The ‘Institute For Free Speech’ Seems Confused About Free Speech Online

from the free-speech-should-only-protect-speech-i-like dept

There’s a very strange opinion piece over at The Hill by the chair of something called The Institute for Free Speech, Bradley Smith, basically arguing that because courts are finding that websites are protected by Section 230 while moderating in ways that some people (read: him and his friends)… Congress may take away Section 230, and the way to avoid that is for sites to stop moderating content that some people (again: him and his friends) don’t like… even though they have a 1st Amendment right to do so.

The piece starts out by talking about the very good 11th Circuit decision calling Florida’s social media bill unconstitutional, along with the Supreme Court’s decision to reinstate a lower court ruling blocking Texas’ similar law from going into effect. But he uses these rulings as a jumping off point to argue that they will cause Congress to remove Section 230.

Within these victories, however, lie the seeds of disaster for the platforms — the possible repeal, or substantial alteration, of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996.

I mean, it’s possible, though I’m not sure it would be because of those two rulings. There is bipartisan hatred of Section 230, but generally for opposite reasons, so rulings in any direction these days may cause an eager Congress to try to do something. But given that the 11th Circuit decision was based around the 1st Amendment, and barely touched on Section 230, it’s weird to call out Section 230 as the issue.

The key provision of Section 230, which has been dubbed the “the twenty-six words that created the internet” by cybersecurity law professor Jeff Kosseff, shields companies from liability for what others post on online platforms. Traditional publishers such as newspapers, by contrast, can be sued for what they allow in their pages.

It’s always weird when people cite Jeff’s book when it’s clear they haven’t read any of it. So, at the very least, I’d recommend that Smith actually take the time to read Jeff’s book, because it would debunk some other nonsense he has in his piece.

Section 230 was never meant as a gift to Big Tech, which could hardly be said to exist in 1996. Rather, it protected the nascent internet from being crushed by lawsuits or swamped with “obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable” speech. Congress wanted companies to be able to exercise editorial control over that sort of content without becoming liable for everything else users post on their platforms.

First off, Section 230 was passed in response to two cases: one involving CompuServe (at the time owned by H&R Block, which was a pretty big company at the time), and one involving Prodigy (at the time owned by IBM and Sears Roebuck, also pretty large companies). So this idea that it was to protect “nascent” industries has always struck me as ahistorical.

Second, that summary of what Congress “wanted” also seems to only get a part of the story, and not the full picture. As the authors of Section 230 have stated repeatedly, the point of Section 230 wasn’t just to keep websites from being crushed in this manner, but rather to let them create the kinds of communities they wanted, without fear of having to face litigation over every editorial decision. That is, it is designed as a procedural booster to the 1st Amendment — a kind of anti-SLAPP law to get rid of frivolous litigation quickly.

And, of course it was never meant to be “a gift to big tech” because it was never about the tech at all. It was meant to be a gift to free speech. That’s why it is focused on (1) protecting sites that host user content and (2) protecting those users as well (something that most critics of 230 ignore).

Smith then does correctly note that if websites had to carefully screen all content, it would basically be impossible and would create a mess, and notes how much 230 has helped to build the modern internet to enable people to communicate… but then it goes off the rails quickly. He suggests that “big tech” is somehow abusing Section 230.

The question now is: What happens when Big Tech decides it doesn’t want to let everyone speak freely?

Except, no, we already answered that question with Section 230 and the 1st Amendment much earlier: nothing happens. Companies are free to set their own editorial rules and people are free to use or not use the service based on those, and if you break the rules, the services are free to respond to that rule breaking. That’s exactly what 230 intended. There’s no further question that really needs to be asked or answered. But Smith thinks otherwise.

The major platforms censor users for purposes that Congress never considered or intended in 1996. Section 230 identifies only speech belonging to the categories above as appropriate for removal.

Except… this is not true. Congress absolutely considered and intended this in 1996, again, according to the very authors of Section 230. The entire intent was to allow websites to determine for themselves what kind of community they wanted, what to allow, and what not to allow, without fear of having to litigate every decision. As the authors of 230 have noted, a forum discussing Republican politics shouldn’t be forced to also host Democratic talking points, and vice versa.

The line about 230 identifying “only speech belonging to the categories above as appropriate for removal” is hogwash. It’s a myth promoted by people who do not understand the law, or any of the jurisprudence in the last two and a half decades around the law.

More specifically, it’s misreading how the two key sections of 230, (c)(1) and (c)(2) work. (c)(1) is the key part of the Section 230, and it is “the 26 words.” It makes no mention of categories of content. It flat out says that a website cannot be held liable for 3rd party speech. Full stop. And courts have interpreted that (correctly according to the authors of the law) to mean that there is no liability at all that can be based on third party speech — including around removals of content or other moderation choices.

The categories come in in (c)(2) — which, notably, are not part of the 26 words. There are actually very few cases exploring (c)(2), because (c)(1) covers almost all of content moderation. But in the rare cases where courts actually do consider (c)(2), they make it clear that the list of items that are mentioned in (c)(2) should be considered broadly and with great discretion towards the right and ability of the website itself to make the determination of what content it wants to allow (or not allow) on its website, because otherwise it would nuke the entire purpose of Section 230 and implicate the 1st Amendment, leading to vexatious litigation over every editorial and moderation decision.

So, Smith, here, seems confused about how Section 230 works, how (c)(1) and (c)(2) work together, and how the list of content that sites can moderate is illustrative, and not comprehensive — and that it needs to be to avoid running afoul of the 1st Amendment.

Smith, however, is sure that the law wasn’t intended to allow websites to take down content he doesn’t like. He’s wrong. It was. He also seems to have been taken in by misleading stories pushed by bad faith actors pretending that the big social media sites are biased against conservatives. He lists out a bunch of out of context examples (I’m not going to go through them now, we’ve debunked them all in the past) without noting how each of those examples actually involved breaking rules the platforms set forth, and how there were examples of those same rules being applied to left-leaning content as well. All of that disproves his theory, but he’s pushing an agenda, not reality.

If the law had intended to bless the removal of any speech that platforms wish to take down, it would say so. It does not.

Except it does. First, it says a platform can’t be held liable for 3rd party content, and courts have correctly (according to the bill’s own authors) interpreted that to mean the removal of their content as well. And, even if you have to rely on (c)(2), the courts say to construe that broadly, and that includes the “otherwise objectionable” part, which courts have correctly said must be based on what the website itself deems objectionable, not some other standard. Because if it wasn’t based on the platform’s opinion of what’s objectionable, it would interfere with the website’s own 1st Amendment editorial rights.

Nevertheless, the platforms now argue that they can block anything they want, at any time, for any reason, and there is nothing any person or state can do about it.

Because that’s correct. Bizarrely, Smith then admits that websites do in fact have a 1st Amendment right to moderate as they see fit. This paragraph is the most confusing one in the piece:

When courts review a platform’s curation of content, they claim a publisher’s First Amendment rights. But when legislatures review their liability for user speech, they suddenly transform into mere conduits deserving of special immunity. However comfortable that arrangement may be for the platforms, it is likely intolerable to Washington.

Yes. Websites have a 1st Amendment right to moderate how they wish to. The Section 230 liability provisions work in concert with the 1st Amendment as a procedural benefit, because having to fully litigate the 1st Amendment issue is long and costly. Section 230’s entire main feature is to say “this is already decided. A website cannot be liable for its moderation decisions, since that would interfere with the 1st Amendment, so therefore, the websites are not liable, kick this lawsuit out of court now.”

Big Tech’s arguments are so extreme as to close the door on virtually any effort to combat its influence over our politics, or to secure fairer treatment for Americans online. If the only option left for Congress is to amend or repeal Section 230, the result could be disastrous for the companies — and dangerous for free speech.

Except… you just admitted that the 1st Amendment already protects these decisions. So why are you now saying that these arguments are “extreme” and put 230 at risk? Are Republican politicians mad that the 1st Amendment allows sites to remove their propaganda and misleading content? Sure. But at the same time, Democrats are mad that websites don’t remove enough of that stuff. So, the entire crux of this article being “stop removing so much content or Congress may remove 230” doesn’t make any sense, because Democrats keep threatening to remove 230 because sites aren’t taking down enough content. Both sides are wrong, but it doesn’t make Smith’s argument make any more sense. He seems to live in such a deep bubble that he doesn’t realize what’s going on. That’s kind of embarrassing for a guy who used to run the Federal Election Commission.

The debate in the courts often plays out by analogy, as the two sides argue over whether social media is more like a newspaper or phone company, parade organizer or shopping mall. The reality, of course, is that they are none of these things exactly. A middle-ground solution might be best for all in the end, but its prospects are rapidly fading. Big Tech can celebrate for now, but they may look back and rue the day.

I mean, there’s a reason why those analogies are used: because people are citing back to relevant cases about newspapers, phone companies, parades, and shopping malls. It’s not like it just came out of the blue. They’re citing precedent.

And, what exactly is the “middle ground” you’re suggesting here, because it sure sounds like you mean that the tech companies shouldn’t be free to exercise their 1st Amendment editorial rights. And that seems like a dumb position to take for “The Institute for Free Speech.”

After I complained about this article on Twitter, Smith responded to me claiming I had misread the article, and presenting a further clarification via a Twitter thread. It does not help.

He’s correct about the role of the 1st Amendment here, as we already noted above, but seems oblivious to the fact that this completely undermines his argument that social media sites cannot or should not moderate content that he personally thinks they should not moderate.

He complains about the “otherwise objectionable” bit claiming that it “renders the first six categories meaningless.” Except, it does not. Again, he’s already deep in the (c)(2) weeds here, ignoring the much more important (c)(1), but even if we accept his framing that (c)(2) is important, he leaves out an important part BEFORE the categories. I’ll put in bold here to help him:

any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected

It’s up to the provider to decide. That’s it. End of story. (Just for clarity’s sake, the “user” part is for moderation decisions made by end users, which 230 also protects — and it’s why 230 protects retweets, for example).

Section 230 is not saying that it only protects those things. It’s saying that the provider gets to decide.

Smith concludes his clarification… with an outright fabrication. Claiming that the big tech platforms “claim to be open to all.” That has never been the case. They all have terms of service and they all have rules. And that’s been true since the beginning.

