I understand your point but my post addresses most of your arguments. We've tried both -- peaceful protests and civil uprisings. Neither has moved the dial much. Why should we insist on peaceful when this nation's history says the trashing of government property tends to have more of an effect? I don't want cities to burn and businesses to be looted. But I can no longer argue against the destruction of the tools of oppression. Even if they're mostly symbolic -- American-made cars retrofitted for maximum law enforcement opportunism -- the destruction of symbols carries a message hanging back and allowing the government to maintain the upper hand doesn't: the power is still the people's.
this is a goddamn good comment. thank you.
I started to respond to this comment -- which is very well-made (thank you) -- but it ended up being a post for this site. Suffice to say, I think I amply demonstrated why peaceful protests haven't resulted in systemic changes. It's time to try something different. This may not work either, but we all should know by now the government vastly prefers peaceful protesters to those who righteously set fire to the weapons of societal destruction. That being said, I do appreciate your comment and I do welcome critics of my post. There is no way it would not provoke criticism but that's how we roll at Techdirt. We take a firm stand on issues. We don't both-sides the shit out of things and we keep hedging to a minimum. Strong reactions are far preferable to ho-hum "well, I guess" responses, even if the responses vehemently argue against the article and its writer.
Not sure what version you're reading, but the link is still there and live in the article.
If there's any avocation for violence here, it's only to match one-tenth of what the government is able to inflict on the populace. If the problem is cops, target cop things. They've targeted citizens with no repercussions for years. Let them spend a little time seeing what it's like on the other end. They probably won't develop any empathy. But maybe, with a little time, they'll see what it's like to live on the other end of their immense power.
I don't want to remove everyone until it's just the guys with scales and ducks but prosecutors are there to prosecute crime. When the perps a cop, it seems their heart just isn't in it, no matter who's appointed.
There have been some really good responses by law enforcement officers and agencies. But let's not forget that it never needed to get to the point where these officers/agencies would stand out as anomalies. Americans want the anomalies to be the new normal. The only thing holding cops back are the cops themselves.
i have the potential for a 12" erection and yet you don't hear public officials releasing that info to the public [visits sketchy link texted to me]
going deeper, the approval of burning down the system that has resulted in the problems cops aren't willing to fix is not an advocation of "violence and destruction." Cops are violent and destructive. Why is it now a problem when the public turns on the perpetrators of violence and destruction? Was it OK when it was just the government committing violence against citizens with little fear of reprisal?
There were a great number of peaceful protests. And they were interrupted by non-peaceful cops. There will be more posts on the subject, but suffice to say, there were a non-zero number of cops willing to make the situation worse, no matter where they were located.
That's a good point. Perhaps the adjustment needs to be made along the "reasonable" line. It's long been clear that what the courts consider to be "reasonable" behavior from law enforcement officers is pretty unreasonable. And what people feel are "reasonable" responses when accosted by police officers is pretty far from the ideal the courts apply to situations like these. When a cop can claim it's "suspicious" a person walked away from a consensual encounter, there's no way regular citizens can win.
I've fixed the headline. Thanks for catching that.
Pretty sure I'm the guy giving you all the LG phone traffic.
the desk also filed a complaint so
We're well aware of this, John. It was in all the papers. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130513/15401423065/doj-unconcerned-about-constitution-obtained-ap-reporters-phone-records.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130520/00493523143/ridiculous-timing-obama-administration-responds-to-spying-ap-pushing-journalist-shield-law-that-wouldnt-matter.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130517/16293423122/think-doj-spying-reporters-was-unprecedented-think-again.shtml Seems like we were pretty critical of the Obama Administration as well.
But since most people here believe their propaganda, there will be outrage. "We here only believe StormFront and InfoWars!" -Art of the Deal
Maybe I'm being a bit too careless in my phrasing. Sure, there's an ongoing investigation, but whatever roadblock a locked phone has erected in front of the FBI does not have the compressed timetable of an investigation into, say, someone's plans to engage in a mass shooting. Putting together a timeline and establishing motive are important, but when the crime has already been committed, complaining that it will take "weeks or months" to crack a seized device is a bit much. And it probably won't take that, not when there are companies offering phone-cracking tech at prices the FBI can easily afford. This is an attempt to create leverage from nearly nothing.
Re: You are all under arrest
i will shut down my telegraph forthwith