Supreme Court Reminds US Government That Hate Speech Is, In Fact, Free Speech

from the you-may-not-like-it,-but... dept

We've written a few times now about the case involving the band "The Slants" and their fight against the US Patent and Trademark Office concerning whether or not the band could trademark its own name (and, yes, this case is indirectly tied to the fight over whether or not the Washington Redskins can keep its team name trademarked). The key issue is a part of trademark law -- §1052(a) -- that says that the USPTO can deny trademarks if they "disparage... or bring into contempt or disrepute... persons, living or dead." When we first came across this case, a few years back, I argued that this clause did not violate the First Amendment. My argument, originally, was that a failure to grant a trademark was not restricting speech in any way (in fact, it was the opposite -- it was allowing more speech, since the registered trademark could no longer be used to block the speech of others).

But the issue is a tricky one, and after thinking about it more, reading much more and talking to a number of lawyers, my position shifted. And the hinge on which it shifted was this: the problem with 1052(a) was that it involved the government determining whether it "blessed" something with a trademark based on the content. And that, right there, has always been seen as a problem for the First Amendment. The government should not be making any subjective decisions based on expression -- and, yet, under 1052(a) it was. And now... the Supreme Court has agreed with that view and has struck down 15 USC 1052(a) as unconstitutional under the First Amendment, which makes this a big win for the First Amendment. And, on top of that, the Court went so far as to state upfront that a favorite claim of lots of angry people (on all sides of the political spectrum) these days -- that "hate speech" is somehow not "free speech" -- is simply untrue. The full ruling is 39 pages, which includes different Justices agreeing on some parts and not others, and writing separate concurring opinions -- but the overall point is clear. The court notes that the government, itself, is protected by the First Amendment and can take its own viewpoint on things, but this is different, because it's not content created by the government:

At issue here is the content of trademarks that are registered by the PTO, an arm of the Federal Government. The Federal Government does not dream up these marks, and it does not edit marks submitted for registration. Except as required by the statute involved here, 15 U. S. C. §1052(a), an examiner may not reject a mark based on the viewpoint that it appears to express. Thus, unless that section is thought to apply, an examiner does not inquire whether any viewpoint conveyed by a mark is consistent with Government policy or whether any such viewpoint is consistent with that expressed by other marks already on the principal register. Instead, if the mark meets the Lanham Act’s viewpoint-neutral requirements, registration is mandatory.

Thus, there is no legitimate argument that barring the government from rejecting trademarks for disparagement violates the government's own First Amendment rights.

Then, there's the question of whether this is denying someone a benefit based on their constitutionally protected expression. The PTO pointed to a few other cases involving government subsidies, which has said the government can deny subsidies over activities it does not wish to promote. However, the Court rejects the PTO's argument here fairly simply, saying that registering a trademark is quite different than getting a subsidy.

The PTO also argues that this issue deserves less First Amendment scrutiny because -- by definition -- trademarks involve commercial speech. But the Court rejects that and makes its most forceful statement in support of free speech -- even when hateful. It's this part of the ruling that seems likely to be quoted in many free speech cases in the future concerning hateful speech:

But no matter how the point is phrased, its unmistakable thrust is this: The Government has an interest in preventing speech expressing ideas that offend. And, as we have explained, that idea strikes at the heart of the First Amendment. Speech that demeans on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, disability, or any other similar ground is hateful; but the proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express “the thought that we hate.”

Yes. Demeaning speech is hateful. Yes, hateful speech is generally a bad thing. But, no, we don't block it because the First Amendment strongly protects all such speech, out of a fear that opening up that door will allow in censorship of merely controversial ideas.

And the Supreme Court then also makes another important point, that if you allow the First Amendment to be chipped away on "commercial speech" like this, you create all sorts of other problems:

There is also a deeper problem with the argument that commercial speech may be cleansed of any expression likely to cause offense. The commercial market is well stocked with merchandise that disparages prominent figures and groups, and the line between commercial and non-commercial speech is not always clear, as this case illustrates. If affixing the commercial label permits the suppression of any speech that may lead to political or social “volatility,” free speech would be endangered.

You need to protect the speech you dislike because the speech you may like may be disliked by others.

In the end, this is a good win for the First Amendment and for free speech.


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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 12:11pm

    1st vs. 4th Amendment

    Interesting the the SCOTUS has a problem with

    "... if you allow the First Amendment to be chipped away on "commercial speech" like this, you create all sorts of other problems"

    yet they allow the 4th Amendment to be chipped away.

