words words words these sorts of thing must really make you think your clever but actually you have no idea what your talking about
you are just trying to make facts from some information that has no soul and the soul is the artist creating the music and his reasons for doing it and weather he actually wants to buy into your stupid idea of how he must now sell his soul to the public to stay alive
i will try not to call you loads of names like DUNB F(*k but thats how i perceve your arrogant perception of how things must be..
please you have no idea what being an artist is all you have done here is try and make yourself sound clever by joining dots the way to think it should be and saying OED to yourself at the end !
you need to find something that you have a talent for and then see if you want others to direct you on how you should be creative in YOUR talent
being an artist is about being different and not becoming a corporate comitty which is what you have discribed and yes this might be a way to survive but you end up kissing arse all the time to make a buck and i would rather trash my suporters who try to tell me what they want from me because im the artist and they can buy or not buy but the art is mine and i wont compromise it for some wanna be music makers that hold the payment to my food..
I would rather starve until i can find those that want my music just because its the music they want to support and not because they can own me and what i want to do for them next!
http://www.markryder.com
true to the scene since 1988 and still doing ok thanks!
Change your computer because all software has bugs and as time goes on they will fix it (for those that are legal)
Its amazing the comments about cracks and torrents from the scummy thieving people who don’t buy the software anyway (which is why the company need to protect it)
If you use windoze computers make a note to self your widows is not wanted anymore. No it’s acceptable to wait for the update so what’s different
Stealing is a crime and protecting your software from thieves who comment about how they wont play it anymore has no values because you steal it anyway go on steal something else instead make a note.
Also your not treated like a criminal because they want to check their software (that’s if its genuine)
Just like all software if you steal your just a scummy person and your comments hold no value to any article about copy write because you don’t buy the products and if you did not steal then expect an update to fix any issues like all the other software in the world.
Nothing is perfect those that have noting to hide will get their updates those that steal will have a harder time playing this as a stolen game.
All games should implement this with an auto save before checking
You really think as customers you’re all that?
You really think you have the power to control rights owners like you are so needed.
When are you people (customers) going to learn you’re just a minority of complainers and you think you run things?
Why do you think companies protect and control their copyrights?
Your comments are ignorant when you say things like 'how stupid warners are' like the little customer you are, doing your 9-5 or signing on the dole, but you know best?
You call them stupid and you act like you: the customer" is in control.
Wake up people your nothing but 1 customer and you are either going to play the game the company wants or your going to go else where and the 'company' is not crying about your 1 little payment
You are far smaller than your internet replies make you feel because there are millions of people who do follow what ever rules the owners of the products want to set so thinking your all that is for your own ego, because your not!
if you take that final choice of stealing others protected products than you’re not only a small insignificant, you’re also a thief.
Complain like you have power but you have nothing but $9.00 for the film and the big companies won't miss your tiny contribution or take your small minded advice on how your will just steal it from a torrent or go somewhere else. I can almost see them reading your stupid comments and laughing and telling jokes about how they need to get your personal sale
Oh dear did I burst your tiny bubble and now you realise all your stupid advice about how you know best is actually laughable. Look at yourself what do you really know and how do you have the inside track on the rights holders and they don't know what they are doing..please you make yourselves sound so stupid!
There problem is not little people like you who talk like you know something but actually don't.
The only problem to rights holders is the thieving community which is and always has been the traits of the lowest of low life and that’s a totally different thing to deal with than some over self important customers
I’m very anti piracy I own lots of music I have made over the years and its mine I have a right to be paid for it "what I want' and other have a right to "buy or not buy" but never steal and don't tell me what price I have to charge as its mine I’ll charge what I like you don't have to buy and you should not threaten me by stealing unless I drop the price.
With this in your mind about me I am thinking out load now on this subject.
If it possible to post a list of peoples names and addresses online and any other data relating to when they are out of their house (at work or on holiday) maybe their credit card details and other data so that thieves could go round and steal their possessions or use their information to steal?
I wonder if a judge or the people on the list would appreciate that information being out an if they were burgled would I be to blame for making it possible? Or would the judge say I only provide the information i’m not the thief?