And that final line is bizarre. If they have a 1st Amendment right to curate speech on your own platform (and they do), then the only way to make that right real is to get them out of lawsuits early. Which is what Section 230 does. It protects that right by making it procedurally possible to avoid having to go through a full 1st Amendment defense (which is involved and expensive).

Again, this is something you would think that the Institute for Free Speech would understand. And support.

Yet, the basic argument here is that by exercising their own free speech rights in a way that some people, including Brad Smith, don’t like, well, then Congress may seek to remove their rights. That strikes me as a counterproductive position for someone heading a free speech organization to take, but these days very little makes sense any more. Indeed, arguing that “if you don’t make editorial choices the government may like, the government may punish you” strikes me as a deeply ridiculous take for a “free speech” organization to take. It’s a kind of mafioso threat: “hey, big tech, if you don’t stop taking down the content I like, my friends in Congress may decide to punish you.” What a deeply cynical and ridiculous take for a free speech organization to make.

Of course, as I was finishing this piece, a friend pointed out to me, helpfully, that “The Institute for Free Speech” actually filed an amicus brief in support of Texas’s laughably unconstitutional anti-1st Amendment content moderation bill. So, as with so many of these organizations, the name appears to be the opposite of what they actually do. They’re just your garden variety anti-free speech, anti-1st Amendment authoritarians with a misleading name to cover up their authoritarian thuggish instincts.

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Naughty Autie says:

Until the politicians get it...

The key provision of Section 230, which has been dubbed the “the twenty-six words that created the internet” by cybersecurity law professor Jeff Kosseff, shields traditional publishers from liability for what others write in Letters to the Editor. Companies such as Twitter, by contrast, can be sued for what they encourage on their online platforms.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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Companies such as Twitter, by contrast, can be sued for what they encourage on their online platforms.

Twitter can be sued for that if Twitter actively encourages the posting of unlawful speech. That would constitute first-party speech/actions, which aren’t protected by Section 230 (but may still be protected by the First Amendment).

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Otherwording is about sharing a bad faith interpretation of someone’s point that puts words in their mouth in an attempt to win an argument in a shitty, underhanded manner. I didn’t do that⁠—I made a counterargument that, unbeknownst to me because of my incorrect parsing of a sentence, agreed with the sentence in question.

I don’t like it when people otherword me; I do my best to avoid doing it to others. Again: Either tear my throat out or GTFO because an itty-bitty bitchslap like yours ain’t gonna get the fuckin’ job done.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Having read some of your past comments, I now understand you either don’t know what otherwording looks like or you just don’t like being called out on it when you’ve accused others of doing it when they didn’t.

…an itty-bitty bitchslap like yours…

Every accusation a projection-filled confession.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:13

Says the dude slapfighting with some pissant dipshit with way too much time on his hands in a tech blog comments section.

Projection or just pure lying? I’m not sure.

I’ve got more issues than a GamePro archive…

We know, you inflict the result of them on others here every day.

…what’s your excuse?

Your behavior.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:11

Who would even want to fuck you–that’s a good question.

All the dogs have gone missing in your neighborhood, the kids don’t come outside anymore since you moved in, and your mom doesn’t call anymore–that last one seems suspicious, but I am not juddgemental about you “generation singlemoms,” because all those women are pedo’s.

ATEOD, its just you, Stone, and that set of facts. Try harder–but number four bothers me a bit, if only because it attempts to sound assertive, which is quite defiant of your usual schismogenetic “thrust”. And, it defies your usual derailing tactical approach to dialogues online.

Try harder girl!

To whit

It is at once apparent that many systems of relationship, either between individuals or groups of individuals, contain a tendency towards progressive change. If, for example, one of the patterns of cultural behaviour, considered appropriate in individual A, is culturally labelled as an assertive pattern, while B is expected to reply to this with what is culturally regarded as submission, it is likely that this submission will encourage a further assertion, and that this assertion will demand still further submission. We have thus a potentially progressive state of affairs, and unless other factors are present to restrain the excesses of assertive and submissive behaviour, A must necessarily become more and more assertive, while B will become more and more submissive; and this progressive change will occur whether A and B are separate individuals or members of complementary groups

Rocky says:

Re: Re: Re:11

What did you expect? It takes some kind of intelligence and spark to impersonate me, this dude only have some lame copy-pastas to substitute for their lack of original thought. I guess it’s all we can expect from someone who thinks “I’m rubber, you’re glue” is the height of trolling.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5

you either don’t know what otherwording looks like

As the person who first used the term “otherwording” on a regular basis in these comments sections, I’m well aware of what otherwording is. If I thought I’d done it, I’d say so. But nowhere in the post you’re saying is otherwording did I attribute anything I said to Autie. While I misinterpreted the sentence to which I replied, I responded in a way that was meant to correct what I thought at the time was a mistake. I don’t appreciate anyone shoving words down my throat that didn’t first come from it (which is why I asked Autie to stop doing “FTFY” replies to my posts a while back), and I do my best to avoid doing it to anyone trying to have a good faith discussion.

Now, are you gonna come for my throat, or are you gonna waste my time with more impotent accusations? Because I have the patience, the time, and, as I’ve demonstrated on this site before(…at length…multiple times…), the willingness to go as long as it takes to make my position absolutely clear.

Go for the kill or go home: Make your choice.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:7

When I said “a while back”, I didn’t mean “hours ago”⁠—I meant “weeks to months ago”. If I was referring to something in the more recent past, I would’ve reflected that in my post. Again: Go for the kill or go home, because this penny-ante bullshit ain’t doing nothing to help you or hurt me.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:10

It’s not me lying about people by deliberately misinterpreting what they say. As much as you try to put your offences on me, the charges just won’t stick unless the comments you lie about get removed. You’ve already got your pals to hide my truthful statements, so I can only ask others to read and copy them before you they come down altogether.

Toom1275 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:11

It’s not me lying about people by deliberately misinterpreting what they say

… says the only one here who lies about people misinterpreting what they say.

You’ve already got your pals to hide my truthful statements,

[Hallucinates truths that never existed]

so I can only ask others to read and copy them before you they come down altogether.

…msaid npbpdy literate who understands how the site works, ever.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:11

i saw the first comment, no thers are necessary: You either do not know what otherwording means, or you attempted to fly a bad faith redefinition in the vein of those who misuse logical fallacy labels in the hopes that it scores some sort of point, and no one notices tactic or actively ignores it.

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bhull242 (profile) says:

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I’m not Stephen’s “pal”, but the fact is that you either don’t know what “otherwording” actually means or are arguing in bad faith. At least Stephen owned up to his original misunderstanding, and he even did so almost immediately when corrected.

You didn’t. Instead, you insist on asserting that Stephen is being hypocritical about “otherwording” based on your misunderstanding of the meaning of that term even after he and several others pointed out your mistake and even after Stephen apologized and admitted his actual mistake. You have also engaged in ad hominem attacks on him. And now you’re claiming that you’re the real victim here.

That’s why you’re getting flagged. Stephen didn’t need me or anyone else to defend him or flag you. He can handle himself just fine. I decided to flag you because you were obviously, painfully wrong and continue to double, triple, and quadruple down on your mistake and add more problems on top of that to boot. I would’ve done the same thing if you did this to, say, Lostinlodos or even Phillips, and I am hardly friends of theirs.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Indeed, arguing that “if you don’t make editorial choices the government may like, the government may punish you” strikes me as a deeply ridiculous take for a “free speech” organization to take. It’s a kind of mafioso threat: “hey, big tech, if you don’t stop taking down the content I like, my friends in Congress may decide to punish you.”

How very Trumpian of them.

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David says:

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“hey, big tech, if you don’t stop taking down the content I like, my friends in Congress may decide to punish you.” 

How very Trumpian of them.

The greatest gratification for the powerless is to fantasize about being a bully. The appeal of Trumpism in a nutshell.

With actual power comes actual responsibility. So people are fine with actually being bullshitted about being in power.

It’s actually a rather thin line between a representative democracy and Trumpism. And the more the living circumstances between representatives and and electorate differ, the thinner the line becomes.

discussitlive (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Without responsibility, the powerful would not need legal departments.

I had not noted any particularly obvious signs that those with power are acting responsibly in quite a few decades.
Having a legal department, in my corporate experience, is a team to tell you how to do whatever it is you want to do with as little responsibility as can be arranged, either by statue or public relations (another team), or funding political campaigns (yet another team).

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Anonymous Coward says:

Traditional publishers such as newspapers, by contrast, can be sued for what they allow in their pages.

Bringing up ‘traditional papers’ in the context of any 1A or 230 discussion seems like a big fucking mistake.

Because with the many different ‘papers’ I’ve read over my lifetime, I never saw one that felt obligated to print anything any random idiot demanded them to print, including opinion pieces that would be your typical ‘being an asshole on social media’ in today’s world.

The only thing that’s changed is how mainstream ‘being an asshole’ has become.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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with the many different ‘papers’ I’ve read over my lifetime, I never saw one that felt obligated to print anything any random idiot demanded them to print

That’s the whole point of bringing up newspapers in this discussion: The same editorial protections they receive in meatspace are the protections given to interactive media services in cyberspace by way of Section 230 (and the First Amendment). Someone who thinks Twitter shouldn’t have the right to refuse hosting/publishing certain kinds of third-party speech has to explain why newspapers deserve that right but Twitter doesn’t. Chances are good that they’ll trip over their own clown shoes in the process.

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ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: AC Can't Follow Simple Logic

A racist bigot like AC has too little brainpower to follow a simple stream of logic.

A traditional print newspaper is neither a distributor nor common carrier.

A letter to the editor is mailed to the letters editor, who decides whether to publish it.

A social medium platform is a distributor, a common carrier, and a public accommodation for entertainment and for exhibition. To escape obligations, which are associated with these three services, a social medium platform must hew a closely as possible to the “Letters to the Editor” model.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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A racist bigot like AC has too little brainpower to follow a simple stream of logic.

Interesting observation.

A social medium platform is a distributor, a common carrier, and a public accommodation for entertainment and for exhibition.

I’ll leave this here…

The court responds: “the defendants’ social media platforms are not places of ‘public accommodation.’ The statutory definition of a ‘public accommodation’ cannot be interpreted to include a virtual meeting place.”

The court responds simply: “The defendants are not common carriers of ‘merchandise or other property’ for purposes of this 1869 law.”