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      ShadowNinja (profile), 19 Jun 2017 @ 12:28pm

      Re: 1st vs. 4th Amendment

      Courts do this in cycles.

      For decades the courts had no problem blatantly ignoring the 14th amendment and it's equal protections clauses right after it was ratified.

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      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 1:19pm

        Re: courts

        "Courts do this in cycles"


        because court decisions are always arbitrary -- made by specific government bureaucrats in medieval costumes

        lotsa implications in this SCOTUS decision -- seems FCC will no longer be able to censor TV/Radio

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          Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 1:32pm

          Re: Re: courts

          They could be stopped if the legislative branch of government would destroy kangaroo courts that like to dabble in legislating from the bench.

          "lotsa implications in this SCOTUS decision -- seems FCC will no longer be able to censor TV/Radio"

          They never should have been allowed to do that anyways. But talking bad about the FCC here at TD is not a good idea.

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          • identicon
            Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 5:59pm

            Re: Re: Re: courts

            All that eating leaded paint has warped you fragile little mind.

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            • identicon
              Anonymous Coward, 20 Jun 2017 @ 6:54am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: courts

              Well since I saw this FCC coming from a mile away it must mean you ate more lead paint chips than me. I was not aware that I was participating in the idiot Olympics with you. I will try to work on devolving myself to fit into your crowd a bit better.

              Could you tell me the supplier of YOUR leaded paint chips? Mine obviously lack quality.

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    • identicon
      Wendy Cockcroft, 20 Jun 2017 @ 5:03am

      Re: 1st vs. 4th Amendment

      I daresay it's because authoritarianism has no problem with minorities being bashed. That said, I think they called it right here; downright nasty speech must be protected so the rest of us can express controversial opinions.

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      Bergman (profile), 20 Jun 2017 @ 10:15am

      Re: 1st vs. 4th Amendment

      The same is true of the 2nd amendment. At the moment, we have two separate court rulings that, taken together, ban 100% of all firearms from civilian ownership.

      When the Gun Control Act of 1968 was challenged in court, SCOTUS ruled that the Act prohibited only weapons that were not militarily useful, and that the 2nd amendment only protected those weapons useful to a militia.

      More recently, the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that assault weapons are not protected by the second amendment because civilians have no need to own military weapons. Leaving aside the fact that an assault weapon is a hunting weapon with one or more safety or cosmetic features in common with a military weapon, these two decisions taken together mean that ALL can be constitutionally prohibited for civilian ownership in the 4th Circuit!

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  • identicon
    Anon, 19 Jun 2017 @ 12:14pm

    It makes sense...

    Just because your trademarked name is "The Slants" or gooks, or chinks, or <insert offensive or obscene name here> does not mean the general media is obliged to give you airtime or print space or whatever... All it does is say "you were first to stake your claim". The Feds are not implicitly endorsing your claim, only recognizing it's "originality" or uniqueness for its purpose.

    My only concern is that a sudden change of policy results in the trademark equivalent of cybersquatting. I feel it should be incumbent on the trademark office to ensure the registration is for a legitimate business purpose.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 12:18pm

      Re: It makes sense...

      Someone, somewhere is pondering the potential profit models of this list.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 12:21pm

      Re: It makes sense...

      "I feel it should be incumbent on the trademark office to ensure the registration is for a legitimate business purpose."

      Still another avenue for suppression of free speech. The only requirement should be...

      "A commercially available product being actively traded under that mark"

      Once a mark is not being traded on, it should be restored to the public domain where all can use and no longer made available for registration as a mark.

      This means that trademark squatters can only do their worst for a short time and unless they are actively trading a product or service under that mark, they lose it to public domain.

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        TKnarr (profile), 19 Jun 2017 @ 2:26pm

        Re: Re: It makes sense...

        You'd need to have it allow a certain amount of time after registration before a product had to be traded, otherwise you're going to open a whole new front-running industry based around watching for new products about to be introduced and grabbing the relevant trademarks just before the products went on the market.

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        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 11:31pm

          Re: Re: Re: It makes sense...

          Actually the folks who are coming up with new products frequently front-run the trademark themselves while the product is still in being designed. That's one reason you see leaks about new products -- you can learn a lot about what's going to come out in a few months to a year by scraping the trademark registries.

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        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 20 Jun 2017 @ 6:58am

          Re: Re: Re: It makes sense...

