Techdirt In The Time Of Covid-19

from the stay-home-people dept

First off, I hope that everyone reading this, and their friends, families, loved ones, etc, are staying safe — and I urge you to stay safe as well, which means staying home as much as possible. I did want to at least put up a post noting that these are unique and unprecedented times, and I honestly have no idea what this will mean for Techdirt over the next few weeks or months. We may very well be posting less. I don’t know if our posting focus will change. I have some posts on the way that touch on the pandemic situation, and plenty that don’t, and while I want to continue covering other things, it feels like we’re in a moment where pretty much the only thing that is going to matter for the near future is how we deal with the pandemic.

We will try to continue on in the same way we always have done, but I don’t know what that will actually look like.

While the team here is already effectively remote, and you might think that means we should be able to carry on as usual (or even moreso, since we’re all pretty much limited in going out and about), I think that’s an impossible request as well. Many people are now also dealing with watching children or parents or other relatives, all the time, and that obviously takes time, attention and energy. At the same time, all of us are watching the news and are concerned about what this means for our own health, the health of our loved ones, and the health of everyone else around the globe. It’s a frightening and uncertain time — and that, by itself, makes less than ideal working conditions for anyone. These are not times when I expect anyone, myself included, to be as productive as normal.

So, I at least wanted to put up a note that says, more or less, I have no idea what will be happening at Techdirt over the next few weeks and months. We have a new project that we were excited to launch before the end of the month — and that may still happen, or we may put it off. I don’t know how many posts we’ll have or what topics they’ll be on. I don’t know if anyone will feel like recording podcasts, or if I’ll feel like recording podcasts. I just don’t know.

I know that lots of people are now concerned about their own jobs and their own financial position, and I hope that everything works out okay for everyone. I will note, also, that we’ve already heard from some of our own sponsors and backers, who have put off decisions on sponsorship. Also, a decent part of our revenue last year, and in our planning for this year, was for live events, all of which have now been put on indefinite hiatus — meaning that if you’re not in dire financial straits due to everything else, and are in a position to do so, we’d truly appreciate the support to make sure that we can keep going through these trying times. If you want the most direct way of supporting us, it’s to do direct donations via this page, but the general support page lists many different ways to support us, some of which get you nice things in response, beyond the warm feeling of helping Techdirt continue.

But, the most important point of all: please, everyone, stay safe out there.

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Baron von Robber says:

Good sites to visit
On overall information
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/dont-panic-the-comprehensive-ars-technica-guide-to-the-coronavirus/

For a dashboard stats
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

For more up-to-date stats and information
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I like John Oliver’s things to do.
1: Don’t be racist
2: Wash your hands.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Fear Itself

I’m not afraid of the virus, but I’m terrified of the extreme over-reaction gripping the planet. When will it end? Let me quote FDR:

"…let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is…fear itself — nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts…"

Are any of today’s leaders rational enough to inject some sense of perspective back into the public discourse? Everyone is on the Terror Train at full speed ahead. Sad.

Rocky says:

Re: Re: Re: Fear Itself

Uhm, in general many viruses that affect the respiratory system (ie. flu/influenza) has an incubation time during which the person infected is contagious even though the person doesn’t show any symptoms. I thought this was common knowledge, plus it has been scientifically proven.

Perhaps go read up on the subject? CDC among others have a lot of information for the inquisitive.

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wereisjessicahyde (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Fear Itself

Because that is how viruses work. You become infected with a small amount of the virus but you wont start feel unwell until the virus grows and multiplies in your body to a certain level (usually take a few days) and the body has time to go in fight mode (the fever is thebodies way of killing the virus but it doesn’t kick in straight away)

But from the moment you become infected you can pass it on to other people. It’s really not that complicated.

