Taylor Swift Is Not The Savior Artists Need

from the the-feel-good-story-that-isn't dept

I'm going to do something crazy and generally not advised on the internet: I'm going to try to make a nuanced argument that cannot be summarized just in the title alone. I fully expect that some will not read through the details, but please, just ignore them in the comments and try to focus on the full argument presented here.

Let me start out this post by noting a key thing: from the beginning, it was stupid that Apple had negotiated a deal with record labels in which copyright holders would not be compensated with royalties for the three-month "trial period" of Apple's new streaming music program. It clearly should have agreed to pay the royalties, and it was a really short-sighted move to push for a deal without royalties. It was always going to come back to haunt the company. Second, while I know some people like to attack Swift for a variety of reasons, I actually think she's an incredibly savvy music person, who has built a tremendously successful career, often by maintaining control on her own and not giving it up to the major labels. That's fantastic. But all of that doesn't mean I think what happened this weekend was a good thing (remember: nuanced argument, please read on).

Of course, as you've probably heard, on Sunday, pop star Taylor Swift wrote an "open letter" to Apple on her Tumblr blog about how ridiculous this was, and how she wouldn't allow her latest album to stream on the service because of this -- even though she supports Apple's "no free tier" stance. There's a lot to comment on about her piece but, no matter what, it was effective. Late on Sunday, Apple's Eddy Cue tweeted Apple's capitulation:
And... the internet went kind of wild. The fact that Taylor Swift wrote a blog post that made Apple -- probably the richest and most powerful company in the world -- back down within a day (on a weekend, no less), does have a sort of populist appeal to it. People started jokingly suggesting that Swift should weigh in on politics, the Middle East and much, much more.

Thought pieces were written by-the-dozen about how Swift is the "most powerful woman/person in music/tech." No, really: And that's just the first ones I found in a quick Google search. There are more.

But here's the problem with all of this: it's hogwash, meaningless blather that doesn't change a thing and will have no lasting impact. If anything, the lasting impact may be negative, not positive for artists. And, remember, I actually agree with the overall point that Apple's original decision was the wrong one, and think the company made the right decision to reverse course.

But there are three big problems with the rush to celebrate Swift as the new savior of the music industry over this. First her arguments for why are misleading and not very helpful. Second the overall impact of this move will be minimal to musicians (and other creative types). Third, it will give a false sense of hope to those who rely on obsolete business models, rather than innovating.

Let's break down all three. First: her arguments are kind of useless. Here's the key one, which got lots of people excited:
This is not about me. Thankfully I am on my fifth album and can support myself, my band, crew, and entire management team by playing live shows. This is about the new artist or band that has just released their first single and will not be paid for its success. This is about the young songwriter who just got his or her first cut and thought that the royalties from that would get them out of debt. This is about the producer who works tirelessly to innovate and create, just like the innovators and creators at Apple are pioneering in their field…but will not get paid for a quarter of a year’s worth of plays on his or her songs.
It's very touching. And it's almost entirely hogwash for a variety of reasons. First, if your album is a success, there are all sorts of ways to make money beyond the royalties from Apple Music's streaming service. Swift herself kind of admits this in her first sentence in which she notes that she makes a ton of money playing live shows. And why does she make that much money live? Well, as Tom Conrad rightly points out, her career was built on terrestrial radio play -- which is a free service (the kind that Swift has attacked Spotify over) and which doesn't pay the performers anything at all in the US. You can (and many do!) argue that the law in the US should change on this, but it's the way things are today, and Swift is living proof that being a part of a free service that doesn't pay performance royalties certainly doesn't mean that you end up suffering. In fact, it can lead to an immensely successful and profitable career... like Swift's.

But that brings us to the second problem with that paragraph, which is that for most musicians, this doesn't much matter anyway. That's because the industry's biggest secret, which it always tries to hide from these debates, is that the vast majority of musicians basically make absolutely nothing in royalties. This is due to a combination of factors, starting with the fact that if you're signed to a label, the label is likely keeping nearly everything you get from streaming. When Eddy Cue says "Apple will always make sure that artist [sic] are paid" he's lying. They may make sure the copyright holder gets paid, but that's frequently not the artist.

And, related to this, is the other dirty secret: most musicians don't have a big enough fanbase to generate enough revenue. Most musicians don't make a living, period. That has always been the case. The supporters of the old system like to try to slide this fact under the rug and they do some creative counting, where they only look at the stats of those who have made careers out of music, and they leave out the vast majority who fail. The vast, vast, vast majority of musicians don't make a living, because the music business is tough. It's tough to get attention. It's tough to make good music. It's tough to make money. Apple paying for streaming really only addresses a tiny, tiny, tiny bit of that last one. No musician is going to make it or not based on getting paid in this three-month trial. If they're getting enough plays to matter, then they have other ways to make revenue.
Three months is a long time to go unpaid, and it is unfair to ask anyone to work for nothing. I say this with love, reverence, and admiration for everything else Apple has done. I hope that soon I can join them in the progression towards a streaming model that seems fair to those who create this music. I think this could be the platform that gets it right.
Three months is a long time to go unpaid. But not getting paid by Apple Music does not mean "going unpaid." It just means one small revenue stream is limited while it aims to get up to speed. And, again, Swift herself proves this via the fact that her songs play all the time on the radio — for free, but still helping her get paid. And, even though she can pull it down, she's left her streaming music on YouTube. Furthermore, as others pointed out, Swift herself is a bit of a hypocrite here. She puts ridiculous limits on photographers who are on assignment to photograph her shows, such that it often means they have to put in the work and not get paid -- even as she gets to use their photographs forever. If she's really so concerned about creative types "going unpaid," shouldn't she be paying those photographers for their works?

As for the second point above: the overall impact of this move will be minimal to musicians (and other creative types). As already discussed in point one, for most musicians, this isn't going to move the needle one way or the other. Any musician out there relying on the royalties from Apple Music to make or break their musical career has no musical career. Perhaps it's possible that there are one or two artists at the margin for whom this is helpful, but for the vast majority of artists, this isn't going to make a big difference at all. Additionally, while Apple has said that it will now pay during the trial period, it didn't actually say how much it will pay. Yes, for struggling artists any revenue helps, but trust me, when the first royalty checks from Apple start coming in, I can guarantee there will be musicians complaining online about how little they get. Those stories always get coverage. They'll happen again.

And, of course, for label-affiliated artists, much of it will go to the label anyway, and the artist won't see any of it.

Finally, onto the third, and most concerning point: it will give a false sense of hope to those who rely on obsolete business models, rather than innovating. We're already seeing this in the reverence and adoration being showered on Swift for her blog post, despite its questionable premises -- but more for its impact. And musicians are celebrating this, despite the fact it won't move the needle for them one way or the other. And that's really unfortunate, because here's another chance to do things right by focusing on business models that let them connect directly to fans and give them a reason to buy something. Demanding others pay you money is no substitute for convincing others to willingly pay. One is sustainable, one is not.