Because if i’m only supplying the info then i’m not doing anything wrong? Hmm. its not my fault if a stranger decides to break into your house when you at work or steal using your credit card data you have to catch the thief don’t you?
The pirate bay is the supplier of information whos purpose is to encourage illegal activities and they do it knowingly come on the name is not a mistake "PIRATE! Bay"
Think about putting yourself on the end of the rope for a change and see if you like being the victim
Don’t steal and there should be a low to stop suppliers of information that clearly helps people to steal, as they should be held accountable for their reasons to supply such information
And finally for those too ignorant to realize it. I have no intention of doing what I purposed its just a way for you to see how stealing can affect you personally if someone could make information available about you for thieves to prey on
Anyone going to set up “CREDIT CARD INFORMATION BAY”
Your quotes are the a real and educated view at last something that’s real and true even if you could not think of them your self and needed someone with a brain to express.
Now we have to find a way to express an experience in different ways and its not easy anymore I have been trying for the last 5 years on a 6 album project that’s almost completed I will never accept thieving is ok for promotion I live for my music and I work hard to achieve the gods I set myself I don’t care if people don’t support me because I call them a thief because that’s what the truth is if you steal another persons work I don’t need to be surrounded by thieves that love my music and I don’t care what backlash it gets me because i’m an artist and as such my art is the work and it has value imp not a slave to the public of my fans they follow if thy chose but if they steal they are not fans or supporters they are thieves.
I will control my work because its my baby I will protect it from thieving low life’s where ever I can because its mine those that buy it only license it they never on it
One day this will be the way again and excuses about fat cats and corporations will not stand because the artist want to control their work how they see fit i’m added value and I don’t tolerate thieves I don’t need your help support or promotion and I hope you music thieves all get put in prison for being the common low life criminals you have to realise that you truly are
my albums are a bigger trip but its not about t-shirts and ROI on merchandise its about a trip through the musical world and hopefully people will want to buy it and not steal
suits suits suits suits.. What a load of utter cr*P
Where is the music gone? Is all this rubbish sales man talk? Music please and FU&K all the other income revenue streams based of a year per dumb with slice of a pie chat! ARRR..
Get real music is the value and music is the experience the rest is for sales men and number crunchers!!
Support the artist = buy the music!! End of
Go to a fashion designer for a t-shirt or coffee mug that’s not music that’s something totally not music
Mike Masnick I see you write a lot of stuff on many subjects so you must just be getting paid to do it so how about I just pass all the stuff you write to all the papers everywhere for free publication I won't bother putting your name to it I’ll just copy what I want and maybe even sell it on to any mag that will pay for these rubbish articles that stir up people only due to their dumb comments.
You see you must want to get paid for writing this dross and if everyone treated your work as you so quickly dismiss others I bet you would really want drm and a way to control your income supply.
Yes there is always some geek that can break protection but why not take your comments to the extreme and take all the locks off your house because it’s a waste of your money to invest in trying to protect your home.
Your either a very stupid person or its your intention to write rubbish to get comments? Either way your doing it to get paid an so there is a value in it for you so if its stolen and you can no longer get paid to do it then how long could you continue with it l?
Piracy is a crime and people have a right to be paid for the work they do and no one has the right to say they cant or should not be paid of try to protect their work from thieves
look people will steal and we try to stop it but if you don't have a terms of use you don't have a leg to stand on
so by making a statement of how you want your copyright material used is telling everyone how they should use it even if you do not have the means to secure it from theft don't mean you want it stolen.
further down the line courts will know by who makes it clear now what rights are give and so with terms and conditions of use it will be clear to see who has abused those conditions..
just because someones front door is open dosn't mean you can enter and take what you want! and so go's this story just because they don't close every access point dosn't mean they can not tell you don't access this way as you will be stealing from us..
@ richard
ignorans is not a form of defence in the uk also if you downloading the latest blockbuster you know what your doing even music for that matter
"deep packet inspection, which means that it can identify actual file-names, making it possible to accurately find out what content is legal and what is not."