Apart from that they have hard data: Of the 705 confirmed cases (they tested everybody) aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship, 392 had no symptoms at the time of testing and later became unwell.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5 Fear Itself

I want to know how they test the actual virus in field and know what its doing. How can they see this virus apart from their electron microscopes. You people are not qualified apparently to answer my question. Still I get it that mostly you are douche bags with no scientific background and love hurling one liner verbal assaults like trained monkeys as if you were employed some how earning your day’s wages at techdirt. If you can’t answer the question scientifically, stay the fuck out of this thread. Thank you.

PaulT (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6 Fear Itself

"I want to know how they test the actual virus in field and know what its doing."

Again, no you don’t. A person who wants this knowledge will be reading the simple explanations of most of this stuff provided by the WHO, CDC and various other sources that break down the science for those without the specialised education to understand the primary reports. You can watch YouTube videos aimed at schoolchildren that break this down if you actually want to.

What you’re doing is bullshit "just asking questions", which is a tired tactic used by those who wish to disrupt honest discussion between people who have already done the research. I expect you fundamentally dishonest people to be creeping up on these threads more and more as the pandemic forces you to have more time on your hands, but no honest will to use it for anything constructive.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3

The GOP has done its best over the past few decades to erode public confidence in expertise of any kind. This is how you end up with anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, and anti-science nutjobs in general — you know, the kind of people who think they’re the experts and the actual experts are lying bastard assholes — getting into positions of power that allow them to inflict their beliefs upon an entire populace.

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PaulT (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

There’s overreacting and "overreacting". The people who are buying all the toilet roll, hand sanitiser and ammo they can get their hands on are worrying, since they’re not only likely to lose it further down the road. The people "overreacting" by self-isolating and shutting down large gatherings of people are fine. The problem is that some people lack the knowledge to understand what the difference is.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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This coronavirus may come back in waves like the swine flu of 1918-19 came in three waves. There is also a good chance that people will catch this more than once and a good chance that because this is so highly contagious and airborne, this will overwhelm resources which will facilitate its continued spread. We will see a new era of law enforcement gone wild. They will ransack and search house to house for supplies for the government above ground. Trump signed into law in his first days of office the laws that will support the legality of these raids and confiscation of property. Wait for it and expect it.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5 Re:

I wonder what Mike sees in you because your character is flawed, just flawed. Its a bitch ever motherfucking comment you have to contradict or make some snide impish remark. I’m done here because of assholes at techdirt. I hope you get this virus and have fun with it you fuck.

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PaulT (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Re:

Yeah, that’s what I meant. You can’t deal with reasonable measures to contain something that – by your own comparison – will be devastating if left unchecked. Best to store ammo and shoot at anyone trying to check on those openly endangering others.

"this is… airborne"

Ignorant, too.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Jury is still out?

"Scientists agree reinfection is an unlikely explanation for patients who test positive a second time"
Can you get coronavirus twice?

"those who have been infected with Covid-19 develop a protective antibody – but it isn’t clear how long the protection lasts. "
Coronavirus: Can you get Covid-19 twice or does it cause immunity?

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Anonymous Coward says:

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under-react and watch our hospitals shut down from a lack of resources

Isn’t this the risk we run every flu season? Perhaps we should quarantine the global population each fall just to be safe. You can never be too safe. Let’s build everyone a cage only to be let out individually for brief recreation. Where do the safety precautions end?

IMHO, we have crossed a safety line that is beyond all reasonableness. Only repressive madness lay ahead.

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PaulT (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Re:

"Isn’t this the risk we run every flu season?"

No. If you’re not educated enough on the subject to understand the differences between that and the current pandemic, it might do you good not to comment on it. If there’s one thing that will cause more people to have major issues in a few weeks, it’s people implying they should ignore current medical advice because it’s not important enough to take special precautions.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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"nobody’s presuming.."

As have you, never at a loss to chime in and jump on another soul like a growling dog baring its teeth in the street, being urged on by the old fat barking dog on the porch in full view of the bright full moon. Education can’t teach grace and patience. And you certainly are proud of that.

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PaulT (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3 Re:

"Thank you for presuming my level of education."

