Techdirt In The Time Of Covid-19

from the stay-home-people dept

First off, I hope that everyone reading this, and their friends, families, loved ones, etc, are staying safe -- and I urge you to stay safe as well, which means staying home as much as possible. I did want to at least put up a post noting that these are unique and unprecedented times, and I honestly have no idea what this will mean for Techdirt over the next few weeks or months. We may very well be posting less. I don't know if our posting focus will change. I have some posts on the way that touch on the pandemic situation, and plenty that don't, and while I want to continue covering other things, it feels like we're in a moment where pretty much the only thing that is going to matter for the near future is how we deal with the pandemic.

We will try to continue on in the same way we always have done, but I don't know what that will actually look like.

While the team here is already effectively remote, and you might think that means we should be able to carry on as usual (or even moreso, since we're all pretty much limited in going out and about), I think that's an impossible request as well. Many people are now also dealing with watching children or parents or other relatives, all the time, and that obviously takes time, attention and energy. At the same time, all of us are watching the news and are concerned about what this means for our own health, the health of our loved ones, and the health of everyone else around the globe. It's a frightening and uncertain time -- and that, by itself, makes less than ideal working conditions for anyone. These are not times when I expect anyone, myself included, to be as productive as normal.

So, I at least wanted to put up a note that says, more or less, I have no idea what will be happening at Techdirt over the next few weeks and months. We have a new project that we were excited to launch before the end of the month -- and that may still happen, or we may put it off. I don't know how many posts we'll have or what topics they'll be on. I don't know if anyone will feel like recording podcasts, or if I'll feel like recording podcasts. I just don't know.

I know that lots of people are now concerned about their own jobs and their own financial position, and I hope that everything works out okay for everyone. I will note, also, that we've already heard from some of our own sponsors and backers, who have put off decisions on sponsorship. Also, a decent part of our revenue last year, and in our planning for this year, was for live events, all of which have now been put on indefinite hiatus -- meaning that if you're not in dire financial straits due to everything else, and are in a position to do so, we'd truly appreciate the support to make sure that we can keep going through these trying times. If you want the most direct way of supporting us, it's to do direct donations via this page, but the general support page lists many different ways to support us, some of which get you nice things in response, beyond the warm feeling of helping Techdirt continue.

But, the most important point of all: please, everyone, stay safe out there.

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    Baron von Robber, 16 Mar 2020 @ 9:58am

    Good sites to visit
    On overall information
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/dont-panic-the-comprehensive-ars-technica-guide- to-the-coronavirus/

    For a dashboard stats
    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9e cf6

    For more up-to-date stats and information
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    I like John Oliver's things to do.
    1: Don't be racist
    2: Wash your hands.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 10:17am

    Stay safe and focus on your health! Thanks for all the work you do for the site!

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 10:36am

    Maybe NOW I'll do my expose of Mike and his lawyer buddies.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 10:45am

    If you haven't got your health, you haven't got anything!

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    Federico (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 10:47am

    Honest talking

    Thank you for the honest communication about the circumstances. Most of the announcements I've read in this period by businesses (and not only businesses) were disgustingly self-serving. When I saw the title I was bracing for the worst but as usual Mike has surprised for the best.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 1:03pm

      Re: Honest talking

      I like how any business that has my e-mail address has basically sent a "here's how we're dealing with it" .. past a certain point alert fatigue set in.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 11:07am

    Fear Itself

    I'm not afraid of the virus, but I'm terrified of the extreme over-reaction gripping the planet. When will it end? Let me quote FDR:

    "...let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is...fear itself — nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts..."

    Are any of today's leaders rational enough to inject some sense of perspective back into the public discourse? Everyone is on the Terror Train at full speed ahead. Sad.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 11:49am

      Re: Fear Itself

      "Are any of today's leaders rational enough "

      A few so called leaders are encouraging people to go out to eat, party, etc. I think they want it to spread.

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        Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 8:05pm

        Re: Re: Fear Itself

        They say that you can be contagious before you show symptoms. How has SCIENCE Proven that? Not that I don't believe asymptomatic spread is happening, I just want to know HOW THEY CAN PROVE IT.