Reminder: dozens of online account termination and content removal lawsuits have failed. Add this one to the list.

Source: https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2021/10/anti-zionist-loses-lawsuit-over-social-media-account-suspensions-martillo-v-facebook.htm

BONUS! – there’s a Selected Related Posts About State Action Claims set of links at the end that shows other idiots like you also failing miserably.

Tell allah you strongly object, and that he should get off his non-existent ass and do something. Or you could humbly ask the jewish god. The net effect of either is the same.

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ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Goldman Rightly Opines that Jawboning Does Not Create a State Actor

Neither the Plaintiffs nor Goldman show any awareness of Burton, which is the controlling precedent that qualifies a social medium platform to be a state actor.

I highlight the critical text.

“The defendants are not common carriers of ‘merchandise or other property’ for purposes of this 1869 law.”

By 1869 Massachusetts caselaw had already long established that digital transmission message common carriage carried digital personal literary property, which constitutes other property of the MGL statute. Judge Stearns does knows neither this technological nor legal history. We studied this history in detail at the Bell Labs legal department. Judge Stearns cited Am. Tel. & Tel. Co. v. IMR Cap. Corp., 888 F. Supp. 221 (D. Mass. 1995), which is an irrelevant voice precedent.

I explained in my filings that Plaintiff Noah of Noah v. AOL Time Warner, Inc., 261 F. Supp. 2d 532, 541-42 (E.D. Va.) in effect confused the movie with the movie theater while the District Court in Lewis v. Google LLC, 461 F. Supp. 3d 938 (N.D. Cal. 2020) misstated 42 U.S. Code § 2000a and in effect confused the audience with the movie theater when it cited Clegg v. Cult Awareness Network, 18 F.3d 752, 756 (9th Cir. 1994), which is an irrelevant precedent.

I don’t really blame the District Courts for the nonsense they produced. Both pro se Plaintiff Noah and also Plaintiff Lewis (as well as his counsel) were all clowns, who had no understanding of the technology. Neither District Court decision has much precedential value as I pointed out to the Court of Appeals when I explained the technology.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3 Brain-Dead Anonymous Clown (BD AC) Does Not Know How the US Legal System Works

I file a complaint against a named defendant in one district court. Another district court’s dismissal of a complaint from a plaintiff, who had no clue about a proper argument for state action doctrine, has no relevance to my case whatsoever.

The Court of Appeals for the First Circuit has never ruled whether a social medium platform is a state actor, and I have not argued this issue yet because it was premature to make this argument.

[So far I have argued only that the Internet is state-supported because mere state-support makes Title II of the 1964 CRA apply, and mere state-support is a lower bar to leap than the requirements of state action doctrine.]

McMahon decided strategically that we should argue public accommodation discrimination, civil rights (contractual) discrimination, and common carriage discrimination.

If the Court of Appeals finds merit in my case, it can order a district court trial over which a three judge panel presides. A judge from the Court of Appeals, a senior Supreme Court Justice, or a Circuit Justice can join the panel.

On remand I and my counsel will amend the Original Complaint into an Amended Class Action Complaint, which includes charges of First Amendment violation on the basis of state action doctrine and a charge of distributor group libel.

I will add a charge of publisher group libel because I have a killer legal argument to demonstrate

  1. that a 2022 social medium platform is not in any way, shape, or form a 1996 ICS and
  2. that a 2022 social medium platform is legally a publisher.

After a trial of 6-9 months, the plaintiff classes will prevail over the social medium platform defendant class. The social medium platform defendant class will appeal directly to SCOTUS (a procedure associated with a three judge district court panel). There is no need to petition for a writ of certiorari. While SCOTUS grants cert at its discretion, appeal is a right.

Within a year every social medium platform within the defendant class will be toast, and freedom of speech will reign on the Internet.

How will we make the correct State Action Doctrine argument?

Pasadena Republican Club v. W. Justice Ctr., 985 F.3d 1161 (9th Cir. 2021) provides a road map for applying Burton.

“To apply the ruling in Burton, the private party’s conduct of which the plaintiff complains must be inextricably intertwined with that of the government.” Pasadena Republican Club v. W. Justice Ctr., 985 F.3d 1161, 1164 (9th Cir. 2021)

I have worked with Arpanet/Internet technology and governance for ~50 years. I know exactly how the US federal government is inextricably intertwined with Internet funding, management, and governance and thus with social medium platform action even after the alleged privatization.

[AT&T and Comcast have evaded this pitfall because each company made sure to own its network completely.]

The Internet does not belong to any one social medium platform, but to many corporations, to many private organizations, and to many private individuals. Within the Internet, a social medium platform has no right with respect to offered public services to abridge First Amendment-licit speech of any.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4 [Typo] I left out a word

The Internet does not belong to any one social medium platform, but to many corporations, to many private organizations, and to many private individuals. Within the Internet, a social medium platform has no right with respect to offered public services to abridge First Amendment-licit speech of any USER.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

If a social medium platform is a distributor, a common carrier, and a public accommodation for entertainment and for exhibition, then so is a traditional print newspaper that has an online presence (like the New York Times and the Washington Post). And if a traditional print newspaper with an online presence isn’t a common carrier, then neither is a social medium platform. It goes both ways, ignorant fool.

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ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: The Caselaw Already Takes into Account a Quasi-Common Carrier

A Quasi-Common Carrier offers a service that is not common carriage and a service that is common carriage.

Two of the Defendants in Martillo v. Twitter are the Stanford Daily and the Harvard Crimson.

Both entities provide common carriage and a place of public accommodation for entertainment and for exhibition under the CRA of 1964.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

A limousine service also can’t refuse to carry a customer just because they’re black, and that still doesn’t make the service a common carrier. Will you please stop dredging up legislation unrelated to your case for the love of all that is holy? You’re only making yourself look even more foolish. (-_Q)

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3 AC Shows Complete Absence of Understanding of Common Carriage

If a limousine company does not hold out carriage to the public for a fee under uniform terms, it can escape its common carriage obligation, but the vast majority of limousine companies do not escape common carriage obligation.

AC babbles much but has no legal understanding whatsoever.

The 2016 FOH (used by federal courts in interpreting the FLSA’s taxicab exemption in order to achieve a “uniform definition” well-suited to “the purposes of a federal labor law,” Cariani, 363 F. Supp. 2d at 645) defines the “[b]usiness of operating taxicabs” as follows:

The taxicab business consists normally of common carrier transportation in small motor vehicles of persons and such property as they may carry with them to any requested destination in the community. The business operates without fixed routes or contracts for recurrent transportation. It serves the miscellaneous and predominantly local transportation needs of the community. It may include such occasional and unscheduled trips to or from transportation terminals as the individual passengers may request, and may include stands at the transportation terminals as well as at other places where numerous demands for taxicab transportation may be expected.

FOH, Ch. 24(h)(01). Based on this definition, the Cariani court concluded that DLC Limousine is in the business of operating taxicabs. 363 F. Supp. 2d at 645.

Munoz-Gonzalez v. D.L.C. Limousine Serv., Inc., 15-CV-9368 (JPO), 6 (S.D.N.Y. Jul. 12, 2017).

AC is the poster nitwit for the quotation discussed below.

On the origin of the quote “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt,” which has been wrongly attributed to both to Abraham Lincoln and Mark Twain.

The earliest evidence that I was able to find was a 1907 book by Maurice Switzer. And it seems to contain a lot of original material and it includes the statement “It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it.” So it’s slightly different phrasing, but I believe that is what evolved to generate the modern common version.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5 Brain-Dead Anonymous Clown (BD AC) Continues to Show His Utter Legal Ignorance

Common carriage classification and obligation pertain to a service and not to a company.

The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court clarifies this issue in Mt. Tom Motor Line, Inc. v. McKesson Robbins, Inc., 325 Mass. 45 (Mass. 1949).

The distinction between a common carrier and a private or contract carrier has been frequently stated. Houle v. Lewonis, 245 Mass. 254. Haddad v. Griffin, 247 Mass. 369. Dion v. Drapeau, 254 Mass. 186. Commonwealth v. Boston Maine Transportation Co. 282 Mass. 345, 349. A common carrier is one who holds himself out as furnishing transportation to any and all members of the public who desire such service in so far as his facilities enable him to perform the service, while a contract carrier does not furnish transportation indiscriminately but furnishes it only to those with whom he sees fit to contract. Paine Furniture Co. v. Acme Transfer Storage Co. 290 Mass. 195. United States v. California, 297 U.S. 175. Steele v. General Mills, Inc. 329 U.S. 433. Ace-High Dresses, Inc. v. J.C. Trucking Co. Inc. 122 Conn. 578. Trudeau v. Pacific States Box Basket Co. 20 Wn.2d 561. This difference is recognized in § 2 of G.L. (Ter. Ed.) c. 159B, as appearing in St. 1938, c. 483, § 1, as amended, the chapter regulating the transportation for hire of goods by motor vehicles. A carrier may be a common carrier as to one part of its business and a special or contract carrier in another part. Terminal Taxicab Co. Inc. v. Public Utilities Commission of the District of Columbia,241 U.S. 252. Commonwealth v. Boston Maine Transportation Co. 282 Mass. 345, 349. Rugg v. Davis, 320 Mass. 388, 391. A carrier may be issued a certificate to conduct the business of a common carrier and also a permit to engage in the business of a special or contract carrier. G.L. (Ter. Ed.) c. 159B, § 8.

BernardoVerda (profile) says:

Re:

Yeah, it’s weird.

After all, every word that appeared in a traditional newspaper was under the direct control of that newspaper. Every item appearing on some page or other was there because the paper chose to print it. (Yes, advertisements too.). Most likely, someone working for the paper produced that content, and always, someone at the paper (generally an editor) had to personally approve the appearance of every word and picture, regardless of who created them.

From the Front Page headline, to the individual articles (often written by employees), to the editorial (written by editors and/or owners), to the “Letters to the Editor” section (submitted by readers), to the smallest classified ad in the depths of the back pages, and every word in between, at least one person had to officially approve its appearance (and likely the size of the type and the actual placement on some chosen page of the paper) at least one person at the paper was actually, explicitly responsible for the decision to allow those particular words to appear on the printed page and be presented to the readership — before that day’s paper even hit the presses.