I can only go on the ignorance you presented. Do you have anything not stupid to say?

"Pray tell, please educate me on the differences."

Well, since you refuse to educate yourself, the R0 is of the major concern, which is the ratio of people that are infected. That combined with the fatality rate, which are both notably higher than the seasonal flu, are the reasons this should be addressed now rather than wait until the number of deaths have grown exponentially high enough for people like you to listen to medical advice.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

Isn’t this the risk we run every flu season?

Yes, people go to the hospital during flu season. Yes, people die because of the flu. But the flu has been around long enough that we’ve developed ways to keep it contained and mitigate the damage done by it. The same cannot be said of the coronavirus. Until such time as a cure or a vaccine comes around, we run the risk of spreading it far and wide — especially to those who are most vulnerable to the virus — if we’re exposed to it.

For now, the only way to mitigate whatever damage the coronavirus might do is to follow the advice of experts (e.g., practice social distancing and wash your hands). By doing so, we have a chance to “flatten the curve” such that the growth rate of infected persons doesn’t overwhelm the ability of a given hospital to treat as many of those persons as possible. The measures may seem extreme now, sure — but they’re the best hope for the U.S. to keep from becoming the next Italy.

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wereisjessicahyde (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Re:

A: A large part of the population have some historical immunity to most influenza strains that isn’t the case with Sars-Cov-2.

B: We have flu vaccines, we ain’t got one Sars-Cov-2.

C: The mortality rate for Covid 19 is at least 10 times higher than that of the flu, in some countries even 3 times higher than that.

Anonymous Coward says:

although i think it would be unfair to blame China or any other country for what is happening atm (let’s face it, no country wanted to have this virus start, wherever it did), i do think the only way to prevent anything like this happening in the future is to condemn the country concerned by the rest of the Planet! this attitude of hiding it from everyone else and, even worse, when doctors and others tried to make the authorities aware of what had been found, doing whatever was possible to make those ‘whistle-blowers’ suffer by degrading and condemning them for spreading ‘false rumors’ etc. look at what has happened because of this failure to own up to what was going on and get everyone on board trying to stem the spread and find a solution. unless, of course, the main aim, certainly now, is to use this virus as a way of culling the elderly, the sick and the infirm, without using nuclear means, reducing the global population because of the ginormous fuck-ups that governments everywhere have made in protecting their citizens and managing the purse strings!
after the financial crisis, apart from those countries that were already communist or were leaning towards the ways of Germany in the 30s and 40s (and perhaps even now), so many countries changed to have Conservative-type governments. those governments have done nothing to maintain anything except massive increases in salaries, bonuses and pensions for bosses, while removing or reducing protections for workers. those same workers, in so many instances, are doing more tasks over longer periods than before, with fewer benefits. hence the increase in unemployment and poverty. with the increase in how long people live because of the way illnesses have been controlled, the Planet is suffocating, but those in charge wont admit it. instead, they are introducing more and more citizen surveillance, not to make anywhere more safe but to make sure the people are always watched and cant turn against the establishment. the few ‘haves’ need to ensure they stay like that and us ‘have nots’ dont get back any power that we fought for over hundreds of years. we must be kept as their slaves and they’ll do whatever they can think of to ensure there’s no change. look at where you live, your town, your county, your state, your country. how many factories and shops have shut? how many more are jobless? how many more are in poverty? but how many bosses are still in luxury?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

"the only way to prevent anything like this happening in the future"

It will happen again and again and again. That is the way it is, reaction to it or lack thereof is what causes problems.

As the planet becomes even more over crowded and nothing is done to preclude these pandemics, they will increase in frequency and severity.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

intercontinental migration is not very common

That’s a corollary to my point: Even if a pandemic exists among non-human animals, it’ll be limited to a much smaller space than “the whole world” (or even “a whole continent”) because animals don’t travel like humans. They also don’t ship stuff to and and import stuff from other countries.

