I was singed out but the above post is mine.
If someone were to tell you to act like God exists and to bet on the fact. But not believe that He does exist but try and seek Him out. Then it would be Pascals Wager.
Unlike Pascal I am telling you to repent and to truly believe because God exists. To trust in God and have faith that God exists. Not just as a hypocrite say one thing and believe another. God can see into your heart and will know the truth.
Pascal was a hypocrite who thought he could cheat the system. Unless he had true faith and trust in the redemptive work of Christ he is in hell.
Part of what the is saying is true. If a Christian is wrong and the atheist is right, that nothing happens after we die, then the Christian has no consequences for being wrong. But on the other hand if the Christian is correct the Atheist has a lot of consequences for being wrong.
That does not mean that I am suggesting that out of fear that someone fake faith, just say they believe but not really believe, or try to game the system. I doubt that such would actually be belief but only a hypocritical statement or thought.
But know that if you have committed even one sin you are on the road to hell. Repent now and trust in the redemptive work of Christ.
Nice try , taking words out of context and trying to make them say something different.
I cant force anyone to believe anything. No one can, you might be able to get someone to say they believe, but there is no way of telling if they do or not except by their actions.
I am not insulting anyone and if they fear something that isn't something that would be accomplished by my actions but by their own.
Gods word says to warn sinners of the path that they are on.
All men have committed sin, all unrepentant sinners will go to hell. Repent not and trust in Christ.
In the old testament the word can be translated as hell, grave or the pit as Hebrew isn't a precise language in when dealing with the word. But your idea that it can only mean the two meanings you supply is wrong and will not fit into such passages as Deuteronomy 32:22 or Job 11:8 which contrasts heaven and hell. There are numerous passages like that.
You also have chosen to only deal with the old testament as the new was written in Greek and has a few words translated as hell. One is αδης or hades. In Luke 16:23 and forward we read that the rich man was in αδης or hades in torment of the flames.
@art guerrilla (profile), Aug 31st, 2013 @ 4:09am
More factual questions designed to keep you in your sin and on the road to hell.
All men are sinners. Repent today and trust in Christs work of redemption.
@art guerrilla (profile), Aug 31st, 2013 @ 4:01am
Logic, twisted by the sin in man is no help. You cant win an argument and convince people to believe. Just as you cant win some point and make me not believe. All you are doing is making it harder to admi you are the sinner and there is only one way off the path to hell..
All people are sinners. Repent of your sins today. Trust in Christs work of redemption.
@That One Guy (profile), Aug 30th, 2013 @ 10:30pm
Keep arguing and trying to find a way off of the path to hell. But there is only one way. Repent of your sins today. You cant dictate to God what you want or argue against His plan and hope to win.
@That One Guy (profile), Aug 30th, 2013 @ 10:25pm
You seem to be under some strange idea that this is a debate and you can win it. All you have to do is stick to some so called facts and you can win the battle of faith. That you can avoid the fact that all people are sinners and eventually if they die in their sins they will go to hell.
I dont have to prove anything to you. I dont have to win any debate. Faith isnt won in a debate. No one can make you believe by winning an argument in which you continue to resist one simple fact. All have sinned.
So go ahead and fill up pages of arguments. All that will happen is I will still believe and if you do not repent you will go to hell.
@art guerrilla (profile), Aug 31st, 2013 @ 3:54am
Repent of your sins today.
@art guerrilla (profile), Aug 31st, 2013 @ 3:48am
I was wondering when someone would pull out a part of scripture, out of context and try and use it. Your quote is meant to teach against hypocrisy. Not a rule to never point out the sin of others and call them to repent. You also seem to not have read the posts where I call myself a sinner, which I am. All men are sinners. Only Christians have repented of the sin we do, and trust in Christs work of redemption.
@That One Guy (profile), Aug 30th, 2013 @ 7:57pm
That isnt an argument designed win some sort of discussion but a warning. You cant by facts convince someone to believe of not to believe. Your continued denial of this is interesting in that you continue to put forth more of them.
@art guerrilla (profile), Aug 31st, 2013 @ 3:45am
You appear to be yet another sinner who thinks they can win some sort of debate and feel better while living in sin. Repent now.
@That One Guy (profile), Aug 30th, 2013 @ 4:11pm
I am well aware I am most likely dealing with sin hardened adults who are on the road to hell of their own choosing. Perhaps one will be converted down the road after God has used the law over time. Sometimes its not one chop of an ax that cuts down the tree but a thousand little cuts.
After all I was thinking close to the same thing in my 30's, living a life full of sin, but the Lord guided me back to the church.
No what it is is the sinful mind of man trying to use its sin corrupted reason in an attempt to ignore the path to hell they are on.
Faith is not facts and it isnt something generated by arguing with someone trying to convince a hardened hart to believe. Sadly you may never believe and if you have committed even one sin in your life you will pay the ultimate price for all eternity. Repent now before you die in your sins.
What I am not going to get into is an argument of so called facts with you. I am not here to convince you that God exists. I am not here to engage you in some battle of wits where you try to box me into a corner and say that you are right in the end because of some tally of factual points.
Faith cannot be gained by debating facts with someone who does not want to believe but stubbornly resists God.I am here but to warn you of the path I see you on. If you choose to resist God and stay on the road to hell you will end up there. Repent of your sins before its to late.
@That One Guy (profile), Aug 30th, 2013 @ 4:38pm
That would be an intentional sin. People who intentionally sin are not Christians, they are hypocrites.
You cant receive something from someone you deny exists. You deny the gift when you deny the existence of God who wants to give it to you. There is no ultimatum. You cant make yourself believe in God. It isn't just saying "I Believe" There is no magic words to save you from the sin we all commit. You actually have to believe, and for some people they have hardened their harts so much they may never believe.
@That One Guy (profile), Aug 30th, 2013 @ 3:58pm
Yet another person who thinks they can win some kind of argument and prove that God does not exist. Your wasting your time.
You wont spend any part of eternity near God, but in the torments of Hell. Thats what we all deserve because of the sin we do.
There is no work or price asked of God, only that you accept that he is there and has paid the price for your sin. By denying that He exists you deny what He has done for you. After all you cant receive something from someone you say doesn't exist. Faith receives what God offers to sinful mankind.
But I havent suggested any such thing, that seeming is only in your own mind.
Dont think this is some mental exorcise that can be won by a battle of facts, faith is not facts. Thats so called science that is full of things taken on faith because they cant be proven or demonstrated.
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No, Pascal's Wager says that because of fear you hypocritically say you believe, and then try and seek after God. That would not work, fear is not a good motivator and true faith must exist not just hypocritically saying you do. But dont let what Pascal's Wager says stop you from applying it wrongly, I like it when people do that.
The response you are replying to isnt trying to make someone fear but debunking the idea that they could tough it out in hell. Most people cant stand flame for more than a few seconds.