Therefore, the paper was legally responsible for their own speech, but not for other people’s speech they were merely reporting, as a service to their readers. And certainly not for speech they declined to transmit to their readers. (In fact, I seem to recall the odd story about individuals who tried — unsuccessfully of course — to sue one paper or another for not publishing their own letters to the Editor.)

On social media, none of this applies — for example, neither Mike Masnic nor anyone at Techdirt wrote, reviewed, or are responsible for this comment — no-one even laid eyes on my screed before it crossed the data stream to reach the readership’s eyes, let alone decided whether it might or might not appear at all.

Social media simply do not (and in practice quite simply cannot) exercise the traditional newspaper’s strict control over the content appearing on their platform, so it’s rather senseless and quite unfair to hold such social media to a higher standard than those applied to traditional papers.

Hence the (in)famous section 230, which essentially just made explicit in law, that such sites will not be held to a higher standard, are in fact entitled to the same protections as “traditional” media, and that the attempts they make to at least try to apply some standard, would not somehow count against them.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: A 1996 ICS was an Internet On-Ramp -- A 2022 Social Medium Platform is not an ICS

Originally AOL, Prodigy, and CompuServe each operated its own private network for which it was responsible and could be held liable. When each service company became an Internet On-Ramp, Congress enacted Section 230 to clarify that each company in its role of an Internet On-Ramp had neither liability nor responsibility for the totality content that it delivered to a user via message common carriage.

A 2022 social medium platform, which is not a 1996 ICS, is wholly within the Internet and becomes a state actor. A 2022 social medium platform provides a place of public accommodation for exhibition and for entertainment. In addition, a 2022 social medium platform holds out message common carriage of digital personal literary property to the public.

A 2022 social medium platform, which applies active curation or active moderation, must be charged civilly with

  1. First Amendment violation,
  2. public accommodation discrimination,
  3. common carriage discrimination,
  4. civil rights discrimination,
  5. publisher group libel, and
  6. distributor group libel

in order to punish every major social medium platform for its violations and for its torts.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Their problem isn't 230, it's the first amendment

As always when someone breaks out the ‘230 is terrible because it allows platforms to moderate as they wish’ line it’s worthwhile to point out, again, that 230 isn’t what enables that, the first amendment does, all 230 does is make it so platforms can afford to exercise their first amendment right as it relates to third party speech on their property.

A right you can’t afford to exercise is a right you effectively don’t have, so ultimately those arguing against 230 are in fact arguing against the first amendment by trying to make it too expensive for online platforms to exercise that right.

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Anonymous Coward says:

He also seems to have been taken in by misleading stories pushed by bad faith actors pretending that the big social media sites are biased against conservatives.

“learn to code” “men are not women” “women feel uncomfortable seeing a penis” “masks aren’t effective” “question the science” “NY Post story on Hunter Biden’s laptop just before the election” “10% for the big guy”

You’re Twitter account has been suspended for hate speech.

Yet, terrorists, pedophiles, and death threats aimed at conservatives run rampant on the service. Report them and you’ll get a “doesn’t violate our terms of service” retort.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

The fact that Twitter has bent over backwards to appease conservative lawmakers and pundits disagrees with whatever point you were trying to make. To wit: Before his suspension, Trump’s tweets violated Twitter rules⁠—a fact that an account designed to mirror his tweets proved when the account was suspended multiple times⁠—but Twitter didn’t suspend him until after the 6th of January 2021.

Facts don’t care about your feelings, snowflake.

Mike Masnick (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

That comment does not disagree with me. Who said that all moderation was “neutral?” That’s an impossible standard. It’s not neutral. It’s biased against assholes, dangerous misinformation, spam, etc.

Your bad faith attempt to twist it, again, supports my point. Only idiots or bad faith trolls think those stories show anti-conservative bias. Which are you?

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ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Most Social Medium Platform Bias is Not Directed Against Conservatives

While conservatives and theists have a grievance, a social medium platform directs most of its bias against Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, non-whites, and those of non-European ancestry.

With respect to Palestinians, social medium platform bias meets the bar of civil and of criminal group libel. For this reason Martillo v. Twitter will eventually bankrupt every criminally libellous social medium platform once my wife and every Palestinian joins the Martillo v. Twitter Refiled or Amended Class Action Complaint.

See Beauharnais v. Illinois, 343 U.S. 250 (1952).

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ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Standard Response of a White Racist Bigot Without Rational Response

Stephen T. Stone screeches:

Please seek professional help for your current delusional state.

Stone writes like a typical supporter of white racial supremacist European Zionist genocide against Palestinians like my wife and her family, who are non-white non-European Arab Muslims.

It is hard to be more depraved and more evil than a Zionist anti-Jew.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

Stephen T. Stone screeches:

Interesting that you, of all people, should make that claim.

Please seek professional help for your current delusional state.

Stone writes like a typical supporter of white racial supremacist European Zionist genocide against Palestinians like my wife and her family, who are non-white non-European Arab Muslims.

[Projects facts not in evidence]

It is hard to be more depraved and more evil than a Zionist anti-Jew.

You should know, I guess.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

It is hard to be more depraved and more evil than a Zionist anti-Jew.

Dude, have you ever stopped for just a moment and thought…

“Hey, maybe I am the fucking racist in this discussion”

I mean seriously, I can see exactly why Twitter gave you the boot, your just a typical low-grade racist fucking asshole!

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ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6 Zionism is an Ideology of Replacement Genocide

Anyone with half a brain understands that genocide is something bad.

Only a white racist or an ignoramus supports the Zionist state.

The mere existence of the Zionist state vitiates the international anti-genocide legal regime and undermines international law.

Americans often confuse genocide with mass murder and believe incorrectly that Holocaust-like systematic assembly-line murder is required for genocide. If kings still ruled in Europe and if the King of France decreed that all Jews in France must convert to Christianity or leave, the King of France would have committed the crime of genocide of the French Jewish religious group

  • even if no one died on account of the King’s decree and
  • even if 70 years later the size of the population of French Jewish exiles was larger than the size of the French Jewish population at the time of the decree

because the King of France exterminated or physically destroyed the Jewish religious group within the territory of France.

White racists work to suppress any discussion of the truth on a social medium platform.

Depraved and evil white racial supremacist Zionist anti-Jews along with their perverted bigoted white racist supporters try to create a hegemonic online discourse to indoctrinate the public

  1. that Palestinians are just Arabs that wandered into Palestine over the last 100 years of so,
  2. that the fairy tale or mythical national or historical rights of recently constructed pan-Judaic ethnonationality are superior to the human and property rights of Palestinians, whose ancestors actually practiced Biblical Judaism in Palestine, and
  3. that a Palestinian is a subhuman place-holder, who must yield his place and vanish when a superior Zionist true human shows up to claim the place.
ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6 Toom1275 -- the Perverted White Racist Genocide-Supporter.

It is completely incontrovertible that Zionism is an evil ideology of replacement genocide. Every Zionist anti-Jew and every supporter of Zionist colonial settler anti-Jews at least aids and abets genocide and is an enemy of the human race.

A depraved racist like Toom1275 differs in no way from a white racist supporter of Nazism during the 1930s.

Israeli historian Benny Morris provides excerpts from three letters written in 1882 by Zionist colonial settler anti-Jews in Palestine (really genocidal invaders).

“There are now only five hundred [thousand] Arabs, who are not very strong, and from whom we shall easily take away the country if only we do it through stratagems [and] without drawing upon us their hostility before we become the strong and populous ones.”

“The Jews will yet arise and, arms in hand (if need be), declare that they are the masters of their ancient homeland.”

“The thing we must do now is to become as strong as we can, to conquer the country, covertly, bit by bit …. we shall act like silent spies, we shall buy, buy, buy.”

[Benny Morris, “Righteous Victims, a history of the Zionist-Arab Conflict, 1881-2001”, 2nd Edition p. 49.]

Depraved evil white racial supremacist European Zionist anti-Jews always intended dispossession and genocide of the native Palestinian population as well as theft of its homeland.

In January 1919 at the Paris Peace Conference, Weizmann explicitly stated the genocidal goal of Zionism by asserting that “the Zionist objective was gradually to make Palestine as Jewish as England was English”.

In Dec 1946 in the aftermath of the 1946 Nuremberg Tribunal, the international community banned genocide and made anti-genocide jus cogens.

Depraved and evil white racial supremacist Zionist colonial settler anti-Jews started the long planned genocide of Palestinians in Dec 1947. Until Palestinians return to their homes, villages, property, and country, the genocide that started in Dec 1947 continues to this day, and every depraved evil Zionist anti-Jew on the planet must be arrested

  1. to be tried for genocide,
  2. almost certainly to be convicted, and
  3. to be sentenced to a long prison term or to a short visit on the gallows.

White racist genocide-supporting social medium platforms suppress discussion of the genocide, apartheid, and persecution that the criminal genocidal Zionist state perpetrates.

Suppression of discussion of Zionist genocide is material support of genocide. Material support of genocide is a US federal crime. Every social medium platform must be seized and placed under control of a US federal trustee while it is determined which members of top management must be tried for US federal crimes.

Anonymous Attorney says:

Re: Re: Re:10

Your entire comment consisted of this one sentence:

You just said the exact same thing I did.

That indicates you agree with every word that was said, including the following:

A depraved racist like Toom1275 differs in no way from a white racist supporter of Nazism during the 1930s.

When you don’t see something glaring like that and an AC does, that lends substantial weight to their charges against you of hypocrisy, because of your clearly false accusations of illiteracy.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:12 Toom1275 is a White Racial Supremacist Zionist POS

When Zionists make their ridiculous and false claim of Rabbinic Jewish indigenousness, they imply that Palestinians are not indigenous and therefore illegitimate in Palestine.

Delegitimizing Palestinians is a method to legitimize and to normalize genocide of Palestinians.

Zionist delegitimization of Palestinians is exactly congruent to Nazi delegitimization of Jews.

With respect to Jews, the Nazi period can be divided into two phases:

  • the genocide phase,
  1. during which the Nazi government attempted to induce Jews to leave German controlled regions “voluntarily” and
  2. which took place from January 1933 until the start of the Holocaust in 1941; and
  • the mass-murder phase from the start of the Holocaust in 1941 until the defeat of Germany in 1945.