@all file sharers
If you play the game of illegal file sharing (stealing) then serves you right your a common thief why deny it and moan because they are trying to catch you the rights of honest people do fall into question but its always those right the thieves use to escape their fate. We should tattoo all tracked file sharers across the fore head "i'm a Thief" so that when they complain about their rights we know they don’t deserver those rights
file sharing or gang or bin larden
all of them are in the same bag they just have a different pr..they are thieves and they use others work for profit so they can continue to be thieves so the are all bad and need shooting on sicht!
I keep reading your weird views on the Internet and music and you just don’t get it its annoying because you act like you know something but clearly you have no idea?
I’m not sure of your history in the music business for you to air your righteous sounding but totally non-intelligent views on this subject but to me you sound like a punter rather than a music maker or distributor of music. Your view is so UN knowledgeable of how music works?
Do you just write these things for the money or have you got a vested interest in the topic you write?
All the time it’s how easy it is to get music and it obviously better for the artists and not the record companies and more people are making music so that is good.
Dude since the beginning of time people have been making music in their heads so no more people make music now than since the beginning of time the art is in making good music into something that people want to get involved with and that people actually want to buy and that’s become harder to find because people like you seem to think everything is everywhere and so everyone can find everything they want and music is only the bit you like and nothing more.
That’s is not the case
I have been battling with giving iTunes my music since 2000 that’s just before the iPod was released I have a vast catalogue of underground dance music and they offered me a contract to distribute it I declined because .40 pence was stupid for a track and I wanted to sell albums so people got the whole project, ever since then its been the same thing with iTunes and me until recently I accepted a deal but still i’m reluctant to put my music on there because they really have killed the concept of an artist creation (which is an album)
And don’t come with that rubbish about how only a few records are good on an album and that’s the music company’s fault because you show your ignorance with comments like that.
An artist makes an album thru their art and they don’t banter to the public unless they are a pop band bantering to a pop fan base
Generally the artist is making all the music how they want it to sound
Just because you think there is only one hit on it doesn’t mean it full of rubbish it just means you don’t get it
May people buy an album and don’t get it but after a few play they do and that’s the magic of an artist to get the message they want across not the message YOU expect from them
But the artist gets what they are doing in n album and they want other to get it. People like you who just want the pop hit are not truly supporting the artists work or trying to understand it you just want to cut and run and that is exactly the iTunes model so please don’t diminish a respected report from someone who has some credibility with their view.
Has iTunes made being a real artist difficult? YES
Has it helped kill the album? Definitely!
Do people like you understand what you going on about? I don’t think so
Are albums full of rubbish and only one good track? Only to people like you!
If you are writing articles like this you need to put up your credentials so people can judge weather you are just a blabber of words of someone with a history to voice some real opinion!
I’m 20 years of success as an underground artist/producer Google me.
how many way can it be said don't make excuses for stealing and don't try and make out its a good thing next you will be mugging a granny and explaining how it helps keep the police in business..
one again
You steal then you are a thief .. the evolution is not positive its negative
have you got it yet
you steal a music work then that is stolen and if you did it then you are a thief!
wake up your only fooling yourselves with your rubbish excuses
Your a salesman telling people how to become sales men but i’m an Artist and my work is my art if I want to personally take people to my gig to sell records I am now a cab driver pimping my music so i’m a cab drive and a sales man (maybe i’m not an artist at all just a desperate sad act)
This stuff is totally bull your article is about how to sell things (non music) in a changing market or how to do the job of the record company as you have it all on your shoulders so go wipe peoples butts to get ahead!
I know everyone can be a artist but i’m not buying your comments one iota this stuff is for those that need to sell their soul before selling their music.
“It’s the future go kiss some strangers butt and then they might buy your music”
Sorry that's never has been the ARTISTS way. And before you say things are changing I know they are but good music will find its audience without the artist kissing the baby to get the vote!
If you make good music then word will spread I have spend 20 years making my version of good music and NEVER!! Promoting it in any form you mention nor in any of the know PR old ways and its been from the UK official 1 chart position to every where else. In the pop charts and underground charts.