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          Rocky, 17 Mar 2020 @ 3:49am

          Re: Re: Re: Fear Itself

          Uhm, in general many viruses that affect the respiratory system (ie. flu/influenza) has an incubation time during which the person infected is contagious even though the person doesn't show any symptoms. I thought this was common knowledge, plus it has been scientifically proven.

          Perhaps go read up on the subject? CDC among others have a lot of information for the inquisitive.

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            PaulT (profile), 17 Mar 2020 @ 4:32am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Fear Itself

            "CDC among others have a lot of information for the inquisitive."

            Why would you think this guy is inquisitive?

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              Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 5:10am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fear Itself

              I want to know how they know this virus is contagious before its symptomatic.

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                PaulT (profile), 17 Mar 2020 @ 5:20am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fear Itself

                No, you don't. Nobody who actually wanted to know any of the facts would be so ignorant of them, the same platform that allows them to go straight to the people doing the research.

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                wereisjessicahyde (profile), 17 Mar 2020 @ 8:39am

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                Because that is how viruses work. You become infected with a small amount of the virus but you wont start feel unwell until the virus grows and multiplies in your body to a certain level (usually take a few days) and the body has time to go in fight mode (the fever is thebodies way of killing the virus but it doesn't kick in straight away)

                But from the moment you become infected you can pass it on to other people. It's really not that complicated.

                Apart from that they have hard data: Of the 705 confirmed cases (they tested everybody) aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship, 392 had no symptoms at the time of testing and later became unwell.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 4:04pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fear Itself

                  I want to know how they test the actual virus in field and know what its doing. How can they see this virus apart from their electron microscopes. You people are not qualified apparently to answer my question. Still I get it that mostly you are douche bags with no scientific background and love hurling one liner verbal assaults like trained monkeys as if you were employed some how earning your day's wages at techdirt. If you can't answer the question scientifically, stay the fuck out of this thread. Thank you.

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                    Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 5:00pm

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fear Itself

                    You have all the resources of the Internet at your disposal, and yet you ask people on technology centred blog to answer biological questions for you. Its time you took an ancient lesson to heart: "Google is your friend".

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                    Toom1275 (profile), 17 Mar 2020 @ 7:22pm

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fear Itself

                    Correction: You are not qualified to comprehend the answers to your questions. In the same way as Andy Schlafly.

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                    Rocky, 18 Mar 2020 @ 12:30am

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fear Itself

                    That you have no clue how diseases and virus work isn't our fault, it's entirely your own fault. I gave you advice on where information could be found, but you couldn't be bothered to go there and read. That tells me you are a lazy and entitled person who wants be to spoon-fed on demand.

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                    PaulT (profile), 18 Mar 2020 @ 12:43am

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fear Itself

                    "I want to know how they test the actual virus in field and know what its doing."

                    Again, no you don't. A person who wants this knowledge will be reading the simple explanations of most of this stuff provided by the WHO, CDC and various other sources that break down the science for those without the specialised education to understand the primary reports. You can watch YouTube videos aimed at schoolchildren that break this down if you actually want to.

                    What you're doing is bullshit "just asking questions", which is a tired tactic used by those who wish to disrupt honest discussion between people who have already done the research. I expect you fundamentally dishonest people to be creeping up on these threads more and more as the pandemic forces you to have more time on your hands, but no honest will to use it for anything constructive.

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                    Anonymous Coward, 18 Mar 2020 @ 2:39am

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                    wereisjessicahyde (profile), 19 Mar 2020 @ 2:20pm

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fear Itself

                    I answered your question. Now you're asking a different question.

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          Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 7:02am

          Re: Re: Re: Fear Itself

          I want to know why the donald circus fired the Pandemic Response Team.

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            Baron von Robber, 17 Mar 2020 @ 8:17am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Fear Itself

            President Spanky Bonespurs doesn't like science. Neither does the GOP.

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              Stephen T. Stone (profile), 17 Mar 2020 @ 10:21am

              The GOP has done its best over the past few decades to erode public confidence in expertise of any kind. This is how you end up with anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, and anti-science nutjobs in general — you know, the kind of people who think they’re the experts and the actual experts are lying bastard assholes — getting into positions of power that allow them to inflict their beliefs upon an entire populace.

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 12:14pm

      I'm terrified of the extreme over-reaction

      I’d rather we overreact and laugh about the overreaction later than underreact and watch our hospitals shut down from a lack of resources to help people.

