one problem, Health Insurance can not be bought across state lines, and the Commerce Clause was designed for the Federal Government to make sure states did not tax each others goods (like tariffs). So it would be a huge stretch to get it under that clause.
except it is you who does not understand, the Supreme court and the Executive Branch has set precedent in the past that the welfare of the people must be equal all across the nation, this means the Corn Husker and Louisana buy offs are unconstititutional (as sited 47 times by the Supreme Court, and numerous times by the Executive Branch (Andrew Jackson being the first to come to mind)) Thus making the whole thing unconstitutional.
The second point your going to try is the Commerance Clause, expect as Health Insurance is unable to be bought across state lines, that makes the argument defunct as well.
If you want reform you have play by the rules, not make special ones to buy votes.
So actually try and learn how the whole thing works, and thanks for proving a point, if you cant understand or defend something logically, move on to name calling, standard practice now a days by the left.
Ok where to start,
"Part of the problem is that, if you did manage to chop your hand off, where are you going to go? The ER. Sure, you may have insurance, you may not. You may pay all your bill up front, or in payments or not at all. You potentially effect the cost of health care, in part, due to your taking responsibility for yourself (or, we all pay the consequences for your choice)."
What you are purposing here is that if he takes responsiblity then your cost go up, thats an unfounded position from the start. The first step of personal responsiblitiy is just that: if you mess up (or mangle a hand) YOU have to deal with it. YOU pay the costs. YOU figure out how YOU are going to work or what ever. Your position is that some how by him using a service and paying for it (thus the cost is on him and him alone) it causes your rates/and or service to go up, that goes against basic economics. The only time a rate would go up is when DEAD BEATS cheat the system, or MEDICARE tells them the cost will be .05% of the real cost, so to re-coup a loss they must charge more on something else.
As a personal example, my 2 month old son just spent 2 weeks in the one of the best childrens hospitals on the planet, it wasnt cheap, but because of the care he recieved, i still have my son. The cost of that stay was about 200,000. I have insurance that i pay for out of my own pocket, I got it the day i found out i would be a father, i got it for him, my wife, and my self in case something happened. Well it did, and i did the resposible thing, and now I still have to PAY for about 20,000 of the care. I do not whine about it, I do not sue, i do not complain to the Government, I took responsiblity for the care he recieved and the contract i signed, went to the hospital and spoke to them. They worked out a plan with me and i am now paying that off too. the expense did not cost anyone any more than it already did, I used their service gladly and I am paying for it. I will gladly do it again if I have to, for the sake of my son.
And take your facist, you know better (yet can't even spell Ayn's name correctly) freeloading ass, and stick it where the sun doesnt shine. OH and the ones you speak about at the end of your little communist manifesto are the people that use any system to the absolute fullest, yet do not pay anything, or even look to find ways to save money (like ER visits for a pimple, or an ambulance ride just to get into town).
We the people who actually take care and pay for ourselves are tired of paying for your deadbeat asses...
Except if the Government cut down but OH call it 75% of the crap and actually allowed compentance then they would only need about 1/10th of the money they need today, and no more being multi-trillions in the Red...
Lets face do they need money... Yes
Are they Effecient... No
Are they Honest.... NO
Is there stacks upon stacks of red tape to keep dummies employeed.... Hell Yes
If we cut out just 20% of the red tape and dummies would they be in the mess they are today... maybe.. they spend money like its water, without looking at the consequences ... But with out just 20% of the stupidity i bet we would save Billions...
As its WB, they most likely told Netflix that if this was made to look like they where the bad guys (and they are) that they would spank them again.
Really Netflix gets to take the double whammy on this one, no good way to spin it (customers piss), and the WB just hung them up by the short and curlies while stealing their wallet...
I swear only internet/computer types beleive in that whole open source/freedom thing. - Nope, most people believe in the "freedom thing" (George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin (and I am willing to bet u he would be the first to figure out how to monitize with the industry changing, he was a printer)
"at Newark LIBERTY International" was the airport the Keystone Kops (A.k.A TSA) patted down the dangerous and misguided Mikey, aka the Baby Face Killer... who's 2... they so blindly follow orders they Patted down a 2 year old... if they did that to my son, there woudld be a problem...
How about i stick with my Business Education, and say hmmm i have to pay monthly x no matter if I use 1 byte, or many. But if i go over their magical cap, i get to pay more..hmm yea that sounds goood... first bill that comes in like that BYE BYE NOW, thanks for playing...
But I will admit I hope ATT and the rest try it, the EPIC Fail potential is High, along with (at least in my area) its realitively easy to setup an ISP, so Ill just have to sink some money and setup one up... then advertise it as 1 big pipe, and do what ever you want, we just provide an unmetered pipe... Then I will be able to Log into Techdirt from Bora Bora while numerous customers flock to the unmetered system...Better than a Slot Machine Jackpot...
The Vader was the a name used by Motorola for a generation of Startacs, so sorry mr. smart ass "artist"...Epic fail
and George didnt say a word but ask if he could have one...
Oh and Engineers create things all the time, the difference of what i do (an engineer) and you do (as your self proclaimed artist title) is mine makes the world a better place and i get paid for it.
