Okay, I see where you're coming from now. You don't see the actual picture as the end result but the combination of picture and reference to the original art work is for you the total of the copyrighted work.
I don't think this logic will hold up in court as infringement though. Essentially all artists reference previous artists and work. For example I once saw a guy making a convincing argument that Rothko was inspired by Vermeer. If that was the case than if you take away Vermeer, the Rothko could not exist. However I don't think anybody would claim that the Rothko work was copyright infringement.
So the argument that it's infringement because one cannot exist without the other does not fly.
It is true that we were conquered in a matter of days, mainly because we had very little and very outdated weaponry. I've been told bi-planes don't fare well against Messerschmitts. We were tryng to be neutral in the conflict, true, but Hitler didn't care about that much.
However, after the surrender the Dutch government in exile in London has worked tirelessly to liberate the country again.
The law mentioned above isn't "stalled". It's just in the legislative process.
It has been approved by the "Tweede Kamer" (very loosely comparable to Congress) and still needs to be approved by the "Eerste Kamer" (Senate, although the differences between the Dutch system and the US system are bigger than the similarities).
The problem here is not so much the foreign heads of state but rather our own. The change would also make the King fair game. Some conservative Christian parties are a bit worried about that.
Anyway, I wouldn't worry too much about the guy. I would be surprised if he got more than a slap on the wrist, even if he was convicted. The maximum punishment looks scary but Dutch judges have wide discretion in setting punishments and I think the harshest they would go in this case will be a fine of a few hundred Euros.
Still, not good the Dutch government collaborates with the Turkish government in this.
Not an international law expert, or any law expert at all, but generally speaking I don't think the US is extraditing American Citizens to other nations.
I seem to remember this was an issue for the US to join the International Peace Court in The Hague as well.
So, I'm not really hopeful this guy will be extradited.
(to me, who has list of nearly all accounts for the last 5 years)
It's really hard to say this without sounding insulting but you really need help. This kind of obsession is really not healthy. Please, please, please talk to somebody. I'm serious.
Alternatively, try to wean yourself of your compulsive behaviour to visit and comment on this site. Just go watch porn or something whenever you feel the need to go here..
I would find it reasonable if the receiver of the erroneous takedowns (Google in this case) sent an invoice for weeding out the false positives. They have to spent time and money to fix it but why should they be the ones to bear the cost?
If you really cared you would support military action against these countries driving these people to these situations"
In the forest of stupid you wrote above, this takes the cake. How many times has war, or forced regime change for that matter, made things better for anyone? How many times has war reduced the number of refugees?
The problem here is the plea deal system, combined with the stacking mentioned in the article.
If you're arrested for something minor and during the arrest something happens that might conceivably be construed as bodily injury if you look at it sideways with your eyes seriously squinted. That's not even considering how the incident is reported if there are no witnesses except cops.
So what do you do (guilty or innocent) if they offer you a plea deal for 6 months in jail versus the potential risk of going to prison for 10 years plus? You'll take the deal or you will trust the public defender to get you off, even though they added 98 cases to his workload just this week?
As per usual if you can afford proper legal representation this law will not affect you much, probably.
The writing in the C&D is so bad, it hurts my eyes. It certainly doesn't convince me to read anything of hers in book form.
I'm surprised there are so many titles with cocky in it. I didn't know that word was still in general use. It sounds quite old fashioned and childish to me but I'm not a native speaker so there's that.
It has been pointed out before but in the good old days of dead trees newspapers were not in the news business, they were in the advertising business. In that particular setup you need more subscribers to make more money. However if you asked journalists how their paper made money it was "We're selling news."
If you translate this to today's situation it is easy to see how this goes wrong. The news papers were still trying to get the largest number of eyeballs assuming that would deliver the biggest payments. This has resulted in everybody trying to have the news faster, join every craze or meme that was available and by delivering the shallowest news possible as long as you are first, fact checking be damned. Reminiscent of old-timey paper boys shouting on the street.
Currently eyeballs are very plentiful and cheap for advertisers. So that model brings diminishing returns. The solution is to either bring very targeted eyeballs or make news that people actually want to pay for, so something they can't find anywhere else.
I think all the old names will die since they seem unable to adapt. Out of the ashes will rise the new winners. What that will look like is open for debate but Patronage seems like a viable model, perhaps combined with a more traditional agent model that does the managing of the journalists if they're not capable themselves.
Of course you should install one of those safe encryption back doors I keep hearing about in each tank so you can switch them off at a distance if somebody wants to use them against you.
Why is there so much focus on catching drug users and not drug traffickers? Methinks the drug users are victims more than criminals.
If somebody has 3 pounds of cocaine in the trunk of his car please arrest him. If somebody has used drugs and has a small amount on him. Give him a stern warning and a flyer for a rehab center.
It's incidents like this that give the impression that the US is becoming a police state.
Case in point, the recent attack in Toronto where the attacker/terrorist was apprehended alive. We were looking at the footage of the guy screaming at the cop "I have a gun!" with the policeman approaching him with gun drawn. My girlfriend remarked "Holy shit, if this was in the US, this guy would've been dead 5 times over!