          Agree, and it needs to prevent businesses from using lengthy development schedules as a form of squatting as well.

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      Steerpike (profile), 20 Jun 2017 @ 12:18pm

      Re: It makes sense...

      Won't have anything to do with an equivalent of cybersquatting. All of the content-neutral requirements of the Lanham Act are still in place. "Squatting" on a trademark is no harder or easier now than before. You still have to show use in commerce relatively quickly, even if you file an intent-to-use application.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 12:15pm

    So are we going to see a flood of racial epithets become trademarked or what?

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 12:16pm

    YAY!

    Big win for the 1st and deservedly so...


    Now...
    "The court notes that the government, itself, is protected by the First Amendment and can take its own viewpoint on things, but this is different, because it's not content created by the government: "

    My brain hurt trying to read that. The government is not an object that obtains protection from the First. The people of government are protected as citizens, but not as officials during the administration of their duties. I am not really certain what you meant that and the following "quote" did not clarify it either.

    The only thing I can think of is that you are implying that they (the defense) tried to use the Lanham Act as a "support" for allowing government to suppress registration because it was found to be offensive.

    Considering the age of that Act, you can start to get a good idea of how long free speech has been under assault. Sadly it is still working and many new and ignorant people are STILL like what you once used to be and some even support the complete destruction of the 1st.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 12:54pm

      Re: YAY!

      The government is not an object that obtains protection from the First.

      We've recognized that organizations receive protection form the first amendment from the time of writing the constitution. In fact, the constitution states nothing about protections for the speech of individuals, or citizens, or people, or humans. It provides exactly zero description of the required source of protected speech, only that speech itself is protected.

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      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 1:24pm

        Re: Re: YAY!

        "It provides exactly zero description of the required source of protected speech, only that speech itself is protected."

        It does provide a source. In fact because of how this source is described is how people use the idea that businesses are not people to remove the rights of people in business.

        "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

        This makes all wording in the Constitution to imply that they only apply to Citizens. The Constitution does not apply to any non-citizens of any kind.

        That said... Government is DIFFERENT! It is an entity that has NO RIGHTS, but instead... Powers. It is critical to understand what that means.

        Our entire constitutional, and legal system is in shambles because people will not study and read about the founding fathers and what everything about the constitution meant.

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        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 1:40pm

          Re: Re: Re: YAY!

          This makes all wording in the Constitution to imply that they only apply to Citizens. The Constitution does not apply to any non-citizens of any kind.

          Why? All it says is that the citizens have created this document for the following reasons. It definitely implies that only citizens have the authority to change the document, but I don't see anything implying that the document only applies to citizens. In fact, it can't only apply to citizens, else not a single law in the country would apply to non-citizens. Taxes, for example, could not be levied against non-citizens as the wording allowing the government to levy taxes applies only to citizens.

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          • identicon
            Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 1:47pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: YAY!

            "and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity"

            Having trouble reading that part? It does make it crystal clear. These blessing of liberty are secured to ourselves... NOT OTHERS!

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            • identicon
              Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 2:26pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: YAY!

              That we intend to secure liberty for ourselves does not require or imply that said liberty should be intentionally and specifically barred from others. I'm concerned that you can't see that.

              Also consider that the first amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

              It specifically mentions "the people" in regards to only two of the rights outlined (assembly and petition). If this was already implied by the opening, why specifically mention them here, and only in two out of the five rights?

              They could have easily said "...or of the right to peaceably assemble and petition the Government..."

              or alternatively "...or abridging the people's freedom of speech..."

              Instead, they specifically applied "the people" to only two specific rights, while not referencing them in the previous statements of rights.

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              • identicon
                Anonymous Coward, 20 Jun 2017 @ 7:25am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: YAY!

                "That we intend to secure liberty for ourselves does not require or imply that said liberty should be intentionally and specifically barred from others. I'm concerned that you can't see that."

                No, I am afraid you are the one with the limited picture. This is just a directive that states that the Government can never make these laws. So if a government lacks power to DO something then it of course means that by proxy everyone, including non-citizens will be able to enjoy that liberty. That said, it is still not "conferring" any rights to non-citizens, it is just a by-product of the Government being restrained from doing something.

                Just because you are "unable" to physically lift your arm and punch someone after they punched you, does not "confer" that they have a "right" to not be punched.


                "Instead, they specifically applied "the people" to only two specific rights, while not referencing them in the previous statements of rights."

