How Dianne Feinstein Misled Congress About How 'Useful' NSA Spying Authorities Were In Stopping Plots

from the say-what-now? dept

We've been following the case of Adel Daoud for a little while now. He's one of the many people arrested for "terrorism" in one of the FBI's dozens of "home grown plots" in which they create their very own terrorist plot, dupe someone into "joining" and then arrest (and then relish in the headlines about stopping a terrorist "plot" that was never a real plot in the first place). In Daoud's case, the made up "plot" involved blowing up a Chicago bar. But the Daoud case got a lot more attention, because in the big "debate" over the renewal of the FISA Amendments Act (FAA) in late 2012, Senator Dianne Feinstein directly described the Daoud "plot" as an example of why the FAA and Section 702 were necessary. Here's what she said:
There is a view by some that this country no longer needs to fear attack. I don't share that view, and I have asked the intelligence committee staff to compile arrests that have been made in the last 4 years in America on terrorist plots that have been stopped. There are 100 arrests that have been made between 2009 and 2012. There have been 16 individuals arrested just this year alone. Let me quickly review some of these plots. Some of these may arrests come about as a result of this program. Again, if Members want to see the specific cases where FISA Amendments Act authorities were used, they can go and look at the classified background of these cases.

First, in November, 1 month ago, two arrests for conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists and use a weapon of mass destruction. That was Raees Alam Qazi and Sheheryar Alam Qazi. They were arrested by the FBI in Fort Lauderdale, FL. The next case is another conspiracy to provide material support. Arrested were Ralph Deleon, Miguel Alejandro Santana Vidriales and Arifeen David Gojali. These three men were planning to travel to Afghanistan to attend terrorist training and commit violent jihad; third, was a plot to bomb the New York Federal Reserve Bank; fourth, a plot to bomb a downtown Chicago bar; fifth, a conspiracy to provide material support to the Islamic Jihad Union; sixth, a plot to carry out a suicide bomb attack against the U.S. Capitol in February of 2012; seventh, a plot to bomb locations in Tampa, FL; eighth, a plot to bomb New York City targets and troops returning from combat overseas; ninth, a plot to assassinate the Saudi Ambassador to the United States; and it goes on and on and on.

So I believe the FISA Amendments Act is important and these cases show the program has worked
That caught the attention of a bunch of folks, because nowhere in Daoud's case had the government suggested it had obtained or used evidence via the FAA -- leading to serious questions about whether the government had been withholding evidence or if that evidence had been unconstitutionally obtained. Unfortunately, Daoud's attempt to get access to whatever evidence has been collected on him has been shut down by the courts. Judge Richard Posner issued a "supplemental classified opinion" to go with the original opinion we wrote about, but parts of that opinion have been released as well. Very large portions of it, however, remain totally redacted. What remains more or less says that the government did everything in a proper way and there were no constitutional problems. It also implies there was a ton of evidence pointing to Daoud's activities.

However, what caught my attention in the unredacted snippets of the ruling is Judge Posner basically claiming that Feinstein's claims about Daoud's case involving the FAA didn't actually mean the FAA was used:
The defendant's challenge relies primarily on a December 27, 2012 Senate floor speech by Senator Feinstein, who said: "There have been 16 individuals arrest[ed] just this year alone. Let me quickly just review what these plots were. And some of them come right from this program [meaning the FAA]. The counter-terrorism come[s] -- and the information came right from this program. And again, if members want to see that, they can go and look in a classified manner.... Fourth, a plot to bomb a downtown Chicago bar...." (emphasis added) (visited July 11, 2014).

The referenced "plot" is obviously the defendant's, and because the Senator used the examples to support the reauthorization of the FAA, the defendant not unreasonably interpreted her remarks to mean that the FAA had been used in his case. But an equally reasonable interpretation of the Senator's remarks is that she was merely saying that the defendant was one of the 16 individuals who had been arrested in 2012, same of whom had been arrested on the basis of such information. The Senate's Legal Counsel confirmed in a letter to defense counsel that "Senator Feinstein did not state, and did not mean to state, that FAA surveillance was used in any or all of the nine cases she enumerated, including [the defendant's] case, in which terrorist plots had been stopped.... Rather, her purpose in reviewing several recent terrorism arrests was to refute the "view by some that this country no longer needs to fear attack.'"
Reading the original quote, Posner is correct that before Feinstein lists the examples, she adds the caveat that "some" of them "may" have used the FAA. But she also concludes it by insisting that these prove that the FAA worked. If anything, this ruling highlights just what a disingenuous and deceiving speech Feinstein gave during the debate over the FAA. Any reasonable person listening to that speech would hear that and believe that this program (the FAA and its 702 surveillance program) was the key to breaking up all of those "plots." After all, the entire debate was about renewing the FAA.

