You Can’t Do Mass Deportations Without Mass Domestic Surveillance And ICE Is Already Exploring Its Options
from the new-breed-of-surveillance-statists dept
ICE has never been opposed to mass surveillance. It has used everything it possibly can to locate Trump’s so-called “bad hombres” and subject them to family separation and a detainment infrastructure incapable of handling the former president’s (and now President-elect) masturbatorial fantasies about “border invasions.”
ICE buys location info from data brokers to evade warrant requirements. It slurps data from utility companies to locate immigrants who need electricity, heat, and internet connections but would rather not be hassled for trying to exist and earn a living by providing this same information directly to the US government.
The operative theory appears to be that immigrants here illegally aren’t protected by the US Constitution. But that’s simply not true. Rights are extended to people living in our borders, whether or not they’re US citizens. However, none of that is going to matter if Trump succeeds in deploying his mass deportation plans — ones that are long on rhetoric and short on actual planning at the moment.
Rest assured, the round-ups will outpace the planning following Trump’s re-ascension. ICE tends to be very proactive when it feels the person in the Oval Office has its back. “Going forward” means “starting now,” as this New Yorker article written by Ronan Farrow points out. Be sure you don’t overlook what’s being said in the last sentence of the article’s opening paragraph.
In September, the Department of Homeland Security (D.H.S.) signed a two-million-dollar contract with Paragon, an Israeli firm whose spyware product Graphite focusses on breaching encrypted-messaging applications such as Telegram and Signal. Wired first reported that the technology was acquired by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)—an agency within D.H.S. that will soon be involved in executing the Trump Administration’s promises of mass deportations and crackdowns on border crossings. A source at Paragon told me that the deal followed a vetting process, during which the company was able to demonstrate that it had robust tools to prevent other countries that purchase its spyware from hacking Americans—but that wouldn’t limit the U.S. government’s ability to target its own citizens.
Nice. So, we’re doing business with a company that will only allow the US government to target US citizens. While it’s great that it’s preventing outside countries from doing this (which is a claim I’m not inclined to believe), it’s definitely shitty that it’s offering a bespoke version to the DHS and ICE for the express purpose of plug-and-play domestic surveillance.
Then there’s the first sentence of the paragraph, which indicates this was in motion two months ahead of the election, which suggests two equally disturbing things. Either the outgoing administration was fine with expanded domestic surveillance or DHS felt it should get the ball rolling because the victor of the 2024 election was likely to be supportive of expanded domestic surveillance. Perhaps the purchasing department was just running a Trump re-election parlay. Or maybe the DHS felt pretty confident Kamala Harris wouldn’t object to mass surveillance, even while she argued against mass deportations. Not great!
The DHS may have handled the macro, but ICE jumped on the micro as soon as it became clear who was headed to the Oval Office in January.
Within hours of Trump’s election to a second term, ICE—which is still under the authority of President Biden, but which has often seemed sympathetic to Trump’s anti-immigrant rhetoric—put out a new call for private companies to submit plans for augmenting the agency’s surveillance infrastructure, including ankle monitors, and software and hardware used for tracking targets’ biometrics.
More surveillance and a shit-ton of more money for the private companies handling federal prisoners and federal detainees, some of which have already expressed their pleasure over this year’s presidential election during earnings calls.
As Farrow’s article points out, the federal government has “struggled” both in terms of oversight and accountability when it comes to expanded surveillance powers and surveillance tech rollouts. One could credibly argue you can’t call a terminal lack of interest in oversight and accountability a “struggle.” But no one can argue this turn of events — one that aligns government agencies’ thirst for expanded power with technical advances that make this sort of thing cheaper and easier than it’s ever been — is going to make America great again. It’s just going to make America something it’s really never been: you know, East Germany, the USSR, China, etc.
And we’re all going to pay the price, and not just in terms of the additional taxes that will be needed to gird the infrastructional loins of Trump’s mass deportation plans. If this moves forward, America will be the worst it’s ever been — a nation hollowed out deliberately by bigots who think the nation can only be great if nearly half of its population lives in fear of being forcibly ejected. And while that happens, tech companies that aid and abet this atrocity will make billions off the misery of millions.
