If You Thought YouTube's Copyright Lesson Was Bad...

from the wow dept

If you thought YouTube's ridiculous copyright lesson was bad, you haven't seen anything. Copyright lawyer Ray Dowd points us to this hysterically awful copyright "public service announcement" that appears to have been put together by a schoolteacher, but which gets a bunch of basic things wrong (or relies on some questionable "suggestions" about what constitutes fair use). It also appears to use a bunch of music that it almost certainly did not license. I don't think Britney Spears' reps licensed "Oops I Did It Again" to this teacher. Oh, and then there are the zombiefied children. As Dowd notes, he originally thought it was a parody, but it appears to be serious. Misguided. But serious. It includes no mention of the public domain, and even suggests you can't show more than five images, even though they're in the public domain.
As Dowd explains:
The video shows children chanting that a teacher can show no more that 5 images from the artist Wassily Kandinsky in a classroom. Really weird. Even when things are in the public domain, teachers are brainwashing children that use of the images are verboten. And then using music samples in a way that is clearly NOT fair use...

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    The eejit (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 2:43am

    I'd say that this was irony, but it's not that. What's the word I'm looking for?

    Ah, yes! Hypocrisy.

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    Anonymous Coward, 18 Apr 2011 @ 2:49am

    So violating copy'right' law is wrong because if you do it then you will face undue punishment? So if drinking water resulted in huge fines, we shouldn't do that either?

    What does the legal punishment have to do with the moral nature of copy'right' law to begin with? Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it shouldn't be done if there were no such law. That's what this video misses, it misses the fundamental questions of whether or not copy'right' should even exist to begin with, whether or not the fines are reasonable, and it simply skips over to the part that says, if you break this law you will be heavily punished. But that misses the point.

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      Kaden (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 5:58am

      Re:

      Your obsession with something as unquantifiable as 'morals' makes it hard to take you seriously. Morals are societal behavioral paradigms tacitly agreed upon by the collective as a whole; they're not dictated by the supposedly aggrieved and righteously indignant.

      You may be better off looking into ethic or value based arguments, which can at least have a logical explanation for their existence other than 'because'.

      Honestly, you sound like a particularly petulant evangelical preacher sometimes.

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        harbingerofdoom (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 6:17am

        Re: Re:

        lol
        you just slammed him for morals based arguments and then said he'd be better of looking into "ethic" based arguments.

        +2 funny

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          Kaden (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 6:33am

          Re: Re: Re:

          That's the sort of talk that'll get you covered in spittle flecks if you broach it near any university philosophy department. Ethics are the subject of millennia old philosophical discourse, and are to be taken VERY SERIOUSLY.

          For morals, you need Religious Studies... that's the building with the gargoyles across the quad.

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            Anonymous Coward, 18 Apr 2011 @ 8:38am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            Type define ethics into google. First answer:
            1. Moral principles that govern a person's or group's behavior.
            2. The moral correctness of specified conduct.

            I am aware that many people who split hairs take hair splitting VERY SERIOUSLY.

            The reality is that ethics and morality (and whatever other term you like) are very closely linked. Trying to imply that people "should" behave in a certain way falls into similar categories for most people.

            For example, I tell you what to do. You get angry. It doesn't matter if I was quoting my religious text or if I was providing a reasoned argument for some ethic. You are still angry because other people are trying to control your behavior.

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        Anonymous Coward, 18 Apr 2011 @ 7:43am

        Re: Re:

        "Morals are societal behavioral paradigms tacitly agreed upon by the collective as a whole"

        So then, by your logic, if the collective as a whole naturally copy things without the need for brainwashing and without fines then it's perfectly ethical because the collective whole would do it without the fines and so that suggests they tend to agree with it. and if the collective whole disagrees with piracy strongly enough, then there is little need to impose ridiculous punishments to prevent it because those who do agree with it will be a minority that hardly makes a difference in anyone's revenue stream.

        The video doesn't even try to touch upon the subject of ethics, even from your convoluted perspective of what the collective whole wants, it just dives right into the "if you do this, you will get punished" argument, as if the unethical nature of an action, outside its illegality, is based on how much legal punishment that action will bring upon you thanks to its legality, and not even on what the collective whole agrees on.

        These undue punishments and brainwashing mechanisms are introduced exactly because those introducing them know that the public doesn't care for these laws enough for them to be adequately enforced at will because the public doesn't really disagree with them all that strongly and so the only way to get people to comply with them is through insanely excessive punishment and indoctrination.

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          Anonymous Coward, 18 Apr 2011 @ 7:46am

          Re: Re: Re:

          thanks to its illegality *

          because the public doesn't really agree with them all that strongly *

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          Kaden (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 7:58am

          Re: Re: Re:

          Huh?

          Aside from your initial quote, I didn't say a single thing you are attributing to me.

          Have you been drinking?

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          PaulT (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 9:15am

          Re: Re: Re:

          Despite the hideously long run-on sentences in your post, yes that's how laws work. They are intended to stop people who violate the norms of society. If laws punish those who participate in activities that a large majority of the population thinks are OK, they will not work. For example: prohibition. However:

          "those who do agree with it will be a minority that hardly makes a difference in anyone's revenue stream"

          Erm, what? By "it", I'm assuming you're referring to piracy (your horrible writing makes it difficult to tell)? What are you arguing here?

          "the only way to get people to comply with them is through insanely excessive punishment and indoctrination"

          No it's not. If the laws cannot be enforced through normal means, then they are either irrelevant or unenforceable. Changing the law to something workable is a good alternative option, as is taking public opinion rather than those of corporations into account. Cracking down on a majority never, ever works.

