California Bill Could Introduce A Constitutionally Questionable 'Right To Be Forgotten' In The US

from the well-meaning-but-poorly-thought-out dept

As we've pointed out concerning the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) in the EU, the thinking behind the regulation is certainly well-meaning and important. Giving end users more control over their own data and increasing privacy controls is, generally speaking, a good idea. However, the problem is in the drafting of the GDPR, which is done in a manner that will lead to widespread censorship. A key part of the problem is that when you think solely in terms of "privacy" or "data protection" you sometimes forget about speech rights. I have no issue with giving more control over actually private information to the individuals whose information is at stake. But the GDPR and other such efforts take a much more expansive view of what information can be controlled, including public information about a person. That's why we've been troubled by the GDPR codifying a "right to be forgotten." We've already seen how the RTBF is leading to censorship, and doing more of that is not a good idea.

But now the idea is spreading. Right here in California, Assemblymember Mark Levine has introduced a local version of the GDPR, called the California Data Protection Authority, which includes two key components: a form of a right to be forgotten and a plan for regulations "to prohibit edge provider Internet Web sites from conducting potentially harmful experiments on nonconsenting users." If you're just looking from the outside, both of these might sound good as a first pass. Giving end users more control over their data? Sounds good. Preventing evil websites from conducting "potentially harmful experiments"? Uh, yeah, sounds good.

But, the reality is that both of these ideas, as written, seem incredibly broad and could create all sorts of new problems. First, on the right to be forgotten aspect, the language is painfully vague:

It is the intent of the Legislature to ensure that personal information can be removed from the database of an edge provider, defined as any individual or entity in California that provides any content, application, or service over the Internet, and any individual or entity in California that provides a device used for accessing any content, application, or service over the Internet, when a user chooses not to continue to be a customer of that edge provider.

Any content? Any application? At least the bill does limit "personal information" to a limited category of topics, so we're not just talking about "embarrassing" information, a la the EU's interpretation of the right to be forgotten. But "personal information" is still somewhat vague. It does include "medical information" which is further defined as "any individually identifiable information, in electronic or physical form, regarding the individual’s medical history or medical treatment or diagnosis by a health care professional." So, would that mean that if we wrote about SF Giants pitcher Madison Bumgarner, and the fact that his broken pinky required pins and he won't be able to pitch for a few weeks... we'd be required to take that information down if he requested it? That seems like a pretty serious First Amendment problem.

This is the problem with writing broad legislation that doesn't take into account the reality that sometimes this kind of information is made public for perfectly good reasons.

Similarly, the prohibition on "potentially harmful experiments." How does one define "potentially harmful"? Websites are in a never-ending state of experimentation. That's how they work. Everyone gets a different view on sites like Amazon and Netflix and Facebook and Google, because they're all trying to customize how they look for you. Is that "potentially harmful"? Maybe? It's also potentially very, very helpful. Before just throwing out the ability of websites to try to build better products, it seems like we should have a lot more of an exploration of the issue than just saying nothing "potentially harmful" is allowed. Because almost anything can be "potentially harmful."

Again, I'm quite sure that Levine's intentions here are perfectly good. There are very good reasons (obviously!) why so many people are concerned about the data that companies like Facebook, Google, Amazon and others are collecting on people. And these are big companies with a lot of power. But these rules seem vague and "potentially harmful" themselves. Beyond blocking perfectly natural "experimenting" in terms of how websites are run, these rules won't just impact those giants, but every website, including small ones like, say, this blog. Can we experiment in how we display our information? Or is that "potentially harmful" in that it might upset some of our regulars? That may sound silly, but under this law, it's not at all clear what is meant by "potentially harmful."

There are important discussions to be had about protecting individuals' privacy, and about experiments done by large companies with lots of data. But the approach in this bill seems to just rush into the fray without bothering to consider the actual consequences of these kinds of broad regulations.


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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 12 Apr 2018 @ 6:41am

    Los Angeles: Where people move to to be discovered and also forgotten!

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    Roger Strong (profile), 12 Apr 2018 @ 7:08am

    Most credit checks are done through the web sites of Equifax and other private companies. Could someone with bad credit demand that their information be removed from these "edge providers?" Or how about databases of problem tenants and landlords?

    (I'll bet that the former gets a specific exemption written into the law, but the latter does not.)

    I don't know how daycare centers and others do background checks on the mental health of prospective employees, but I'll bet that in at least some cases private databases are involved. Now with handy web-based lookups.

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      Anonymous Coward, 12 Apr 2018 @ 8:43am

      Re:

      Could someone with bad credit demand that their information be removed from these "edge providers?"

      After a certain number of years, a credit reporting company is actually required to remove negative information. For example, they can only keep a bankruptcy on your report for 10 years.

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    THOSE THAT FORGET THERE PAST ARE DOOMED TO RELIVE , 12 Apr 2018 @ 7:25am

    winston chruchill just rolled over in his grave

    MY NAME SAYS IT ALL.

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      Roger Strong (profile), 12 Apr 2018 @ 7:41am

      Re: winston chruchill just rolled over in his grave

      That would be Santayana, not Churchill.