Filed Under: 4th amendment, dhs, donald trump, ice, immigration, mass surveillance
Companies: paragon


Comments on “You Can’t Do Mass Deportations Without Mass Domestic Surveillance And ICE Is Already Exploring Its Options”
Oh if only...
It’s just going to make America something it’s really never been: you know, East Germany, the USSR, China, etc.
As nice as it would be were that the case this would not be the first time entire categories of people have been declared ‘rights optional’ and either dumped into camps and/or ripped from their homes and shipped out of sight, and those were just two examples I could remember off the top of my head.
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The Feds already evade warrant requirements by braking into database backendds and getting metadata that way
That is how they got Bradley/Chelsea Manning. Just break into the database backend on WikiLeaks and Julian assange wouid never know the feds were in his database
Server level databases have no logging so investigators can evade warrant requirements
Before they arrested Hal Turner they likely broke into the database backed on his site where Hal wouud have never known the Feds were there until they.showed up at his door with the warrants
That is why i use Tor and VPN combined so I cannot be traced
I don’t doubt a lot of my posts here have attracted the feds attention so I protect myself and shield my lP addressz
The feds can break in to the database and Mike will never detect the presence
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Sure you can’t~.
You should. The feds have better things to do than track some dipshit who thinks he’s Neo when he’s not even Mr. Anderson.
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“Server level databases have no logging so investigators can evade warrant requirements”
Snort
Nobody believes your bullshit.
But to help you look like less of a dumbass, “google” Database Transaction Log.
So Elon will be deported? He is an illegal immigrant.
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I imagine ‘exceptions’ will be made, though I can’t qwhite put my finger on what sort of traits might be enough to avoid deportation…
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Easy, people that have come here legally, pledge allegiance to the United States, don’t break our laws, and are contributing to society. We wouldn’t have to deport all of these people if Biden/Harris would have simply enforced the laws
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Question: Why do think people that have come here legally, pledge allegiance to the United States, don’t break our laws, and are contributing to society should be deported?
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I believe he has triple S. African / Canadian / US citizenship.
Re: Re: are we deporting illegals or not?
Elon Musk worked in US illegally in 1995 after quitting school – report
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/oct/26/elon-musk-illegal-immigration
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The Guardian lol. GTFOH with that neo-Marxist rag!
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“Any source that says something I don’t want to believe is neo-marxist! Also, I don’t actually know what neo-marxist means…”
The story was covered by the Washington Post, Newsweek, Forbes, CNN, AP News, PBS, Wired, Fox affiliates, and more. Everyone must be a neo-marxist!
Pro-tip: Corporate media isn’t marxist, neo or otherwise. They’re capitalist corporations looking to make money, not seize the means of production, dumbass.
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“They’re capitalist corporations looking to make money, not seize the means of production, dumbass.”
LMAO
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Yeah, but Elmo’s a white illegal immigrant who pumped $44 billion dollars into the US economy when he bought ExTwitter, and he’s a Trump ass-licker besides, so I don’t think the Orange Felon will want to get rid of him.
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No he’s not
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Er, yes he is. Elmo came to the US on an education visa but applied for a job instead of at a university or a vocational institution (I don’t know whether his visa was F-1 or M-1).
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Bases Already Covered
We already have IRS info for everyone who is currently employed. That’s how legitimate citizens get fined if we mess up in the slightest if we don’t fill out our tax forms correctly. Those with invalid SS info are known illegals.
Most of the remainder have their identities known from welfare payment forms. Very few have entered surreptitiously, and are neither taking benefits, nor employed, nor driving a vehicle. No additional surveillance is needed on legitimate citizens, only enforcement.
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It’s almost like you live in an alternate reality where everything you think and say are always true and the federal government are 100% right except when you disagree with them.
You know what, talk to the ICE, just tell them what you told us and ignore their laughter.
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“legitimate citizens”? What for of new fascist Nazi speak is this shit?
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Kdawg you have a severe addiction to jackboot leather. I’d say seek help but you’d just start blowing fascists in the parking lot again to own the libz.
