Why Google And Apple (And Others) Have No Choice: They Can’t Restart TikTok, They Can Only Fight
from the crossroads dept
Even though the Supreme Court somehow didn’t agree, the ban on TikTok remains unconstitutional garbage for all the reasons we’ve discussed: its impact on the platform itself, the impact on its users, and its impact on other service providers that help it work. The corrupt scramble we’ve seen to try to keep it going, ever since it went into effect, only provides more evidence for why it was exactly the sort of law the Constitution should have prohibited.
But in the wake of TikTok v. Garland, here we are, with TikTok still basically shut down — or at least without the partners it needs to work properly. Or protect its users, because as long as it’s not in the app stores users cannot get software updates, thus leaving every phone with it installed extremely vulnerable to unpatched zero day exploits. Which, of course, is yet another reason the “Protecting Americans From Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act” was unconstitutionally bad policy that never should have been allowed by anyone (as well as very poorly named).
But the Executive Order Trump just issued to forestall the law’s enforcement doesn’t solve the problem. There is still a law on the books that sanctions TikTok, as well as anyone who helps TikTok provide its services. Trump has no authority to set aside the law. Nor does he have the authority to delay its enforcement – the law articulates a small avenue by which he could, but the criteria that would give him this power has not been met (it would have required TikTok to be much further along with divesting itself).
Instead the Executive Order creates new problems. Because here is Trump trying to claim an unprecedented amount of raw power to decide whether or not to enforce the law. But that lawlessness he’s demonstrating can offer no protection from law. It can offer no protection from anything. And Google and Apple and any of the other providers TikTok needs would be fools to pretend otherwise.
Just run the math: Trump wants these companies to be in his debt. From at least some, like Google, he’s already extracted at least a million dollars in tithes “for his inauguration.” But there’s nothing to limit him from continuing to extract millions more. Meanwhile, if any of these companies serve TikTok they will be staring down a sanction of potentially more than 500 billion dollars (the penalty, especially for the app stores, is $5000 per TikTok user, and even for the other providers it’s still $500 per user). So if the way to avoid that penalty is to depend on Trump’s arbitrary benevolence, Trump could extract up to $499,999,999,999 from each of them, and that’s just to maybe avoid them getting in trouble for violating this law. Stay tuned for what other laws get put on the books next, especially now that the constitutional limits on them have been so relaxed.
At that point it would have long been more cost effective to just help elect Democrats and pay taxes like a normal company hoping to profit from Americans’ business.
Trump’s promise not to enforce is also as void as it is arbitrary and autocratic. As it is, the text of the executive order, at Section 3(c), instructs that no one should rely on it:
This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
It may be boilerplate that shows up in a lot of executive orders, but it’s still sitting there, in this one, having effect.
As a result the only choice these companies have is not whether to serve TikTok again or not; that choice got made for them by the stupid law, which decided for them that they cannot. Their only choice is whether to silently obey the law, or to fight it.
This law is jawboning and affects its own interests in a way that even Trump himself has recognized is unconstitutional. As has the Supreme Court. Furthermore, the extraordinary, distorting penalties also present their own constitutional concerns, which is an issue the courts have yet to address in this context.
In the face of this unconstitutionality the companies should have fought already, but with this actual injury to the companies now so proximate and likely, they probably still can, or at least plausibly try. And they should. Not only would doing so be in their own immediate legal interests, but their business ones as well. Because as long as the public sees these big tech companies as being in Trump’s pocket, no one will trust them again. But government contracts aside, their businesses still depend on that public trust, whether by customers, investors, or other regulators still able to sink their own teeth into them. It’s time to earn that trust by saying no to any of these abuses of power, for their sake and everyone’s.
Filed Under: donald trump, executive order, intermediaries, liability
Companies: apple, bytedance, google, tiktok


Comments on “Why Google And Apple (And Others) Have No Choice: They Can’t Restart TikTok, They Can Only Fight”
If only they could have seen that coming...
Played by convicted felon Trump of all people… ooh that’s got to sting.
He get all the (misplaced) credit for ‘stopping’ the ban whereas the tech companies get all the (also misplaced) blame for refusing to start offering the app again, despite the fact that it would be a massive financial and legal risk to do so so long as the law is on the books.
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Which is all the more ironic when you consider how he was the first person to push for the ban—and how he only did that after he was humiliated by K-pop stans who organized on TikTok to make sure he expected more people at one of his campaign rallies than actually attended the rally.
Musk must be crying: “Donald, ban Twitter! I want this money!!”
You're giving Trump too much credit here
Always remember: HE CAN’T READ. So it’s really quite too much to expect that he actually read this executive order — which was written by other people — and that in spite of his obvious innate mental deficiencies and his rapidly accelerating dementia, that he has the slightest chance of comprehending it.
The same goes for his other orders. He’s no more capable of writing (or reading) those than I am of studying organic chemistry in Chinese.
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No, this is just how one speaks. “Trump” means whatever Trump apparatus whenever, wherever. This is the same way one speaks of court cases, where so-and-so argues, but of course it is so-and-so’s lawyers.
But most of all, dude is impossible to credit unless you are one of the angry zombies controlled by a brain slug.
Thing is, even though having TikTok in their app stores is financially beneficial to them, Apple and Google won’t fight, because of the authoritarianism brought about by some of the China hawks in Congress who backed the law in the first place. NetChoice would have fought on their and TikTok’s behalf, but Steve Scalise all but threatened them with investigations based on “disloyalty to the U.S.” if they continued associating with ByteDance (also an act of jawboning), which weakened ByteDance’s advantage in fighting the law as well as making it impossible for Apple and Google to fight their compelled enforcement of PAFACA without Congressional retaliation.
