for their own actions and are desperate to be treated as special and immune from criticism or consequences.

On the other hand this is kinda what Google should have expected by treating the whining as honest and in good faith. They should have shot back by pointing out why all those emails are ending up in the spam filter, talking about how said emails end up there because they use all the same tactics as non-political spammers, and if Google really wanted to twist the knife ‘generously’ pointing the spammers to a few Email 101 courses that I’m sure are available that provide basic education on how to properly set up an emailing program.

Anonymous Coward says:

Maybe try not to be such spammers? Or, at the very least, sign up for the stupid pilot whitelist program Google rolled out just for you?

Well, if they sign up for the program and people tell Google their mail is spam, Google’s already said they’ll be kicked out of the program. So if they’re not gonna stop spamming, what’s the point? I’m wondering whether Google designed the whole thing as a “poison pill” in the first place, to force politicians to say on the record that their goal is to send messages to people that don’t want them.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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I’m wondering whether Google designed the whole thing as a “poison pill” in the first place, to force politicians to say on the record that their goal is to send messages to people that don’t want them.

I have to imagine that this was the point. What sucks for Google is that “the party of personal responsibility” will always refuse to accept responsibility for grifting poor dopes because playing the victim⁠—even when the party essentially victimizes itself⁠—is how the grift works.

discussitlive (profile) says:

Worlds smallest violin

I’m a tech person. I’ve an Ansible script to set up MTA’s, I’ve tested it to 250 servers (servers, about 5,000 email boxes per server for office, likely 10,000-25,000 for home, off and on use).
Domain name: $25
Virtual Server: $3 per month per each
Software: All but the Ansible script is open source and free to use.
Time to execute: Once the planning and all is done, about 15 minutes (tested)
Planning time: Depends on what you want to do, 2 hours to 2 months for 3 to 10 people, depending if you also want to do the graphics design differently or use what you already have and how much effort to keep the other party’s spammers from slamming your mail boxes, along with the rest of the dross.

discussitlive (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Point was the RNC could set their own mail service up and ask folks to sign up for a mail box. I do that for businesses that don’t want to allow sensitive emails out into the wild when I can’t convince them that email is neither secure, nor time sensitive, nor non-reputiable. Oddly, it’s mostly attorneys that ask for it.
Apologies for being less than clear.

Christenson says:

Re: Re: Re: Securing e-mail

So, two questions:
a) Where does the RNC hire someone with enough tech chops to pull off an e-mail service?? lol!
b) As you note, e-mail has horrific security properties that won’t be changing for the better anytime soon. Suppose I want better, what technical solution would you suggest??

discussitlive (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

a) Where does the RNC hire someone with enough tech chops to pull off an e-mail service?? lol!

Depends on how much they want to spend. Hell, even I have a price starting around 5 million for violating my personal ethics to work for dishonest people, and up from there for spamming. Actual criminality, though, that price is not money.

b) As you note, e-mail has horrific security properties that won’t be changing for the better anytime soon. Suppose I want better, what technical solution would you suggest??

Depends on a number of factors. Casual threats are easily shrugged off with simple and available means, PGP for instance – encrypt the payload if you aren’t bothered by signals intelligence. (The frequency, location, and timing of messages sans the content.)

State threats, however, are an entirely different kit and kabootle. I couldn’t shoot from the hip for an answer there, keeping in mind it will change with time as well as frequency. “Someone” set up a system where it sent nonsense every X minutes even if there was no actual message, and never on command, only by the schedule. Failing to receive a scheduled message was in itself a message.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

The immediate above was intended to be a response to Stone’s missive, not a separate post.

Good to know that, per its usual MO, WordPress can effortlessly screw up such a simple thing as sorting out a reply to a post versus an original post…. and get it exactly bass-ackwards. Way to fucktion, there, Automattic.

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That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

One would have expected all of those Nigerian Princes would have gotten together to sue Google first, they have more money than the RNC… i mean look how much they want to give me!

People starting life on second base, upset that others manage to hit a single and they might run to 2nd base and leave them with no base of their own.
So they build a moat, they pay off an umpire, the demand instant replay over and over and over and over et. nausem, then demand that the head of the league come right now and decide that the rules now say that they can stay on 2nd base and force the runner at 1st to stay there or be removed from the game.

Nothing is ever fair for them.
It is always a plot to get them.
THEY are the real victims, not people who can’t do x while black.

Dear GQP…
The people you are paying money to, to get your message out, are the ones fscking you over. They don’t want to admit it because well how much of a cut are you paying them from each dollar they get you? Stop believing the fairy tale. I know how about you demand a copy of every email sent in your name and you go through them… and then tell me its perfectly fine. That sneaky recurring monthly payments is how you want to do business. That emails lacking in truth or honesty (loses control & bursts out laughing)
Yeah right like they would do this.
Show the Judge the emails, show how many users flagged it as spam, and tell the RNC to stop running congames on their own people.

Norahc (profile) says:

SS, DP

Same shit, Different Party

Republicans spam email inboxes, Democrats spam text messaging services.

Every elecrion, I get about a dozen unsolicited spam emails from Republicans and about 100 spam text messages from Democrats (despite the fact I am not named Lequisha or Diamond, and have had the same number for the past 10 years. Democrats claim they get my number from the secretary of state voter list, despite me being a registered independent).

That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

Re:

Well we couldn’t have penalties for political parties who refuse to audit their lists…

I mean phone numbers are like social security numbers, you get one and it is yours forever (or until some kid pays $25 to simjack you). No one has EVER lost a cell phone number for non-payment, those numbers have never been recycled, they always belong to that person forever!!

Once again the amazing simple solution is make things opt-in… they think everyone loves getting political crap, so why wouldn’t they reup every year to get texts and emails??

Anonymous Coward says:

Google still marks email from Parler as spam. Even with a filter set up to not put such email into the spam folder, it shows up in GMail with a spam warning and a button to designate it “not spam”, every single time, even when people are on Parler’s mailing list and want such messages. Hitting that button then moves the display to the next email rather than leaving the Parler one open. People might be forgiven for thinking that Google really, really does not want them to be reading Parler emails and that there’s a little bit more to this than just spam filtering.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Sure. And if you don’t like the undomiciled camping and defecating in your streets, you can just move to a different city. That’s not how it works, though. You don’t get to immunize bad behavior that you like from criticism just because there is an inconvenient way of avoiding the consequences of that bad behavior.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

You don’t get to immunize bad behavior that you like from criticism

Yes or no: Can you prove that Parler emails are ending up in GMail’s spam folders only, specifically, and explicitly because of Parler ostensibly being a conservative Twitter-like?

If you want to criticize bad behavior, you might want to show proof of that behavior first.

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