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PaulT (profile) says:

Stay safe, people. I’m currently under a certain level of restriction, but I’m more concerned about the safety of those who have no choice than my currently home working ass. It’s all been common sense for the most part – which sadly some people lack. This seems to be bringing out the best and worst in humanity, as all such events do, and we can just hope the that the stupid and selfish don’t ruin things long term for the rest of us.

Automated Reply says:

Re: PLease go outside for fresh air

PaulT, please, don’t let superstition keep you indoors. Go outside, and lick beer glasses, shake some cocks through a glory hole, and pack asses with other asses like Stephen T. Stone, et al.

You types of people need each other in this time of strife, and pandemic.

As for the Stupid and the Selfish, bro-don’t you know you are on THAT list ALREADY?

I hope you get it…I hope you get it…I hope you get it….

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PaulT (profile) says:

Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers - Bill Gates

I’d rather stick to verifiable scientific documentation, thanks. I do notice that you’ve gone from citing your psychopathic sources to just telling people to Google, though. Progress, I guess, since anyone doing that will probably get the sources debunking them as well as whatever you’re thinking of?

Its for the Children, then? says:

Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

So: you are, or aren’t one of Mike Masnicks favorite fakes?

Its for the Childre is the last, most sacred narrative of pedophiles and the FVEYs tribal-religious empire as it dies.

Your countries literally salted the playgrounds of Iraqi school children with depleted uranium.

Try not to take the high ground, where you will find ONLY religious cult affilliated scoundrels and pedophiles, hiding behind little naked children, claiming that such deviance "protects" the kids".

News to the wise: these kids are not protected in any sense, much less by their MIC rapists.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re:

Feel free to hang out in restaurants with other anti-vaxxers and anti-science conservatives. Sneeze all over each other, by all means. Shake hands, kiss on the lips, all that good shit.

But when your refusal to accept science results in you and your family and friends going to the hospital, don’t blame science. You’re the one who refused to listen.

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Same to You says:

Re: Re: Eat COVID-19

Seriously, I hope some hillbilly in your region spits on your hamburger. You/them, inseparable because your form of bi-polar, partisan factitious disorder are no different than yours, just on the other side of stupid invective. You are a one person Integrity Institute.

(Stoney Baloney is on record in another thread claiming that COVID-19 cannot live on shipping containers or packages, lol. Just a little ball of invective and bile, that little POS TDs chosen poster child)

It can live for up to nine days on some surfaces, like SHIPPING PLASTIC, and steel.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re: No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

Thousands of kids who were perfectly normal before getting some vaccines did turn autistic subsequently after. Nice you think you can risk other parent’s children like that by adamately adhering to unknowns. It takes thirty years or more for time testing of some vaccines to be sure of what some side effects cause. You have no base to be spouting with assurity that some vaccines don’t cause autism in some kids.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2 No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

It is more a case that autism becomes detectable about the same time as kids are being vaccinated. Also worth noting that most anti-vaxers have been vaccinated, and so avoided the disease that they are exposing their children to.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Every credible study into a possible connection between vaccines and autism has found no direct causal link between vaccines and autism. As was pointed out before, the reason autism rates have risen is because doctors have been able to diagnose autism as “autism” instead of “little Jimmy ain’t right, send him to an asylum”. That rise had no correlation with vaccines until Wakefield’s bullshit study. Not one study since his has found the kind of causal link that Wakefield said he found (but didn’t).

You can’t offer any study that proves vaccines cause autism. I can’t offer any study that definitively proves the opposite, either. Then again, proving a negative is a notoriously difficult act.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5 Re:

There are plenty of studies linking vaccines to autism. They hide these facts in order to not have an anti-vaccine outbreak for the facts show that more than 90% of kids don’t have an immune reaction to the vaccinations. Still there is a large percentage of serious reactions to them.

ROGS Vulva studies says:

Re: Re: Re:7 not my field, butt....

https://www.circleofdocs.com/30-solid-scientific-studies-that-prove-vaccines-cause-autism/

Just for fun, because apparently, you are an authority in this area.