You slop urine on canvas and whine that no one gives you millions, once again, welcome to the real world, heres a helmet and some pills for the headaches...
Acutally the CPT codes are used by Billing Companies. And the people who pay the AMA is the Certified Coders that work for those companies (they pay to be certified and for their books, which change ever year). My Wife is one, and she is the first to point out the system is stupid.
She handles various E.R's from around our state, and if 1 person codes it and another looks at it, it will be wrong, why because the way they do the codes theres about 50 ways to answer every thing that needs to be coded.
The funny part is, my wifes mother did this same thing (handled private practice billing) and before Medicare and Medicad,they didnt have all the hassle as the Private Insurance companies wanted the least hastle to keep their customers and teh doctors happy and to keep their costs down.... as the Governement has pushed more and more into health care the costs for just dealing with it have spiraled into orbit. One office that i am friends with bets, that dealing with Insurance companies and Medicare and Communistaid (Medicad) have tripled his costs on providing basic services, much less anything else, and as a result pretty much had to drop all those patients with those plans. More hassle than it was worth.
PKD had a problem with it and went to Google and Google said F'Off, then maybe, I'd feel like Google is trying to pull something slimy,
but for the daughter (who didnt write jack or shit) to try and get a pay day for it because she's living off daddy's work... PISS OFF..
and all you whinny piss ants that say its a tragidy... Piss off as well, welcome to the real world, heres a hammer and a helmet, get back to work if ya want to eat...
Think through the end of what you just said... The Government (or even a business) controling your car for you???? do you really want to have to ask permission to go some place???
Im not bringing it up as tin foil hat thought, but just like databases, if you have it out there "they"(in what ever manner you choose, Government, big Pharma, Big tobacco, what ever) will abuse it, so why give to them at all...
Just keep trading you freedom for that safety, and soon you will be the safest slave amongst many.
Re: Re: Re: Re: How does this happen?
one problem, Health Insurance can not be bought across state lines, and the Commerce Clause was designed for the Federal Government to make sure states did not tax each others goods (like tariffs). So it would be a huge stretch to get it under that clause.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How does this happen?
actually it doesn't... States may declare a Federal Law to not pertain to them, i can't remember the vehicle to do this but it does exist.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How does this happen?
except it is you who does not understand, the Supreme court and the Executive Branch has set precedent in the past that the welfare of the people must be equal all across the nation, this means the Corn Husker and Louisana buy offs are unconstititutional (as sited 47 times by the Supreme Court, and numerous times by the Executive Branch (Andrew Jackson being the first to come to mind)) Thus making the whole thing unconstitutional.
The second point your going to try is the Commerance Clause, expect as Health Insurance is unable to be bought across state lines, that makes the argument defunct as well.
If you want reform you have play by the rules, not make special ones to buy votes.
So actually try and learn how the whole thing works, and thanks for proving a point, if you cant understand or defend something logically, move on to name calling, standard practice now a days by the left.
Re: Re:
Ok where to start,
"Part of the problem is that, if you did manage to chop your hand off, where are you going to go? The ER. Sure, you may have insurance, you may not. You may pay all your bill up front, or in payments or not at all. You potentially effect the cost of health care, in part, due to your taking responsibility for yourself (or, we all pay the consequences for your choice)."
What you are purposing here is that if he takes responsiblity then your cost go up, thats an unfounded position from the start. The first step of personal responsiblitiy is just that: if you mess up (or mangle a hand) YOU have to deal with it. YOU pay the costs. YOU figure out how YOU are going to work or what ever. Your position is that some how by him using a service and paying for it (thus the cost is on him and him alone) it causes your rates/and or service to go up, that goes against basic economics. The only time a rate would go up is when DEAD BEATS cheat the system, or MEDICARE tells them the cost will be .05% of the real cost, so to re-coup a loss they must charge more on something else.
As a personal example, my 2 month old son just spent 2 weeks in the one of the best childrens hospitals on the planet, it wasnt cheap, but because of the care he recieved, i still have my son. The cost of that stay was about 200,000. I have insurance that i pay for out of my own pocket, I got it the day i found out i would be a father, i got it for him, my wife, and my self in case something happened. Well it did, and i did the resposible thing, and now I still have to PAY for about 20,000 of the care. I do not whine about it, I do not sue, i do not complain to the Government, I took responsiblity for the care he recieved and the contract i signed, went to the hospital and spoke to them. They worked out a plan with me and i am now paying that off too. the expense did not cost anyone any more than it already did, I used their service gladly and I am paying for it. I will gladly do it again if I have to, for the sake of my son.
And take your facist, you know better (yet can't even spell Ayn's name correctly) freeloading ass, and stick it where the sun doesnt shine. OH and the ones you speak about at the end of your little communist manifesto are the people that use any system to the absolute fullest, yet do not pay anything, or even look to find ways to save money (like ER visits for a pimple, or an ambulance ride just to get into town).
We the people who actually take care and pay for ourselves are tired of paying for your deadbeat asses...
Re: Re: Re: The only good thing about a Dem getting into office
Yet everyone laughs off the 3rd party that could actually bring them into line...