So we've reached the point that we expect the police in the US to go in full Dirty Harry mode (Death Wish mode?) as soon as possible. They can't even spell de-escalation anymore.
Does doctor-patient privilege extend to crimes? It's my understanding that if there is evidence of a crime, and a child with an STD would definitely qualify, the doctor has to report it. They're obviously also reporting gunshot victims.
To be honest I couldn't focus too much on the article since finding out that apparently people are taking a DIY approach to aligning their teeth! The wonders never cease. Next we'll have a home appendectomy kit.
I think that people that are thinking about this should take the fact that you could, and probably will, fuck up your mouth as a given. I'm amazed that it's not obligated for the SmileDirectClub to plaster that exact warning all over their website.
If your teeth need straightening please seek professional help! Yes, it will most likely cost thousands of dollars but it's the only way.
(I'm not an orthodontist by the way, although I had plenty of work done in my youth, to full satisfaction)
"While most other countries have local film industries, the majority of films watched in most of them are American"
I agree, there must be something more than only media. However, we also must be cautious to immediately discount the influence of pop culture on this. It certainly seems as if the attitudes(for lack of a better word) of Americans and pop culture are enhancing each other.
Still, many fingers can be pointed to many things. Politicians are a big part of the problem as well. Being, like you, from Europe, I have a hard time believing that the blatant pandering to industry interests (NRA) would be accepted here. Obviously our politicians say other stupid things but that is another issue.
What I wanted to say is that perhaps we go too soon into problem solving mode, without really understanding the root cause of the issue.
Having said that, I feel that creating stricter gun legislation is a good start without significant drawbacks. I have yet to see a good argument for unfettered access to handguns, semi automatic or otherwise.
If I remember correctly even Michael Moore, hated by everybody left and right, agrees with you that it's not necessarily only the guns. At the end of Bowling for Columbine he compares the US to Canada and even though Canada does not have a substantially lower number of weapons, relatively speaking, there is much less gun violence.
So, it's a complex issue, who knew? That's not to say that putting stronger controls on guns is a bad start but it's probably not the only answer.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Clearly derived work
Okay, I see where you're coming from now. You don't see the actual picture as the end result but the combination of picture and reference to the original art work is for you the total of the copyrighted work.
I don't think this logic will hold up in court as infringement though. Essentially all artists reference previous artists and work. For example I once saw a guy making a convincing argument that Rothko was inspired by Vermeer. If that was the case than if you take away Vermeer, the Rothko could not exist. However I don't think anybody would claim that the Rothko work was copyright infringement.
So the argument that it's infringement because one cannot exist without the other does not fly.
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You recall wrongly.
It is true that we were conquered in a matter of days, mainly because we had very little and very outdated weaponry. I've been told bi-planes don't fare well against Messerschmitts. We were tryng to be neutral in the conflict, true, but Hitler didn't care about that much.
However, after the surrender the Dutch government in exile in London has worked tirelessly to liberate the country again.
So, perhaps you should read your history again?
Just a small correction
The law mentioned above isn't "stalled". It's just in the legislative process.
It has been approved by the "Tweede Kamer" (very loosely comparable to Congress) and still needs to be approved by the "Eerste Kamer" (Senate, although the differences between the Dutch system and the US system are bigger than the similarities).
The problem here is not so much the foreign heads of state but rather our own. The change would also make the King fair game. Some conservative Christian parties are a bit worried about that.
Anyway, I wouldn't worry too much about the guy. I would be surprised if he got more than a slap on the wrist, even if he was convicted. The maximum punishment looks scary but Dutch judges have wide discretion in setting punishments and I think the harshest they would go in this case will be a fine of a few hundred Euros.
Still, not good the Dutch government collaborates with the Turkish government in this.
Re:
Not an international law expert, or any law expert at all, but generally speaking I don't think the US is extraditing American Citizens to other nations.
I seem to remember this was an issue for the US to join the International Peace Court in The Hague as well.
So, I'm not really hopeful this guy will be extradited.
Re: Re: Re: I think the age of anyone caring about comment policing is past
Perhaps my point was not as clear as it could have been
Yes it was. At least if your point was that you're completely detached from reality.
Re: Scott Yates or beernutz, 59 comments total, 6 average per year,
(to me, who has list of nearly all accounts for the last 5 years)
It's really hard to say this without sounding insulting but you really need help. This kind of obsession is really not healthy. Please, please, please talk to somebody. I'm serious.
Alternatively, try to wean yourself of your compulsive behaviour to visit and comment on this site. Just go watch porn or something whenever you feel the need to go here..
Re:
I would find it reasonable if the receiver of the erroneous takedowns (Google in this case) sent an invoice for weeding out the false positives. They have to spent time and money to fix it but why should they be the ones to bear the cost?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Outrage
If you really cared you would support military action against these countries driving these people to these situations"
In the forest of stupid you wrote above, this takes the cake. How many times has war, or forced regime change for that matter, made things better for anyone? How many times has war reduced the number of refugees?
Re: What Does “Hate Crime” Mean Anyway?