But because of this "success," people will still cling to the false notion that the "solution" to content creators' failure to build their own successful business model is to demand that other successful companies give them money. And this goes way beyond music as well. Already, you see people like Jeremy Olshan, Marketwatch's Editor-in-Chief, saying that "journalism needs a Taylor Swift to save content from getting... devalued."
This is wrong on so many levels, but that's another post for another day. But this notion of "a savior" magically swooping in and reviving business models that aren't working any more, based on sheer will, is a myth. And it's a dangerous myth because it gets people focusing on that rather than implementing sustainable business models and creating great content. There is no savior for music. There is no savior for journalism. There is no savior for movies. No talk about "fairness" or "fair compensation" or "ethical compensation" is going to change fundamental economics. Most content creators fail out of making a career of it, and if you're going to succeed, praying for a savior, rather than taking steps to ensure a competent business model, isn't likely to be particularly productive.

To conclude (with nuance baked in): So, again, despite all of this, I think Apple made the wrong move initially, and the right move on Sunday night. However, Taylor Swift's reasoning was silly (even if I think she's a great success story who has built up a tremendous career without ceding much control), and the impact of all this will be basically nil for almost every single artist. But, worst of all, this whole episode reinforces this savior concept, and the false belief that because some companies are successful, while some content creators are not, a savior should just demand "fair compensation" and money will magically rain down upon the creative class. It doesn't work that way. It's never worked that way. And nothing in what happened over the weekend with Swift will change that. If anything, it only serves to distract people from focusing on the business models that do work.

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    Violynne (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 10:44am

    I think this article points out what so damn wrong with "journalism" today.

    The fact Swift doesn't realize she's one of the reasons people would be drawn to a service her music is on is a bit nefarious. There's no damn way the little artists are going to benefit from any streaming service.

    If the little fish didn't have to rely on the bigger fish, perhaps there would be plenty to celebrate, but reality sucks.

    Secondly, Swift receives zero royalties from any streaming service. This should be obvious, but it's not. Her label will get the royalties, and the label is who will cut her a check.

    Note the situation change now. Twice now, Taylor has attacked the wrong source of revenue. If anything, she should be calling out her label for allowing this, not Apple. Apple has nothing to do with this other than having to pay up front costs to license the music.

    But the real kicker is how she's bitching about Apple when her own damn contracts do the same to everyone else who deals with her as an artist.

    Photographers must give up all copyright control if Taylor is in the picture. Refuse? She has the right to destroy expensive equipment.

    The sheer audacity she has to claim unfair treatment by Apple is just another example of entitlement by artists who are popular enough to make demands, forcing everyone to cower because their revenue will be affected.

    Taylor Swift is the female version of Lars Ulrich.

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      Mike Masnick (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 10:50am

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      Secondly, Swift receives zero royalties from any streaming service. This should be obvious, but it's not. Her label will get the royalties, and the label is who will cut her a check.

      That's not fair, because in this case, Swift owns a big chunk of her own label. So, in her case, she absolutely does make money.

      Note the situation change now. Twice now, Taylor has attacked the wrong source of revenue. If anything, she should be calling out her label for allowing this, not Apple. Apple has nothing to do with this other than having to pay up front costs to license the music.

      That's also incorrect. She hasn't been calling out the low royalty rates (which is what you imply). She's called out offering any streaming service for free and/or not paying for the trial period. And, again, she owns her label. So your argument does not make sense here.

      Taylor Swift is the female version of Lars Ulrich.


      I don't think that's accurate either.

      Again, there's a lot of nuance here. Leaping to generalizations that aren't accurate doesn't help.

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        bureau13 (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:14am

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        Actually, Violynne's argument makes perfect sense for all the "little guys" she claims to speak for, just not so much for her particular situation. More power to her I suppose for getting herself into that sort of situation, but as you pointed out yourself: The vast majority of artists have nothing like that arrangement. As for the Lars Ulrich comparison...maybe a more accurate statement would have been "Taylor Swift is the female non-asshole version of Lars Ulrich." I'm sure she means well, she's just misguided. Unfortunately, a lot of people listen to her. Yes, I mean that both ways.

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        Violynne (profile), 24 Jun 2015 @ 3:11am

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        Mike,

        While I did know Taylor had the power to control her own distribution, I didn't know she owned her own label.

        Knowing this, her complaints make the situation even worse.

        Let me ask you: how many artists that will be featured in the streaming service has their own label? Very few, I'm sure.

        This means Taylor's arguments weren't about the other artists, but making sure labels get paid royalties.

        Hopefully, you can see the issue more clearly now.

        But that's not even the true problem. As much as I hate Apple, I'm actually going to defend their original action because the service has absolutely nothing to do with royalty payments.

        It's widely believed Apple paid as much, if not more, for the licensing of the music being streamed that other services has paid. We're talking millions, and this means one thing: Taylor Swift was already paid for the music her label agreed to in the contract.

        To then boldly claim more money should be spent, coming from Apple's pockets during this free trial, is downright insane, if not purely based on greed.

        Just as she attacked Spotify for her misunderstanding of how monies are paid to artists, she's doing the same thing with Apple, a multi-billion dollar company which everyone has been throwing into discussions regarding royalties.

        Her claims are unjust, foolish, and clearly out to benefit only herself.

        I don't dislike Taylor, but this ridiculous assertation is, in my opinion, no different than what Lars Ulrich did when complaining about MP3 sharing without understanding how business works.

        All Apple did was prove that, when trying to innovate with content owned by someone else, they'll have to take the financial risks, burdens, and losses despite having already paid up front for it.

        Techdirt talks about abuse every day. This is another example of abuse.

        The only losers here are going to be the smaller artists who are going to be overshadowed by acts like Taylor, while hoping to hell their label pays them.

        Apple's finances shouldn't have even been in the discussion, other than what they've already paid to get the service started.

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    Anonymous Brainless Taylor Fan, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:03am

    Great Publicity

    The one thing that will come of this is the publicity that Taylor is receiving. It's probably good for 40-50 thousand copies ( a wild ridiculous uneducated guess ).

    And all the FanBouys and FanBabes will love her even more.

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    It's a vice to comment here..., 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:04am

    "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

    You blather on jealous of Taylor Swift but YOU HAVE NO OTHER BUSINESS MODEL. I've asked you probably a hundred times by now over the last six or so of your SEVENTEEN years of blathering.

    I've pointed out many times that GETTING NOTICED IS THE TOUGHEST PART. You have NO advice on how to do that.

    You like Spotify for unknown reason, supported it paying artists less. You ignored the BIG story that Spotify isn't yet profitable even with 60 million listeners, a quarter of them PAYING, rest getting ads.

    You (all) can't seem to distinguish between the evil ??AAs and artists: YOU DON'T CALL FOR TARGETING CORPORATIONS, just insist that piracy (neither corporations nor artists getting money) is good for artists!

    You definitely don't support Populism. Not when getting funded by Google and other corporations in your so-called "think tank".

    This is just another of your characteristic attempts after facts can't be denied to claim: "I was right all along!" Also characteristically LATE: you dodged taking any position on it while was going!