I have always been an independent and have never followed the music rules this digital change is hard but selling your soul to make money is not the way of an artist
Being an artist is not about being a sales man it’s about making great music and finding your audience. It’s not about some stupid computer chip cover to sell music or about being a cab drive and wiping peoples butt.
You people really think you know everything and your advice stinks to real artist. This stuff is for those wanna be "how can I make money and be famous” people
If you are a passionate artist just follow your own path do what you want to do around your music that’s about your music and remember it’s the music that’s important but selling you soul is not the answer
The term struggling artist is because we struggle with the art and success from being artists not success from being marketing moguls
Express your music in the ways you feel is for your music and yes there’s many new ways to do this but don’t banter to the public or you will lose your music independence
If you want people to buy your music and not steal it then that’s how it has to be
Stand up and tell people you don’t like thieving lowlifes who steal music.
Yeah you wont make friends but then, who want thieving friends,
How important to you is the money against the art?
Too many people are too fast to say this is the new way and it is now and that’s total rubbish
This is a changing market but if you all act like wimpy sheep then a few might become great but the quality of the art will die as you all become t-shirt manufactures i’m sure some of you even make music by request. Wow that must be so gratifying. *sarcastic*
Art is personal, artists are not exchanging being puppets to major labels to now being puppets to their supporters.
Music has a value and its not in the cab drive service or the fancy t-shit, they are not the business of music they are any other retail business which is just about making money.
I want to make money-SELLING MUSIC and I will because my music is good and I don’t except that the new way is to get a sale on a t-shirt.
My music is my product and if people steal it then they are scum and if I lose so called ‘fans’ then fine I don’t invite thieves into my house I don’t want to be involved with them
I don’t accept your views and the new way for real artists is to act like desperate do anything to make money and be famous people
You steal then you’re a thief and don’t be convinced it’s a means to an end as the end is the art (the music) everything else is a means to make money on the back of the music (if that’s the only way you can do it)
I live for my music and it has value and its mine and I don’t need a million thieving 'fans' and 5 thousand paying I would rather have 3 thousand paying fans and no thieving ones and I don’t need a million to make money anyone can do the math how many albums do I need to sell to be rich?
If I have 3 thousand paying fans buying 1 album at £10.00 that 30G and that’s before royalties from radio ect..
The world is full of pub singers and wanna bee’s who need those ‘get rich quick’ blogs like this to see if they can pimp themselves to stardom
If you can’t make it work on the quality of your music then you give it away and pray you find someone who likes it that might buy into your other products like that new tea maker with your logo on it or that new set of paper clips with the dancing snow man…its not music dude!
And anyway giving away all your music to create a live paying gig …ahem? This model I call music spam and giving away music in this way is just crossing your fingers and hoping your spam will circulate so you can sell a t-shirt of get a booking again this is all sales mans tricks!
I want those that see the value in just the music and don’t want the thieving fans that still call themselves a supporter of my music.
If the music industry want to sue thieves so they get educated then that’s fine as one they are educated then the world will fall back into place and people will buy music. What will all you sales men do then?
Dude take a step back all you are telling people how to sell things to make money not how to truly be creative and build a real fan base from MUSIC.
P.s. it’s about time someone told it like it should be!
Mark Ryder
http:/www.ukunderground.com
My shop is not yet live but as my music is not being spammed and only legally available TO BUY on my shop and iTunes no other online store will have it and so its not over kill or spamming those that know will come this is my model as I believe in my art that’s the way forward.