And yet, now it's quite clear that Feinstein was just listing out any and all "plots" (and even that is not really accurate since so many, including Daoud, were plots created by the FBI itself, meaning they never needed the FAA anyway), and falsely implying the FAA was necessary to break them up. Feinstein's scare-mongering over what would happen without a renewal of the FAA was a big part of why it passed, and as this ruling more or less confirms, she completely mislead others in Congress and the American public about it.

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 12:27pm

    If you aren't deceiving you aren't trying

    Oh how we deceive....

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 12:38pm

    Well it comes down to one question really.
    Were you lying then or are you lying now?

     

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    SolkeshNaranek (profile), Aug 1st, 2014 @ 12:38pm

    Senator FrakenFeinstein

    After lying to the public, her fellow politicians, newspaper reporters, television reporters, and pretty much anyone that will listen to her, how can she look at herself in the mirror.

    Then again, she is a politician.

     

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    justok (profile), Aug 1st, 2014 @ 12:46pm

    Re:

    Probably both.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 12:48pm

    Two types of people in Washington

    I heard an interview a while back from someone who had clearance and was regularly briefed by our intelligence agencies. And basically he said that there are two types of people in Washington. Those that know what the terrorists are up to based on what our intelligence agencies know and those that don't. And he inferred that there are a lot of people plotting against us and that people who don't get these briefings just don't understand the reality of the situation.

    The problem is that it's the intelligence agencies providing that information and the quality of it is always going to be suspect. But I think it scares members of congress into believing that we need to spy on pretty much everyone because of what the intelligence agencies tell them.

     

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    Edward Teach, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 12:52pm

    So, why do Congress folks support the Intelligence Community?

    Senators in particular, but really, all Representatives and Senators, don't like to be mislead by "bureaucrats". Yet we see DNI Clapper, Keith Alexander, John Brennan, etc demonstrably lying to the Senate at least.

    A few Senators are mildly upset about this, Udall, Wyden and Paul, maybe. The entire House is outraged about (in comparison) mildly misleading testimony from IRS officials.

    So, what's the deal? Is it just that cool having a bunch of compartmented program's info to gawk at? Does the "intelligence community" just "wow" the committee members with insider information? Or is there some kind of Jane Harmon/Alberto Gonzalez/AIPAC deal going on here? Yes, that's a veiled suggestion that the "intelligence community" blackmails elected representatives.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 12:55pm

    There's still something smelly here

    I don't see Posner saying the FAA wasn't used. Just that the defendant's evidence (i.e. Feinstein's words) don't prove that the FAA was used. (I would hope that Posner would be in a position to flat out ask the prosecution if the FAA was used, and would ensure that they revealed that. But I'm not sure). This quote from page 2:

    The FBI's investigation of the defendant was triggered ...[redacted]...

    makes me think that something is still not right with the disclosures. I would think that the rest of that sentence would be very important to the defense of the case.

     

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    DogBreath, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 12:58pm

    Par for the course.

    She gave the least untruthful answer.



    As Mark Twain said:

    "Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."

    and

    "Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself."

     

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    TD Reader, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 12:59pm

    Sen Feinstein

    I am from California.
    Are you as proud of your senator as I am of mine?

    /S

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 1:00pm

    Treason.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 1:07pm

    Re: There's still something smelly here

    I read the rest of the document - and Posner points out that he did ask the prosecutors if they used FAA, but what appears to be the answer seems to be redacted.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 1:11pm

    Surveillance of children

    Posner points out an interesting point - FISA has no age restrictions. It's concerning that the government is spying on children - especially in light of the explicit nature of some of the emails & images the government reportedly have access to.

     

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    Trevor, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 1:16pm

    Let's Recap

    Let's Recap:

    1. Snowden releases information suggesting the NSA is spying on everyone.

    2. The extent of the FAA/FISA/etc systems indicate that secret courts have found all of this legal.

    3. EFF/ACLU/Amnesty file suits challenging the constitutionality of such programs, including the violation of the Fourth Amendment.

    4. Amnesty Case makes it to Appellate Court, where Solicitor General says it isn't a violation, and suggests that if evidence obtained via FISA/etc. is used against that defendant, the defendant will have access to it in court. The Supreme Court took this as true and ruled that Amnesty had no standing because it couldn't prove it was spied on.

    5. Feinstein makes that awesome speech, and uses specific examples of how the FISA/etc. evidence helped stop various plots, including the Chicago Bar bombing.