    Oh, and the call to ignore dissenting comments! What a hoot! You can't answer them, so just ignore!

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    It's a vice to comment here..., 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:06am

    "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

    You blather on jealous of Taylor Swift but YOU HAVE NO OTHER BUSINESS MODEL. I've asked you probably a hundred times by now over the last six or so of your SEVENTEEN years of blathering.

    I've pointed out many times that GETTING NOTICED IS THE TOUGHEST PART. You have NO advice on how to do that.

    You like Spotify for unknown reason, supported it paying artists less. You ignored the BIG story that Spotify isn't yet profitable even with 60 million listeners, a quarter of them PAYING, rest getting ads.

    You (all) can't seem to distinguish between the evil ??AAs and artists: YOU DON'T CALL FOR TARGETING CORPORATIONS, just insist that piracy (neither corporations nor artists getting money) is good for artists!

    You definitely don't support Populism. Not when getting funded by Google and other corporations in your so-called "think tank".

    This is just another of your characteristic attempts after facts can't be denied to claim: "I was right all along!" Also characteristically LATE: you dodged taking any position on it while was going!


    Oh, and the call to ignore dissenting comments! What a hoot! You can't answer them, so just ignore!

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:08am

      Re: "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

      I think he's gonna blow soon. Yahooo!

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:19am

      Re: "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

      You blather on jealous of Taylor Swift but YOU HAVE NO OTHER BUSINESS MODEL.

      In case it isn't clear - YOUR failing business is YOUR fucking problem.

      I've pointed out many times that GETTING NOTICED IS THE TOUGHEST PART. You have NO advice on how to do that.

      YOUR not getting noticed is YOUR fucking problem.

      You ignored the BIG story that Spotify isn't yet profitable even with 60 million listeners, a quarter of them PAYING, rest getting ads.

      This one is SPOTIFY'S (and their shareholder's) fucking problem, not mine.

      In short, I'm sorry the music business is tough. But if you want me to help you fix it, then YOU can start by fucking paying ME for the help.
      Surely this is something you can understand.

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        Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:24am

        Re: Re: "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

        LOL. No thanks, doin just fine in spite of your "efforts", Mike.

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          Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:43am

          Re: Re: Re: "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

          My name isn't Mike - however, if you're doing so well, why the "whiny bitch" rant?

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          techflaws (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 10:48pm

          Re: Re: Re: "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

          And totally convincing!

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      Baron von Robber, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:23am

      Re: "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

      The Stupid is strong in this one.

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      Gwiz (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:23am

      Re: "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

      Oh, and the call to ignore dissenting comments! What a hoot! You can't answer them, so just ignore!


      It wasn't a call to ignore dissenting comments - it was a call to ignore uninformed, ignorant commenters who didn't read and comprehend the whole article - like you.

      But, I do understand your outrage about ignoring dissenting comments - that's your patented modus operandi to a tee.

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:51am

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      I love how you toss out "college boy" as an insult.

      troll not need no sculling to be edumacated!

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:55am

      Re: "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

      From her own words:-
      Thankfully I am on my fifth album and can support myself, my band, crew, and entire management team by playing live shows.

      Its is actually an old model, and live shows are the means by which most successful musicians make their money, recording on the other hand is how the labels make .

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      ottermaton (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:55am

      Re: "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

      FFS, don't bother replying to this troll. Report it, and everyone who replies, and move on.

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      JP Jones (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 12:23pm

      Re: "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

      You blather on jealous of Taylor Swift but YOU HAVE NO OTHER BUSINESS MODEL.

      You mean like the business model where all the content here is free and can be freely replicated elsewhere? Yeah, that clearly doesn't work...

      I've pointed out many times that GETTING NOTICED IS THE TOUGHEST PART. You have NO advice on how to do that.

      You mean like releasing your content for free, which naturally increases exposure, thus leading to more fans, and eventually more money? This is pretty much this site's entire argument...selling things that are limited and not relying on copyright to make an unlimited good into an artificially scarce one because it's counter-productive. The purpose behind this argument is to help with getting noticed, which, as you said, is the toughest part.

      No advice? That's literally this site's main point. Try reading this, this, and this, all of which discuss core concepts of Techdirt as it relates to business models. Considering these articles are part of the "New to Techdirt?" list at the bottom of the site I'm not sure how you could argue Mike doesn't present advice.

      YOU DON'T CALL FOR TARGETING CORPORATIONS, just insist that piracy (neither corporations nor artists getting money) is good for artists!

      [Citation needed]. That being said, and this is my opinion, piracy can be good for artists! You said it yourself, in fact, in the second part I quoted...getting noticed is the toughest part. If that is true, then "piracy" increases exposure. This is pretty much what advertising is, by definition.

      Someone who doesn't know about your content, or doesn't know if they will like it, is unlikely to ever buy any of it. People generally don't spend money randomly (maybe frivolously, but generally they know or think they know what they're buying). A pirate doesn't pay, sure, but neither does the ignorant potential customer.

      The difference is that pirate has been exposed to the content...the potential customer hasn't. We spend so much on advertising because it works, and the pirate is much more likely to buy the content in the future than the unexposed individual.

      I know I'm wasting my time because you've already decided that copyright infringement is theft. You most likely believe that piracy is a lost sale, and that if the pirate weren't able to get something for free, they would have bought it instead. There's little evidence for this, and even in cases where it is true, it generally only applies to content that is already popular. Which doesn't help the people in your second paragraph.

      Anti-piracy fanatics love to point out piracy rates and the couple of instances where loss of big piracy sites (usually temporarily) slightly increased sales rates for legal retailers. They like to ignore the strong correlation from multiple studies where the individuals who pirate the most content also tend to be the biggest spenders on content, because that doesn't fit their "Piracy is theft...you wouldn't steal a car!" narrative.

      Now, what Mike has actually argued, and I agree with, is the piracy is generally a service issue, not a social one. Piracy rates tend to decrease in areas where legal alternatives approach the quality and convenience of pirate sites at a reasonable price. The actual number of sites that do this are very few (and I would argue all are strictly inferior to pirate sites, both in breadth of content and actual value in the product received, regardless of price).

      He has stated, and I agree, that offering legal alternatives that do not fetter customers with frustrating restrictions or ridiculous pricing will reduce piracy rates to a few die-hards who refuse to pay for anything (and will never be customers regardless). Keep in mind that buying power per customer is not linear; I "pirated" a lot of anime during my college years because A) most of it wasn't available in the U.S. and B) I didn't have any money. It didn't really matter if it was cheap; I couldn't afford to spend cash on anime.

      I did, however, become a huge fan during those years, and now I've bought a lot of anime. It's more convenient to buy and lets me maintain a nice collection. I promptly rip all of it off those useless pieces of plastic they ship it in for actual use (the DVDs never actually leave my shelf once ripped) but I've spent literally thousands of dollars on anime. If I hadn't been introduced and developed a liking for it during college, however, there's no way I'd have had the time to discover it now, and all that money would never have been spent.

      The world is only black-and-white if you are a child, fanatic, or idiot. Which are you?