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what a load of ignorat comments
you lot need to get educated!
what a load of rubbish from another bofin with no idea
words words words these sorts of thing must really make you think your clever but actually you have no idea what your talking about you are just trying to make facts from some information that has no soul and the soul is the artist creating the music and his reasons for doing it and weather he actually wants to buy into your stupid idea of how he must now sell his soul to the public to stay alive i will try not to call you loads of names like DUNB F(*k but thats how i perceve your arrogant perception of how things must be.. please you have no idea what being an artist is all you have done here is try and make yourself sound clever by joining dots the way to think it should be and saying OED to yourself at the end ! you need to find something that you have a talent for and then see if you want others to direct you on how you should be creative in YOUR talent being an artist is about being different and not becoming a corporate comitty which is what you have discribed and yes this might be a way to survive but you end up kissing arse all the time to make a buck and i would rather trash my suporters who try to tell me what they want from me because im the artist and they can buy or not buy but the art is mine and i wont compromise it for some wanna be music makers that hold the payment to my food.. I would rather starve until i can find those that want my music just because its the music they want to support and not because they can own me and what i want to do for them next! http://www.markryder.com true to the scene since 1988 and still doing ok thanks!
not to all those stupid posters saying they will steal it
Change your computer because all software has bugs and as time goes on they will fix it (for those that are legal)
Its amazing the comments about cracks and torrents from the scummy thieving people who don’t buy the software anyway (which is why the company need to protect it)
If you use windoze computers make a note to self your widows is not wanted anymore. No it’s acceptable to wait for the update so what’s different
Stealing is a crime and protecting your software from thieves who comment about how they wont play it anymore has no values because you steal it anyway go on steal something else instead make a note.
Also your not treated like a criminal because they want to check their software (that’s if its genuine)
Just like all software if you steal your just a scummy person and your comments hold no value to any article about copy write because you don’t buy the products and if you did not steal then expect an update to fix any issues like all the other software in the world.
Nothing is perfect those that have noting to hide will get their updates those that steal will have a harder time playing this as a stolen game.
All games should implement this with an auto save before checking
Mark Ryder
Strictly underground
when are you stupid people ever going to learn NO NOT WARNER ..YOU CUSTOMERS
You really think as customers you’re all that?
You really think you have the power to control rights owners like you are so needed.
When are you people (customers) going to learn you’re just a minority of complainers and you think you run things?
Why do you think companies protect and control their copyrights?
Your comments are ignorant when you say things like 'how stupid warners are' like the little customer you are, doing your 9-5 or signing on the dole, but you know best?
You call them stupid and you act like you: the customer" is in control.
Wake up people your nothing but 1 customer and you are either going to play the game the company wants or your going to go else where and the 'company' is not crying about your 1 little payment
You are far smaller than your internet replies make you feel because there are millions of people who do follow what ever rules the owners of the products want to set so thinking your all that is for your own ego, because your not!
if you take that final choice of stealing others protected products than you’re not only a small insignificant, you’re also a thief.
Complain like you have power but you have nothing but $9.00 for the film and the big companies won't miss your tiny contribution or take your small minded advice on how your will just steal it from a torrent or go somewhere else. I can almost see them reading your stupid comments and laughing and telling jokes about how they need to get your personal sale
Oh dear did I burst your tiny bubble and now you realise all your stupid advice about how you know best is actually laughable. Look at yourself what do you really know and how do you have the inside track on the rights holders and they don't know what they are doing..please you make yourselves sound so stupid!
There problem is not little people like you who talk like you know something but actually don't.
The only problem to rights holders is the thieving community which is and always has been the traits of the lowest of low life and that’s a totally different thing to deal with than some over self important customers
Mark Ryder
http://www.ukunderground.com
wtf
i had something to say but after reading all the stupid replies i forgot what the article was about ?
someone need to kick the off topic arguments out
just thinking allowd here
I’m very anti piracy I own lots of music I have made over the years and its mine I have a right to be paid for it "what I want' and other have a right to "buy or not buy" but never steal and don't tell me what price I have to charge as its mine I’ll charge what I like you don't have to buy and you should not threaten me by stealing unless I drop the price.
With this in your mind about me I am thinking out load now on this subject.
If it possible to post a list of peoples names and addresses online and any other data relating to when they are out of their house (at work or on holiday) maybe their credit card details and other data so that thieves could go round and steal their possessions or use their information to steal?
I wonder if a judge or the people on the list would appreciate that information being out an if they were burgled would I be to blame for making it possible? Or would the judge say I only provide the information i’m not the thief?
