If Comcast CEO Brian Roberts Really Believes Netflix Gets Bandwidth For Free, Will He Pay Netflix's Bandwidth Bill?

from the just-saying... dept

So there was some buzz earlier this week when Comcast CEO Brian Roberts, speaking at the Code Conference, more or less admitted that he was seeking to shake down the entire internet:
In a series of analogies, Roberts likened his company’s role to that of a postmaster, pointing out that Netflix pays hundreds of millions of dollars to mail DVDs to its customers but now expects to be able to deliver the same content over the internet for free.

“They would like it all to be free. I would like to not have to pay for cable boxes,” he said.
Except, of course, Netflix already pays for its bandwidth. And Comcast's customers already pay for their bandwidth. What Roberts really wants to do is to get Netflix to pay a second time for Comcast's customers' bandwidth, even though they're already paying for it.

As for this argument that Netflix is trying to get anything "for free," we went through this ridiculous argument nearly a decade ago, when the lobbyists for the telcos made the same claim (though, at that time it was about Google instead of Netflix). Mike McCurry, working as an AT&T lobbyist at the time, argued that Google "will never have to pay a dime no matter how much bandwidth they use." Basically the same argument that Roberts is making about Netflix wanting "it all to be free."

So as we did with McCurry, we'd like to make a small request of Roberts: if he's so sure that Netflix pays nothing for these things, why not agree to pay Netflix's bandwidth bill? After all, he's arguing that it's free, so he shouldn't have to pay anything. Of course he knows that Netflix pays a ton for bandwidth. And he knows that his customers pay a ton for bandwidth. He's just hoping to get them both to pay more.

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    Ninja (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 9:47am

    That would be very interesting considering the sheer amount of traffic Netflix uses (and would have been interesting years ago with Google as well even though today it would be even funnier to think about it). Netflix should negotiate like this indeed. We pay for the bandwidth we use in your network and you pay the bandwidth your users use outside your network and with fines if the promised speed can't be delivered (for added lulz since Comcast is known for not delivering their services properly). The tune Comcast is singing will change fairly quickly.

     

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    kenichi tanaka (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 10:03am

    Hate to say it but he's right. When you're using a lot of bandwidth on an ISP's service, then you have the responsibility to pay for that traffic.

     

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    Michael, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:06am

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    What bandwidth is not being paid for?

     

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    Chris Brand, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:08am

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    That might be reasonable if Netflix was just pushing video content out to random people over Comcast's network. They don't do that, though. What they do is *respond* to the requests made by Comcast's customers - the ones who paid to use that bandwidth. Just because Netflix is sending the data, doesn't really mean that it's them that's "using a lot of bandwidth". It's all driven by Comcast's customers.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:08am

    Response to: kenichi tanaka on May 30th, 2014 @ 10:03am

    Netflix is already paying for their end of the connection, netflix customers are paying both comcast and netflix.

    Why the fuck should isps get to double and even triple dip?

     

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    Michael, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:09am

    “They would like it all to be free. I would like to not have to pay for cable boxes.”

    First, you don't. Your customers pay for those stupid things.

    Second, I'd like to not have to pay for a Roku, or the "smart" part of my smart TV, or a computer. THAT is the equivalent to the cable box - not the internet connection being used.

    We need smarter people running these companies...

     

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    Michael, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:11am

    Re: Response to: kenichi tanaka on May 30th, 2014 @ 10:03am

    for the children?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:16am

    Comcast wants to have someone pay for their slice of the cake, you to pay for your slice of the cake, and to eat both pieces.

     

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    Baron von Robber, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:17am

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    You keep saying it but you never explain what it is that's not already paid for.

    Netflix pays their ISP.
    Customer of Netflix pays Netflix and their ISP.

    Who's not getting paid?!

     

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    John Fenderson (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 10:17am

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    "When you're using a lot of bandwidth on an ISP's service, then you have the responsibility to pay for that traffic."