                Is that really the best you can come up with? They don't need to have "the people" anywhere else in the document because the *Preamble* makes a "Universal, Non-Revocable, Unmistakable (for smart people without corrupt agendas) declaration that the Constitution in whole and part, in it's entirety, applies only to "The People of the United States". It does not apply to anyone else and it does not apply based on geographic locations.

                Your gross ignorance is the exact reason the government feels they are free to wipe their ass with this document. You are simply too uninformed and lacking of any significant insights or historical perspective about this document.

                The worse part... is that you cannot even understand plain and simple English. This happens to be critical if you hope to understand what it means.

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                • identicon
                  Anonymous Coward, 20 Jun 2017 @ 9:50am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: YAY!

                  That's fine then. Assuming that your interpretation is correct, then we simply have to rename this "Preamble Protections" rather than "First Amendment Protections" when considering the speech of organizations and non-citizens. A bit pedantic, but the end result is the same. The government (and everyone/everything else) is granted freedom of speech.

                  That is, under your interpretation the Constitution grants the legislative branch the authority to create laws applying to "the people." The First Amendment prevents those laws from abridging "the people's" freedom of speech. The Preamble prevents those laws from applying to everything else, thus preventing the passage of laws which abridge everything else's freedom of speech.

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            • identicon
              Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 2:36pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: YAY!

              These blessing of liberty are secured to ourselves... NOT OTHERS!

              So says every racist and bigot in history.

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                Anonymous Coward, 20 Jun 2017 @ 7:08am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: YAY!

                So telling facts is an act of bigotry and racism now?

                Good to know, no wonder people cannot take people like you seriously. You should consider some yoga or zen meditation of some kind, you are wound up so tight your little mind is snapping.

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              The Wanderer (profile), 21 Jun 2017 @ 9:56am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: YAY!

              That quote could be paraphrased as "For the purpose of securing the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, we establish these rules."

              That doesn't restrict the rules from applying to people other than "ourselves and our posterity"; it only states the purpose behind the rules.

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          Cdaragorn (profile), 19 Jun 2017 @ 1:40pm

          Re: Re: Re: YAY!

          Nothing in that wording implies that the protections of the Constitution only apply to Citizens. It simply states the locale under which these rules apply for the obvious reason that we can only enforce our rules on our land.

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          • identicon
            Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 1:45pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: YAY!

            Incorrect, the Constitution is applied at the Citizen dealing with Government level. This is not location specific despite what you and many others unfortunately think.

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            • identicon
              Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 6:04pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: YAY!

              Him, us, courts at all levels of government, most people who've actually read the constitution, etc etc.

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          R.H. (profile), 19 Jun 2017 @ 9:26pm

          Re: Re: Re: YAY!

          The Supreme Court stated in a 1905 ruling (JACOBSON v. COM. OF MASSACHUSETTS, 197 U.S. 11 (1905) 197 U.S. 11) that the preamble of the Constitution that you quoted there wasn't legally binding.

          Here's the opinion of the court (written by Justice Harlan) in that ruling [emphasis mine]:

          We pass without extended discussion the suggestion that the particular section of the statute of Massachusetts now in question ( 137, chap. 75) is in derogation of rights secured by the preamble of the Constitution of the United States. Although that preamble indicates the general purposes for which the people ordained and established the Constitution, it has never been regarded as the source of any substantive power conferred on the government of the United States, or on any of its departments. Such powers embrace only those expressly granted in the body of the Constitution, and such as may be implied from those so granted. Although, therefore, one of the declared objects of the Constitution was to secure the blessings of liberty to all under the sovereign jurisdiction and authority of the United States, no power can be exerted to that end by the United States, unless, apart from the preamble, it be found in some express delegation of power, or in some power to be properly implied therefrom.

          Seeing as this ruling is over a century old now, a future ruling (or Constitutional Amendment) could change things but, until then, the preamble isn't going to be considered binding by any lower court.

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    Ninja (profile), 19 Jun 2017 @ 12:26pm

    I'm genuinely amazed. I will have to replicate what the SUPREME COURT itself said here and we should save in our notepads as the standard reply to those advocating for hate speech censoring.

    "Speech that demeans on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, disability, or any other similar ground is hateful; but the proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express “the thought that we hate.”"

    Beautiful.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 12:32pm

      Re:

      I can already hear it now...

      "I am not saying that you don't have a right to free speech, I am just saying you do not have a right to offend me."