      And that's being optimistic. The potential for misuse of this law has me more worried about a variation of the saying:

      "Those who would repeat the past must control the teaching of history."
      - Frank Herbert, Dune

      "Right to be forgotten" laws are how you would do it.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 12 Apr 2018 @ 9:13am

      Re: winston chruchill just rolled over in his grave

      Considering it's misspelt, your name says more than you think it does.

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Apr 2018 @ 7:45am

    As with most laws, the enforcement end will likely come down hardest on the people and companies who are the least politically connected and the least able to fight back.

    Isn't that the way it always works?

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    Ninja (profile), 12 Apr 2018 @ 7:55am

    Fun experiment:

    Someone does something awful in a small village that gets public, said person gets his/her punishment and lives on normally. After a few decades that knowledge is still held by part of the people but immigrants and some kids don't know what happened. They then ask the older ones about that first someone and are told the story about the awful thing that person did so the knowledge keeps being relived somehow.

    The question: how is this different from searching for a name on the internet? Are we going to hit people on the head to make them forget some stupid things someone did just because it might soil their reputation?

    There right to be forgotten laws are trying to solve a more fundamental social/human issue. We tend not to believe people can change and redeem themselves. We tend to attach guilt for life and punish them for life. See how people who spent some time in jail simply can't get decent jobs after they are reinserted into social life. People make mistakes and get punished for them. We should only punish them again if they make other mistakes. Maybe then you won't need to erase your past but keep it there as a reminder of how you improved.

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    Toom1275 (profile), 12 Apr 2018 @ 8:25am

    Inb4 a certain "person" abuses it to demand the removal of all proof that he had no part in inventing e-mail.

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Apr 2018 @ 8:36am

    Potentially harmful?

    >How does one define "potentially harmful"?

    If you want an example of how they'd probably interpret that, just look at their cancer warnings, now extending to things like coffee.

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Apr 2018 @ 9:51am

    Matter of Public Significance

    None of these opinions directly controls this case; however, all suggest strongly that if a newspaper lawfully obtains truthful information about a matter of public significance then state officials may not constitutionally punish publication of the information, absent a need to further a state interest of the highest order.

                ——Smith v. Daily Mail (1979)

     

    Our refusal to construe the issue presented more broadly is consistent with this Court's repeated refusal to answer categorically whether truthful publication may ever be punished consistent with the First Amendment.

                ——Bartnicki v Vopper (2001)

     

    A few questions…

    • Is the the principle limited to “newspapers” ?
    • What is a “matter of public significance” ?
    • What is a countervailing “state interest of the highest order” ?

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    SirWired, 12 Apr 2018 @ 9:57am

    This isn't the Right to be Forgotten TD's been complaining about

    This bill appears to mimic GDPR's rules around deleting your own personal data from a company with which you've done business in some form.

    The censorship-promoting Right to Be Forgotten that TD's been (quite correctly) complaining about for a couple years is entirely different.

    I'm not saying that this isn't a bad law (it's certainly sloppily written), but this simply isn't the same RTBF that's been causing all the issues with websearch and press censorship. I think it's important to keep the two separate, as they refer to very different bodies of law.

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Apr 2018 @ 10:12am

    Fun consequences

    Working from the bit quoted, it reads like you could also demand that any entity which received "personal information" cease storing it (regardless of how it was obtained), even for legitimate business purposes, so long as those purposes involve using the Internet for transmission. Critically, the quoted piece does not permit the edge provider to claim an exemption based on not publicly posting the information, so you can demand that they discard all record of the relevant information. This could be a major blow to the pending debacle of Internet-accessible Electronic Health Records.

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Apr 2018 @ 10:21am

    Sounds like a "Right to Cover Up".

    Look - it's no fun parading around showing off your new ill-gotten gains when everyone knows you stole them. How can you lord it over the minions? The angst!

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Apr 2018 @ 1:19pm

    "There are very good reasons (obviously!) why so many people are concerned about the data that companies like Facebook, Google, Amazon and others are collecting on people."

    What are the good reasons? This debate is going to heat up quickly. I have tended to see TD as being on the right side of history on most issues in the past.

    But when it comes to surveillance capitalism and the infiltration of corporate america (and the government, via the patriot act etc) into our homes and lives through their increasingly agressive data... exfiltration practices, I am not sure that I agree. My perception is that TD tends to reflexively side with the big Silicon Valley players' interests and not properly consider the legimate opposing concerns.

    TD should consider doing a series of interviews with prominent thought leaders in this area to show the range of views. This would help to cut through some of the noise and disinformation and foster a truly informed, evidence-based debate. It could include the more libertarian perspectives but also the views of privacy proponents and FOSS enthusiasts. Maybe start with Richard Stallman and Edward Snowden.

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      Anonymous Coward, 12 Apr 2018 @ 1:40pm

      Prominent Thought Leaders [was Re: ]

      TD should consider doing a series of interviews with prominent thought leaders …

      “Prominent thought leaders” is a phrase which lends itself well to ridicule.

      You got names?

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      Anonymous Coward, 13 Apr 2018 @ 9:11am

      Re:

      Sounds like you should start a web service that tells other websites exactly what they should be doing, I'm positive you would have tons of customers.

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    Carrie (profile), 12 Apr 2018 @ 3:48pm

    There California goes again, writing legislation that will amount to nothing more than a wealth transfer from taxpayers, to state coffers, to First Amendment lawyers.

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