    Nobody's saying otherwise. What people are (correctly) saying is that Netflix and the viewers already pay for that bandwidth.

     

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    Baron von Robber, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:19am

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    The very definition of a Robber Baron.

     

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    GLaDOS (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 10:20am

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    The Cake is a Lie

     

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    kP (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 10:21am

    Last I recall, *I* pay my ISP every month to deliver..

    ... whatever I choose to receive, subject to their existing bandwidth speed and volume limits.

    If my ISP has a beef with how much I am pulling, they need to take it up with me.

     

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    RD, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:22am

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    "Hate to say it but he's right. When you're using a lot of bandwidth on an ISP's service, then you have the responsibility to pay for that traffic."

    Reported for sheer STUPIDITY.

    The USER ALREADY PAYS THE ISP FOR THE BANDWIDTH. Get this through your thick, entitled skull.

    I pay $50 a month for a connection to the internet. I get X-bandwidth for that price. *I* am the one "responsible" for using "all that bandwidth" on my ISP's service. Not netflix. Not google. Not Techdirt. Not anyone. ME. And I ALREADY PAY FOR IT.

    Read that paragraph over and over until it sinks into your thick skull.

     

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    Rich Kulawiec, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:22am

    Let's use that analogy

    "In a series of analogies, Roberts likened his company’s role to that of a postmaster, pointing out that Netflix pays hundreds of millions of dollars to mail DVDs to its customers but now expects to be able to deliver the same content over the internet for free."

    And who really pays those hundreds of millions of dollars in postal fees?

    Netflix customers. (Surely Roberts isn't dumb enough to think that Netflix, a for-profit corporation, is simply going to absorb those costs.) Netflix customers pay those fees to the postal service, who is of course then responsible for delivering the goods.

    Just like Comcast customers pay Comcast (1), who is of course then responsible for delivering the goods.

    (1) FAR too much, by the way, given Comcast's insanely high prices, ridiculously low bandwidth, worst-available customer service, surly technicians, lying lobbyists, invasive practices (like forging DNS responses) and incompetent network staff ("we're taking the spam problem seriously" -- Comcast, 2004. Yeah. Right. Sure you are. That's why it's still a problem a decade later).

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:22am

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    Netflix doesn't use that bandwidth, Comcast's customers (who also happen to be netflix customers) are using that bandwidth.

    If Comcast dislikes how their customers use their bandwidth, maybe they need need to change their pricing accordingly (which they won't, because then nobody would pay for it).

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:22am

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    Cake or death?

     

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    kP (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 10:23am

    Consistent with the cable industry charging...

    ... for channels you don't want nor watch, all the while interrupting the content you do pay for with ads. They are used to having it both ways and this is just one more example.

     

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    Michael, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:24am

    In a series of analogies, Roberts likened his company’s role to that of a postmaster, pointing out that Netflix pays hundreds of millions of dollars to mail DVDs to its customers

    So what he is really saying is that Comcast is totally screwing their customers. Netflix sends DVD's in the mail using pre-paid postage and their customers don't pay a dime. When Netflix streams a movie, Netflix pays for the bandwidth to send the movie to the customer and the customer still has to pay for it when they receive it.

    Isn't he saying we should all get to stream Netflix without paying for the bandwidth it uses?

     

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    kitsune361, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:25am

    A better analogy...

    ... would be that both Comcast and Netflix have to pay the US Postal Service to deliver the mail, but Comcast wants Netflix to also pay for all the overtime their mail room guy is having to put in because the quantity of letters they're getting from Netflix.

    Note, they aren't HIRING a new mail room guy (adding more bandwidth) to offset their current mail room guy's work, just asking for more money so he can work harder on Netflix's mail instead of everyone else's.

     

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    kP (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 10:25am

    Comcast CEO Brian Roberts: please keep talking

    Sometimes the best case against bullshit is made by those arguing for the bullshit.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:25am

    So, in Roberts' magical fantasy world, how did Netflix acquire this 'free' bandwidth? Are Netflix master thieves? Is there an army of technicians inside Comcast loyal to Netflix manipulating traffic and logs?

