Jim Jordan Celebrates Google Caving To His Pressure In Letter That Says Caving To Government Pressure Is Wrong
from the such-a-stupid-timeline dept
Look, if you want to cut to the chase: the lawyers working for Google and Meta know that the MAGA world is very, very stupid and very, very gullible, and it’s very, very easy to tell them something that they know will be interpreted as a “victory” while actually signaling something very, very different. You could just reread my analysis of Meta and Mark Zuckerberg’s silly misleading caving to Rep. Jim Jordan last year, because this is more of the same.
This time it’s Google doing the caving in a manner they absolutely know doesn’t actually admit to things that Jordan and the MAGAverse will insist it does actually admit. If anything, it’s actually admitting the reverse. Specifically, it sent a letter replying to some Jim Jordan subpoenas, which Jim Jordan is claiming as a victory for free speech because Google said things he can misrepresent as such.
Lots of very silly people (including Jordan) have been running around all week falsely claiming that Google has “admitted” that the Biden administration illegally censored people, and in response, they’re now reinstating accounts of people who were “unfairly censored.”
To be fair, this is what Google wants Jim Jordan and MAGA people to believe because it feeds into their pathetic victim narrative.
But it’s not what Google actually said for people who can read (and comprehend basic English). I won’t go through the entire letter, but let’s cover the supposed admission of censorship from the Biden admin:
Senior Biden Administration officials, including White House officials, conducted repeated and sustained outreach to Alphabet and pressed the Company regarding certain user-generated content related to the COVID-19 pandemic that did not violate its policies. While the Company continued to develop and enforce its policies independently, Biden Administration officials continued to press the Company to remove non-violative user-generated content.
It is not new, nor is it all that controversial, that the Biden administration did some outreach regarding COVID-19 content. But note what Google says here: “the Company continued to develop and enforce its policies independently.” In other words, Biden folks reached out, Google said “thanks, but that doesn’t violate our policies, so we’re not doing anything about it.”
Now, we can say that the government shouldn’t be in the business of telling private companies anything at all, but that’s a bit rich coming from the MAGA world that spent the last week focused on getting Disney to “moderate” Jimmy Kimmel out of a fucking job with actual threats of punishment if they failed to do so.
And that, once again, is the key issue: as the Supreme Court has long held, government officials are allowed to use “the bully pulpit” to seek to persuade companies as long as there is no implicit or explicit threat. Some will argue that the message here must have come with an implicit threat, and that’s an area where people can debate and differ on, though the fact that Google flat out admits that it basically told the Biden admin “no” seems to undermine that there was any threat included.
As online platforms, including Alphabet, grappled with these decisions, the Administration’s officials, including President Biden, created a political atmosphere that sought to influence the actions of platforms based on their concerns regarding misinformation.
Again, this is not new. The Biden admin did this publicly and many of us called them out for it. The question is whether or not they reached the level of coercion.
Meanwhile, this is either accidental irony, or Google’s lawyers know that Jim Jordan would totally miss the sarcasm included in this next bit:
It is unacceptable and wrong when any government, including the Biden Administration, attempts to dictate how the Company moderates content, and the Company has consistently fought against those efforts on First Amendment grounds.
Why do I say it’s ironic? Because Jim Jordan’s subpoenas and demands to Google are very much a government official attempting to dictate how Google moderates content (in that he wants them to not moderate content he favors).
Indeed, right after this, Google starts groveling about how it’s so, so sorry that YouTube took moderation actions on conspiracy theory and nonsense peddler accounts that Jordan likes and thus will begin to reinstate them.
Yes, in the very letter where Google tells Jim Jordan “it’s wrong for the government to tell us how to moderate,” it also says “thank you for telling us how to moderate, we are following your demands.” Absolutely incredible.
Perhaps even more incredible is the discussion of fact checking. The company mentions that it doesn’t employ third-party fact checkers for YouTube to review content for moderation purposes:
In contrast to other large platforms, YouTube has not operated a fact-checking program that identifies and compensates fact-checking partners to produce content to support moderation. YouTube has not and will not empower fact-checkers to take action on or label content across the Company’s services.