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        PaulT (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 12:27pm

        Re:

        There's overreacting and "overreacting". The people who are buying all the toilet roll, hand sanitiser and ammo they can get their hands on are worrying, since they're not only likely to lose it further down the road. The people "overreacting" by self-isolating and shutting down large gatherings of people are fine. The problem is that some people lack the knowledge to understand what the difference is.

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          Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 5:27pm

          Re: Re:

          This coronavirus may come back in waves like the swine flu of 1918-19 came in three waves. There is also a good chance that people will catch this more than once and a good chance that because this is so highly contagious and airborne, this will overwhelm resources which will facilitate its continued spread. We will see a new era of law enforcement gone wild. They will ransack and search house to house for supplies for the government above ground. Trump signed into law in his first days of office the laws that will support the legality of these raids and confiscation of property. Wait for it and expect it.

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        Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 12:36pm

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        under-react and watch our hospitals shut down from a lack of resources

        Isn't this the risk we run every flu season? Perhaps we should quarantine the global population each fall just to be safe. You can never be too safe. Let's build everyone a cage only to be let out individually for brief recreation. Where do the safety precautions end?

        IMHO, we have crossed a safety line that is beyond all reasonableness. Only repressive madness lay ahead.

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          PaulT (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 12:50pm

          Re: Re:

          "Isn't this the risk we run every flu season?"

          No. If you're not educated enough on the subject to understand the differences between that and the current pandemic, it might do you good not to comment on it. If there's one thing that will cause more people to have major issues in a few weeks, it's people implying they should ignore current medical advice because it's not important enough to take special precautions.

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            Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 1:00pm

            Re: Re: Re:

            Thank you for presuming my level of education. The more I look at the data, the more this looks like the flu. Pray tell, please educate me on the differences.

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              Toom1275 (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 1:11pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re:

              Thank you for presuming my level of education.

              Nobody's presuming. You've been quite clearly demonstrating your (lack of) education this whole time.

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              Baron von Robber, 16 Mar 2020 @ 2:29pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re:

              Flu kills about .1%
              This is killing 3.4%, but the numbers are showing 8%.

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              PaulT (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 11:58pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re:

              "Thank you for presuming my level of education."

              I can only go on the ignorance you presented. Do you have anything not stupid to say?

              "Pray tell, please educate me on the differences."

              Well, since you refuse to educate yourself, the R0 is of the major concern, which is the ratio of people that are infected. That combined with the fatality rate, which are both notably higher than the seasonal flu, are the reasons this should be addressed now rather than wait until the number of deaths have grown exponentially high enough for people like you to listen to medical advice.

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          Stephen T. Stone (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 12:53pm

          Isn't this the risk we run every flu season?

          Yes, people go to the hospital during flu season. Yes, people die because of the flu. But the flu has been around long enough that we’ve developed ways to keep it contained and mitigate the damage done by it. The same cannot be said of the coronavirus. Until such time as a cure or a vaccine comes around, we run the risk of spreading it far and wide — especially to those who are most vulnerable to the virus — if we’re exposed to it.

          For now, the only way to mitigate whatever damage the coronavirus might do is to follow the advice of experts (e.g., practice social distancing and wash your hands). By doing so, we have a chance to “flatten the curve” such that the growth rate of infected persons doesn’t overwhelm the ability of a given hospital to treat as many of those persons as possible. The measures may seem extreme now, sure — but they’re the best hope for the U.S. to keep from becoming the next Italy.

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            Wendy Cockcroft (profile), 18 Mar 2020 @ 6:30am

            Re:

            Take into account the long incubation period. It's up to 24 days in some cases. This is what marks it out from SARS and Swine flu -- they were easier to spot and stop. The Coronavirus is being spread by apparently healthy people who don't realise they're infected.

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          Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 12:56pm

          Re: Re:

          The annual flu is not the same thing as the corona virus.
          For example, they have very different rates of fatality.

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          wereisjessicahyde (profile), 17 Mar 2020 @ 9:07am

          Re: Re:

          A: A large part of the population have some historical immunity to most influenza strains that isn't the case with Sars-Cov-2.

          B: We have flu vaccines, we ain't got one Sars-Cov-2.