     

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    pixelpusher220 (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 10:30am

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    "I would like to not have to pay for cable boxes". Great! neither do we. Since you're the one who added them to the system, you can take them out...

    What this moronic CEO just asked for was a GOVERNMENT internet equivalent of the USPS so that Netflix will pay for delivery and users only pay for data they send out, not for data they receive.

    I'm good with that, though I'm not sure he is...

     

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    Baron von Robber, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:37am

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    Death please.
    NO NO I meant cake! I meant cake.

     

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    AngusMightHaveABeef, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:42am

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    They do pay for their bandwidth. Why would you think they get free internet access?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:42am

    Netflix apparently said to the Comcast at one point that since they're 30% of Comcast's network traffic and Comcast wants them to pay for upgrading Comcast's networks to handle Netflix that Netflix will glad pay the costs, if they can take 30% of Comcast's revenue.

    Comcast of course greedily refused.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 30th, 2014 @ 10:49am

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    Netflix also offers to put caching servers into data centers of ISPs in order to get the content closer to the end customer and lower the bandwidth between systems.

     

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    Shel10 (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 11:07am

    Everyone pays for internet access. Yes... you can use a computer at a Public Library, or connect via wi-fi at a coffee shop without paying. However, the Library and the coffee shop are paying for the internet access.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 30th, 2014 @ 11:07am

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    But you said death first!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 30th, 2014 @ 11:08am

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    The content is in direct competition with Comcast's other product, cable service. Broadband providers and cable providers need to be forcibly split apart by the FTC as local and long distance phone service were. There is a conflict of interest today that is driving prices up for all consumers.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 30th, 2014 @ 11:08am

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    Then it's settled: Death by cake.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 30th, 2014 @ 11:14am

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    Perhaps a broadband offering from the USPS isn't such a bad idea.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 30th, 2014 @ 11:34am

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    I already pay Comcast for 50mbps. It shouldn't matter where it comes from or what I use it for. I paid for it.

     

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    ChrisB (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 11:36am

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    Robber Barons ... brought to you by government created monopolies.

     

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    Jeffrey Nonken (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 11:52am

    He can pay for my bandwidth while he's at it. And the rent on my MODEM.

     

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    Colin, May 30th, 2014 @ 12:15pm

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    Do you hate to say it because you know it's bullshit?

     

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    Nick (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 12:54pm

    Their own analogy actually disproves their argument they are trying to make.

    In their analogy, Comcast isn't the Postmaster. They are more like a owner/organizer of a mailsystem for an apartment complex. Mail comes in and goes out through their office, but they are not at all responsible for making sure the mail from another apartment complex down the street is delivered to the other side of the country.

     

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    Shel10 (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 12:58pm

    We don't pay for bandwidth, we pay for access (connectivity). Brian - the robber baron - is claiming that we should pay extra for faster access. Theoretically, we are paying extra money to be able to download at 50mbps, however, most of us rarely get better than 30mbps. So much for net neutrality!

    Brian - the robber baron - wants Netflix to pay for actual bandwidth used. Most enterprise (Netflix, GM, Walmart, Maryland Department of Transportation, etc.) users pay for access, and bandwidth usage.

    Brian - the robber baron - is actually not delivering on promises to the home user. He's stealing from us!

     

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    Greevar (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 1:30pm

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    You pay Netflix and they pay Cogent to deliver your stream to Comcast. You also pay Comcast to deliver it the rest of the way to your PC. So, you're paying Netflix, Cogent, and Comcast for that video stream. Comcast wants Netflix to pay for what you've already paid Comcast to do!

    What Comcast is trying to do is like Fed Ex charging you and Amazon to deliver your purchase. That's double dipping. In the end, the customers end up paying twice.

     

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    Digger, May 30th, 2014 @ 1:45pm

    Better idea...

