He was barred from a public road and threatened with arrest? That didn't both the judge at all? Did this guy cross the police line? I could give two craps about the freedom of the press issue. As far as I can concerned freedom of the press is just freedom of speach and nothing extra but barring someone from taking pictures in public and threatening them with arrest if they don't leave a public place is a little over the top.
Can you imagine have every computer in China reporting back what it does and when? How the heck would you even deal with that data? I would think it would just be so much data that the noise totally overwelms any signel you hope to get.
I am happy to the the FTC do this for what sears did, so now how about Cell phones, power companies, cable companies, Auto loans, Home loans, leases or anything else you have to sign a contract for.
It is far to often that a company uses licence agreements to change rates or add fees and then just refer back to some bit of the contract that you never saw or would have understood if you had the chance. For example Cable companies get away with charging early termination fees on a 'contract' that you never signed or saw.
It always suprised me how seldom the FTC or the FCC goes after large companies that could change the way the industry behaves in stuff like this.
Why is it that you feel like if the old media is not being held to account (Although I suspect they would find anything they post to their web sites under the same 'critical' eye) that no one else should be?
Don't get me wrong I think both sides should be held to account and full discloser is never a bad idea. But you seem to think that because they don't have to do it, you shouldn't have to either. Well it's not right when they don't do it and it's not right when a blogger does it either.
I have noticed over time reading this site that you seem to think that the internet is special. That somehow things that you would expect and want from one source is ok to not get when you are on the internet just because it's the internet.
Everyone should have to use full discloser, print media, internet, cable news, etc. And to say 'but they don't have to' just makes you sound like a child.
Why is it always about 'artists'? Why is it that some people get to continue to be paid for the work they did and others have to produce more work each day in order to make more money. How is it that someone who paints is better than someone that builds fine cabinets or engineers networks? What makes any of these people think they should get paid for work more than once? I spent years putting together the servers, firewalls, routers, proxies, APS, etc here where I work. How come I have to come to work each day? Shouldn't this company pay me for all the work I already did?
I hate to say it guys but at least the part of the internet being a fad is correct in a Ben Kenobi kind of way. Much like writing on walls, radio, fax machines, and vhs systems before it, sometime in the future it will become mostly irrelevant and finally become completely irrelevant to its original purpose. I know it seems pretty crazy now to think that there is anything more flexible and useful than the internet is or how there could ever be, but there will be. I don't know what it is, but I do know in the history of man every time we have said "That's it, it's perfect and can't get better than that" we were wrong.
They need to go to jail. Anyone in charge needs to go to jail. Most of the people working the phones need to go to jail cause I have done some legal telemarketing in my day and everyone knows what the 'scam' is. (It was the 90s, laws where loose on who we could call and we did deliver the product we sold them, just didn't cost us much to make) Getting the money back to people would be nice, but first let’s start putting them in jail. Once a few dozen of them are in jail the next guys will think twice, and these boiler room call centers will be much harder to staff.
And umm where the frak was the FCC/FBI. I mean how many months does this go on before they start worring about enforcing the law? $10 million before they really do anything. They are using the public phone network it couldn't be that hard to find them.
Oh yes sir I agree completely. But Justice and the law are not the same thing. In this care as much as it pains me to see the law twisted, I think Justice is being served.
Justice is not the law and I think it's important to remember that. Shock and outrage by the general public to a behavior that is unethical does not preclude the court from ruling in either direction. In a case where a grown woman bullied a child even if it didn't result in a Childs death given anything but a harsh punishment would be the travesty of justice everyone is looking for.
The law is being twisted here and that is a shame when there are laws that would have worked just as well (child endangerment). I worry about what a ruling like this means for the future, but let’s not confuse twisting the law with an injustice.
People should have access to see anythign in a public place
I don't care if it's a crime scene or not. If they are in a public space and not disrupting to crime scene there is no reason at all they should be asked to leave. As I understand it there was not police tape up, and it was in plane view on a public highway. Giving the officers the right to prevent someone from taking pictures at a crime scene opens us up to the police saying you can't take pictures of them in the line of duty if they are in the process of dealing with any kind of crime.
So for example while the police beat some guy on the road, you are not allowed to take pictures and they have the right to detain you because it's an active crime scene.
Police should never be able to run someone off off public property unless they are comitting a crime. Handcuffs used on anyone by the police that is then not charged should be considered a crime. Police should be held to a higher standard than the average citizen, and it's just a shame that they seem to always get away with anything they want.