    6. Defendant and his counsel in Chicago Bar Bombing case are interested, because per #4, they were never given any information derived from FISA/FAA, suggesting withheld evidence. Lawsuits are had.

    7. Judge Posner considers the case, and finds everything is hunky dory, and everything was legal, and the Defendant does not get access to the evidence obtained via FISA/FAA.

    Therefore:

    8. Since Defendant cannot see evidence used against him, he does not have standing to challenge the constitutionality of the seizure or search.

    Even though the Solicitor General told the Supreme Court that if FISA/etc. is used to gather evidence in a criminal case, the Defendant and his counsel would have access to it. The judges relied on this in denying standing.

    Circular reasoning is circular. There is no way to break the loop and see what evidence was used against him.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 1:18pm

    Re: Sen Feinstein

    Absolutely, I vote against her every single opportunity!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 1:26pm

    Re: Let's Recap

    I'm not sure if I understand it. But it sure seems apparent from Posner's opinion that FISA was used. The opinion makes it sound like there are extra disclosure requirements required for FAA (but less need for probable cause). But it's not clear if FAA was used. I don't understand the distinction between FISA and FAA. I thought FAA was an ammendment to FISA, so any rules in FAA would apply to FISA going forward. But what do I know.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 1:31pm

    Ok, I'm actually glad she was misleading, because the concept that the government would have to use the NSA's dragnet spy programs to find out information about a plot that was created created by the government in the first place means a whole new level of stupidity would be going on.

     

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    Trevor, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 1:33pm

    Re: Re: Let's Recap

    Maybe I wasn't clear. Here's what I was getting at:

    1. Lawsuit filed challenging the constitutionality of the FISA programs, including FAA/702/etc.

    2. Government tells Supreme Court: They have no standing because they can't prove they were spied on, and if they were spied on, we would reveal that to them in their trial.

    3. Supreme Court buys this, and rules no standing.

    4. Feinstein tells Congress that FISA/FAA/702/etc. was used to stop various plots, including the Chicago Bar bombing.

    5. Chicago Bar Bombing defendant is shocked, because no information of FISA/FAA/702/etc. being used against him was ever disclosed, contrary to what government told Supreme Court in #2 above.

    6. Chicago Bar Bombing Dude sues, challenges constitutionality and seeks the evidence from the court.

    7. Posner denies his request, saying it was all legal and that he is not entitled to view the information obtained from FISA/FAA/702/etc, and cannot prove it was used in his case. Therefore, he has no standing to challenge constitutionality.

    Therefore: To challenge constitutionality, you must have standing. To have standing, you must have evidence that you were spied on. To have evidence you were spied on, you must be shown it by government in your trial. When the government doesn't show it to you at your trial, you cannot prove you were spied on, and thus have no standing to challenge the constitutionality of the search/seizure.

    Endless loop, no way out.

     

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    Anonymous Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 1:41pm

    Re: Let's Recap

    AKA a clusterfuck!

    And in the history of clusterfucks, this may win out as definitive.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 2:29pm

    Re: Senator FrakenFeinstein

    I would be impressed if she still had a reflection.

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Aug 1st, 2014 @ 3:30pm

    Re: Two types of people in Washington

    And you know what, that might have sounded like a reasonable explanation, before those same intelligence agencies got caught in lie, after lie, after lie, defending their actions and precious spying programs.

    If they lie that much on the minor stuff, what makes you think they wouldn't lie about how 'terrorists are around every corner, so you need to give us free reign and lots of money to stop them!' so they can continue to act unchecked and justify their constant demands for more money and power?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2014 @ 6:05pm

    Re:

    Really? That got LOL votes? I never really expected it to get those. I sure hope that was simply because there is no "Sad But True" button.

     

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    peter, Aug 2nd, 2014 @ 2:23am

    Ahem

    "...used in any or all of the nine cases..."

    "Any"...Cough.

     

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    Rekrul, Aug 2nd, 2014 @ 8:30am

    So the point of the article is that a politician lied to get what they wanted?

    In other news, the sky is blue...

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Aug 2nd, 2014 @ 3:03pm

    Re:

    Yes it is SOP for politicians to lie and mislead, but that doesn't mean it should be considered any less serious when they do it, especially when the lie is used to justify and defend a program that otherwise have been killed off.

     

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    TwelveBaud, Aug 4th, 2014 @ 8:11am

    "The FISA applications in this case also revealed [the Constitution of the United States is being used as toilet paper by the applying agencies,] the secrecy of which is unquestionably important to maintain."

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 5th, 2014 @ 2:45pm

    Did they use the FAA to find individuals who might make good targets for their FBI created plots?

     

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