          The real way to deal with piracy is to shift to business models that make piracy a non-issue. Your alternative is Stalinist propaganda and brainwashing - hardly a positive move.

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      David Muir (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 8:53am

      Undue Punishment

      un·due/ˌənˈd(y)o͞o/
      Adjective: Unwarranted or inappropriate because excessive or disproportionate: "$375,000 fine to an individual for sharing 30 songs is UNDUE punishment".

      According to the teacher, violating copyright law is wrong. Period. I think we can then take that point and turn it around: Copyright law is wrong because the big media companies have lobbied to make the punishments UNDUE.

      I actually didn't mean to nitpick, but I thought it was kind of neat how you covered two aspects of the problem with public perception of copyright law in one sentence (even if you did it unintentionally).

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    Capitalist Lion Tamer (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 2:52am

    You can't start too early

    Kids need to learn that everything comes with rules, most of which are vaguely written and enforced harshly. They need to learn that art should be feared rather than shared or valued. They also need to learn how to answer more questions in unison. Nothing is as wholesome as a bunch of kids parroting someone else's overwrought copyright spiel.

    Of course, these kids probably could teach their teacher a thing or two, like how to shut off the timestamp on her digital camera.

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      The Devil's Coachman (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 3:55pm

      Re: You can't start too early

      Reminds me of the flick "Village of the Damned".

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        monkyyy, 20 Apr 2011 @ 4:53pm

        Re: Re: You can't start too early

        mr. bley wants to quote the title of a movie, can he do this?

        no he must summit a 100 page "requesting use of movie title" forum to the MPAA 6 mouths in advance

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    Capitalist Lion Tamer (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 2:58am

    Also: the 30-second rule

    I think the point of the fair use rule is to find music or whatever that is useful in context. I really don't think that fair use was meant to cover a person using 30-second clips of whatever happened to be cued up in the media player at that point in time.

    However, it does make the point that those who spend this much time pushing copyright maximalism really have no artistic sensibilities.

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    Hiiragi Kagami (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 3:15am

    This changes nothing.

    Literally.

    Perhaps it's time Mike pull out the whiteboard and fix these issues of past?

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    charliebrown (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 3:17am

    In Australia, copyrighted material may be reproduced for the purpose of EDUCATION! So this video is not relevant to Australia.

    But that aside, I have seen "amateur" videos on YouTube filmed on some kid's mobile phone that looked more professional than this thing!

    And the opening bit about downloading was very vague. Took me a moment to work out what the heck was going on!

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      PaulT (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 4:24am

      Re:

      "In Australia, copyrighted material may be reproduced for the purpose of EDUCATION! So this video is not relevant to Australia."

      Since most of the major corporations pushing this kind of nonsense are American, they tend to assume that American rules apply anywhere, and push to change the laws if they don't.

      At least I didn't buy a £20 DVD to be faced with this nonsense *this* time, whereas the "pirated" download contains no such anti-"piracy" message....

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      Michael, 18 Apr 2011 @ 5:32am

      Re:

      "In Australia, copyrighted material may be reproduced for the purpose of EDUCATION! So this video is not relevant to Australia."

      I for one feel like I have lost a few IQ points because of watching this video. What is the opposite of education?

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    alternatives(), 18 Apr 2011 @ 4:51am

    Child Labor laws

    Say - did those kids get scale for being in that video?

    How about a release from the parents?

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    Kadinza (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 5:07am

    quality.

    This is why we need to privatize education in this country. Unions are letting these stupid teachers remain even though it's obvious they are no good. Now I am not on the anti union bandwagon with the exception I figure since they make more than us and we pay for our health and retirement they should do the same. I say we draw and quarter her to make and example of what needs to happen to bad teachers.

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      Anonymous Coward, 18 Apr 2011 @ 5:46am

      Re: quality.

      Unions are letting these stupid teachers remain even though it's obvious they are no good.
      It isn't the unions - school management is responsible for this rubbish.

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        harbingerofdoom (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 6:27am

        Re: Re: quality.

        both of you need to be a LOT more realistic and honest with yourself in your viewpoints.

        its actually BOTH are at fault with a large helping of parental apathy to top it off.

        there is not one single "There is the problem!" item in education.... there are always lots of problems and always more than one group with plenty of blame that can be laid at their doorsteps....

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    New Mexico Mark, 18 Apr 2011 @ 5:24am

    Apparently Mr. Bley is completely pwned by Microsoft

    According to this video, (chant with me here), "Mr. Bley has permission only to run Microsoft software on his computer".

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      PaulT (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 6:26am

      Re: Apparently Mr. Bley is completely pwned by Microsoft

      Wow. I didn't bother watching the vid (I know it will just piss me off and the frame displayed tell me all I need to know about it's accuracy), but really?

      The problem with the industry is that some people will actually swallow this crap.

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      PaulT (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 6:26am

      Re: Apparently Mr. Bley is completely pwned by Microsoft

      Wow. I didn't bother watching the vid (I know it will just piss me off and the frame displayed tell me all I need to know about it's accuracy), but really?

      The problem with the industry is that some people will actually swallow this crap.

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    A.O., 18 Apr 2011 @ 7:42am

    Hilarious:

    "Yes, copyright laws can be complicated. It's often hard to tell if you are uploading something you created yourself or something someone else created."

    (http://www.theonion.com/articles/youtube-educates-offenders-about-copyright,20075/)

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    Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), 18 Apr 2011 @ 8:10am

    Class dismissed

    ICE should come and arrest the teacher in front of the class...that would be an education.

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    monkyyy, 20 Apr 2011 @ 4:44pm

    THEIR CHANTING!!!!!!
    WITCHCRAFT, CULTS, etc.

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