Send A Sympathy Card Over The Death Of The Internet To Your Senator

from the condolences dept

Alexis Ohanion, founder of Reddit (and Hipmunk and Breadpig), is kicking off a neat campaign to send condolence cards to Senators, mourning the “death of the internet” in response to the effort to move forward with PIPA. In a video he put together, he questions why our elected officials, who admit they don’t understand the technology, seem to have no problem at all moving forward with a bill regulating that same technology — and shows the condolence card he’s sending to his own Senators in New York.

He separately notes how odd it is that in this era of political gridlock, where almost nothing can get done in Congress, so many in Congress jump to push through bad legislation they don’t understand — written by the entertainment industry — while ignoring the many real problems this country faces…

Because I can already hear some of the SOPA/PIPA supporters out there revving up the “but it doesn’t kill the internet!” cries, let’s dig into that issue. No one is saying that it kills off the entire internet, so that it goes away. What we’ve been saying all along is that it kills the established legal framework under which the internet has grown and thrived for decades. That’s a big deal. Multiple studies have shown that the protection from secondary liability is a large part of what enabled the internet to grow the way it did, and to build the kinds of innovative new services that have shown up over the years. Taking that away doesn’t mean that “the internet” goes away — but it does mean that the key protections on which the internet were built are put at significant risk or, in some cases, wiped out. That’s pretty scary if you want to see new internet services built up and to see existing ones grow. Under such conditions, sympathy cards seem perfectly reasonable.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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The one with the laws. That we’re working with right now. That are allowing the movie industry and music industry to thrive, as well as the tech industry. Those laws make up the legal framework. The DMCA, ProIP (as much as I hate it, it counts now that it’s law), Copyright Law, Patent Law, etc… That’s the legal framework that’s been established thus far.

Anonymous Coward says:

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As the pirates know it, yup. And that was inevitable.

That Alexis guy got thoroughly schooled on MSNBC, not just by the NBC VP, but eventually by once-sympathetic host Chris Hayes also- who used words like “specious” and “dubious” towards Mr. Reddit’s hilarious FUD.

I love that this issue is totally out in the open now, and the pirates are wearing no clothes.

Anonymous Coward says:

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“bittorrent, cyberlocker, or any other site that allows user-generated content”

And no, Facebook is far from safe.
Per the anti circumvention clause all it takes is users discussing how to get around the blocking on Facebook (Arguably even free speech) and the site is at risk.

Jay (profile) says:

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All Cotton did was talk louder.

Although, Alex could have done a better job in getting his argument out. He missed a few opportunities to make Cotton look like even more of a tool.

I’d like to think that the rogue websites argument could be taken down by point out that would be liable for domain seizure. Not to mention that the “threat to jobs” comes from the implimentation of SOPA/PIPA, not the debunking of the need for it.

Jay (profile) says:

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Tens of thousands of record label employees have lost their jobs because their employer’s content is being ripped off and thus they can’t afford to employ as many people.

Bull. Shit. The entire reason a lot of record labels lost their jobs was because of the RIAA’s disastrous campaign to turn everyone into criminals. Oh wait a minute. They’re doing that right now.

If they just gave you a raise for talking points, it’s time for them to get their money back.

Anonymous Coward says:

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First off, sorry for barging in on this thread, but he ran away from my thread.

I hope you are aware that the state department has financed the development of a few excellent tools that if used for this purpouse will completely negate all blocking provisions in SOPA and PIPA ?
Now, to add insult to injury, those are not even the most effective tools for the job.
With stuff out there and widely used TODAY both SOPA and PIPA are completely ineffective.

Anonymous Coward says:

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See, the intent of IP extremists isn’t to ‘stop piracy’. It’s to stop competition.

Some people are perfectly willing to release their content under a CC license so that others can get it for free. but IP extremists don’t want that, they don’t want anyone able to consume any content for free. They want people to only have the option of paying them for content.

and this is what the laws have accomplished outside the Internet. Through govt established broadcasting and cableco monopolies and through laws that make it too legally risky and expensive for a restaurant or other venue to host independent performers, it is difficult for independents to get their content distributed without signing their copy protections over to a govt established monopolist gatekeeper. and they want to do to the Internet what they have accomplished outside the Internet. This isn’t about piracy.