    Tell Roberts that if he doesn't back off and remove the fees and return any and all payments to Netflix that we'll match the cost of Netflix's ISP fees for 1 month, and then publicly put that amount up as a Reward for his dead body.

    If it's nothing, no one will go for it, if it isn't - he'd better put up or run for the hills.

     

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    W Klink (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 1:50pm

    Paying for mail

    I don't actually pay anything to receive mail in my mailbox, and I don't know anyone who has been told that they receive too much mail and they're being cut off or charged extra.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 30th, 2014 @ 2:00pm

    >Of course he knows
    No he doesnt. He is a fuck'n greedy idiot who wants more money and will never bother to understand why he is wrong.

     

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    John Thacker, May 30th, 2014 @ 2:04pm

    Re:

    Theoretically, we are paying extra money to be able to download at 50mbps, however, most of us rarely get better than 30mbps. So much for net neutrality!


    Theoretically, as you point out, we're paying for access, not guaranteed bandwidth. The only way to pay for actual or guaranteed bandwidth is to be metered, like businesses (and networks paying each other for Internet transit). But no one likes metering (I don't either), so we'll be stuck with paying for access and theoretical maximums we don't get.

     

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    John Thacker, May 30th, 2014 @ 2:08pm

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    Of course, if you have a smaller ISP, not AT&T, Verizon, or Comcast, then your ISP probably pays Cogent or Level 3 for Internet transit. Double dipping by Cogent and Level 3. I haven't heard any announcement from Cogent and Level 3 that they're going to be offering free peering with smaller ISPs.

    Cox Communications, a cable ISP, pays Cogent for transit for things you request from Cox. That's the same kind of double-dipping.

    Cogent and Level 3 want to charge smaller networks for transit, but then get annoyed when the bigger networks try to turn it around on them.

     

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    John Thacker, May 30th, 2014 @ 2:14pm

    Re: Re:

    What Comcast is trying to do is like Fed Ex charging you and Amazon to deliver your purchase. That's double dipping.


    It's pretty common to have payments on both sides in two-sided markets. American Express and other fancy credit cards have annual fees-- but also charge merchants on purchases. Newspapers have subscription fees-- but also charge advertisers. Cable TV has subscription fees-- but also charges advertisers. Sony and Microsoft take cuts from both developers and end users to sell games on their services.

    At the same time, considerations can also mean that it makes sense to charge one side zero, or not.

     

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    JMT (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 2:17pm

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    So this guy implies Netflix are getting bandwidth for free and you just believe him?! It's a ridiculous assertion that anyone with half a brain would laugh at. Your critical thinking skills seem to be lacking...

     

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    The Groove Tiger (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 2:52pm

    Re:

    "When you're using a lot of fuel on a car, then you have the responsibility to pay for that fuel" said kenichi tanaka, while complaining why there isn't an extra charge each time a car drives in or out of a parking spot, on top of what they already paid at the gas station.

     

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    Shel10 (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 2:52pm

    Re: Paying for mail

    If you pay taxes, you are paying for most of the mail delivered. The postage you apply to letters doesn't cover the cost of mail delivery.

     

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    Daniel, May 30th, 2014 @ 3:12pm

    So...

    Why doesn't Netflix stop providing their service with Comcast customers? Or refuse to pay and let Comcast block Netflix?

    Regardless, Comcast's phones will be blown up.

     

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    nasch (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 4:16pm

    Re: Let's use that analogy

    Netflix customers pay those fees to the postal service, who is of course then responsible for delivering the goods.

    Netflix customers pay Netflix, and Netflix pays the USPS to deliver the discs. Receiving mail is (generally) free.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 30th, 2014 @ 5:34pm

    Apparently, Comcast CEO Brian Roberts does not understand how peering works. Perhaps he should consult one of the more technically knowledgeable employees before opening his mouth.