      The lines blur too easily and rarely do we see a defense like this. I too am actually grateful and impressed that SCOTUS mounted a comment like this.

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        Richard (profile), 19 Jun 2017 @ 12:54pm

        Re: Re:

        You do not have the right not to be offended.

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          Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 1:33pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          Sadly, far too many think they do have a right to not be offended.

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            Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 1:43pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            my mantra i repeat ad nauseum in these instances:
            you have the right to NOT be assaulted;
            you do NOT have the right to NOT be insulted...

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              Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 2:11pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              I would refine that to be you do not have a RIGHT to assault others. But you do not have a right to NOT be assaulted.

              If you break into someones house... yea, you might face a lead assault.

              Rights are better associated with things you CAN do. not really with things you cannot do for the obvious reasons. yes, I know it is tempting to create the bill of NO rights and its a funny joke but there is a reason people need to know why the Constitution was written the way it was. Far too many just allow the Government to tell them what it means, when it is obvious the Government is more than willing to lie.

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        Ninja (profile), 20 Jun 2017 @ 3:18am

        Re: Re:

        Sadly this 'right not to be offended' is encoded in constitutions and similar mechanisms around the world.

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  • identicon
    Mick, 19 Jun 2017 @ 12:59pm

    Being anti-"Hate speech" is liberal virtue signaling. Everyone knows that short of threats or inciting, speech is protected. There is no "hate speech" law in USA.

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      Roger Strong (profile), 19 Jun 2017 @ 2:02pm

      Re:

      Well. With some Made in the USA exceptions.

      Food libel laws for example. Elsewhere you might get sued for disparaging a specific brand, like McDonalds. In the USA you can be sued for disparaging beef. No brand, no corporation mentioned, just beef.

      Or for disparaging meat by-products allowed in the USA but banned for human consumption in Canada and the European Union and elsewhere.

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      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 2:12pm

        Re: Re:

        Talk about having a "beef" with someone...

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        Wendy Cockcroft, 20 Jun 2017 @ 5:11am

        Re: Re:

        That is CRAZY! Here in Manchester we've got a campaign by committed vegans who are trying to convince us that meat is murder, how could you be so cruel to Larry the Lamb?, kind of thing. So... how would they fare under those laws? Isn't that a restriction on their freedom of speech and expression?

        For the record I'm a raging carnivore, but damn it I won't stand for attempts to shut those people up on the grounds that I might be the one wearing the gag one day for my own views.

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          Roger Strong (profile), 20 Jun 2017 @ 1:45pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          Yup. Even crazier, as the first link notes:

          In some states these laws also establish different standards of proof than are used in traditional American libel lawsuits, including the practice of placing the burden of proof on the party being sued.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 2:06pm

      Re:

      I hate it when people disagree with me. That makes what they say "hate speech".

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 1:07pm

    YEAH! Now the Redskins can get their trademark and copyrights back. It's time we stopped being politically correct and that the government stop trying to be our social nanny. If I want to scream, "get 'em, redskins" then I have the right to say it, or to support the redskins. lols

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2017 @ 1:23pm

    someone needs to remind Theresa May and Amanda Rudd in the UK of that fact too! but then, they aren't interested in anything, including stopping terrorism, only in being able to remove as many rights and human rights as possible so as to be able to spy on everyone!! look at the shit they both spout as soon as there is an attack on someone in the UK. 'it wouldn't have happened if we could only have surveillance on the whole world!' they do it anyway, without permission, but if what they were doing was actually effective, if what they already knew about those concerned with the various atrocities that have happened recently, and action been taken, maybe those atrocities would NOT have happened, but, in my opinion, nothing was done intentionally, just to add fuel to the fire they want to bring similar laws into being that the Nazis tried and millions were killed in stopping!!

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 20 Jun 2017 @ 12:40am

    I look forward to seeing this new era of reinforced freedom of speech being extended across your right-wing public so that they now welcome Trump's severed head in a comedy skit, and the comments of pundits and comedians such as Michael Moore, which were previously met with vitriol to the extent of death threats and murder attempts.

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  • identicon
    Rekrul, 20 Jun 2017 @ 7:25am

    Free speech is not only under attack by the government, it's also under attack by all the SJWs (Social Justice Warriors) who would happily censor anything they don't like. Too many people today think that freedom of speech means you can politely disagree with someone or something, but the moment you say anything that offends someone, that crosses a line and needs to be banned.

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