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        jupiterkansas (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 1:59pm

        Re: Re: "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

        You've just given him so much more of your time and brainpower than he ever deserves or could possibly appreciate.

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          Baron von Robber, 23 Jun 2015 @ 2:20pm

          Re: Re: Re: "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

          ...or comprehend

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 12:27pm

      Re: "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

      Look everybody, Goatse is posting on this thread.

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 5:48pm

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      If it's such a vice to post here as you've said, why do you keep doing it?

      Are you a pirate, blue boy?

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      JMT (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 6:41pm

      Re: "focusing on the business models that do work" -- OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THOSE, COLLEGE BOY?

      "You like Spotify for unknown reason, supported it paying artists less."

      No, the argument was that Spotify should pay rightsholders the same as everyone else, not more. Are you terribly forgetful or just lying?

      "You ignored the BIG story that Spotify isn't yet profitable..."

      This has been mentioned many, many times. Again, forgetful or lying?

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    John, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:10am

    Taylor Swift did indeed pull her streaming music from Youtube. All that's on Youtube is actual videos--which are intended to be promotional. Full albums are nowhere to be found.

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    Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:10am

    First, I disagree with the 3 month deal. Apple has every right to negotiate the best contract it can with every company including Swift's. That she disagrees with the free intro is to her benefit, but that doesn't equate to another label or artist and their contract. After all, if Sony gets a most favored nation clause with Apple like they did with Spotify, it may be more beneficial than that 3 month leeway. What the artists actually receive of course has nothing to do with the contract usually, as you stated.

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 12:09pm

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      Apple has every right and the record companies have every right. That is the thing about negotiations: The most nasty and despicable scum often takes the brotherpart, while shrouding it in a veil of secrecy.

      I would argue for at least some balance in negotiations. Not because it is "right", but to avoid too one-sided first deals since they make the standard for future deals. Same would go for lawmaking and jurisprudence.

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    Krish (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:12am

    I can't help but wonder if this was the plan all along. Apple looks like the good guy and the record labels, the people who negotiate the shitty deal, look like they don't have the artist's best interests at heart.

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      Scott Yates (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:25am

      I was wondering the EXACT same thing. It seems VERY convenient that she whined and Apple capitulated. All over the weekend no less.

      Smells like a set-up to me.

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    David Longfellow, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:20am

    Motives

    If I were to bet who was more on the side of artists, I would be all in on Swift.

    Apple's motives are simple. Maximizing Apple profits.

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      Baron von Robber, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:25am

      Re: Motives

      This artist disagrees.

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:33am

      Re: Motives

      I hate to tell you, but I doubt Swift is some saint donating all her incoming to starving artists. I'm sure her contract with Apple is benefiting her or she wouldn't of signed the contract.

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:57am

      Re: Motives

      And how does that differ from the labels, or any other middleman's motives, or many successful artists motives for that matter?

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      JMT (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 6:44pm

      Re: Motives

      So what side are the record labels on? They agreed to the deal too. Their motives are exactly the same as Apple's; maximizing their profits.

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    John, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:22am

    Spotify is not comparable to terrestrial radio. Pandora and iTunes Radio are, but Spotify's free tier is just an ad-supported on-demand service.

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    John, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:22am

    Spotify is not comparable to terrestrial radio. Pandora and iTunes Radio are, but Spotify's free tier is just an ad-supported on-demand service.

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    Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:22am

    This post by Mike Masnick and the people that believe it are both delusional and hilarious.

    Keep livin in 2003 y'all!

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      Mason Wheeler (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:35am

      Re:

      So what claim, exactly, are you making here? That in 2003 the labels' legacy business model was outdated, but today it's relevant again?

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:37am

      Re:

      What is delusional about it? Seems to make sense and I had come to a couple of those conclusions myself before the article had come out?

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        Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:52am

        Re: Re:

        You people like to ignore the BILLIONS of dollars Apple grosses from downloads on their iTunes store. You like to pretend that recorded music isn't a very desired commodity. That musicians don't make money from it. That thinking is unquestionably delusional. I have true pity for you.

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          Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:59am

          Re: Re: Re:

          Ask any artist how much they get from their labels, compared to how much the labels get, only do so from a safe distance, as the usual answer is not what you seem to think it is.

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            Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 12:03pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            We're not on a label. We've made 5 albums and iTunes has been an excellent source of income in addition to the albums we sell on Bandcamp and at shows.

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              Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 12:13pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              I think it's totally awesome that album/track sales are a good source of revenue for your group.

              If you don't mind me asking, is it possible to summarize what you do to persuade your listeners to hit up iTunes?

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                Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 12:22pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                All promo, FB, tweets, articles have a link to the albums on itunes.

                I'd link to it now, but that's shilling, and this a rough crowd here anyway.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 12:47pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                  That's cool, and I think it's enough for me to get the main points.

                  - Your group is independent, so it sounds like the money doesn't have to shared with middle men/intermediaries?

                  - There's online media presence in multiple areas, where I'm guessing some samples/sharing of the music is involved (IIRC that's one of the strengths of Bandcamp?). In either case along with real world promoting, It sounds like the band isn't afraid to hustle.

                  So while I don't disagree that the Techdirt crowd often has a "drunk crowd on open-mike night" vibe to it, one thing seems clear to me:

                  By being willing to promote the group directly with your fans, your group has found a way to convince them that buying the music is worthwhile. Combine that with independence, it sounds like a living, even if it's a tough one.

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                    Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 5:53pm

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                    I really don't understand why the "artists" who post on Techdirt to rant simultaneously treat the readerbase as filthy, insignificant pirates who can't do anything to change the status quo...

                    Yet when citations are requested, such as the names of the bands they're actually in, they'll hem and haw and outright refuse, claiming that we'll make a huge monetary dent in their earnings despite the insignificance they allege.

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                  techflaws (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 10:59pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                  I'd link to it now, but that's shilling, and this a rough crowd here anyway.

                  Riightt, we just take your word for it.

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          JMT (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 6:53pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          "You people like to ignore the BILLIONS of dollars Apple grosses from downloads on their iTunes store."

          I don't think anyone's ignoring that, and I'm not sure what your point is. Do you actually know how many billions, or are you speaking hyperbolically?

          "You like to pretend that recorded music isn't a very desired commodity."

          That's a complete fabrication on your part. Nobody here has ever denied music's desirability, so again, what's your point?

          "That musicians don't make money from it."

          Another fabrication. Nearly all musicians on record labels make nothing from royalties; this is not a disputable point. But there are other ways to make money from music, and they've been discussed here many times.

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    Jeremy, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:34am

    Taylor Swift is right. Plain and simple

    Anyone complaining about Taylor Swift and her take on streaming seem to forget one important thing:

    Taylor Swift is The Best Selling Artist of recent years.

    This means she could have similar deal U2 made with Apple at the drop of a hat.

    And in that case she wouldn't have to worry about record sales at all, she'd get paid nicely at one go, no matter what her record sales or streaming amounts were.

    Now, That my friends would be true pure greed and yes, she could do it anytime, And, she would be earning more money doing so than she is now through her record sales.