     

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    Whatever, May 30th, 2014 @ 6:47pm

    Issue

    The issue at hand is that while Netflix pays at their end, they do no pay at the receiving end. The middlemen transit providers charge at both ends, not just one. It's not like Netflix pays and everyone gets the content for free. Both ends pay.

    So the problem of heavy bandwidth use companies like Netflix is that they are also driving ISPs to have to increase the amount of bandwidth they pay for, without actually being able to pass that cost on to the end users. This is where all of your complaining about capping users adds to the squeeze that ISPs feel.

    Unless you understand that the internet is both "sender pays" and "receiver pays", then none of this makes sense.

     

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    Greevar (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 7:23pm

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    No, that entire argument is an equivocation. Comcast is charging two parties (subscribers and Netflix) for the exact same service. Comcast customers are already paying Comcast for the bandwidth for the purpose of accessing sites like Netflix. What's more, Comcast is degrading service purposely to make Netflix lose business and make the customers' experience poorer. That's flat-out extortion.

    The Fed Ex analogy applies. Would you want Fed Ex to delay the delivery you paid for because Amazon didn't give them a kickback to not delay it? What if Fed Ex was making it look like the delay was Amazon's fault rather than Fed Ex purposely delaying it?

     

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    Andrew D. Todd, May 30th, 2014 @ 7:26pm

    Re: Re: Let's use that analogy (to: Nasch, #50)

    Let's take the analogy to reality. Netflix really does send disks back and forth through the mails. Netflix mails disks at about two hundred Sorting Post Offices, in presorted batches of envelopes, and establishes return P.O. Box addresses at each of these, and sends out pre-paid mailers with the disks, with bar-codes, so that the customers can return the disks. For doing all these things, Netflix gets discounts according to published schedules, for saving the Post Office work. Netflix arranges for couriers to deliver and pick up stuff at the post offices, and carry it to and from a Netflix processing facility. This is standard bulk-mailing practice. It's cheaper to do all that kind of thing in-house, rather than pay for the Post Office's specially trusty public servants to do it. By that logic, Comcast ought to be paying Netflix to install its Content Delivery Network in Comcast's switchrooms.

    Another level of postal service is that between countries, as organized under the International Postal Union. If you want to mail a letter to someone in England, you buy the appropriate stamp from the United States Post Office, for about three times the cost of domestic mail, and put it on your envelope. The Post Office collects the mail, sorts it out, and hires an airline to carry sacks of mail to Heathrow, outside London, where it hands the sacks over the the Royal Mail, without any money changing hands. If your English correspondent wants to reply, he does the same thing in reverse, and the Royal Mail doesn't pay to have the mail distributed inside the United States. I don't know whether the architects of internet peering consciously copied the postal peering system or not.

    If Brian Roberts wants to call himself a postmaster, he should be aware of the case of David L. Carslake, of the Frosty Treats company, back in 2007. Reduced to essentials, the defendant, Carslake, recruited Russian guest-workers on false pretenses, employed them as ice-cream-truck drivers, housing them in apartments controlled by a confederate (six of them in a one-bedroom apartment), and, by fraud and terror, sought to reduce them to a condition of slavery. When the immigrants filed for working papers, in order to find another employer, they were obliged, presumably for want of any alternative address, to use their employer's address. Carslake intercepted mail sent to the immigrants by the United States government, in order to hang onto his labor force. There are serious penalties attached to diverting mail. Carslake thought his Russian guest-workers had no rights he was bound to respect. The FBI had to teach him different. He pled guilty to Obstruction of Mail, presumably in a plea bargain to avoid more serious charges. The prosecutor accepted the plea as the most expedient means to ensure that the Russian guest-workers didn't have to go back to Russia with nothing to show for their summer's work.