Thing is Biden and Trump’s word didn’t matter. Biden thought (wrongly) his verbal commitment to non-enforcement during his final day as president was legally binding, when only invoking the 90-day extension in the law would have allayed Apple and Google’s concerns about excessive fines. Biden and Trump both pulled “trust me, bros” here, ignorant that only the extension clause in the actual law would have given them assurance that they won’t be held liable, since they legally could host TikTok and other ByteDance apps without consequence.
I saw media reports pointing out that Trump’s vow of non-enforcement wouldn’t be enough to assure Apple and Google; but it was obvious Biden’s word wouldn’t matter without immediate legal action, which is why despite ultimately taking Trump’s word and restarting TikTok’s services 14 hours after shutting down (and a couple of its other apps over the next two days), ByteDance tried to force Biden to delay the ban, which he should have done, since that’s the only way its apps would have remained available.
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“authoritarianism brought about by some of the China hawks in Congress who backed the law in the first place.” really now?
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Uh. Yeah? What’s the question here?
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The question is “really now?”, I can’t make it any clearer than that!
as well as civil damages
They also open themselves up to civil lawsuits. When tiktok was legal if a kid was harmed due to seeing something “not safe for kids” they were protected from lawsuits by the 1st amendment and also “dont let tiktok babysit your kids”. But if kids are harmed by watching something that wasnt even legal in the first place thats a different story. And the “kids harmed” is just spice. There are a plethora of damages suits that can come about if they break the law carrying tiktok.
Just because the government chooses not to enforce a law doesnt make it legal.
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Doesn’t section 230 prevent them from sueing over harms caused by content on their site?
Well, not like that’s gonna matter for long anyway..
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shut the fuck up my lord
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So I’m supposed to ignore the lawyers/legal experts/congress observers on Bluesky saying there’s bipartisan agreement to repeal section 230? That it’s downright ENTHUSIASTIC support for it?
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oh shut up with that doom post shit your defending
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You should stop trying to make yourself feel like shit. The fear is always worse than the reality. People feared the absolute worst when Trump was in office the first time around, but in many cases, the worst never came to pass. (Example: Despite his best efforts, Trump was never able to repeal the ACA.) Yes, awful shit will happen under the second Trump presidency. Yes, you will likely have little-to-no personal ability to stop it from happening. But if you’re not turning your fear into action, you’re wallowing in self-pity, and few people here are going to join you in that muck.
I’ll also mention this while I’m at it: If you have some sort of mental illness or psychological issue that forces you to keep doomscrolling, drop into anxiety spirals, and/or refuse taking action, seek professional help immediately. You are harming yourself when you don’t have to do that, and you need to see someone who can help you stop doing that.
Oh, and on the off-chance that you’re doing this as some sort of right-wing demoralization campaign? Tell the people you’re working for/with that it isn’t working here.
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stop with the fucking doomposting you miserable piece of shit ac
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To clarify: If apple or google carry tiktok illegally and someone gets hurt they can be liable. Im not sure tiktok would be breaking the law but if they were then 230 wont protect them either. If you break the law you are liable if someone suffers harm.
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And the “kids harmed” is just a bunch of bullshit.
Trump managed to make the SC court look like absolute tools.
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Ah, the supreme Court Court! That venerable institution! ;-P
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No, they managed to do that quite nicely on their own, no help needed from him.
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That’s a fair point.
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CCP shill says What?
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You certainly did.
One thing I’m wondering is if Apple has the ability to forcibly uninstall the relevant apps from users’ iOS devices. I can’t find any documentation of such an ability but I’m also not ruling out the possibility that they’re keeping such an ability on the down low due to the additional scrutiny it would attract (especially from Epic Games).
I know Google has this ability in relation to Android devices through its Google Play Protect service.
Honestly, I don’t buy the argument it’s a freedom of speech issue. In addition, I don’t think it goes far enough.
China has shown time and again it can’t be trusted.
Plus, state media likes the “tiktok refugees” going to rednote: https://yro.slashdot.org/story/25/01/19/0016233/on-eve-of-tiktok-ban-chinese-app-rednote-surges-in-popularity-delighting-chinese-state-media
Cybersec ops are strong with the CCP.
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Yes, what could possibly be problematic with regards to free speech and the first amendment from banning an entire social media platform that tons of people use to speak on?
I don’t really see why it’s in their best interests to fight this. It’s hard to imagine the revenue from ByteDance was a major part of Google or Apple’s bottom line, and probably less than it would cost in lobbyists (and Trump reprisals) to get the law repealed. A new constitutional challenge is likely futile as well – this is not a Supreme Court that tends to let a compelling legal argument get in the way of their policy objectives.
From a reputational point of view, I’m not sure why you think users will perceive them being “in Trump’s pocket” for disregarding a Trump EO and obeying a bipartisan law that Trump doesn’t like.
Tik Tok
A tactic of mob bosses and corrupt dictators is to engage their lieutenants in criminal activity. This gives bosses and dictators leverage, namely to bring down the law on the heads of errant lieutenants. Here is a perfect example. The company that ignores the law banning tiktok is dependent on the beneficence of Trump. Thus, they are ever more willing to execute the his wishes.