    How much did U2 get for the Apple iPhone "free album" release? 90 million? 100 million dollars?

    Taylor Swift could have a similar deal anytime, in other words she could say "screw you guys, I don't care" and sit in her mansion with a big smile on her face.

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    Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:52am

    >> This is about the new artist or band that has just released their first single and will not be paid for its success.

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    John85851 (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 11:58am

    Yet again, I wish the media would calm down

    Is Taylor Swift the most powerful woman in the tech industry? No, especially when there's always a reason why a company like Apple decides to negotiate. But it's a good story and most media outlets are falling over each other for the best click-baity headline.

    No, the real problem is that the media is playing up how this is a "win" for artists.
    One local news station said this problem is best exemplified by how Spotify played Pharrell's "Happy" around 43 million times in one month, yet his royalty payment was only $2,700.
    Um, isn't there a HUGE step missing? Like, how much did Spotify pay his label and why the label only sent him $2,700?

    Nope, it's an easier story to tell when it's a female, teenybopper singer versus a multi-billion, multi-national corporation.

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    jilocasin (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 12:12pm

    Taylor Swift, nice but inconsiquential argument

    It nice to see someone attempt a nuanced argument these days.

    There's just so much wrong, or more importantly inconsequential about the whole Apple/Swift thing that I to was amazed [silly me] at how big a deal was made out of it.

    As previously mentioned, terrestrial radio doesn't pay performers anything. In my opinion, that's how it should be. Streaming sites shouldn't have to either. Radio (terrestrial, satellite, or internet) is advertising for artists. Just because some entities want control and to squeeze out a few more pennies from a slightly more modern application doesn't make it right.

    Many artists create/perform, few have ever managed to make a living from only their art. If anything, more artists can make a living through their art than could before. Even if fewer are able to win the musical lottery and live like royalty.

    That's not to say there aren't ways for an artist to make money. Live performing, merchandising, speaking engagements, patronage, etc. are all ways that artists can monetized their art. It's been a bit of a fluke that selling copies of performances have been at all lucrative. If we want to be honest about things, even then it was mainly the labels and a very, very, very select few that benefited in any major way. The fact that selling copies of performances is disappearing as a revenue stream isn't the end of art (music/books/movies) as we know it. It's just a return to the way things always were.

    Having said that, there are a few particulars that make Ms Taylor's efforts even less consequential.

    Apple was negotiating with the labels, not artists (as usual). Apparently the labels agreed to accept a _larger_ percentage over the life of a stream in exchange for no payments for the first three months. The labels were looking toward the long tail. If you're a one hit wonder, sure your maximum play might be during the first three months of someone's subscription. As an artist you may loose out. As a label with a large catalog, you would most likely earn more accepting that higher rate. Assuming of course that Apple doesn't pull the plug in a year or so. That's the rub. If Apple kills the service in a relatively short time, the labels loose. If it says up for years, the labels are better off. All Apple's apparently agreed to do if go back to the _lower_ percentage from day one. Not only isn't that much of a sacrifice to Apple, it garnered them invaluable marketing and good will. Apple couldn't have paid for that kind of publicity.

    On the matter of Taylor Swift's albums, those in the audience paying attention would have noticed that she was only threatening to keep her latest album "1989" off of Apple's service. That's because the labels have control of her previous work. It's only her latest (and I would assume any future works) that she has that level of control over.

    In the end we are left with the situation of an immensely popular artist threatening to keep only her latest work off a streaming service in response for not receiving what in the vast majority of cases would be a pittance for three months and being paid slightly more per stream for as long as Apple's service exists. The same artist who's willing to foreclose an opportunity for up and coming artists to get the exposure they desperately need to succeed by fighting to remove free tiers from any streaming service. The 21 century equivalent of radio airplay, over what amounts to pennies of income.

    In the end she isn't doing the next generation of artists, or anyone not as successful as herself, any favors.


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    {Here is an example of the kind of difference that we're talking about;

    Imagine that every time someone took your book out of the library you got a check for one penny ($0.01). Apple wants to start a new library. At the Apple library Apple's proposed to give you no money at all for the first three months ($0.00). In exchange they are willing to give you two pennies every time take out your book forever after. Which is a better deal?

    [these are e-books, so an unlimited number of people can check out your book at the same time.]

    Year 1: 10,000 people check out your book.

    A) one hit wonder = 9,000 people during the first three months, 1,000 people over the next 9 months.

    B) established or up and coming artist = 3,000 first three months, 7,000 for the rest of the first year.

    Years 2+: 3,000 people check out your book per year there after.

    How much money would _someone_ make?

    Year 1:

    Apple's original offer:
    A) $20 for the first year.
    B) $140 for the first year.

    Typical (Taylor Swift) model:
    A) $100 for the first year.
    B) $100 for the first year.

    Years 2+:

    Apple's original offer:
    $60 per year thereafter

    Typical (Taylor Swift) model:
    $30 per year thereafter

    Short lived 'books' do worse under Apple's plan. Everyone else is better off with Apple's proposal. In any event, it's not a large sum by any stretch. }

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      Mason Wheeler (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 12:54pm

      Re: Taylor Swift, nice but inconsiquential argument

      There's just so much wrong, or more importantly inconsequential about the whole Apple/Swift thing

      The programmer in me is highly amused by this for reasons that most music fans are probably not aware of. :P

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    SirThoreth (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 12:43pm

    Taylor Swift may not be the savior that artists need, but she is the savior that artists deserve.

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    Gary Pageau, 23 Jun 2015 @ 12:57pm

    You missed a big point

    In your attempt to be "nuanced," you made a rather large error: "her career was built on terrestrial radio play -- which is a free service (the kind that Swift has attacked Spotify over) and which doesn't pay the performers anything at all in the US." This is patently untrue. Have you not heard of ASCAP and BMI? Terrestrial radio stations have to pay these licensing organizations for the use of music, which then pass them on record companies, songwriters and artists in the form of royalty checks.

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      Leigh Beadon (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 1:06pm

      Re: You missed a big point

      Those are public performance royalties for composers and publishers. That's not the same thing as royalties that go to the performers of the recordings. Recording artists don't get any money for terrestrial radio plays (unless they are also the owners of the composition).

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        JMT (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 6:57pm

        Re: Re: You missed a big point

        "Have you not heard of ASCAP and BMI?"

        You must be very new around here...

        "Terrestrial radio stations have to pay these licensing organizations for the use of music, which then pass them on record companies, songwriters and artists in the form of royalty checks."

        You were doing well until you got to the bit about artists getting royalty checks, at which point you made a left turn into Wishful Thinking Land'.

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      greg.fenton (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 5:15pm

      Re: You missed a big point

      I'm pretty sure that Techdirt has heard of ASCAP and BMI...

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    Jeffry Houser, 23 Jun 2015 @ 1:04pm

    Terri


    Terrestrial radio play -- which is a free service (the kind that Swift has attacked Spotify over) and which doesn't pay the performers anything at all in the US.