Because if i’m only supplying the info then i’m not doing anything wrong? Hmm. its not my fault if a stranger decides to break into your house when you at work or steal using your credit card data you have to catch the thief don’t you?
The pirate bay is the supplier of information whos purpose is to encourage illegal activities and they do it knowingly come on the name is not a mistake "PIRATE! Bay"
Think about putting yourself on the end of the rope for a change and see if you like being the victim
Don’t steal and there should be a low to stop suppliers of information that clearly helps people to steal, as they should be held accountable for their reasons to supply such information
And finally for those too ignorant to realize it. I have no intention of doing what I purposed its just a way for you to see how stealing can affect you personally if someone could make information available about you for thieves to prey on
Anyone going to set up “CREDIT CARD INFORMATION BAY”
LOL
Mark Ryder
www.Ukunderground.com
the first thing you have ever said thats good and you did not say it..
Your quotes are the a real and educated view at last something that’s real and true even if you could not think of them your self and needed someone with a brain to express.
Now we have to find a way to express an experience in different ways and its not easy anymore I have been trying for the last 5 years on a 6 album project that’s almost completed I will never accept thieving is ok for promotion I live for my music and I work hard to achieve the gods I set myself I don’t care if people don’t support me because I call them a thief because that’s what the truth is if you steal another persons work I don’t need to be surrounded by thieves that love my music and I don’t care what backlash it gets me because i’m an artist and as such my art is the work and it has value imp not a slave to the public of my fans they follow if thy chose but if they steal they are not fans or supporters they are thieves.
I will control my work because its my baby I will protect it from thieving low life’s where ever I can because its mine those that buy it only license it they never on it
One day this will be the way again and excuses about fat cats and corporations will not stand because the artist want to control their work how they see fit i’m added value and I don’t tolerate thieves I don’t need your help support or promotion and I hope you music thieves all get put in prison for being the common low life criminals you have to realise that you truly are
my albums are a bigger trip but its not about t-shirts and ROI on merchandise its about a trip through the musical world and hopefully people will want to buy it and not steal
http://www.youtube/markryder
AAAARRRRRR!!!
suits suits suits suits.. What a load of utter cr*P
Where is the music gone? Is all this rubbish sales man talk? Music please and FU&K all the other income revenue streams based of a year per dumb with slice of a pie chat! ARRR..
Get real music is the value and music is the experience the rest is for sales men and number crunchers!!
Support the artist = buy the music!! End of
Go to a fashion designer for a t-shirt or coffee mug that’s not music that’s something totally not music
Mike your either a real full on twit or ?..
Mike Masnick I see you write a lot of stuff on many subjects so you must just be getting paid to do it so how about I just pass all the stuff you write to all the papers everywhere for free publication I won't bother putting your name to it I’ll just copy what I want and maybe even sell it on to any mag that will pay for these rubbish articles that stir up people only due to their dumb comments.
You see you must want to get paid for writing this dross and if everyone treated your work as you so quickly dismiss others I bet you would really want drm and a way to control your income supply.
Yes there is always some geek that can break protection but why not take your comments to the extreme and take all the locks off your house because it’s a waste of your money to invest in trying to protect your home.
Your either a very stupid person or its your intention to write rubbish to get comments? Either way your doing it to get paid an so there is a value in it for you so if its stolen and you can no longer get paid to do it then how long could you continue with it l?
Piracy is a crime and people have a right to be paid for the work they do and no one has the right to say they cant or should not be paid of try to protect their work from thieves
your wrong again
look people will steal and we try to stop it but if you don't have a terms of use you don't have a leg to stand on
so by making a statement of how you want your copyright material used is telling everyone how they should use it even if you do not have the means to secure it from theft don't mean you want it stolen.
further down the line courts will know by who makes it clear now what rights are give and so with terms and conditions of use it will be clear to see who has abused those conditions..
just because someones front door is open dosn't mean you can enter and take what you want! and so go's this story just because they don't close every access point dosn't mean they can not tell you don't access this way as you will be stealing from us..
pay for what you use!
http://www.ukunderground.com
two word for him
DI*K HEAD
'file sharing' is a nice word for 'thieving'
@ richard
ignorans is not a form of defence in the uk also if you downloading the latest blockbuster you know what your doing even music for that matter
"deep packet inspection, which means that it can identify actual file-names, making it possible to accurately find out what content is legal and what is not."