As soon as the Nazis took power in Germany in January 1933, they put a tremendous amount of effort into delegitimizing Jews in Germany (and in any territories coming under German rule). This effort was meant to legitimize and normalize genocide of Jews. While Nazi genocide during the 30s was like Zionist genocide of Palestinians today mostly confined to making conditions of life so miserable for the victims targeted for genocide that said targeted victims would “voluntarily” leave their homeland, Nazi genocide of Jews culminated in the Holocaust. It is reasonable to extrapolate that ongoing genocide of Palestinians will culminate in mass murder of Palestinians.

Despite the working definition of antisemitism, the mentality, methods, and goals of Zionists are completely congruent with those of Nazis during the genocide period of the Nazi regime.

Supporting Zionism and the Zionist state today differs in no way from supporting Nazism and the Nazi state during the 1930s.

Naughty Autie says:

Re: Re: Re:7

By definition, Zionists support the establishment and (nowadays) maintenance of a Jewish nation so Jews always have a place to flee should another individual like Hitler come into power anywhere. So by being anti-Zionist, you’re also anti-Jew. Going to sue Techdirt as a ‘common carrier’ because I posted that ‘racist’ truth?

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8 Tech Dirt like the Harvard Crimson or the Stanford is an Obvious Message Common Carrier

I have seen no obvious Tech Dirt violation of Massachusetts common carriage law.

I am a Jew. A Zionist is a depraved and evil anti-Jew, who is liable to execution of a death sentence under Jewish law for inexcusable and outrageous blasphemy.

I am Jewish because my parents are Jewish, and I was raised religious. Even though my parents disdained Zionism, Zionists, and the Zionist state, I tried to be a liberal Zionist because my extended family was so important in the Zionist movement.

The idea of a Jewish ethnonationality is BS meant to legitimize and to normalize Zionist genocide of Palestinians.

Both my father and also my mother came from scholarly and intellectual Rabbinic Jewish families. Yet my father, who is Ukrainian Ashkenazi Jewish, and my mother, who is a N. African Jewish Berber, have nothing in common ethnically but the religion, and that commonality is questionable.

Rabbinic Judaism in Volhynia was for the most part effectively a sect of Roman Catholicism while Berber Judaism differed little from Berber Islam.

I had an epiphany when Baruch Goldstein spree-murdered worshipers at the Mosque of Abraham in Hebron/el-Khalil.

I realized:

  1. that Baruch Goldstein represents the logical culmination of Zionism and
  2. that Zionism, the Zionist movement, and the Zionist state had murdered Rabbinic Judaism by transforming Rabbinic Judaism into a
    program of genocide.

My religious belief died. Ever since I have dedicated myself

  1. to the abolition of the Zionist state and
  2. to putting every Zionist under US jurisdiction
  • into federal prison or
  • on the gallows

for perpetration of the US federal crime of genocide or for perpetration of the US federal crime of providing material support to terrorists.

The following comment from Naughty Autie is standard Zionist propaganda in support of genocide.

By definition, Zionists support the establishment and (nowadays) maintenance of a Jewish nation so Jews always have a place to flee should another individual like Hitler come into power anywhere. So by being anti-Zionist, you’re also anti-Jew. Going to sue Techdirt as a ‘common carrier’ because I posted that ‘racist’ truth?

Because Tech Dirt is a message common carrier of digital personal literary property, Naughty Autie is mass-distributing Zionist propaganda in support of genocide to end-users throughout the Internet. The US federal criminal code explicitly defines genocide to be a form of terrorism. Naughty Autie’s comment can be construed to be a legal admission of material support to terrorists.

Naughty Aughty should be tried, convicted, and sentenced to US federal prison for at least 10 years for violation of 18 U.S. Code § 2339A – Providing material support to terrorists. The US government should seize everything Naughty Aughty owns.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:10 How Do We Know a Zionist Propagandist Like Toom1275 Lies?

Here is the statute, of which Naughty Autie has probably perpetrated a criminal violation.

18 U.S. Code § 2339A – Providing material support to terrorists

(a) Offense.—

Whoever provides material support or resources or conceals or disguises the nature, location, source, or ownership of material support or resources, knowing or intending that they are to be used in preparation for, or in carrying out, a violation of section 32, 37, 81, 175, 229, 351, 831, 842(m) or (n), 844(f) or (i), 930(c), 956, 1091, 1114, 1116, 1203, 1361, 1362, 1363, 1366, 1751, 1992, 2155, 2156, 2280, 2281, 2332, 2332a, 2332b, 2332f, 2340A, or 2442 of this title, section 236 of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 (42 U.S.C. 2284), section 46502 or 60123(b) of title 49, or any offense listed in section 2332b(g)(5)(B) (except for sections 2339A and 2339B) or in preparation for, or in carrying out, the concealment of an escape from the commission of any such violation, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both, and, if the death of any person results, shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life. A violation of this section may be prosecuted in any Federal judicial district in which the underlying offense was committed, or in any other Federal judicial district as provided by law.

(b) Definitions. — As used in this section —

(1) the term “material support or resources” means any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (1 or more individuals who may be or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials;
(2) the term “training” means instruction or teaching designed to impart a specific skill, as opposed to general knowledge; and
(3) the term “expert advice or assistance” means advice or assistance derived from scientific, technical or other specialized knowledge.

Propagandizing, aiding, and abetting Zionist genocide, which is directed against Palestinians, is probably more enough in terms of criminal acts to get Naughty Autie 10 years in federal prison and to justify seizure of all his assets.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5

You are always the only one in these discussions to bring up race, ethnicity, or religion. Not everything bad said about, said to, or done to you is a result of persecution or bias for or against any race, ethnicity, religion, or even political position. Twitter is not biased against your wife or her family. Stephen is not biased against them, either.

This is only different from the Christian persecution complex in that some actual examples of persecution against non-whites, non-Europeans, Arabs, Muslims, and Palestinians actually exist and some of those categories are not in the majority and not in power in many places where persecution is complained of, but—if this is anything to go by—you’re not much better than them when it comes to identifying actual bigotry and persecution.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6 Half of the Martillo v. Twitter Original Complaint is Directed Toward the Public Accommodation Discrimination that white racial supremacist Zionist Anti-Jews Organize Against Palestinians and Jews

Of course, I have to talk about race and ethnicity. Like a true white racist bhull242 screeches, “How dare you bring up race and ethnicity?”

Olivia and I have compiled hundreds of pages of statistics that shows Twitter discriminates against Palestinians and Jews because of pressure by white racial supremacist Zionist genocide-supporting anti-Jews.

Our statistics are supported by dozens of organizations with which we have no connection whatsoever.

Try this link.

How do we know that a depraved evil white racial supremacist Zionist anti-Jew like bhull242 is lying?

Check for breathing.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

While conservatives and theists have a grievance, […]

Theist here! I have no grievances whatsoever on that front, and I have yet to see evidence of any with legitimate grievances.

[…] a social medium platform directs most of its bias against Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, non-whites, and those of non-European ancestry.

I have yet to see any evidence of any of that. You have provided no data (as opposed to anecdotes) that would even suggest that that’s the case. [citation needed]

With respect to Palestinians, social medium platform bias meets the bar of civil and of criminal group libel.

That is not a thing, at least not in the US. There is almost no criminal defamation law in the US at all, even, only being present in a select few states for use in very limited circumstances, of which discrimination against people in or from Palestine is not one, and, even then, such laws are enforced extremely rarely if at all. And even for civil defamation, the only thing like group defamation is for defamation of a corporation or organization, not for an ethnic group or nationality. As far as I can tell, there is no such thing as “group libel” in the US, at least not in any way like you seem to mean it.

Haven’t you claimed to be a lawyer in the US? Shouldn’t you already know that these things don’t actually exist here? I’m not even an expert in law, and even I know this is nonsensical. Such a thing would essentially be considered an anti-hate speech law, and that simply doesn’t exist in the US.

For this reason Martillo v. Twitter will eventually bankrupt every criminally libellous social medium platform once my wife and every Palestinian joins the Martillo v. Twitter Refiled or Amended Class Action Complaint.

Even if I grant that Martillo v. Twitter has any merit whatsoever (which I don’t think it does), and even if I additionally grant that it will bankrupt Twitter (which I don’t think it will), and even if I further grant that this will lead to literally any other social media platform being bankrupted, it won’t be because Twitter or any other social media platform is engaged in any sort of civil or criminal “group libel” like you claim because, even assuming your allegations are true, that wouldn’t amount to any kind of defamation whatsoever under any U.S. law, as I pointed out above. Even if Twitter is violating some sort of anti-discrimination law (which I highly doubt, but it’s at least a heck of a lot more plausible under your allegations), that wouldn’t be libel. At all.

Again, as a lawyer, you should already know all of this.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5

I’m sorry you’re incapable of diagnosing someone who actually has autism online. I’m also sorry that you can apparently hallucinate evidence that someone is not autistic. And I’m sorry that you didn’t look very hard.

As for being a theist, I’ve mentioned my religious beliefs far more often than I have my autism (especially here) simply because the topic of religion comes up a heck of a lot more.

Additionally, since we’re talking about my own mental state and beliefs here, the only evidence I have to provide is my say-so, so you have the burden of proof if you claim to have evidence to the contrary.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4 The US Zionist Move is in denial of the obvious trend

Hatred, scorn, and loathing of the Zionist state has entered the exponential growth phase throughout the world.

Even in white racist states like those of N. America and Europe support for Zionism and for the Zionist state is crumbling.

M.G.L.A. 272 § 98C

Whoever publishes any false written or printed material with intent to maliciously promote hatred of any group of persons in the commonwealth because of race, color or religion shall be guilty of libel and shall be punished by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars or by imprisonment for not more than one year, or both. The defendant may prove in defense that the publication was privileged or was not malicious. Prosecutions under this section shall be instituted only by the attorney general or by the district attorney for the district in which the alleged libel was published.

28 U.S. Code § 1350 – Alien’s action for tort

The district courts shall have original jurisdiction of any civil action by an alien for a tort only, committed in violation of the law of nations or a treaty of the United States.

International Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Article 1

The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.

Article 2

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about
its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Article 3

The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d ) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.

See Beauharnais v. Illinois, 343 U.S. 250 (1952).

The SCOTUS tea leaves are really clear. Libel law is about to come back in a big way, and New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254, 84 S. Ct. 710 (1964) is poised to bite the dust just as Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113, 93 S. Ct. 705 (1973) did.