    I've been out of the music game for a while, however a decade or so ago; the radio stations paid money to performing rights organizations such as BMI and ASCAP. In theory that money goes to the musicians who played on the record and the songwriters.

    Do radio stations no longer have to pay for the rights to use these songs?

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      Leigh Beadon (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 1:07pm

      Re: Terri

      In theory that money goes to the musicians who played on the record and the songwriters.

      Only the first part of that is true. The royalties collected by ASCAP and BMI have nothing to do with the recordings and everything to do with the compositions.

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      jilocasin (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 1:19pm

      Still only to the 'top' though [Re: Terri]

      Just to add insult to injury, BMI, ASCAP, etc. don't actually pay every artist their due.

      They lump all of the money together, take out their cut (of course) and then distribute the rest to the top x percent of the acts. What that percentage is, and how it's determined is left to the individual rights organizations discretion (any your imagination).

      So, even if you are a composer or music writer, unless you are already a mega star you still won't get _anything_ from terrestrial radio.

      Excepting exposure of course.

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        Richard (profile), 24 Jun 2015 @ 2:51am

        Re: Still only to the 'top' though [Re: Terri]

        They lump all of the money together, take out their cut (of course) and then distribute the rest to the top x

        To be fair - this is true in the US - but in other parts of the world (eg UK) the money is distributed to everyone. This does create something of a bureaucratic nightmare, however, and most still get only very small sums.

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    Getting PAID is no nuance, 23 Jun 2015 @ 1:06pm

    Taylor Swift says it's not for her but those starting; Masnick nuances that away claiming 3-months not paid doesn't matter.

    Masnick is sheerly asserting that those 3 months don't matter. He has no idea what it's like to live on narrow margin. ANY income can be a HUGE morale-booster to get out there and promote MORE. A few bucks and some cheering can make ALL the difference to people who live on hope.

    But Masnick just waves his chubby lily-white 1-percenter Ivy League hand in airy dismissal: "You don't need a cent. Be GRATEFUL, peasants, that mega-corporation Apple even acknowledges your existence. If you prove to be a draw by making tons of money for we billionaires, then we'll pay you a pittance."

    2nd, what about one-hit wonders like Psy? Musicians DO pop to the top and disappear within 3 months. Apple would be out nothing for those yet get millions!

    3rd, why should Apple get income if not risking capital? That's the whole moral basis of "capitalism": risking money deserves profit, IF it comes. Without paying in those 3 months, Apple is out nothing but streaming costs -- which are near zero according to Masnick. This is the music phase of predatory capitalism in which the poor do all the investing of time and if become popular, then Apple makes out even more than the musicians! It's not fair.

    4th, the current music industry is justified in precisely that risky investing, usually fronts a deal of money and advice, has experts to promote and so on. It's unfair, sure, but does have actual money losses, a practical reality which of course Masnick never mentions.

    Don't let Masnick's phony nuances convince you that he's concerned about fairness or musicians. He argues that Apple shouldn't have to pay during those crucial first 3 months. Last week he might have been credible, but he risked nothing THEN.

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      Gwiz (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 1:23pm

      Re: Taylor Swift says it's not for her but those starting; Masnick nuances that away claiming 3-months not paid doesn't matter.

      He argues that Apple shouldn't have to pay during those crucial first 3 months.


      No he didn't, moron. As a matter fact, Mike states the complete opposite in the article:
      Let me start out this post by noting a key thing: from the beginning, it was stupid that Apple had negotiated a deal with record labels in which copyright holders would not be compensated with royalties for the three-month "trial period" of Apple's new streaming music program. It clearly should have agreed to pay the royalties, and it was a really short-sighted move to push for a deal without royalties.

      Stating that those three months don't actually amount to much in reality is completely different than saying Apple shouldn't have to pay the royalties.

      Nuances, they're not for everybody.

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 1:31pm

      Re: Taylor Swift says it's not for her but those starting; Masnick nuances that away claiming 3-months not paid doesn't matter.

      1. Doesn't every label or artist negotiate their own contract? If those 3 months for new subscribers mean less to me than a long haul contract with a larger percentage shouldn't I be able to make that choice?

      2. Bad example, as Psy is rather popular in S. Korea but only a one hit wonder in the global scene, but it still goes back to point 1. If the artist signed a bad deal with their record label, that has nothing to do with Apple/Label, but rather Label/Artist.

      3. If an artists refuses to release on Apple, I'm sure that Apple won't complain. There are several examples of writers that refused to publish on the iBook app, what's the difference? Don't like the deal, negotiate or go another route.

      4. I'm sure that all major labels invest in promotional material, advertizing, et al for their clients. The problem is what clients receive the red carpet, and which are still left to their beat up van to travel around from Gig to gig and get next to nothing from any sales like Apple music. Remember the whole Sony contract with Spotify was published on the Verge. link Who's screwing who?

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      jilocasin (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 1:38pm

      Re: Taylor Swift says it's not for her but those starting; Masnick nuances that away claiming 3-months not paid doesn't matter.

      [Speaking as someone without a chubby, lily-white, 1-percenter, Ivy League hand to wave in any direction]

      First lets get this out of the way;

      For one hit wonders it does suck.

      Having said that, it was never about the artists. [I hope I didn't burst any bubbles.] It was an economically reasonable deal between the labels and Apple.

      Why do I say it's reasonable?

      Apple is risking capital to create the streaming service. Creating a streaming service isn't cheap and it certainly isn't free. Apple proposed having the labels share some of that risk initially and was willing to compensate them for that risk.

      If the labels are willing to risk Apple's service going under in a short period of time by not getting paid for the first three months, then they will be rewarded with a higher percentage after that time.

      Simple;
      Get paid a small standard amount, from day one.
      OR
      Take a chance and get no payment for three months, but a higher payment if Apple's service survives longer. The longer it lasts, the larger the reward.

      Simple economics.

      As a side benefit, if someone (like say Talyor Swift) makes too much of a ruckus, cave into their demands and get more publicity and goodwill while still not being any worse off than you would have been without the deal.

      For Apple, it's a win-win, for the labels, it's a win-status quo, for the artists.....
      well no one was thinking of them anyway.

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      Derek Kerton (profile), 24 Jun 2015 @ 12:40pm

      Re: Taylor Swift says it's not for her but those starting; Masnick nuances that away claiming 3-months not paid doesn't matter.

      Funny how big "BEWARE: NUANCE AHEAD" signs can't stop the morons from driving off the cliff.

      And massive stakes in the ground like "Apple was stupid not to pay" serve more as punji sticks for idiots than clarifiers.

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    Gwiz (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 1:31pm

    Stock Tip?

    Anybody know of good agricultural stock to invest in?

    With all of the strawman arguments Blue has been putting forth these days, it seems like a wise investment.

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    Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 1:42pm

    1989

    I'm surprised so few people are upset that she opened her statement with something clearly false. She said she was withholding 1989 because of Apple's actions. 1989 is withheld from every streaming service, everywhere. It has nothing to do with anything being free or anything to do with Apple, whatsoever. Rather the idea that she can make more money from download sales by withholding from streaming. Her label which she has considerable stake in outright says this repeatedly. And they also said they are not ready to release 1989 to streaming services.