@all file sharers
If you play the game of illegal file sharing (stealing) then serves you right your a common thief why deny it and moan because they are trying to catch you the rights of honest people do fall into question but its always those right the thieves use to escape their fate. We should tattoo all tracked file sharers across the fore head "i'm a Thief" so that when they complain about their rights we know they don’t deserver those rights
file sharing or gang or bin larden
all of them are in the same bag they just have a different pr..they are thieves and they use others work for profit so they can continue to be thieves so the are all bad and need shooting on sicht!
mike masnick you talk an argument that wrong
I keep reading your weird views on the Internet and music and you just don’t get it its annoying because you act like you know something but clearly you have no idea?
I’m not sure of your history in the music business for you to air your righteous sounding but totally non-intelligent views on this subject but to me you sound like a punter rather than a music maker or distributor of music. Your view is so UN knowledgeable of how music works?
Do you just write these things for the money or have you got a vested interest in the topic you write?
All the time it’s how easy it is to get music and it obviously better for the artists and not the record companies and more people are making music so that is good.
Dude since the beginning of time people have been making music in their heads so no more people make music now than since the beginning of time the art is in making good music into something that people want to get involved with and that people actually want to buy and that’s become harder to find because people like you seem to think everything is everywhere and so everyone can find everything they want and music is only the bit you like and nothing more.
That’s is not the case
I have been battling with giving iTunes my music since 2000 that’s just before the iPod was released I have a vast catalogue of underground dance music and they offered me a contract to distribute it I declined because .40 pence was stupid for a track and I wanted to sell albums so people got the whole project, ever since then its been the same thing with iTunes and me until recently I accepted a deal but still i’m reluctant to put my music on there because they really have killed the concept of an artist creation (which is an album)
And don’t come with that rubbish about how only a few records are good on an album and that’s the music company’s fault because you show your ignorance with comments like that.
An artist makes an album thru their art and they don’t banter to the public unless they are a pop band bantering to a pop fan base
Generally the artist is making all the music how they want it to sound
Just because you think there is only one hit on it doesn’t mean it full of rubbish it just means you don’t get it
May people buy an album and don’t get it but after a few play they do and that’s the magic of an artist to get the message they want across not the message YOU expect from them
But the artist gets what they are doing in n album and they want other to get it. People like you who just want the pop hit are not truly supporting the artists work or trying to understand it you just want to cut and run and that is exactly the iTunes model so please don’t diminish a respected report from someone who has some credibility with their view.
Has iTunes made being a real artist difficult? YES
Has it helped kill the album? Definitely!
Do people like you understand what you going on about? I don’t think so
Are albums full of rubbish and only one good track? Only to people like you!
If you are writing articles like this you need to put up your credentials so people can judge weather you are just a blabber of words of someone with a history to voice some real opinion!
I’m 20 years of success as an underground artist/producer Google me.
http://www.ukunderground.com
excuses the lot of you
if you steal then you are a thief thats it!
steal = thief
do you steal ? then you are a thief
how many way can it be said don't make excuses for stealing and don't try and make out its a good thing next you will be mugging a granny and explaining how it helps keep the police in business..
one again
You steal then you are a thief .. the evolution is not positive its negative
have you got it yet
you steal a music work then that is stolen and if you did it then you are a thief!
wake up your only fooling yourselves with your rubbish excuses
you think you have the answers but actually you dont! everything has to be done
Not impressed at all
Your a salesman telling people how to become sales men but i’m an Artist and my work is my art if I want to personally take people to my gig to sell records I am now a cab driver pimping my music so i’m a cab drive and a sales man (maybe i’m not an artist at all just a desperate sad act)
This stuff is totally bull your article is about how to sell things (non music) in a changing market or how to do the job of the record company as you have it all on your shoulders so go wipe peoples butts to get ahead!