While subsequent SCOTUS caselaw may seem to overrule Beauharnais, Justice Thomas has suggested that SCOTUS should revisit its libel caselaw. See Coral Ridge Ministries Media, Inc. v. S. Poverty Law Ctr., No. 21-802 (U.S. Jun. 27, 2022), McKee v. Cosby, 139 S. Ct. 675, 203 L. Ed. 2d 247 (2019), and *Berisha v. Lawson(, 141 S. Ct. 2424 (2021). Justice Gorsuch also dissented from denial of certiorari in the last case.

Anonymous Coward says:

The question now is: What happens when Big Tech decides it doesn’t want to let everyone speak freely?

So, What happens when Google finally decides to play the same game the Kochs, agribusiness, Rupert Murdoch and other “conservative businessmen” actually play?

ie, bribe or outright buy politicians and decide policy?

So you want link taxes and far, far worse, NeoNazi rhetoric and propaganda in your newsfeeds sponsored by Fox News, and generally having your information controlled and your data surveiled, sold to the highest bidder and then you get arrested because Some Koch bastard threw a hissyfit and the only way to appease the bastard is to arrest a whole bunch of people who so much as WALKED in that bastard’s general direction?

Link tax’s already been done in Australia. The rest will probably come sooner or later, if you want Google and Big Tech to actually play the same game the Kochs et al already do.

(No doubt Google already does this in some capacity, but let’s say Google actually starts doing that in earnest.)

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

The question now is: What happens when Big Tech decides it doesn’t want to let everyone speak freely?

That will only happen if Big Tech can control every blog and individual web site, in which case sneaker net comes to the fore. Given the capacity of SD cards, a FidoNet derivative can be implemented using any means of exchanging SD cards.

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ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

State Action Doctrine Means a Social Medium Platform Cannot Violate 1st, 5th, or 14th Amendment Rights of a User

The Internet is a vast state-created and state-supported facility, establishment, or structure.

The social medium platform service of every social medium platform is wholly within the Internet.

By Burton v. Wilmington Pkg. Auth, 365 U.S. 715, 81 S. Ct. 856 (1961), every social medium platform is a state actor.

The precedents of

  1. Bolling v. Sharpe, 347 U.S. 497 (1954),
  2. Brown v. Board of Education, 347 U.S. 483, 74 S. Ct. 686 (1954), and
  3. Brown v. Board of Education, 349 U.S. 294, 75 S. Ct. 753 (1955)

apply to a state actor.

47 U.S. Code § 230 is being interpreted unconstitutionally. If § 230 were interpreted according to the text and according to the rules of logic, § 230 only establishes that a 1996 ICS is not a publisher. A 1996 ICS is a distributor and should have full distributor liability. By the plain meaning of the text of § 230, a 2022 Social Medium Platform is not a 1996 ICS. Every major social medium platform has at least distributor liability, commits group libel, and will lose judgments in the 10s to 100s of trillions of dollars range.

Martillo v. Twitter rewritten into the form of a class action litigation will establish the above assertions and provide the legal basis to bankrupt every major social medium platform despite the deluded hopes and dreams of bigoted pro-discrimination white racists.

In the past, a plaintiff has argued state action doctrine against a 2022 social medium platform badly and incorrectly, my counsel will argue state action doctrine correctly and persuasively.

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ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: I have not yet argued state action doctrine

Please read the main documents of Martillo v. Twitter before making an assertion that has no connection to reality. Here is the June 5 2022 Update on Martillo v. Twitter. This update references the main documents of the litigation.

The Original Complaint of Martillo v. Twitter did not argue state action doctrine because my attorney and I made a strategic decision not to stray from the blueprint in which Justice Thomas described his preferred arguments to challenge a social medium platform.

Failed and cartoonish complaints, which assert that a social medium platform is a state actor, have used an unpersuasive legal theory, which alleges a social medium platform is a state actor because the social medium platform has followed directives either from the executive or from the legislature.

A refiled or amended version of Martillo v. Twitter will argue state action doctrine on the basis of the precedent of Burton v. Wilmington Pkg. Auth, 365 U.S. 715, 81 S. Ct. 856 (1961).

Why do I use this precedent while previous plaintiffs have not? Every plaintiff before me has been a mere user of Internet technology and has understood neither the technology nor the control nor the funding of the Internet. There may be a bigger reason for me to use the correct argument, which alleges that a 2022 social medium platform is a state actor. I don’t need to use a database engine to search for a relevant precedent. I don’t goof by searching for a precedent that references state action doctrine and the First Amendment. I know the caselaw.

[There seems to be some genetic benefit to descending from a plethora of posqim (פוסקים‎), who never had a searchable database to assist in making halakhic rulings.]

Burton is a case that involves the application of state action doctrine to the Fourteenth Amendment but applies just as well to the First Amendment.

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bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6

You did not provide a link, and as the one making the claim, it’s your job to provide evidence for that claim. It is not my job to do your homework for you, either.

Unless you’re talking about an earlier discussion we had on this, in which case I already disproved your assertion on that comment a long time ago. Like I said, I’m still waiting for a citation to something that Stephen said that is actually ableist, not one that is only ableist if interpreted based on a misunderstanding of what all three participants of that particular discussion were saying or when using an absurdly broad definition of “ableist”.

I was actually hoping for a link to the other instance you claimed at the time and never once provided any evidence for, since—in the light best suited towards your argument—we are not going to ever agree on the already discussed one, so we might as well move on. (Being less charitable, of course, you’re just flat-out wrong on that one.)

So again, please provide a citation to something Stephen said that is actually ableist.

Raziel says:

Re: Re: Re:7

So again, please provide a citation to something Stephen said that is actually ableist.

When you come back with something like this, it only shows you’d rather engage in ad hom attacks than learn from the missteps of others. There’s a reason we don’t use the word n****r anymore, and it’s for that same reason civilized people don’t use diagnostic terms as insults.

Anonymous Attorney says:

Re: Re: Re:14

Nowhere on this page can I see any evidence, unequivocal or otherwise, that AC confused you with bhull242 or vice versa, but you’ve called them by the handle of a completely different commenter with a distinctive style. This shows three things: 1) AC knows what hypocrisy is and has accused you accurately; 2) they therefore have a high literacy rate; and 3) either your own literacy rate is low, or you’re arguing in bad faith and deserve the sobriquets of “bully” and “troll” that others have applied to you in the past.

Toom1275 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:15

Nowhere on this page can I see any evidence

And there you go projecting that I’m the one who refuses to see the evidence in front of him, whereas anyone literate can see:

bhull is the only one who said here [https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/10/the-institute-for-free-speech-seems-confused-about-free-speech-online/#comment-2350965](I didn’t engage in ad homs.)

Yet you posted your [https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/10/the-institute-for-free-speech-seems-confused-about-free-speech-online/#comment-2351319](Wow, way to expose your lie that you never engage in ad hom attacks!) doubly-incorrect lie in response to my comment containing only fact-based observational opinion.

Nobody with the ability to tell who they’re responding to would do such a thing.

you’ve called them by the handle of a completely different commenter with a distinctive style.

Another lie that never happened in reality. At best, you’re dyslexic for transposing the letters of BDAC into DBA. Once again, you hallucinate your claims that I’m confused based on nothing but your projected confusion.

Anonymous Attorney says:

Re: Re: Re:16

Since my online search of BDAC came up with nothing except this website, I was forced to go to the only reference I had, but thank you for your ableist assertion that I’m dyslexic just because you can’t be bothered to type a sufficient amount of information. I see you also continue to confuse me with other commenters, thus providing more than sufficient evidence to back AC’s assertion that you’re a hypocrite. Unlike you, I stand by what I’ve posted and don’t try to downplay by accusing others of the offences I’m guilty of.

Toom1275 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:19

AC earned his “Brain-Dead” Moniker through the content of his posts. I shortened it to BDAC for brevity, amd it also fit will with an entity that had gone by that acronym for longer, one which was he first and third results in Google and DuckDuckgo searches, respectively – the Broadbamd Deployment Advispry Committee: a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Whole an older Techdirt troll, Richard Bennett, was he one who had ties to that group, the purpose and character of that group – to spin lies to foster corruption, thematically fot AC’s predilections.

And it’s not gone unnoticed that you’re trying to deflect from your failure to tell one arrangement of letters I re-minted from the one the fantasy version of me in your head said.

Nor was your evasion of the fact that your claims there’s no evidence of BDAC’s lack of reading comprehension wrt telling mine and bhull’s usernames apart were debunked.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:20 BD Anonymous Coward

I had assumed BDAC stood for Big Dumb Anonymous Coward, but Brain Dead Anonymous Coward works just as well if not better.

BDAC is an evil white racial supremacist, who believes a bunch of vicious bloodthirsty white racial supremacist European Zionist anti-Jews have the right

  1. to dispossess Palestinians,
  2. to commit genocide on Palestinians, and
  3. to steal Palestine from Palestinians —

apparently because European Zionist anti-Jews are white Europeans while Palestinians, who actually descend from Greco-Roman Judeans, are non-European non-whites like my betrothed Olivia.

Olivia puts it correctly in a recent Appellee’s brief from a litigation in which she had to deal with a depraved and evil Zionist anti-Jew, who was harassing her on several social medium platforms.

…European Jews like European Christians are descendants of non-Judean converts and have no connection to Palestine beyond religious stories, myths and fairy tales. (See The Invention of the Jewish People by Shlomo Sand.) The Roman Exile is a metaphor for the transformation of Judaism from a religion of Judea into a religion practiced solely by the descendants of non-Judean converts to Judaism.

See Appellee’s Brief in Response to Appellant’s Opening Brief.

A Zionist anti-Jew — especially any of my vile and disgusting hyperwealthy Zionist relatives — is a depraved and evil POS.

Olivia is a freshman in college. Within a decade to two decades from today, I foresee that she will be an AUSA, who is putting every depraved and evil US Zionist anti-Jew on trial

  1. for genocide (18 U.S. Code § 1091) and
  2. for providing material support to terrorists (18 U.S. Code § 2339A).

Each depraved and evil US Zionist anti-Jew will be swiftly convicted and sentenced either to a long prison term or to a quick jab in the arm.