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    Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2015 @ 2:10pm

    That's Entertainment

    Swift vs. Apple seems to offer the sort of entertainment I like, e.g., Disemboweler IV ( https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/Disembowler_IV ), "the game where condemned criminals dig at each other with rusty hooks." No matter who wins, we all get a laugh.

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    jameshogg (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 2:44pm

    What's more valuable? Zimbabwean dollars or Zimbabwean dollars with copyright protection extending to their JPEG format on the internet?

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    Andrew D. Todd, 23 Jun 2015 @ 2:57pm

    Taylor Swift and the Big Companies.

    Look at a table of paper magazine circulations.

    http://www.psaresearch.com/images/TOPMAGAZINES.pdf

    It's a fairly good index of how many people are willing to pay, say, $20-50 per year. Note that the three top-listed magazines are "affiliate" magazines, not really bought per se, but distributed as an incident of a discount card. Exclude the Womens Magazines, eg. Good Housekeeping. Everyone must eat, and the practical advantages of being able to cook are so great that is is really another kind of "affiliate" magazine. Cooking is not just an ordinary hobby. There are fairly modest numbers of people willing to subscribe to any kind of "fan" magazine, say, 5-10 million at most. Movie/Music fan magazines are much further down, in the 1-2 million range. Bear in mind that the United States has a population of three hundred million, and about a hundred million households.

    I don't know about Game Informer. It seems to be published by GameStop. The circulation seems suspiciously high. Is it tied to some kind of comp card?

    The conclusion I draw from the above facts is that the market for an internet-based music streaming service is extremely limited unless the service is free. What it works out to is that people buy their computer, and they buy their internet access, and they expect the rest to be free. People historically listened to stuff on the radio, and you can buy a small clock-radio, with digital tuning, for less than ten dollars.

    Independent streaming music services have historically foundered on the disconnect between what people are actually willing to pay and the expectations of the artists and the labels. The artists and labels get upset because their are too many free tiers, or too many free samples. What is now happening is that big companies with other sources of income are getting into music streaming. Specifically Apple, Amazon, Facebook, and Google. The latter two are basically advertising agencies, Apple sells hardware, and, indirectly, cellphone service. Amazon is a general merchandiser which competes primarily with Wal-Mart and Target. The big companies are basically willing to buy off Taylor Swift, and run their music services at a dead loss, giving away music for free, while paying artist royalties.

    Speaking of Amazon, at least, Amazon would be well-advised to spend less time worrying about media and the internet, and more time worrying about their general-merchandise business. When I came to do my taxes, and figured my state sales/use tax, I found that I had spent about $1500 at Amazon in 2014, about three or four times as much as their average customer. Essentially none of this was for media or "luxury" goods, just large numbers of useful articles. That does give me a certain authority to speak about Amazon. Amazon has persistent quality control problems of one kind or another, which do not manifest in electronics or media, but which do tend to manifest in non-electronic goods. I had a very bad experience when I bought two swivel chairs from them, and the next time I need swivel chairs, I will go to the local junk store, where I should have gone in the first place. There is nothing that Taylor Swift can say to change my mind on that subject.

    As far as advertising goes, from the standpoint of a businessman buying advertising, Google or Facebook advertising is a clumsy and unimaginative solution, just the way television adverting is a clumsy and unimaginative solution. anything involving Taylor Swift is likely to be a clumsy and unimaginative solution.

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      nasch (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 3:03pm

      Re: Taylor Swift and the Big Companies.

      The conclusion I draw from the above facts is that the market for an internet-based music streaming service is extremely limited unless the service is free.

      How do you get that from magazine subscriptions?

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      That One Guy (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 4:02pm

      Re: Taylor Swift and the Big Companies.

      I don't know about Game Informer. It seems to be published by GameStop. The circulation seems suspiciously high. Is it tied to some kind of comp card?

      It is, yes. Anyone who has a 'Power-up Rewards' membership at the store gets the magazine along with a card that gives discounts on used games, hence the high circulation for the magazine.

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    tracyanne (profile), 23 Jun 2015 @ 3:34pm

    Taylor Swift who?

    I was about to ask that, I keep reading about her on here so much, so this time I went to YouTube and played some of her videos.

    I don't think the world would stop turning if she quit the music industry.

    Regarding the article, I read some stuff on other sites, such as the register, and it seemed wrong to me. It's good to read something that puts context on the whole thing.

    An interesting suggestion put forward by someone on The Register is that Maybe the whole thing was a PR stunt to get free advertising for Apple's service.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Jun 2015 @ 12:26am

    So, lots of free publicity for Swiftie and by the time people realize how useless things are they have long forgot what she said.
    She would be a great politician.

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    Richard (profile), 24 Jun 2015 @ 2:46am

    Most musicians don't make a living

    Most musicians don't make a living, period. That has always been the case.

    And always will be the case under any conceivable regime.

    The reason is simple - any change to the financial arrangements for musicians that makes making a living easier will simply suck more people in to try to make a living until the former state (in which most musicians can't earn enough) is restored.
    There is an inexhaustible supply of competent amateur musicians just waiting for the opportunity.

    It is a simple fact of economics - any activity which many people enjoy doing for free will always have a large group who are able to make some money from doing it - but not enough to live on.

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      Leigh Beadon (profile), 24 Jun 2015 @ 7:08am

      Re: Most musicians don't make a living

      This is a comment I read somewhere else, on another blog, on a related topic, quite some time ago... I forget where, to be honest. But it's an excellent extension of the point you make here:

      "All the rhetoric about this subject continue to miss a key objective reality: that there are two separate supply/demand interactions at work here not one. It also misunderstands the real-world facts of one of those supply/demand interactions.

      One of them is the supply of artistic performance compared to the demand for it. Observing that the great majority of professional-caliber artists are paid very poorly we assume that this means that the demand curve (how much people will pay, or "how much our soecity values the arts") has been dropping. But this is factually incorrect. Both the Broadway and non-profit theater sectors nationally are vastly larger today in revenues than a generation or two ago; there are now nearly 200 salary-paying professional symphonies compared to fewer than 10 fifty years ago; annual tax-deductible contributions to arts organizations is today several times (after inflation) what it was in the 1970s; etc. Some perusal of American for the Arts annual statistical survey with an eye towards this particular question is eye-opening; the entire annual NEA budget isn't even a fraction of one percent of the nation's arts economy anymore. And that's without even considering the long-term boom of the broader "creative sector" such as the film and TV worlds.

      But wait: if the total amount of money in the arts sector (that demand curve) has been rising then why do so few artists earn a living wage? Because the supply curve (of artists) has been rising even faster. Check out the stats on annual graduations from music, theater and dance conservatories. The number of arts organizations keeps rising which means that the growing contributed-support pot gets divvied up more. The number of Americans reporting on their tax returns cash income as artists double in a single generation (1970 to 1990). As a society we finished eliminating social stigmas on the pursuit of a life as an artist -- there are Evangelical musical-theater camps now! -- and, it turns out, liberated perhaps more than anticipated.