          C: The mortality rate for Covid 19 is at least 10 times higher than that of the flu, in some countries even 3 times higher than that.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 11:23am

    although i think it would be unfair to blame China or any other country for what is happening atm (let's face it, no country wanted to have this virus start, wherever it did), i do think the only way to prevent anything like this happening in the future is to condemn the country concerned by the rest of the Planet! this attitude of hiding it from everyone else and, even worse, when doctors and others tried to make the authorities aware of what had been found, doing whatever was possible to make those 'whistle-blowers' suffer by degrading and condemning them for spreading 'false rumors' etc. look at what has happened because of this failure to own up to what was going on and get everyone on board trying to stem the spread and find a solution. unless, of course, the main aim, certainly now, is to use this virus as a way of culling the elderly, the sick and the infirm, without using nuclear means, reducing the global population because of the ginormous fuck-ups that governments everywhere have made in protecting their citizens and managing the purse strings!
    after the financial crisis, apart from those countries that were already communist or were leaning towards the ways of Germany in the 30s and 40s (and perhaps even now), so many countries changed to have Conservative-type governments. those governments have done nothing to maintain anything except massive increases in salaries, bonuses and pensions for bosses, while removing or reducing protections for workers. those same workers, in so many instances, are doing more tasks over longer periods than before, with fewer benefits. hence the increase in unemployment and poverty. with the increase in how long people live because of the way illnesses have been controlled, the Planet is suffocating, but those in charge wont admit it. instead, they are introducing more and more citizen surveillance, not to make anywhere more safe but to make sure the people are always watched and cant turn against the establishment. the few 'haves' need to ensure they stay like that and us 'have nots' dont get back any power that we fought for over hundreds of years. we must be kept as their slaves and they'll do whatever they can think of to ensure there's no change. look at where you live, your town, your county, your state, your country. how many factories and shops have shut? how many more are jobless? how many more are in poverty? but how many bosses are still in luxury?

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 11:55am

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      "the only way to prevent anything like this happening in the future"

      It will happen again and again and again. That is the way it is, reaction to it or lack thereof is what causes problems.

      As the planet becomes even more over crowded and nothing is done to preclude these pandemics, they will increase in frequency and severity.

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 12:15pm

      the only way to prevent anything like this happening in the future is to

      …eradicate humanity. So long as humanity lives, plagues and global pandemics will continue to happen. Anyone who says otherwise is bullshitting you.

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        Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 2:30pm

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        Eradicating humanity would only slow these down, and make them less frequent (because intercontinental migration is not very common). It's believed to have started in a non-human animal.

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    PaulT (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 11:34am

    Stay safe, people. I'm currently under a certain level of restriction, but I'm more concerned about the safety of those who have no choice than my currently home working ass. It's all been common sense for the most part - which sadly some people lack. This seems to be bringing out the best and worst in humanity, as all such events do, and we can just hope the that the stupid and selfish don't ruin things long term for the rest of us.

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      Automated Reply, 20 Mar 2020 @ 9:05am

      Re: PLease go outside for fresh air

      PaulT, please, don't let superstition keep you indoors. Go outside, and lick beer glasses, shake some cocks through a glory hole, and pack asses with other asses like Stephen T. Stone, et al.

      You types of people need each other in this time of strife, and pandemic.

      As for the Stupid and the Selfish, bro-don't you know you are on THAT list ALREADY?

      I hope you get it...I hope you get it...I hope you get it....

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        PaulT (profile), 20 Mar 2020 @ 9:16am

        Re: Re: PLease go outside for fresh air

        I'll be happy to disappoint you. I hope the crisis in your country doesn't prevent you accessing your own meds, you seem to have run out again.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 11:56am

    No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

    Google "Healthy people 2020"

    Forced Vaccinations Part of HHS's Healthy People 2020 ...

    Vaccine Hesitancy Landscape Analysis of organisations ...

    The Truth About Vaccines — Steemit

    Terrifying Technofascist Acts Against Health Freedom You'll ...

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 11:58am

      Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers - Bill Gates

      Google

      "healthy people 2020" "decade of vaccines" bill gates foundation

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        PaulT (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 12:06pm

        Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers - Bill Gates

        I'd rather stick to verifiable scientific documentation, thanks. I do notice that you've gone from citing your psychopathic sources to just telling people to Google, though. Progress, I guess, since anyone doing that will probably get the sources debunking them as well as whatever you're thinking of?