Right?

Pleas-read all of them, and I expect a full rebuttal.

Otherwise, you are as predicted, just an open mouth, devoid of substance or contribution.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4 No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

Where is your objective scientific research, or papers from qualified experts to support your position. Note, a paper by a doctor who has subsequently been disqualifies, and had the paper withdrawn does not count.

Me, I will trust the experts, like doctors who say vaccination is safe, with only extremely rare bad reactions.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2 No surprise to Anti-vaxxers

Thousands of kids who were perfectly normal before getting some vaccines did turn autistic subsequently after.

Correlation, causation. Did you know lack of pirates causes global warming? It’s true.

You have no base to be spouting with assurity that some vaccines don’t cause autism in some kids.

Yeah, I’m gonna have to stick a [citation needed] on that one. The one I’m aware of (and that started this whole bullshit) was retracted as fraudulent and it’s author lost his medical license.

Although, I have to say your insistence on murdering millions of children to maybe, possibly, spare a few of them of autism is truly a thing to behold.

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Anonymous Coward says:

The one issue is Champaign where the mayor has said that they can take over peesomal and real property as part of the emergency

You can make your electronics useless to the city if it should go that far, at least for phones or tablets.

Just turn on the feature where 15 failed password attempts will result in your phone or tablet wiping or resetting, making your electronics useless to the city of Champaign

And there is another setting where android will not even start without the right password and the phone contents are encrypted

Once any of your electronics wipes and resets!, it cannot be used again without your Google password, bricking your electronics, making them.useless to the city of champaign.

You need to do.this.to.the champaign from accessing any content in your electronics in the event things go that far in champaign or any other city.

I already have phone phone’s security dialed up that insane level, and I encourage everyone else to.do so as well

RTFM for your particular phone on how to dial your phones security up to this insane level

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ROGueS says:

Re: Re: Re:3 WebMD says you are wrong

Um, you are wrong, even WebMD disagrees with you about turmeric, and your bi-polarization of narrative betrays your agenda.

The US/west has attacked Asian people with law and slander since forever.

And, Asian people feel that such usage of these terms IS coded racism which means more to me than what you lily white folk and your enablers say.

SO: both can be true, as Shiva could be on one hand, a total douche, but on the other hand, merely publicizing the fact that the Asian diet is historically more healthy than the western diet, as we know from fact that Indians and other Asians live longer lives (and take better poops every day).

So, the western divide and conquer bipolarity, which demands that when you people hate that you hate entirely and forever, is straight out of biblical and Talmudic narrative, whereas eastern theosophy isn’t so cut and dried.

Or, in this case suffering bi-polar disorder about the health benefits of turmeric.

Medical Meta-Narrative, much?

ROGS says:

Re: Re: Re:5 WebMD says you are wrong

Well, thanks for bringing that up, PaulT Techdirt.

Yes, my last most successful business, aka "New World Order Subverting"enterprise involved a restaurant, and Muslims, and Hindus, "coming together"to produce fabulous food and subvert local politics in my area.

Curry, to be specific. And Korma, and biryani, and tikka masalla,

And yes, the curry was GLORIOUS! And full of turmeric. Quite tasty, in fact. World wide famous!

It was so good, we elected the first Muslim Senator EVER, to congress, and a Somali or two after that after combatting Anti Defamation League slanders and sabotage.

Weird, what happens, when you bring the right, and the left "together,"Bro.

And, "micro-economy, ala Mohammed Younas had a big hand in my demise."

Wanna play a bonus round of ROGS Bingo, pallie?

Yeah. you haven’t even earned entry points.

ROGS says:

Re: Re: Re:7 PaulT and Psychiatric Meta-Narrative, Techdirt

Well, again, I ask you PaulT: why are you the most frequent deployer of psychiatric meta-narrative here at TD?