    http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbis-top-ten-news-stories-11
    http://freshare.net /article/kcs_frosty_treats_to_pay_47555_to_foreign_student_workers_in_obstruction_of/
    http://www.law. umich.edu/CLINICAL/HUTRAFFICCASES/Pages/CaseDisp.aspx?caseID=392
    http://www.unodc.org/cld//case-law-d oc/traffickingpersonscrimetype/usa/2007/united_states_v._carslake.html?lng=fr
    http://www.justice.gov/ usao/mow/news2007/carslake.ple.htm
    http://www.pitch.com/FastPitch/archives/2007/09/11/federal-heat-me lts-ice-cream-man
    http://www.semissourian.com/story/1434794.html
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    See also my comments on this History New Network thread, back in 2011, about a University of Wisconsin professor who was threatened with having his e-mail spied on when he criticized the governor of Wisconsin.

    http://hnn.us/blog/137919
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    Parenthetically, I see some posts from John Thacker, regurgitating Comcast talking points. I would suggest that he read the prior discussion.

    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140516/12271727260/comcast-says-its-going-to-slap-all- its-customers-with-data-caps-makes-half-hearted-attempt-to-walk-back-earlier-statements-when.shtml#c 549
    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140514/06500227230/cable-industrys-own-numbers-show-general-de cline-investment-over-past-seven-years.shtml#c467
    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140502/070954270 95/interconnection-how-big-broadband-kills-net-neutrality-without-violating-net-neutrality.shtml#c12 9
    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140502/07095427095/interconnection-how-big-broadband-kills-net-n eutrality-without-violating-net-neutrality.shtml#c160
    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140502/07095 427095/interconnection-how-big-broadband-kills-net-neutrality-without-violating-net-neutrality.shtml #c244

     

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    Greevar (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 7:38pm

    Re: Re:

    I wouldn't want that. It puts the server as the mercy of clients. It would make bit-torrent completely infeasible because you could be serving 1000 leechers, but only connection to 10 seeders. It would encourage everyone to leech and discourage them from seeding.

     

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    fairuse (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 7:44pm

    Re: Issue

    That is best answer to all the hand wringing and argument seeking emotional response out of the group users (ISP customers). I would put a link here to a resource but it will fall on minds assured the knowledge, in the form of opinion, is righteous.

    Ref: Comcast Launches Commercial CDN Service

     

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    nasch (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 9:00pm

    Re: Re: Paying for mail

    If you pay taxes, you are paying for most of the mail delivered. The postage you apply to letters doesn't cover the cost of mail delivery.

    No, all that junk mail does. "The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the minor exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service

     

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    techflaws (profile), May 30th, 2014 @ 10:51pm

    Re: Issue

    It's already been passed on to the end consumers in form of the flat fee they pay for their internet access. If that calculation is off, the ISP needs to rethink it.

    And it's not like the customer's to blame either. The ISP initiated the move from volume based billing to flat rates and apparently they had no problems with the majority of users not using their contracts full capacity.

     

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    alan turing, May 30th, 2014 @ 11:34pm

    They've been putzing around for the last couple a decades misusing the funds big brother provided to better the load bearing capabilities of their networks and now that it would be keen to have that beefed up shit working for them they want more money for nothing because, bandwidth.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 31st, 2014 @ 6:32am

    Re: Issue

    Perhaps you need to learn a bit more about how peering works and what the Sherman Antitrust Act was all about. Use of the word "was" is intentional for obvious reasons.

    Or perhaps you should just come out and admit your bias toward allowing unfettered monopoly.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 31st, 2014 @ 6:47am

    It seems that Comcast/TimeWarner is attempting to become the new AOL. I wonder if they will have an "Access the WWW" button in their Walled Garden. It is quite amusing they fail to see the inevitable train wreck to which they are speeding.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 31st, 2014 @ 8:56am

    Re: Re: Issue

    Don't feed the troll.

     

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    robert, May 31st, 2014 @ 11:24am

    con-cast

    A lot of the people running companies have absolutely no idea what the companies do. They just ant a bigger pay package. Does anyone really think that the guys running major movie studios know the intricacies of copyright law or have the vaguest idea about what could constitute piracy?