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So you’re saying that legitimate citizens should be deported too?
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“So you’re saying that legitimate citizens should be deported too?”
But then is going to make my hamberderz?
Donald, you’re dirtier than a Hilter Dirty Sanchez.
??? How would ankle monitors be at all useful for ICE? Who would be wearing them?
The only people who would submit to wearing them would be legal immigrants, who demonstrably aren’t the problem here. ICE officers wouldn’t submit to it, illegal immigrants wouldn’t stop to be cuffed and would remove the devices if they were, and citizens supposedly have a constitution protecting them from such things.
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Ankle monitors can be jammed. The mobile data link can be jammed
As long as you are not in Texas it is not a crime to use that jammer
The instrument of crime statute in Texas makes it a crime which is unique to Texas
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FFS shut up with that crap already.
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Ankle monitors don’t use ‘mobile data links”
Jamming RF is always a federal crime.
Tampering with ankle monitors is a crime.
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Abortion clincs in California jamming GPS to foil any location data from ever being records is not illegal.
The people of California voted in a constitutional right to an abortion.
Abortion clincs are allowed under the state constitution to do what they need to protect their clientelle
In short, the he FCC cannot override the voters of California who enshrined abortion into the state conssisution.
The people of California hath. SPOKEN, and the FCC, or any other federal agency, cannot override that.
And when it comes to ankle monitors being jammed, there was a neighbor in the comples where I live some years ago who was on ankle mnonitor and was jamming.
Ankle monitors do use cellular data, and it was being jammed, along with GPS, as my GPS for my car did not work in the complex.
Combine that with another neighbor who use a jammer during dinner time to keep his kids off their cell phone Internet, even though voice calls still worked.
The guy who owned the place back then told me there was nothing he, or I, could do about the jamming that was going on at that time and that I had to live with it.
Between #3 who was jamming their ankle bracelet, and #21 who was jamming their kids cell phones at dinner, I was told by management that I had to live it and they could do nothing about it.
And there is one car dealership here who jams cell phones to keep their employees focused on their work and to enforce company Internet rules for their workers by jamming cell phones.
The boss is within their rights to do that to enforce company Internet usage policies so they are not breaking any laws jamming cell phones inside the building.
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Poppycock
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You’re full of shit son.
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I used to live at the same address as someone who wore an ankle monitor so I can tell you that it uses LAN to tie into a base station at the offender’s address, with said base station ‘phoning home’ via landline, FYI.
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Ankle monitors use radio frequency rather than LAN, actually, but you’re right on everything else.
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Yeah, I only just looked up the term “local area network” and I realized that I’d misunderstood it. Thanks for correcting me.
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You couldn’t of said it better.
So… they’ll be rounding up all the illegals who have committed crimes (and so are currently in jail), and exporting them to their “home countries”, where they may or may not be in jail.
Magical thinking, perhaps, to hope that they won’t just cross the border again illegally?
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Nothing about any of it makes sense.
And once again, by midsummer, farmers will be whining about how not good an idea it was to support such action.
But somehow prices and inflation will go down, without cheap labor, and we’ll all be better off without all that cheap labor that pays taxes but can’t vote or do much of anything else.
i guess we’d have to subsidize farmers even more, but hey that’s socialist entitlement welfare.
The ankle monitors will be great for people they will rapidly mass deport, apparently, somehow.
When do we get rid of ICE
ICE had a job, and its Over.
What I saw, was the USA paying a corp to hire people to do the JOB the Gov. could have done Cheaper and the republicans would have killed a few years back as NOT needed, anymore.
Deportations During Clinton Presidency
Bill Clinton deported 12 million during his term. No complaints then.
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Bill Clinton served two terms, by the by. And I assume that figure is the total for all eight years of his presidency instead of—as Donald Trump has promised—one whole-ass operation to take place as quickly as possible after inauguration and in as short a timeframe as is possible to find, detain, and transport millions of people out of the country.
By the by, do you think those internment camps used by the Trump administration during his first term are still in use? And how many children of immigrants—whether those children were born here or not—do you think will be separated from their parents by the government this time around?