Anonymous Coward says:

What I find funny is that people didn’t noticed that the anti-circumvention measures in those bills actually make it illegal to have forensic and diagnostic tools for networks LoL

Wireshark like any other network traffic dumper would be illegal under those terms, imaging tech is today illegal thanks to the DMCA since they can make bit by bit copies of DVD’s is just nobody noticed yet.

I wonder how authorities will investigate anything if the tools they need that are developed by others outside the government right now didn’t exist, how would they track anything if they can’t record the traffic that goes from one point to the other or if they couldn’t do a copy of the hard disk of a suspect because those tools are illegal.

Wireshark, tcpdump, dd, ddrescue etc.

Kaega (profile) says:

And you still have piracy

I really can’t say this enough. There is nothing in this bill that will stop piracy.

I hear a bunch of crap about blocking DNS domains to take down “rogue” sites. Loading a site without the use of DNS requests can be done, not to mention many services (like bit torrent) don’t use DNS at all.

Connections can be encrypted, proxy servers can be use to redirect your connection, and internet routes can always be rerouted. And even though it can seem complex, I know 10 year olds that can accomplish these things.

When small businesses can’t work because licensing fees are too high, and big industry’s still won’t budge on their ridiculous prices, piracy will thrive.

Anonymous Coward says:

He separately notes how odd it is that in this era of political gridlock, where almost nothing can get done in Congress, so many in Congress jump to push through bad legislation they don’t understand — written by the entertainment industry — while ignoring the many real problems this country faces…

Written by the entertainment industry, paid for by the entertainment industry. They pull the strings, and the puppets dance. It’s not like this is the first time it’s happened.
Incidentally, does anyone want to take bets on what acronym they’ll use next time they make one of these bills? So far we’ve had DMCA, COICA, SOPA, and PIPA/PROTECT-IP/E-PARASITE. Personally, I think they’ll call the next one the “End Child Molesting Act”. Of course it’d probably end up actually making it harder to catch child molesters…

Anonymous Coward says:

It's already started.

I need a new search engine. It appears Google has managed to lose an entire model line of HP servers.

You can’t tell me that ml350ro4p isn’t found in any document anywhere on the Internet. I have a freaking PO with this model number on it.

Screw you MAFIAA people. How much are you going to pay ME for the time wasted trying to find out specs for this server so I can figure out if it’s upgradable, and where to get parts for it.

nasch (profile) says:

Re: It's already started.

You can’t tell me that ml350ro4p isn’t found in any document anywhere on the Internet. I have a freaking PO with this model number on it.

Dogpile (Google + Yahoo + Bing) doesn’t find anything on it either, nor does the HP site. Perhaps it’s ML350 G4p? That’s the closest HP has. I think you jumped the gun on blaming the MAFIAA.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: It's already started.

HAHA! That’s where you are wrong……it says plain and simple on the back of the damn server….

(actually it’s ML340RO4P….not ML350RO4P….)

either way, finding anything on the HP Proliant ML340 G4 is like living in a fking time warp…..

*are you sure that model server exists?*

Plueeeze…….it’s right there in the damn rack.

Montezuma (profile) says:

I find it funny, very funny in fact, that so many people are screaming and telling about the “death of the internet”, and really, the further death of the First Amendment to the US Constitution, yet so many of you have failed to see the death of the Second Amendment of the US Constitution. So many of you look past us firearm owners, who have warned so many of you that the death of the Second Amendment would be followed up by the death of the First Amendment, but we were ignored.

The difference is that we firearm owners are here to help you guys fight this travesty. We have been fighting, rather successfully, to force the great majority of states(all but one has weapon carry licensing on the books, though not all are “shall issue”, but we are working on it). As firearm owners, we hold that the First Amendment is just as important as the Second Amendment, even if the reverse is not true for many of you. Some people might try to say this isn’t a First Amendment issue, but is very much is.

You look at the 1934 National Firearms Act(NFA), the Gun Control Act of 1968(GCA), the Firearm Owners “Protection” Act(FOPA; which is anything but), the now defunct 1994 Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act(aka, Federal Assault Weapons Ban, or AWB, which banned the sale of new weapons labeled “assault weapons”, but were not, as they lacked select, or full automatic fire capabilities). Similar laws, which will further dampen our First Amendment rights, are coming. SOPA and PIPA are just the start.

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