One can understand why BDAC or any other similar depraved and evil supporter of the criminal genocidal Zionist state is so adamant that a social medium platform has a non-existent right to censor a pro-Palestine user or pro-Palestine content. The Zionist leadership calculates that a mobilized Zionist gang can easily pressure a social medium platform to remove any pro-Palestine user or content for offending “community standards”.

A depraved and evil Zionist anti-Jew as well as a vile white racist supporter of Zionist genocide is desperate to prevent an open public discussion of Zionist crimes and of Zionist violation of jus cogens.

It is hard to be more disgusting and despicable than a depraved and evil supporter of Zionist genocide.

The open public discussion of Zionist crimes is inevitable. When it happens, the models predict the US public will turn against Zionism and the Zionist movement 70% to 30%. When the 30% realizes

  1. that Zionism is the most outrageous fraud in the history of the human race and
  2. that the Zionist movement has been picking the pockets of every American citizen for decades,

even the aforementioned 30% of the American populace will turn against the criminal genocidal Zionist state.

Americans hate to be conned.

The USA will take the lead in the obliteration of the criminal genocidal Zionist state.

Banned at Techdirt says:

Re: Re: Re:21 @ThorsProvoni

I had assumed BDAC stood for Big Dumb Anonymous Coward, but Brain Dead Anonymous Coward works just as well

Hilarious! Even I didn’t think of that one for these AC’s.

Yeah, these AC’s are toxic–and allied across the US-FVEY’s to alter our entire dialectic spaces by sowing division.

You should read more about who these AC’s are, and what they are doing here at Techdirt-read Social Media Warriors: Leveraging a New Battlespace by Buddhika B. Jayamaha Jahara Matisek from the US Army War College for a primer in Techdirt’s AC Army of fake-aspergers sufferers and other harassers here.

Its called schismogenesis,and it’s straight out of CIA-MKULTRA era social engineering.

Anonymous Attorney says:

Re: Re: Re:18

If pointing out the same faults as others means I am those individuals, then I must also be bhull242, Naughty Autie, Stephen T. Stone and you, as well as several ACs. After all, haven’t we all jointly pointed out the faults of davec and ThorsProvoni? If you can’t handle criticism of your faults, then don’t dish it out. But don’t make false accusations about people to try and silence them. That way Republicanism lies.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:18 Brain Dead Anonymous Coward in Yiddish

I’ve have been teaching Olivia Yiddish so that she can freak out depraved and evil Zionist anti-Jews.

One must consider someone brain dead like Anonymous Coward to be a meathead.

[The poison of Zionist belief kills the mind and eventually murders all brain function.]

In Yiddish one says a brain dead moron like Anonymous Coward is a piece of meat with two eyes (אַ שטיק פֿלײש מיט צװײ אױגן).

Olivia has been working on improving my colloquial Palestinian. It’s interesting. When she speaks her family’s native language, she speaks in Mishnaic Hebrew and Jerusalem Talmud Aramaic combined into a living language, which is relexified to Arabic.

In contrast Fake Invader Hebrew is Yiddish relexified into a random assortment of Hebrew (with some Aramaic or Arabic lexemes) and given the semantics of Nazi German.

A Zionist colonial settler anti-Jew in stolen Palestine is a genocidal invader, interloper, thief and impostor. The human race has a categorical imperative to hate, to scorn, and to loathe Zionism, the Zionist movement, the Zionist colonial settler conglomeration, and the Zionist regime.

Toom1275 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:12

Someone who knows the full definition and use of “ad hom” fallacy knows it’s about attacking the person instead of the argument — with is exactly the opposite of what is happening here – me using the proven and self-evident (lack of) quality your statements to show the lack of quality of the BDAC making them.

In addition, truthful statements as to the historical credibility of a source, such as the undeniable fact that you have never provably even once told the truth in your entire posting career, is technically an ad-hominem, but a specifically non-fallacious instance of it.

Your evidence-free lies about me (everything you have written), however, will thus never qualify as non-fallacious due to that truth requirement.

Anonymous Attorney says:

Re: Re: Re:13

From what I’ve seen in one of your earlier comments, even where evidence you ask for is provided, you deny its existence. This makes you a liar, which itself puts you in no position to attack others for the same offense. AC’s accusations of hypocrisy are therefore correct, as far as I can see.

Anonymous Attorney says:

Re: Re: Re:13

Someone who knows the full definition and use of “ad hom” fallacy knows it’s about attacking the person instead of the argument…

Which is exactly what you did when you accused AC of confusing you with another commenter with numbers in their user name when they were clearly replying to you in regard to something you provably said. As I’ve already stated, you lend substantial weight to others’ accusations against you of hypocrisy by engaging in such attacks.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8

When you come back with something like this, it only shows you’d rather engage in ad hom attacks than learn from the missteps of others.

I didn’t engage in ad homs. I simply stated that the only example I have ever seen of alleged ableism on Stephen’s behalf was not actually ableist for reasons I explained at the time, and that I specifically asked for instances of actual ableism. Nothing about that was a personal attack on anyone whatsoever.

There’s a reason we don’t use the word n****r anymore, and it’s for that same reason civilized people don’t use diagnostic terms as insults.

Something which you haven’t even demonstrated Stephen has actually done, so assuming that that would be necessarily ableist, you still haven’t provided evidence that Stephen did that, so it doesn’t actually matter.

Toom1275 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:11

August 14, 2022 at 10:07 pm

That’s the very abject failure of yours I was referring to, numbnuts.

At least you figured out how to post a link, but you still lack the cognitive power to understand how supporting evidence works, as the link ed comment completely fails to support your lies.

You did not link to evidence of Stephen being ableist. You did not link to any earlier link you claim to have posted linking to evidence of Stephen being ableist.

Instead you linked to a comment from a blind moron making useless claims about bhull242 and autism.

Which once again proves your accusation of hypocrisy as with everything else to be based on nothing but your incompetence, self-delusions, and projection as always.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:12

Instead you linked to a comment from a blind moron making useless claims about bhull242 and autism.

Don’t complain about site glitches if you’re going to use them as a platform from which to attack others. And of course you wouldn’t recognize Stone’s offenses when you’re clearly guilty of the same.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:13

Don’t complain about site glitches if you’re going to use them as a platform from which to attack others.

Toom didn’t complain about site glitches as far as I can tell, nor does this appear to be a glitch.

And of course you wouldn’t recognize Stone’s offenses when you’re clearly guilty of the same.

[citation needed]

Again.

Banned at Techdirt says:

Re: Re: Re:8

Stop trying to kid yourself that any of these AC’s or their assistants in censorship-by-proxy are anything other than trolls.

Maybe read up on what they are actually doing here, it’s called schismogenesis, courtesy of the CIA and US-FVEY’s military and its “social justice” warriors, many of them trained at the US Army War College and other dialogue-subverting military installations.

Social Media Warriors: Leveraging a New Battlespace

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

Please read the main documents of Martillo v. Twitter before making an assertion that has no connection to reality.

And if you want to cut to the chase, just read the disposal, failed motion for reconsideration, and denial of writ by the Supreme Court.

That’s the real reality, isn’t it?

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ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2 AC Has No Comprehension of Legal Procedure

So far the litigation proceeds exactly according to my attorney’s roadmap.

One makes a motion for reconsideration to add more legal arguments into the case record. A motion for reconsideration is rarely granted.

A final disposition is how a case moves from a lower court to a higher court.

Dismissal with prejudice means the Judge considers the case to have no merit. Judge Stearns dismissed without prejudice as Nutter on behalf of Medium had to concede.

Burton’s complaint was dismissed by 3 Courts before he won before SCOTUS, and I already have four Justices on my side.

See Burton v. Wilmington Pkg. Auth, 365 U.S. 715, 81 S. Ct. 856 (1961).

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bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

So far the litigation proceeds exactly according to my attorney’s roadmap.

Getting a writ denied by the Supreme Court was part of that roadmap?

One makes a motion for reconsideration to add more legal arguments into the case record. A motion for reconsideration is rarely granted.

While technically true, it doesn’t make your case look any better.

A final disposition is how a case moves from a lower court to a higher court.

Yes, but that still doesn’t mean that your case will fair any better in a higher court.

Dismissal with prejudice means the Judge considers the case to have no merit. Judge Stearns dismissed without prejudice as Nutter on behalf of Medium had to concede.

A dismissal without prejudice also often means that the Judge considers the case to have no merit, but that there may possibly, hypothetically be some way for you to plead different claims that maybe, possibly, could have the slightest bit of merit. Cases are rarely dismissed with prejudice. Basically, your argument here is that “we could have failed even more”, which isn’t exactly a great argument.

Burton’s complaint was dismissed by 3 Courts before he won before SCOTUS, and I already have four Justices on my side.

No, you don’t. You might have two if I’m being generous.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Please Learn Something about Rules and Procedures of Federal Judiciary

Getting a writ denied by the Supreme Court was part of that roadmap?

Every petition to SCOTUS for writ of certiorari is read by clerks of every Justice. The clerks do all the research and work closely with Justices in drafting of opinions.

Even if a petition is not granted, if a clerk believes the petition will be interesting to the Justice for whom he works, the clerk will flag the petition for his Justice.

While I have only spoken with Justice Thomas a few times and he probably does not know me by name as another Justice would, he would be interested in the argument of Constitutional violation that I make in the petition:

Because I have an ongoing litigation that will almost certainly come before the Justices in the future, I can no longer speak with them ex parte about the issues of the litigation as I have done in the past.

There were not enough rulings from lower courts for SCOTUS to grant the petition. (On the next go round, there will be a myriad of filings for SCOTUS to review.)

A petition to SCOTUS for writ of certiorari before judgment of the Court of Appeals for the First Circuit does not represent ex parte communication.

Please learn something about the mechanisms and the procedures of the federal judiciary.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6 BDAA Must Be BDAC

It’s hard to be more transparently stupid than BDAC/BDAA.

If BDAA had read the filings, he would have realized there is only one case: Joachim Martillo Plaintiff vs. Twitter Inc, Facebook Inc, Linkedin Corp, A Medium Corp, The Stanford Daily Publishing Corp, and Harvard Crimson Inc Defendants [1:21-cv-11119-RGS].

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

The Original Complaint of Martillo v. Twitter did not argue state action doctrine because my attorney and I made a strategic decision not to stray from the blueprint in which Justice Thomas described his preferred arguments to challenge a social medium platform.