Which in turn led Jordan to crow about how this was a huge success:

If you can’t read that, it’s Jordan saying:
But that’s not all. YouTube is making changes to its platform to prevent future censorship. YouTube is committing to the American people that it will NEVER use outside so-called “fact-checkers” to censor speech. No more telling Americans what to believe and not believe.
But fact checking is not “censorship.” It’s literally “more speech.” It’s not telling anyone what to believe or what not to believe. It’s providing additional information. You know, that whole “marketplace of ideas” that they keep telling us is so important.
Then, Jordan crowed directly about how his own efforts caused YouTube to reinstate people. In other words, in the same letter that he insists supports him and which says it is “unacceptable and wrong” for government officials “to dictate how the Company moderates content” he excitedly claims credit for dictating how YouTube should moderate content:

“Because of our work.” So you are flat out admitting that you have told Google how to moderate, and it is complying by reinstating accounts that you wanted them to reinstate.
That certainly would raise questions about unconstitutional jawboning if we didn’t live in a world in which it has been decided “it’s okay when Republicans do it” but not okay when Democrats do something much less direct or egregious.
It’s almost like there’s a double standard, and it’s very much like Google is willing to suck up to MAGA folks to take advantage of that double standard… just as Mark Zuckerberg did.
Filed Under: 1st amendment, content moderation, donald trump, free speech, jawboning, jim jordan, joe biden
Companies: google, youtube
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Comments on “Jim Jordan Celebrates Google Caving To His Pressure In Letter That Says Caving To Government Pressure Is Wrong”
Calendars have a well-known liberal bias
The most polarizing question in modern politics is arguing about who was President in 2020.
BBC: Coronavirus: YouTube bans misleading Covid-19 vaccine videos (14 October 2020)
NPR: Twitter Permanently Suspends Steve Bannon Account After Beheading Comments
(November 6, 2020)
The fact that so many people are so brain dead that they cannot see the irony and hypocrisy is amazing.
Republicans, honestly, how the fuck do you get out of bed without any braincells?
I’m so fucking deep in the Google ecosystem, I can’t easily back out, but this has got to be a priority going forward.
“It’s almost like there’s a double standard…”
Almost?
How tired are you?
How much of the Same Dribble, Can you Survive?
I try to limit the amounts Im getting, but Everything is Full to the Brim or Over flowing.
This is a Giant Ping pong game, and NO one is answering the questions Or Admitting to being Wrong.
There are ALWAYS Background things happening and it seems No one has Caught them doing anything. This is a Circus, and the Ticket house is being robbed, and the elephant is giving birth.
This isn’t just lawyers lawyering. Something this political would’ve been signed off at the top.
Always has been. It’s one of the many reasons you can’t expect the market alone to be a good incentive for company T&S.
It should still raise some questions about how much you trust these companies to converge to “least bad” solutions, and how much autonomy their T&S teams have.
Reality: Biden asked to remove some videos. YouTube said no.
Jim Jordan: Biden requested to remove some videos. YouTube said yes because Biden threaten it.
Reality: YouTube didn’t allowed fact-checkers to remove video.
Jim Jordan: YouTube allowed fact-checkers to remove video because it wanted censorship.
Reality: YouTube used to follow Health authorities recommendations to remove some videos. But Health authorities have changed a lot recently, and it became very hard to know what to think.
Jim Jordan: YouTube used to follow Health authorities recommendations to remove some videos. But Health authorities have changed a lot recently, and it became a bliss to know what to think.
Reality: YouTube allows more videos about 2020 events since time has passed.
Jim Jordan: YouTube allows more videos about 2020 events since we’re doing such a great job.
'I have the right to speak my mind. You have the right to agree with me.'
To a republicans even criticism is censorship that must be stopped when it’s done to them, but a republican government official outright telling companies what speech they will and will not say is just another tuesday.
As always no-one hates free speech more than those that loudly declare themselves it’s greatest supporters and defenders.
Few days ago this wasn’t even a story. Now you are writing a story about it…
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I see why you are confused. For Mike this is a story about Jim Jordan and all the other confused people who think Google’s letter is a story about admitting something.
Perhaps you could learn something from understanding this distinction.
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Ah, back on the conservatives were never censored train, are we? Boy that sure must be a fun ride…
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We have remained on the truth train all along, friend.
You should join us.