The French even have a term for it: Crime passionel
Re: Re: Re: Not every bump
The problem here is the plea deal system, combined with the stacking mentioned in the article.
If you're arrested for something minor and during the arrest something happens that might conceivably be construed as bodily injury if you look at it sideways with your eyes seriously squinted. That's not even considering how the incident is reported if there are no witnesses except cops.
So what do you do (guilty or innocent) if they offer you a plea deal for 6 months in jail versus the potential risk of going to prison for 10 years plus? You'll take the deal or you will trust the public defender to get you off, even though they added 98 cases to his workload just this week?
As per usual if you can afford proper legal representation this law will not affect you much, probably.
Not advertizing
The writing in the C&D is so bad, it hurts my eyes. It certainly doesn't convince me to read anything of hers in book form.
I'm surprised there are so many titles with cocky in it. I didn't know that word was still in general use. It sounds quite old fashioned and childish to me but I'm not a native speaker so there's that.
Journalists don't understand their own business model
It has been pointed out before but in the good old days of dead trees newspapers were not in the news business, they were in the advertising business. In that particular setup you need more subscribers to make more money. However if you asked journalists how their paper made money it was "We're selling news."
If you translate this to today's situation it is easy to see how this goes wrong. The news papers were still trying to get the largest number of eyeballs assuming that would deliver the biggest payments. This has resulted in everybody trying to have the news faster, join every craze or meme that was available and by delivering the shallowest news possible as long as you are first, fact checking be damned. Reminiscent of old-timey paper boys shouting on the street.
Currently eyeballs are very plentiful and cheap for advertisers. So that model brings diminishing returns. The solution is to either bring very targeted eyeballs or make news that people actually want to pay for, so something they can't find anywhere else.
I think all the old names will die since they seem unable to adapt. Out of the ashes will rise the new winners. What that will look like is open for debate but Patronage seems like a viable model, perhaps combined with a more traditional agent model that does the managing of the journalists if they're not capable themselves.
Re: This is totally the beginning of a buddy-cop action movie.
More like the next Police Academy. How many shenanigans might ensue if they had tanks, mine detectors and military grade lawnmowers?
Why do they actually hand out lawn mowers with this program?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Of course you should sell them!
Of course you should install one of those safe encryption back doors I keep hearing about in each tank so you can switch them off at a distance if somebody wants to use them against you.
Drug use != criminal?
Why is there so much focus on catching drug users and not drug traffickers? Methinks the drug users are victims more than criminals.
If somebody has 3 pounds of cocaine in the trunk of his car please arrest him. If somebody has used drugs and has a small amount on him. Give him a stern warning and a flyer for a rehab center.
Police state
It's incidents like this that give the impression that the US is becoming a police state.
Case in point, the recent attack in Toronto where the attacker/terrorist was apprehended alive. We were looking at the footage of the guy screaming at the cop "I have a gun!" with the policeman approaching him with gun drawn. My girlfriend remarked "Holy shit, if this was in the US, this guy would've been dead 5 times over!
So we've reached the point that we expect the police in the US to go in full Dirty Harry mode (Death Wish mode?) as soon as possible. They can't even spell de-escalation anymore.
To protect and serve?
Re: Cause for Attorney-Client privilege...
Does doctor-patient privilege extend to crimes? It's my understanding that if there is evidence of a crime, and a child with an STD would definitely qualify, the doctor has to report it. They're obviously also reporting gunshot victims.
Just curious.
People do this?
To be honest I couldn't focus too much on the article since finding out that apparently people are taking a DIY approach to aligning their teeth! The wonders never cease. Next we'll have a home appendectomy kit.
I think that people that are thinking about this should take the fact that you could, and probably will, fuck up your mouth as a given. I'm amazed that it's not obligated for the SmileDirectClub to plaster that exact warning all over their website.
If your teeth need straightening please seek professional help! Yes, it will most likely cost thousands of dollars but it's the only way.
(I'm not an orthodontist by the way, although I had plenty of work done in my youth, to full satisfaction)
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"While most other countries have local film industries, the majority of films watched in most of them are American"
I agree, there must be something more than only media. However, we also must be cautious to immediately discount the influence of pop culture on this. It certainly seems as if the attitudes(for lack of a better word) of Americans and pop culture are enhancing each other.
Still, many fingers can be pointed to many things. Politicians are a big part of the problem as well. Being, like you, from Europe, I have a hard time believing that the blatant pandering to industry interests (NRA) would be accepted here. Obviously our politicians say other stupid things but that is another issue.
What I wanted to say is that perhaps we go too soon into problem solving mode, without really understanding the root cause of the issue.
Having said that, I feel that creating stricter gun legislation is a good start without significant drawbacks. I have yet to see a good argument for unfettered access to handguns, semi automatic or otherwise.
Re:
If I remember correctly even Michael Moore, hated by everybody left and right, agrees with you that it's not necessarily only the guns. At the end of Bowling for Columbine he compares the US to Canada and even though Canada does not have a substantially lower number of weapons, relatively speaking, there is much less gun violence.
So, it's a complex issue, who knew? That's not to say that putting stronger controls on guns is a bad start but it's probably not the only answer.