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      PaulT (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 12:05pm

      Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

      Yes, we know you're a psychopath who will cheer on the deaths of children so long as they fit your political stance.

      The rest of us will be cheering on a vaccine for this disease before you have the chance to murder.

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        Its for the Children, then?, 20 Mar 2020 @ 10:03am

        Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

        So: you are, or aren't one of Mike Masnicks favorite fakes?

        Its for the Childre is the last, most sacred narrative of pedophiles and the FVEYs tribal-religious empire as it dies.

        Your countries literally salted the playgrounds of Iraqi school children with depleted uranium.

        Try not to take the high ground, where you will find ONLY religious cult affilliated scoundrels and pedophiles, hiding behind little naked children, claiming that such deviance "protects" the kids".

        News to the wise: these kids are not protected in any sense, much less by their MIC rapists.

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 12:17pm

      Feel free to hang out in restaurants with other anti-vaxxers and anti-science conservatives. Sneeze all over each other, by all means. Shake hands, kiss on the lips, all that good shit.

      But when your refusal to accept science results in you and your family and friends going to the hospital, don’t blame science. You’re the one who refused to listen.

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        Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 6:13pm

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        If you don't think science has been used nefariously against the masses, you are talking out your ass again.

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        Same to You, 20 Mar 2020 @ 11:44pm

        Re: Eat COVID-19

        Seriously, I hope some hillbilly in your region spits on your hamburger. You/them, inseparable because your form of bi-polar, partisan factitious disorder are no different than yours, just on the other side of stupid invective. You are a one person Integrity Institute.

        (Stoney Baloney is on record in another thread claiming that COVID-19 cannot live on shipping containers or packages, lol. Just a little ball of invective and bile, that little POS TDs chosen poster child)

        It can live for up to nine days on some surfaces, like SHIPPING PLASTIC, and steel.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 12:38pm

      Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

      Wait... You think vaccines caused COVID-19?

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        PaulT (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 12:48pm

        Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

        There's as much evidence of that as it causing autism or any of the other nonsense they talk about, so are you really surprised?

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          Toom1275 (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 1:13pm

          Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

          As the malicious spammer helpfully pointed out for us a week or two ago, these frauds have all but given up on trying to prove their "vaccines cause autism!" lie by betting all-in on their Russel's Teapot fallacy stunt.

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          Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 6:21pm

          Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

          Thousands of kids who were perfectly normal before getting some vaccines did turn autistic subsequently after. Nice you think you can risk other parent's children like that by adamately adhering to unknowns. It takes thirty years or more for time testing of some vaccines to be sure of what some side effects cause. You have no base to be spouting with assurity that some vaccines don't cause autism in some kids.

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            Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 6:39pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

            It is more a case that autism becomes detectable about the same time as kids are being vaccinated. Also worth noting that most anti-vaxers have been vaccinated, and so avoided the disease that they are exposing their children to.

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              Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 8:38pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

              So you have an answer for everything that would certainly prevent you from objective scientific research further then proving you have only jumped on the bandwagon for nefarious reasons.

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                Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 8:46pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

                If you really wanted to eat the bat guano like they did in China you're more than welcome to.

                When the Chinese government punished the doctor who whistle-blew on the virus and later died of it you got the warm fuzzies, didn't you?

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                  Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 5:00pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

                  You have no mind so don't pretend to.

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                Stephen T. Stone (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 8:56pm

                Every credible study into a possible connection between vaccines and autism has found no direct causal link between vaccines and autism. As was pointed out before, the reason autism rates have risen is because doctors have been able to diagnose autism as “autism” instead of “little Jimmy ain’t right, send him to an asylum”. That rise had no correlation with vaccines until Wakefield’s bullshit study. Not one study since his has found the kind of causal link that Wakefield said he found (but didn’t).

                You can’t offer any study that proves vaccines cause autism. I can’t offer any study that definitively proves the opposite, either. Then again, proving a negative is a notoriously difficult act.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 5:03pm

                  Re:

                  There are plenty of studies linking vaccines to autism. They hide these facts in order to not have an anti-vaccine outbreak for the facts show that more than 90% of kids don't have an immune reaction to the vaccinations. Still there is a large percentage of serious reactions to them.

