Memo Shows ES&S Knew Its E-Voting Machines Were Buggy

from the whoops dept

Remember those missing votes in Florida? The ones where a judge decided that the source code didn't need to be revealed and where a very, very limited test showed all sorts of problems (even if the press pretended it said the machines were fine)? Yes, those same machines that an (anonymous) representative from an e-voting company (hint: it's the one in question here) insisted was perfectly fine and that all of these complaints were just fear mongering. Well, now it turns out that, not only did those machines have some pretty big problems, the e-voting company ES&S that made them knew about the problems and had even sent a memo to election officials in Florida about it.

The memo noted that the machines had a flaw that sometimes would make the machines respond very slowly -- requiring voters to push on their voting choice for much longer than would normally be expected. They had a fix, but admitted the fix wasn't certified so it couldn't be used. ES&S recommended that election officials post signs telling people to make sure to keep pressing on the screen until the vote was recorded -- but Florida election officials decided that wasn't necessary. Even better, during the court case looking into the missing votes, Florida officials conveniently "misfiled" that memo and did not turn it over to the court. Not surprisingly, the elections officials claim that it's no big deal and are falling back on the examination of the source code -- though, as other experts point out, simply examining the source code alone wouldn't spot this kind of problem. That's exactly why Ed Felten said that just examining the source code wasn't sufficient in figuring out what the problem was. All in all, this repeats the same exact pattern we've seen over and over again with e-voting systems. The machines are tremendously flawed, and those who work at the companies (and many elections officials) respond to attempts to do serious research into their security and accuracy by stonewalling and misleading people. That's not healthy for democracy and it's not healthy for this country.


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    Anonymous Coward, Mar 22nd, 2007 @ 3:35pm

    Hey Jo, Where You Goin' With That Vote In Your Tru

    I want to see another Mike v Jo smackdown.

     

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    Programer, Mar 22nd, 2007 @ 4:54pm

    How Hard

    How hard is it to create a program to select a user input & record the results in a database ?
    And even offer a printout ?

     

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    William, Mar 22nd, 2007 @ 5:28pm

    Re: How Hard

    How hard is it to create a program to select a user input & record the results in a database ?
    And even offer a printout ?

    The complexity comes in when everything on the machine has to be easily customizable so that you can use them on multiple elections.

    You would have to be able to add and remove screens and even tables in the database. And still Maintain the integrity of the votes counted. It can get very tricky I'm sure I heard that some of the Diebold machines have over 50,000 lines of code.

    But yes you are right anyone could make a verifiable throwaway Java application to do this job it's just that you would have to make a new one for each election in every district in the country and there are thousands of districts.

     

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    Murphy, Mar 22nd, 2007 @ 5:46pm

    Re: Re: How Hard

    Your right. But the question here is not how hard, but to open the code so that a lot of eyes can review and make recommendations until they get a solid piece of code. There will always be room to improve and everyone will have confidence in the open source program. As a programmer, even though I believe my code is the best, I still have others review for error correction, performance, etc... And everytime, I come back to improve the application with items I did not think of before and suggestions that solidify the code.

     

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    William, Mar 22nd, 2007 @ 6:08pm

    Re: Re: Re: How Hard

    I'm sure your the Zen master programmer. And I know that the internet is resplendent with people who don't trust e-voting machines but the fact remains that they have been proven to be much more accurate than paper ballots.

    Companies that have spent 10's of millions developing their own software have on desire to share it. There is no good answer to this problem; perhaps someone will start a voting machine software project. If the software were better and free some company might adopt it.

     

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    Joe Smith, Mar 22nd, 2007 @ 6:45pm

    fraud

    If the suppliers or election officials are hiding the problems then it is a fraud on the courts and on the voters.

     

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    _Jon, Mar 23rd, 2007 @ 7:24am

    I feel vindicated.

     

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    Jean Camp, Mar 23rd, 2007 @ 12:20pm

    voting

    In response to "the fact remains that they have been proven to be much more accurate than paper ballots."

    There is no study showing direct recording electronic voting machines, the ones under discussion here, as more reliable. They are less reliable, prone to lose votes, to screen misalignment, and to denial of service attacks.

    This is why the ACM (where the master zen programmers gather) has released the following statements on e-voting:
    http://www.acm.org/usacm/weblog/index.php?p=73 in 2004
    http://www.acm.org/usacm/PDF/USACM_evoting_letter_nov16.pdf in 2005

     

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    LOL Robin Will, Mar 23rd, 2007 @ 1:03pm

    voting

    There is a movie about this MAN OF THE YEAR duh

     

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