I know everyone can be a artist but i’m not buying your comments one iota this stuff is for those that need to sell their soul before selling their music.
“It’s the future go kiss some strangers butt and then they might buy your music”
Sorry that's never has been the ARTISTS way. And before you say things are changing I know they are but good music will find its audience without the artist kissing the baby to get the vote!
If you make good music then word will spread I have spend 20 years making my version of good music and NEVER!! Promoting it in any form you mention nor in any of the know PR old ways and its been from the UK official 1 chart position to every where else. In the pop charts and underground charts.
I have always been an independent and have never followed the music rules this digital change is hard but selling your soul to make money is not the way of an artist
Being an artist is not about being a sales man it’s about making great music and finding your audience. It’s not about some stupid computer chip cover to sell music or about being a cab drive and wiping peoples butt.
You people really think you know everything and your advice stinks to real artist. This stuff is for those wanna be "how can I make money and be famous” people
If you are a passionate artist just follow your own path do what you want to do around your music that’s about your music and remember it’s the music that’s important but selling you soul is not the answer
The term struggling artist is because we struggle with the art and success from being artists not success from being marketing moguls
Express your music in the ways you feel is for your music and yes there’s many new ways to do this but don’t banter to the public or you will lose your music independence
If you want people to buy your music and not steal it then that’s how it has to be
Stand up and tell people you don’t like thieving lowlifes who steal music.
Yeah you wont make friends but then, who want thieving friends,
How important to you is the money against the art?
Too many people are too fast to say this is the new way and it is now and that’s total rubbish
This is a changing market but if you all act like wimpy sheep then a few might become great but the quality of the art will die as you all become t-shirt manufactures i’m sure some of you even make music by request. Wow that must be so gratifying. *sarcastic*
Art is personal, artists are not exchanging being puppets to major labels to now being puppets to their supporters.
Music has a value and its not in the cab drive service or the fancy t-shit, they are not the business of music they are any other retail business which is just about making money.
I want to make money-SELLING MUSIC and I will because my music is good and I don’t except that the new way is to get a sale on a t-shirt.
My music is my product and if people steal it then they are scum and if I lose so called ‘fans’ then fine I don’t invite thieves into my house I don’t want to be involved with them
I don’t accept your views and the new way for real artists is to act like desperate do anything to make money and be famous people
You steal then you’re a thief and don’t be convinced it’s a means to an end as the end is the art (the music) everything else is a means to make money on the back of the music (if that’s the only way you can do it)
I live for my music and it has value and its mine and I don’t need a million thieving 'fans' and 5 thousand paying I would rather have 3 thousand paying fans and no thieving ones and I don’t need a million to make money anyone can do the math how many albums do I need to sell to be rich?
If I have 3 thousand paying fans buying 1 album at £10.00 that 30G and that’s before royalties from radio ect..
The world is full of pub singers and wanna bee’s who need those ‘get rich quick’ blogs like this to see if they can pimp themselves to stardom
If you can’t make it work on the quality of your music then you give it away and pray you find someone who likes it that might buy into your other products like that new tea maker with your logo on it or that new set of paper clips with the dancing snow man…its not music dude!
And anyway giving away all your music to create a live paying gig …ahem? This model I call music spam and giving away music in this way is just crossing your fingers and hoping your spam will circulate so you can sell a t-shirt of get a booking again this is all sales mans tricks!
I want those that see the value in just the music and don’t want the thieving fans that still call themselves a supporter of my music.
If the music industry want to sue thieves so they get educated then that’s fine as one they are educated then the world will fall back into place and people will buy music. What will all you sales men do then?
Dude take a step back all you are telling people how to sell things to make money not how to truly be creative and build a real fan base from MUSIC.
P.s. it’s about time someone told it like it should be!
Mark Ryder
http:/www.ukunderground.com
My shop is not yet live but as my music is not being spammed and only legally available TO BUY on my shop and iTunes no other online store will have it and so its not over kill or spamming those that know will come this is my model as I believe in my art that’s the way forward.