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                PaulT (profile), 17 Mar 2020 @ 12:08am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

                "So you have an answer for everything"

                People here are well practiced at countering the two or three woefully unoriginal and widely debunked talking points that your entire psychopathic lie depends upon.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 5:03pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

                  Easy Charlie.

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                Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 8:00am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

                Where is your objective scientific research, or papers from qualified experts to support your position. Note, a paper by a doctor who has subsequently been disqualifies, and had the paper withdrawn does not count.

                Me, I will trust the experts, like doctors who say vaccination is safe, with only extremely rare bad reactions.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 5:05pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

                  Oh sure like dentists haven't been getting subsidies for declaring FLOURIDE PREVENTS CAVITIES. You people are idiots.

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                    Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 5:12pm

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

                    Do you intend to get the cov19 vaccination when it becomes available?

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            Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 6:44pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

            Thousands of kids who were perfectly normal before getting some vaccines did turn autistic subsequently after.

            Correlation, causation. Did you know lack of pirates causes global warming? It's true.

            You have no base to be spouting with assurity that some vaccines don't cause autism in some kids.

            Yeah, I'm gonna have to stick a [citation needed] on that one. The one I'm aware of (and that started this whole bullshit) was retracted as fraudulent and it's author lost his medical license.

            Although, I have to say your insistence on murdering millions of children to maybe, possibly, spare a few of them of autism is truly a thing to behold.

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              Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 5:06pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

              Again, stop pretending to have a mind. You so obviously are bad at it.

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            Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 7:38pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

            You know you could have just stayed in the Content Moderation thread, right?

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 1:00pm

      Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

      How are those FEMA death camps coming?

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        Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 5:07pm

        Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

        Maybe when you find yourself locked down in one you'll remember you were anti-truthing on techdirt and beg for mercy. Nah

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          Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 5:15pm

          Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

          I imagine it will not be a long wait, they have to put all those sick people somewhere and hospitals are for rich folk. It's a good thing the democrats will be blamed for it.
          /s

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 1:37pm

    The one issue is Champaign where the mayor has said that they can take over peesomal and real property as part of the emergency

    You can make your electronics useless to the city if it should go that far, at least for phones or tablets.

    Just turn on the feature where 15 failed password attempts will result in your phone or tablet wiping or resetting, making your electronics useless to the city of Champaign

    And there is another setting where android will not even start without the right password and the phone contents are encrypted

    Once any of your electronics wipes and resets!, it cannot be used again without your Google password, bricking your electronics, making them.useless to the city of champaign.

    You need to do.this.to.the champaign from accessing any content in your electronics in the event things go that far in champaign or any other city.

    I already have phone phone's security dialed up that insane level, and I encourage everyone else to.do so as well

    RTFM for your particular phone on how to dial your phones security up to this insane level

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    DocGerbil100, 16 Mar 2020 @ 6:47pm

    Many thanks for keeping us informed, TD. I wish all of you - and your loved ones - the very best of fortunes during these most difficult times.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Mar 2020 @ 9:44pm

      Re:

      Yeah, just shutdown your socialist ideology infection simultaneously with shutting down the virus infection, that would be good. The world would be a better place without either.

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        Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 12:04am

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        Shiva's turmeric powder didn't invent email and it sure as hell won't cure COVID-19, Hamilton.

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          ROGueS, 23 Mar 2020 @ 7:45am

          Re: Re: Re:

          Your jibe about turmeric is coded racism.

          TD commenters are so racist. and the flag brigades routinely allow this kind of targeted racism.

          And for the record, WebMd finds turmeric to have "exciting potential"

          https://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-turmeric

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            Toom1275 (profile), 28 Mar 2020 @ 7:19pm

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            Your jibe about turmeric is coded racism.

            False. It's factual reference to Shiva quackishly hawking tamilnadu spices as remedies in addition to his more infamous fraud.

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              ROGueS, 30 Mar 2020 @ 1:32am

              Re: WebMD says you are wrong

              Um, you are wrong, even WebMD disagrees with you about turmeric, and your bi-polarization of narrative betrays your agenda.

              The US/west has attacked Asian people with law and slander since forever.

              And, Asian people feel that such usage of these terms IS coded racism which means more to me than what you lily white folk and your enablers say.