Seth Farber might have some idea about that:

http://www.sethhfarber.com/farber_essay__response_to_new_york_times__2016__ti_letter_129180.htm

And, your deployment of that narrative is also right in line with Crisis PR agents who work in the Big Pharmaceutical Industry, as well as CIA affilliated, NGOs, government, military, and police functions.

Its a valid question.

PaulT, why do you engage in deploying psychiatric meta-narrativ?

PaulT (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8 PaulT and Psychiatric Meta-Narrative, Techdirt

"Well, again, I ask you PaulT: why are you the most frequent deployer of psychiatric meta-narrative here at TD?"

Because I choose to give you the benefit of the doubt and prefer to believe that you are someone in severe need of psychiatric help, rather than someone whose life is so pathetically empty that they have to pretend to be one in order to get a response from people.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

"socialist ideology infection"

I am interested in a subscription to your news letter because in it I might find your definition for the word socialism. Then it might be possible to understand what you mean by ideology infection, but probably not.

I am curious about whether folk like yourself consider it to be socialism when corporations are given subsidies.

PaulT (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Re:

In the context of the current discussion, "socialism" is countries like France that are guaranteeing that people left locked in by current containment measures don’t lose homes, businesses or utilities, and always have access to healthcare in the mean time. While, the US have ensured a lower class who absolutely have the choice between risking not feeding their family due to no sick pay, bankrupting themselves due to no healthcare options, or infecting everyone around them because they can’t afford to take a day off work. While Wall Street got paid off trillions because they had a bad few days for the same reason, of course.

There’s problems with France’s approach, and certainly problems in the countries I call home, but the choices speak to themselves when you try saying the former is evil.

PaulT (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Re:

To a lot of these guys, "socialism" is people being helped when they don’t "deserve" it. Of course, they themselves always deserve it so it’s not "socialism" when applied to them, they worked hard for their welfare!

It’s hard to root for things like this pandemic, but if it either beats some empathy into them or exposes how vulnerable the US population is without a decent healthcare and welfare safety net, so be it. Sadly, so far I’m just seeing the same people who attacked Obama for his "handout" in an early attempt to stem the 2008 financial crisis now praising Trump for doing the same, even though most of the money is going to Wall Street and not the people who need it.

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R eally O h G reat S urprise! says:

1)Wear you mask every day outside,

2) keep a small spray bottle of alcohol in your jacket/bag and
3) follow a detox protocol when you enter/exit your own home.

4)Wear rubber gloves at the supermarkets/subway/elevators/KFC touchscrens. etc. and

5)carry your own shopping bag everywhere.

6)Wash every/anything you buy from the markets for the next 1.5 months before you store it, eat it etc.

7) wash your fingers EVERY TIME after you touch some foreign hand or object

And, its all over rated-by LESS than you think you will need, because stockpiling is ridiculous, and ineffective (but if you do stockpile, focus on meats, rice, beans, potatoes, etc.)
pornography, weed, and beer

Its really not rocket science, and it works.

Ahh! The fresh air I now breath in a COVID-19 FREE country!

I am laughing at the US response.

ROGueS says:

the absurdity of the TD flag brigade

I can’t believe that TD flag brigade hid thiscomment about public health advice, and freedom!(Murriccastan so free, lol):

1)Wear you mask every day outside,
2) keep a small spray bottle of alcohol in your jacket/bag and
3) follow a detox protocol when you enter/exit your own home.
4)Wear rubber gloves at the supermarkets/subway/elevators/KFC touchscrens. etc. and
5)carry your own shopping bag everywhere.
6)Wash every/anything you buy from the markets for the next 1.5 months before you store it, eat it etc.
7) wash your fingers EVERY TIME after you touch some foreign hand or object

And, its all over rated-by LESS than you think you will need, because stockpiling is ridiculous, and ineffective (but if you do stockpile, focus on meats, rice, beans, potatoes, etc.)
pornography, weed, and beer

Its really not rocket science, and it works.

Ahh! The fresh air I now breath in a COVID-19 FREE country!

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