Oh and if your just sitting around bitching about it and not trying to do anything, i really dont have that much sympathy for you.
(not pointing fingers at specific people)
Re: Not plausible but . . .
Except if the Government cut down but OH call it 75% of the crap and actually allowed compentance then they would only need about 1/10th of the money they need today, and no more being multi-trillions in the Red...
Lets face do they need money... Yes
Are they Effecient... No
Are they Honest.... NO
Is there stacks upon stacks of red tape to keep dummies employeed.... Hell Yes
If we cut out just 20% of the red tape and dummies would they be in the mess they are today... maybe.. they spend money like its water, without looking at the consequences ... But with out just 20% of the stupidity i bet we would save Billions...
(sorry RANT its been a long day LOL)
Re:
As its WB, they most likely told Netflix that if this was made to look like they where the bad guys (and they are) that they would spank them again.
Really Netflix gets to take the double whammy on this one, no good way to spin it (customers piss), and the WB just hung them up by the short and curlies while stealing their wallet...
Re:
I swear only internet/computer types beleive in that whole open source/freedom thing. - Nope, most people believe in the "freedom thing" (George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin (and I am willing to bet u he would be the first to figure out how to monitize with the industry changing, he was a printer)
Its call Free Market Economics, look it up...
Re: looks
if you spell it right, we will let you play :)
Re: he was 2 when he was added on the list
Love the Irony...
"at Newark LIBERTY International" was the airport the Keystone Kops (A.k.A TSA) patted down the dangerous and misguided Mikey, aka the Baby Face Killer... who's 2... they so blindly follow orders they Patted down a 2 year old... if they did that to my son, there woudld be a problem...
Re: Re:
Rather think we would be better off... save a Fuck ton of money anyway :)
Re: Re: Re: Accurate
How about i stick with my Business Education, and say hmmm i have to pay monthly x no matter if I use 1 byte, or many. But if i go over their magical cap, i get to pay more..hmm yea that sounds goood... first bill that comes in like that BYE BYE NOW, thanks for playing...
But I will admit I hope ATT and the rest try it, the EPIC Fail potential is High, along with (at least in my area) its realitively easy to setup an ISP, so Ill just have to sink some money and setup one up... then advertise it as 1 big pipe, and do what ever you want, we just provide an unmetered pipe... Then I will be able to Log into Techdirt from Bora Bora while numerous customers flock to the unmetered system...Better than a Slot Machine Jackpot...
Re: Thank you.
Well done
Re:
The Vader was the a name used by Motorola for a generation of Startacs, so sorry mr. smart ass "artist"...Epic fail
and George didnt say a word but ask if he could have one...
Oh and Engineers create things all the time, the difference of what i do (an engineer) and you do (as your self proclaimed artist title) is mine makes the world a better place and i get paid for it.
You slop urine on canvas and whine that no one gives you millions, once again, welcome to the real world, heres a helmet and some pills for the headaches...
Acutally the CPT codes are used by Billing Companies. And the people who pay the AMA is the Certified Coders that work for those companies (they pay to be certified and for their books, which change ever year). My Wife is one, and she is the first to point out the system is stupid.
She handles various E.R's from around our state, and if 1 person codes it and another looks at it, it will be wrong, why because the way they do the codes theres about 50 ways to answer every thing that needs to be coded.
The funny part is, my wifes mother did this same thing (handled private practice billing) and before Medicare and Medicad,they didnt have all the hassle as the Private Insurance companies wanted the least hastle to keep their customers and teh doctors happy and to keep their costs down.... as the Governement has pushed more and more into health care the costs for just dealing with it have spiraled into orbit. One office that i am friends with bets, that dealing with Insurance companies and Medicare and Communistaid (Medicad) have tripled his costs on providing basic services, much less anything else, and as a result pretty much had to drop all those patients with those plans. More hassle than it was worth.
PKD had a problem with it and went to Google and Google said F'Off, then maybe, I'd feel like Google is trying to pull something slimy,
but for the daughter (who didnt write jack or shit) to try and get a pay day for it because she's living off daddy's work... PISS OFF..
and all you whinny piss ants that say its a tragidy... Piss off as well, welcome to the real world, heres a hammer and a helmet, get back to work if ya want to eat...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not going to happen
SERIOUSLY to much freedom???? Do you just make this up...
Re: Re:
Sorry Naked Chef and Village People in the same post... anyone else just find it freaking funny...
Hell the Village people are just made because they invited him over to cook for them, and he had on clothes...
Re:
Think through the end of what you just said... The Government (or even a business) controling your car for you???? do you really want to have to ask permission to go some place???
Im not bringing it up as tin foil hat thought, but just like databases, if you have it out there "they"(in what ever manner you choose, Government, big Pharma, Big tobacco, what ever) will abuse it, so why give to them at all...
Just keep trading you freedom for that safety, and soon you will be the safest slave amongst many.
Im in a 3rd party, and while id like to think it wouldnt happen to us, unfortunatly it most likely will....or has...
I would think both Mecum and the Treasurer would be kicked out of the party, one for mis-use, and the other for being a douchebag...