              SO: both can be true, as Shiva could be on one hand, a total douche, but on the other hand, merely publicizing the fact that the Asian diet is historically more healthy than the western diet, as we know from fact that Indians and other Asians live longer lives (and take better poops every day).

              So, the western divide and conquer bipolarity, which demands that when you people hate that you hate entirely and forever, is straight out of biblical and Talmudic narrative, whereas eastern theosophy isn't so cut and dried.

              Or, in this case suffering bi-polar disorder about the health benefits of turmeric.

              Medical Meta-Narrative, much?

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                PaulT (profile), 30 Mar 2020 @ 2:47am

                Re: Re: WebMD says you are wrong

                "Or, in this case suffering bi-polar disorder about the health benefits of turmeric."

                Yes, I know you have first hand experience of such things, I just wish you'd turn to more effective medication.

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                  ROGS, 30 Mar 2020 @ 2:12pm

                  Re: Re: Re: WebMD says you are wrong

                  Well, thanks for bringing that up, PaulT Techdirt.

                  Yes, my last most successful business, aka "New World Order Subverting"enterprise involved a restaurant, and Muslims, and Hindus, "coming together"to produce fabulous food and subvert local politics in my area.

                  Curry, to be specific. And Korma, and biryani, and tikka masalla,

                  And yes, the curry was GLORIOUS! And full of turmeric. Quite tasty, in fact. World wide famous!

                  It was so good, we elected the first Muslim Senator EVER, to congress, and a Somali or two after that after combatting Anti Defamation League slanders and sabotage.

                  Weird, what happens, when you bring the right, and the left "together,"Bro.

                  And, "micro-economy, ala Mohammed Younas had a big hand in my demise."

                  Wanna play a bonus round of ROGS Bingo, pallie?

                  Yeah. you haven't even earned entry points.

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                    PaulT (profile), 30 Mar 2020 @ 10:24pm

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: WebMD says you are wrong

                    You know something? When I note that yet again your posts out you as an unmedicated insane person, that doesn't have to be a cue to prove it again?

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                      ROGS, 2 Apr 2020 @ 12:56am

                      PaulT and Psychiatric Meta-Narrative, Techdirt

                      Well, again, I ask you PaulT: why are you the most frequent deployer of psychiatric meta-narrative here at TD?

                      Seth Farber might have some idea about that:

                      http://www.sethhfarber.com/farber_essay__response_to_new_york_times__2016__ti_letter_129180.ht m

                      And, your deployment of that narrative is also right in line with Crisis PR agents who work in the Big Pharmaceutical Industry, as well as CIA affilliated, NGOs, government, military, and police functions.

                      Its a valid question.

                      PaulT, why do you engage in deploying psychiatric meta-narrativ?

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                        PaulT (profile), 2 Apr 2020 @ 1:32am

                        Re: PaulT and Psychiatric Meta-Narrative, Techdirt

                        "Well, again, I ask you PaulT: why are you the most frequent deployer of psychiatric meta-narrative here at TD?"

                        Because I choose to give you the benefit of the doubt and prefer to believe that you are someone in severe need of psychiatric help, rather than someone whose life is so pathetically empty that they have to pretend to be one in order to get a response from people.

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                          ROGS, 2 Apr 2020 @ 3:10am

                          Re: Re: PaulT and Psychiatric Meta-Narrative, Techdirt

                          The person who levels the accusation is in no position to also give benefit in any sense of the word.

                          And, you have made it clear that you have no desire YOURSELF to help your own country-persons, so there's that.

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                            PaulT (profile), 2 Apr 2020 @ 3:25am

                            Re: Re: Re: PaulT and Psychiatric Meta-Narrative, Techdirt

                            "And, you have made it clear that you have no desire YOURSELF to help your own country-persons, so there's that."

                            No, I've made it clear that I'm doing what I am able to do. I'm not the one claiming to be able to access vital life-saving equipment.

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        Stephen T. Stone (profile), 17 Mar 2020 @ 1:09am

        socialist ideology infection

        Last time I checked, near-unchecked capitalism — including the privatization of healthcare — is what’s fucking over the United States right now.

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        Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 7:14am

        Re: Re:

        "socialist ideology infection"

        I am interested in a subscription to your news letter because in it I might find your definition for the word socialism. Then it might be possible to understand what you mean by ideology infection, but probably not.