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No he didn’t:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/16/the-numbers-ted-cruz-cited-on-past-deportations-during-the-cnn-debate-were-way-off/
“Under Clinton, there were only about 870,000 removals/deportations”
It is true that around 11 million others chose to leave without being deported. But that’s not the same thing.
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Deportations During Clinton Presidency
Interestingly, Bill Clinton deported 12,000,000 and there apparently was no ‘blowback’ in the news at the time.
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[citation needed]
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No he didn’t:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/16/the-numbers-ted-cruz-cited-on-past-deportations-during-the-cnn-debate-were-way-off/
“Under Clinton, there were only about 870,000 removals/deportations”
It is true that around 11 million others chose to leave without being deported. But that’s not the same thing.
Bith Ways
Nobody wants police state tactics. (Well, almost nobody) However, anyone in the country illegally had to know from the moment they crossed that they could be sent home at any time. I think it’s criminal to send home people who have been here most of their lives, have been raised here, or have made a life here for decades. But… The Republicans had plenty of chances for a one-time amnesty bill to sort this mess and this is what they chose instead – mess.
People who claimed asylum know they will be deported if they fail to show up at their hearing, and will have their case heard – now likely sooner rather than later.
America cannot simply admit everyone who makes it to the border. (But America needs to fix their immigration system to make it faster and simpler).
The biggest problem I see is graft. Some large donors will persuade the administration that “their illegals” need to be left alone for the benefit of the business. How will they per$uade, or rather how much? And to whom?
Meanwhile, predators and organized crime will ensure that “for a small fee” they will not report their neighbours to ICE; or perhaps will need people to do certain tasks for them to avoid being reported. People will be afraid to talk to the police about street crime because they may come to the attention of ICE, or employers will want a kickback to avoid reporting employees. And so on…
This is a problem decades in the making, ignored by both parties until it grew out of control. The solution would not be pretty no matter who does it, and how…
Future Headline
No Body Wants To Work Anymore
Dateline, everywhere.
Crops rotting in the field, waste water backup, infectious disease … what are you thankful for this holiday season?
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We’re gonna deport all the illegal criminal alien scum and there’s nothing you dumb libs can do about it!
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Hide your greys and hide your lizard people! This guy is coming for your illegal criminal aliens! No proboscis or tentacle is too small to deport! He definitely wants to probe your alien orifices. Cover all three of your butts!
Re: So, I have a few questions about that.
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A significant chunk of Trump supporters are propagandized sponges who will believe anything they’re told by the team, which is why they’re all riled up about the myth of “open borders” in the first place. But the proof of the truly evil nature of the Trump team is that they’ll cripple the nation and commit actual genocide on a group of people to satisfy the bloodlust of the illiterati, when they could, and far more easily, fake their claims of detaining, torturing, separating, and deporting undocumented immigrants and their supporters would be none the wiser. The cruelty is the point and very real even when the boogeyman they’re chasing is fake.
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I’m not sure about the first three but the last four are easy to enough to answer with a fair amount of confidence.
How does the Trump administration plan to keep legal citizens who came here as immigrants from being rounded up and deported?
They don’t, if any legal citizens get scooped up it’ll be entirely on them to prove their status before they get locked up and shipped out, and whether or not that’ll even be possible given the VP’s position of ‘If I don’t agree with the law that made their status legal it doesn’t count’…
What will the Trump administration do about the children of undocumented immigrants, regardless of whether those children were born in the U.S.?
Same thing they did the last time, lock ’em up and forget about ’em.
How does the Trump administration plan to help any businesses, especially in the agricultural sector, that will bear the biggest cost of any mass deportation?
Dead silence or ‘Now’s your chance to hire Real ‘Muricans, who I’m sure will be jumping at the chance to work for the same pay and under the same conditions as your previous workers.’
How does the Trump administration plan to handle the increase in cost to U.S. products that otherwise wouldn’t happen without both the greed of corporate executives who value profit over people and the mass deportation of undocumented immigrants?
This one’s the easiest of the lot and the one I’m most confident of getting the correct answer: Blame the democrats/non-republicans, because The Party of Personal Responsibility is never personally responsible for anything bad that happens.