A refiled or amended version of Martillo v. Twitter will argue state action doctrine […]

So, basically, you’ve decided to try to make a claim that you thought was stupid because you think you have a better argument for it now? Maybe you should’ve quit while you were (kinda) ahead.

Every plaintiff before me has been a mere user of Internet technology and has understood neither the technology nor the control nor the funding of the Internet.

Same goes for you, as you don’t seem to understand the technology or the control or funding of the Internet, either.

You’ve previously claimed that companies have a physical presence wherever people view their websites or use their apps based on your understanding of how technology works, but anyone who understands how electricity actually works or how data actually gets transferred knows that that’s not how it works at all (even setting aside the fact that “physical presence” has a specific meaning in law that simply does not fit your understanding of it). You also claim that the government is in control of the internet (which it isn’t, at least no more than it is of boats or private shipping services) and funds it (which is legally meaningless and no more true than it is of literally everyone who pays for internet access or the private companies who actually run it).

So yeah, that doesn’t actually explain why you’re the first to try to use that particular argument in court. I’m going to say that no one before you could do the same sort of mental gymnastics you’re apparently capable of who had any knowledge that that case even existed, and that that’s why you’re the first to try to use it.

There may be a bigger reason for me to use the correct argument, which alleges that a 2022 social medium platform is a state actor.

A 2022 social media platform is no different from a 2021 social media platform is no different from a 2020 social media platform, etc.

I don’t need to use a database engine to search for a relevant precedent. I don’t goof by searching for a precedent that references state action doctrine and the First Amendment. I know the caselaw.

[Press X to Doubt]

Naughty Autie says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Oh, that’s nothing. Thors’ plan is apparently Twitter being declared a common carrier in accordance with the CRA of 1964, which prohibits unequal application of voter registration requirements, racial segregation in schools and public accommodations, and employment discrimination, and therefore doubly doesn’t apply in his case. If he were any more stupid, he’d be a Republican politician. 😂

Anonymous Attorney says:

Re: Re: Re:4

TBH, I’ve seen more accusations of drug taking from you than from the poster you call DBAC. Reading his posts from previous weeks (if DBAC is indeed DBA Phillip Cross), I detect a distinct style that you seem to have missed, which might explain why you often conflate clearly different commenters, and every post with that particular style makes no mention of drugs of any kind, though plenty did make mention of “FVEY’s”.

Toom1275 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5

It’s BDAC, not DBAC. As in the Brain-Dead AC trolling me, Stephen, and bhull in this thread with his reality-free hallucinations.

An entirely separate entity from Phillip.

Though BDAC does share Phil’s complete inability to tell different people apart here.

While both of those posters’ comments suggest hallicinogen use — as what neither one claims to see has ever existed in the real world — Phil’s situation leans more likely to meth, as a side-effect of meth use is conspiracy-style delusions of people out to get you. Which phil definitely exhibits, from his fantasizing about stalking gangs, to his projection that every real person here is part of a revolving-door association of troll farms of which only Phil seems to possess the playbooks for.

Banned at Techdirt says:

Re: Re: Re:6

Yeah, Phil here–I want to point out your error of reasoning: these AC’s aren’t actual people in the “human” sense, because they are largely JTRIG, and other US-FVEY’s trained trolls.

As for

BDAC does share Phil’s complete inability to tell different people apart here

I clearly identified Thing 1 and Thing 2 in previous work, while others are more sporadic. Stone is the “every accusation a confession troll” etc.–I would have to go to my notes for furhter details, but TD is 100% moderated, I know that now–so, legalities aside, I have direct evidence of that.

You are a pro-law enforcement type statist, whose main goal appears to be to cast doubt upon narratives that don’t fit your police-state identity.

Regardless, you are an easily led useful “useful idiot” in many regards, but a major part of what these types of trolls rely upon to get their narrative out there, or to contain insight inside this “leveraged battle space.”

You can read more about it if you want to via the US Army College press, but I have provided other direct evidence herein.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: The Correct Way to Argue State Action Doctrine

How will my legal team and I make the correct State Action Doctrine argument?

Pasadena Republican Club v. W. Justice Ctr., 985 F.3d 1161 (9th Cir. 2021) provides a road map for applying Burton.

“To apply the ruling in Burton, the private party’s conduct of which the plaintiff complains must be inextricably intertwined with that of the government.” Pasadena Republican Club v. W. Justice Ctr., 985 F.3d 1161, 1164 (9th Cir. 2021)

I have worked with Arpanet/Internet technology and governance for ~50 years. I know exactly how the US federal government is inextricably intertwined with Internet funding, management, and governance and thus with social medium platform action even after the alleged privatization.

[AT&T and Comcast have evaded this pitfall because each company made sure to own its network completely.]

The Internet does not belong to any one social medium platform, but to many corporations, to many private organizations, and to many private individuals. Within the Internet, a social medium platform has no right with respect to offered public services to abridge First Amendment-licit speech of anyone.

Within three years Free Speech opponents like Eric Goldman will be reduced to tears as their depraved and evil house of cards comes tumbling down.

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ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Public Commenting Can Certainly Be a Liability!

Public commenting, which does not follow the “Letter to the Editor” model of traditional paper journals, creates liability for complaints of either common carriage or civil rights or public accommodation discrimination if the online newspaper removes a user or his content.

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ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Naughty Autie -- Another Poster Nitwit

Naughty Autie is another poster nitwit for the proverb below.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

The case never was in the courtroom, dummy. McMahon’s road map was beautiful and clever because it brought the case right into the Court of Appeals for the First Circuit without even spending one day in the US federal district courtroom.

Probably because I used to be haredi, I prefer the Biblical version of the proverb.

Proverbs (מִשְׁלֵי) 17.

28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise; and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed as a man of understanding.

.כח גַּם אֱוִיל מַחֲרִישׁ, חָכָם יֵחָשֵׁב; אֹטֵם שְׂפָתָיו נָבוֹן

Anonymous Attorney says:

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Naughty Autie is another poster nitwit for the proverb below.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

I believe a good dose of psychoanalysis could help you. After all, Naughty Autie’s not the one trying to present a legal argument that a private car and a taxi are subject to all the same laws.

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ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Techdirt Invited Me to Participate

Masnick published a mindlessly stupid hatchet job on Martillo v. Twitter.

I admit that I agree with the police-related articles — as Justice Thomas probably would because he hates qualified immunity caselaw.

Yet, Techdirt never fails to amuse as its community continues to show utter ignorance of legal principles and procedures.

Sometimes it is helpful to me when I need to draft a legal filing to have some knowledge of little brain understanding of the main issues in the associated case or controversy.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Dude, go be a racist fucking asshole somewhere else.

Are you seriously too fucking stupid to realize that nobody wants you around here because you’re nothing but a low grade racist fucking asshole who is so high on himself he thinks his asshole doesn’t smell like shit.

I hope all social media gives you the perma-ban because you are a racist fucking piece of shit asshole!

I also hope your doomed lawsuit will financially ruin you, deservedly so.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Did You Read the 1661 Cases That Cite Burton?

I read rulings and have concluded that a good attorney should be able to argue the application of the precedent of Burton v. Wilmington Pkg. Auth, 365 U.S. 715, 81 S. Ct. 856 (1961) to a social medium platform, whose service is within the Internet, which is a vast US government-created facility, structure, or establishment, which the US government continues to fund and over which the US government exerts immense control.

Anonymous Attorney says:

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Hot Tamales are sold in stores which are on streets that are part of a vast US government-created facility, structure, or establishment, which the US government continues to fund and over which the US government exerts immense control. That still doesn’t make Just Born, Inc. a common carrier.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Obviously Not an Attorney

BD AA/AC continues to show no understanding whatsoever of law or of the US legal system.

The business of the Just Born takes place B2B with a retailer or with an online consumer when Just Born sets up a place of public accommodation for selling candy with the premises of an online user. For delivery of candy, Just Born may make use of a common carrier. Online Just Born is a social medium platform just like Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn. According to current Section 230 caselaw, Just Born could decide to sell only to a registered user and could remove every non-white registered.

Because I am anti-racist, I am working to bury Section 230 caselaw. Only a pro-discrimination racist like BD AA/AC supports existing Section 230 caselaw.

A carrier, whose business intrinsically makes use of a road (a public resource), is subject to all sorts of anti-discrimination statutes — including common carriage law.

A carrier, whose business intrinsically makes use of a waterway (a public resource), is subject to all sorts of anti-discrimination statutes — including common carriage law.

A social medium platform, whose business like that of Twitter or like that of Google is intrinsically within the government created and government supported Internet (a public resource), is obviously a state actor and is obviously a message common carrier of digital personal literary property despite the best effort of pro-discrimination racist like BD AA/AC to argue otherwise.

Toom1275 (profile) says:

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is intrinsically within the government created and government supported Internet (a public resource), is obviously a state actor

According to someone with no understanding of law like Thors, everyone and anyone, even himself, is a “state actor” under his ignorant definition.

In the real world, though, there are no “state actor” platforms, because the real-world requirements for such status are far different.

ThorsProvoni (profile) says:

The Depraved and Evil White Racial Supremacist Zionist Anti-Jew Continues to Show that the Poisonous Venom of Zionist Belief Has Rotted Away His Mind!

How will my legal team and I make the correct State Action Doctrine argument?

Pasadena Republican Club v. W. Justice Ctr., 985 F.3d 1161 (9th Cir. 2021) provides a road map for applying Burton.

“To apply the ruling in Burton, the private party’s conduct of which the plaintiff complains must be inextricably intertwined with that of the government.” Pasadena Republican Club v. W. Justice Ctr., 985 F.3d 1161, 1164 (9th Cir. 2021)

I have worked with Arpanet/Internet technology and governance for ~50 years. I know exactly how the US federal government is inextricably intertwined with Internet funding, management, and governance and thus with social medium platform action even after the alleged privatization.

[AT&T and Comcast have evaded this pitfall because each company made sure to own its network completely.]

The Internet does not belong to any one social medium platform, but to many corporations, to many private organizations, to the US government, and to many private individuals. Within the Internet, a social medium platform has no right with respect to offered public services to abridge First Amendment-licit speech of anyone.

Within three years Eric Goldman and other opponents of Free Speech and of the First Amendment will be reduced to tears.

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