        I am curious about whether folk like yourself consider it to be socialism when corporations are given subsidies.

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          Stephen T. Stone (profile), 17 Mar 2020 @ 10:32am

          The funny thing is, when conservatives try to tear down “socialism”, a lot of what they decry as “socialism” and oppose as a result (e.g., free/nationalized healthcare, free college) only makes them look like cruel, selfish bastards to anyone other than the similarly cruel and selfish.

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            Toom1275 (profile), 17 Mar 2020 @ 10:44am

            Re:

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            PaulT (profile), 17 Mar 2020 @ 10:52am

            Re:

            In the context of the current discussion, "socialism" is countries like France that are guaranteeing that people left locked in by current containment measures don't lose homes, businesses or utilities, and always have access to healthcare in the mean time. While, the US have ensured a lower class who absolutely have the choice between risking not feeding their family due to no sick pay, bankrupting themselves due to no healthcare options, or infecting everyone around them because they can't afford to take a day off work. While Wall Street got paid off trillions because they had a bad few days for the same reason, of course.

            There's problems with France's approach, and certainly problems in the countries I call home, but the choices speak to themselves when you try saying the former is evil.

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              Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 2:36pm

              Re: Re:

              Yup, I have heard all too often about those horrible socialist European countries. Thing is, none of them are actually socialist.

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                Stephen T. Stone (profile), 17 Mar 2020 @ 3:00pm

                And lots of Americans tend to forget that we have “socialist” policies here in the U.S., too. We have libraries, public roads, and programs such as Social Security.

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                PaulT (profile), 18 Mar 2020 @ 12:38am

                Re: Re: Re:

                To a lot of these guys, "socialism" is people being helped when they don't "deserve" it. Of course, they themselves always deserve it so it's not "socialism" when applied to them, they worked hard for their welfare!

                It's hard to root for things like this pandemic, but if it either beats some empathy into them or exposes how vulnerable the US population is without a decent healthcare and welfare safety net, so be it. Sadly, so far I'm just seeing the same people who attacked Obama for his "handout" in an early attempt to stem the 2008 financial crisis now praising Trump for doing the same, even though most of the money is going to Wall Street and not the people who need it.

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            Anonymous Coward, 17 Mar 2020 @ 5:09pm

            Re:

            You are a fool.

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    R eally O h G reat S urprise!, 17 Mar 2020 @ 11:27am

    1)Wear you mask every day outside,

    2) keep a small spray bottle of alcohol in your jacket/bag and
    3) follow a detox protocol when you enter/exit your own home.

    4)Wear rubber gloves at the supermarkets/subway/elevators/KFC touchscrens. etc. and

    5)carry your own shopping bag everywhere.

    6)Wash every/anything you buy from the markets for the next 1.5 months before you store it, eat it etc.

    7) wash your fingers EVERY TIME after you touch some foreign hand or object

    And, its all over rated-by LESS than you think you will need, because stockpiling is ridiculous, and ineffective (but if you do stockpile, focus on meats, rice, beans, potatoes, etc.)
    pornography, weed, and beer

    Its really not rocket science, and it works.

    Ahh! The fresh air I now breath in a COVID-19 FREE country!

    I am laughing at the US response.

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    ROGueS, 26 Mar 2020 @ 9:09am

    the absurdity of the TD flag brigade

    I can't believe that TD flag brigade hid thiscomment about public health advice, and freedom!(Murriccastan so free, lol):

    1)Wear you mask every day outside,
    2) keep a small spray bottle of alcohol in your jacket/bag and
    3) follow a detox protocol when you enter/exit your own home.
    4)Wear rubber gloves at the supermarkets/subway/elevators/KFC touchscrens. etc. and
    5)carry your own shopping bag everywhere.
    6)Wash every/anything you buy from the markets for the next 1.5 months before you store it, eat it etc.
    7) wash your fingers EVERY TIME after you touch some foreign hand or object

    And, its all over rated-by LESS than you think you will need, because stockpiling is ridiculous, and ineffective (but if you do stockpile, focus on meats, rice, beans, potatoes, etc.)
    pornography, weed, and beer

    Its really not rocket science, and it works.

    Ahh! The fresh air I now breath in a COVID-19 FREE country!

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