     

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    Jason Tylor, Jun 1st, 2014 @ 6:30pm

    Re: Re:

    If Netflix is that innocent, then why is it paying Comcast, huh? By the way, they are not just Comcast's customers, but they are Netflix's customers also. In essence, to give best experience to its customers and thereby to get more customers and earn more money, Netflix is paying Comcast a small piece of its cake.

     

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    nasch (profile), Jun 1st, 2014 @ 7:08pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    If Netflix is that innocent, then why is it paying Comcast, huh?

    What is it you think they're guilty of?

     

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    Jason Tylor, Jun 1st, 2014 @ 9:13pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "What is it you think they're guilty of?"

    Neither they are guilty of anything, nor they are that innocent just to serve Comcast customers. It is a matter of two giant business tycoons doing business together, and some innocent intellectuals passing judgements.

     

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    nasch (profile), Jun 1st, 2014 @ 9:44pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    They're neither guilty nor innocent? Strange.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 2nd, 2014 @ 4:53am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Yeah - nuttin personal, juz business

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 2nd, 2014 @ 4:58am

    Re: Re: Paying for mail

    The USPS does not rely upon taxes for their funding, and they would be running a surplus if not for the retarded meddling of dumb asses in Congress.

     

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    Niall (profile), Jun 2nd, 2014 @ 5:22am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "Let them eat..."

     

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    Jason Tylor, Jun 2nd, 2014 @ 6:40am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "They're neither guilty nor innocent? Strange."

    Mr. nasch, what is it you are not understanding? I said Netflix is not "that" innocent as projected by Mr. Chris Brand where one would get a feeling that Netflix is just responding to Comcast customers as a voluntary service. I said Netflix is not "that" innocent, as they are Netflix customers also. You went into court's legal language of 'guilty' and 'innocence'.

    Even now if you don't understand, then there is no point in discussing it further.

     

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    John Fenderson (profile), Jun 2nd, 2014 @ 8:32am

    Re: Re: Re:

    "If Netflix is that innocent, then why is it paying Comcast, huh?"

    Because Comcast extorted them into it. They deliberately allowed service to Netflix to degrade and would only fix it if Netflix paid up.

    "That's a nice business you have there, Netflix, it'd be a shame if something happened to it."

     

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    John Fenderson (profile), Jun 2nd, 2014 @ 8:35am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    That's the whole problem. Comcast putting the screws to Netflix is "just business", but it's doing business in a way that is bad for everyone.

    It's "just business" in a way that's similar to how dumping toxic waste in a landfilll is "just business".

     

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    nasch (profile), Jun 2nd, 2014 @ 10:04am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    You went into court's legal language of 'guilty' and 'innocence'.


    That's not legal language, it's English. "Guilty" is the opposite of "innocent". "Not that innocent" implies "somewhat guilty", but you then said they're not guilty of anything. So if they're "not guilty at all" how can they be, at the same time, "not that innocent"? But if you don't feel like responding that's fine, I don't really care.

     

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    Spaceman Spiff (profile), Jun 2nd, 2014 @ 4:55pm

    Netflix vs. Comcrap

    Instead of folding into Comcast's extortionate demands, Netflix should have told their Comcast customers that they could no longer get Netflix until Comcast restored a level playing field. Guess how long Comcast would have kept throttling Netflix content under a deluge of millions of customers threatening to drop their service?

    Unfortunately, most of those customers have few (if any) options other than Comcrap for internet access in their area... :-(

     

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    Shel10 (profile), Jun 2nd, 2014 @ 10:02pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Do we really need to hash over the O.J. verdict?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 4th, 2014 @ 9:06am

    Re: Paying for mail

    I have worked for a business that was charged a surcharge for their mail deliver.y

     

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    Joseph Q. Public, Jun 13th, 2014 @ 12:09pm

    Re: Response to: kenichi tanaka on May 30th, 2014 @ 10:03am

    because they're monopolies that's why. we're supposed to just bend over, take it and smile

     

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