      Also technology keeps tearing down barriers to entry, e.g. I just recorded, in a studio, an album with my band for a total cost that in real dollars wouldn't even have bought the snacks for a proper recording session in 1980 or 1960. Make something cheaper and cheaper to attempt and, it turns out, more and more people will put in the time and effort to attempt it. And some fraction of them will turn out to be genuinely good enough to pull it off.

      Basically no matter how fast the demand for artistic performance has grown and is growing, the supply of artists has grown more. And what is supply from this angle is demand from another: the demand for a life as an artist. We have fully liberated that demand: now, for the first time in the history of Western civilization, essentially every person who possesses the raw talent to potentially become a professional-caliber performing artists attempts to do so. That's a genie which won't go back into the bottle willingly: are you willing to subtract yourself from that pool? I'm sure not.

      Unless we're willing to put back up some of the barriers which had always artificially reduced the supply of professional-caliber artists [go back to viewing actresses and actors as just one step above prostitutes and pimps, get the aspiration to sing or dance for fame and fortune back off of our public airwaves, cut the number of conservatories back to 1950s levels, institute genuine hard artist guilds, etc], then this is the reality going forward. We're not as a society going to do any of those things, so the demand for life as an artist will keep rising faster than the demand for art. Or, put the other way, the supply of terrific and/or amazing artists will keep rising faster than the supply of the society's interest in them. Neither is actually falling or likely to anytime soon, but one is rising faster. That's a broad reality which all the well-meaning policy rhetoric in the world can't overcome."

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    John Fenderson (profile), 24 Jun 2015 @ 6:29am

    I just realized

    I just realized that I'm pretty sure I've never heard a Taylor Swift song (at least not knowingly). My refusal to listen to RIAA music is paying off!

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    AverageBob (profile), 24 Jun 2015 @ 9:31am

    Wow you completely missed the point

    At first I didn't want to respond to your article but I would really think about what you write before you post it. You completely missed the point, so let me discuss the nuances to your nuances.

    "But here's the problem with all of this: it's hogwash, meaningless blather that doesn't change a thing and will have no lasting impact."

    So you are saying that anyone who attempts to address a problem to a little degree shouldn't bother because it doesn't solve a larger problem.

    "First, if your album is a success, there are all sorts of ways to make money beyond the royalties from Apple Music's streaming service."

    You missed her point completely. She can support herself at this point in her career on her shows alone; most artists cannot. They need all the sources of revenue they can get. This includes any small royalties they get from streaming.


    "And why does she make that much money live? Well, as Tom Conrad rightly points out, her career was built on terrestrial radio play -- which is a free service (the kind that Swift has attacked Spotify over) and which doesn't pay the performers anything at all in the US."

    First of all, you missed the fact that radio royalties are paid to the songwriter and not the performer. So in Swift's case she was paid for radio as she writes most of her songs. Most independent artists are also songwriters. Second, you minimize the fact that Swift like many artists built their careers on radio play AND shows.

    "That's because the industry's biggest secret, which it always tries to hide from these debates, is that the vast majority of musicians basically make absolutely nothing in royalties. This is due to a combination of factors, starting with the fact that if you're signed to a label, the label is likely keeping nearly everything you get from streaming."

    For many artists that sign to a big label, they often sign away the copyrights. However for independent artists on independent labels (the exact kind Swift is championing and Swift herself), they still hold their own copyrights. Your point is misleading at best.

    "Three months is a long time to go unpaid. But not getting paid by Apple Music does not mean "going unpaid." It just means one small revenue stream is limited while it aims to get up to speed"

    What kind of word twisting is this? If you don't pay one of your bills for 3 months no matter how small it may be, the company involved will mark them "unpaid" and might send you to collections. Just because the revenue might be small for the average artist does not mean that they do not deserve to paid nothing and that they shouldn't be allowed to complain about it.

    "As already discussed in point one, for most musicians, this isn't going to move the needle one way or the other."

    So the chance that streaming will not make an artist a millionaire means you can minimize their revenue streams even further? It might be $20 a month, but that's a good meal for a "starving artist."

    "Any musician out there relying on the royalties from Apple Music to make or break their musical career has no musical career."

    No one but you is arguing this point. What Swift is arguing is that most artists need all the revenue streams they can get. Period.

    "And, of course, for label-affiliated artists, much of it will go to the label anyway, and the artist won't see any of it. "

    Again, the term "independent artist" seems to eluded your understanding. Like Swift herself, some artists still have control of their copyrights.

    "And that's really unfortunate, because here's another chance to do things right by focusing on business models that let them connect directly to fans and give them a reason to buy something. Demanding others pay you money is no substitute for convincing others to willingly pay. One is sustainable, one is not. "

    Er, what? Copyright Law specifically has set up the system where payment is required for songs. It's not "demanding" of artists that the law be followed. The only business model that is in jeopardy with streaming is the big label system. With streaming, artists could bypass them altogether and have a decent if not stellar career with the help of streaming.

    "But because of this "success," people will still cling to the false notion that the "solution" to content creators' failure to build their own successful business model is to demand that other successful companies give them money."

    What kind of world do you live in where you think that if you play someone's song, it's "giving" them money. No, in this world, you have to pay them for their song. That's how copyrights work. So when you go to the movies, is there a "donation" box in the front of the theater? No that's a ticket box. You are required to pay to see the movie. It's not a gift.

    "This is wrong on so many levels, but that's another post for another day. But this notion of "a savior" magically swooping."

    Oh, now I see the problem. Someone complimented Swift on her "journalism" and you immediately got hurt because it devalues your job as a journalist. So you had to attack her for it. Get over yourself.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Jun 2015 @ 10:28am

    Swift is just another whore of music industry.

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    Jaymoon, 24 Jun 2015 @ 11:16am

    Whoa Whoa Whoa

    ...her career was built on terrestrial radio play -- which is a free service...and which doesn't pay the performers anything at all in the US...


    Oh? Tell that to BMI, ASCAP, and SEASAC when they come knocking to every single radio station in the country!

    Performers, maybe not so directly... But there is payout happening. That's what the artists agree to when they sign the label deal.

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      Leigh Beadon (profile), 24 Jun 2015 @ 11:27am

      Re: Whoa Whoa Whoa

      But there is payout happening.

      For radio play? I'd love to see some evidence of that... I've seen quite a lot of royalty statements from record labels, and none mention radio plays.

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    Richard Stallman, 25 Jun 2015 @ 10:30pm

    Applie & the public

    This article focuses on how Apple treats musicians, and ignores how Apple treats the public.

    Knowing Apple, I'm sure Apple Music imposes DRM and EULAs on music recordings, and that it tracks what users listen to. Even one of these nasty practices is doing people wrong. Let's refuse to be treated this way. We can reclaim our rights, if we are not lazy.

    Meanwhile, we can support musicians and authors in other ways that are compatible with the right to share. See http://gnu.org/philosophy/copyright-vs-community.html for two
    proposals.

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