EU’s Commission’s Anti-Encryption Plans On The Ropes (Again) After Rejection By The Dutch Gov’t
from the maybe-don't-send-a-thug-out-to-do-diplomacy dept
The EU Commission is the definition of insanity. It has tried for years to convince all EU members the best way to fight crime is to undermine the security and privacy of millions of EU residents. And, for years, it has failed to make an argument capable of convincing a majority of the 27 European Union countries that this especially drastic, incredibly dangerous proposal is necessary.
Those pushing for encryption backdoors (that they dishonestly won’t call encryption backdoors) have leveraged all the usual hot buttons: terrorism, drug trafficking, national security, child sexual abuse material. But once anyone reads past the introductory hysteria, they tend to see it for what it is: a way to create massive government-mandated security flaws that would negatively affect their constituents and, ironically enough, their own national security.
The Commission keeps pushing, though. And it has no reason to stop. After all, it’s not playing with its own money and it rarely, if ever, seems to actually care what most Europeans think about this proposal. But to get it passed it does need a majority. So far, it hasn’t even managed to talk most members of the EU Parliament into giving broken-by-mandate encryption a thumbs up, much less at least 14 of the 27 governments that make up the EU Council.
The desperation of the would-be encryption banners is evident. If the EU Commission thought it had the upper hand in anti-encryption negotiations, it never would have sent out the EU’s Donald Trump to convince fence-sitters to side with the encryption breakers. This is from activist group EDRi’s (European Digital Rights) report on the latest failure of the EU Commission to secure some much-needed support for its “chat control” (a.k.a. client-side scanning) efforts.
In summer 2024, the government of Hungary became the fifth country to be given the unenviable task of attempting to broker a common position of the Council of the EU on this ill-fated law. The European Commission has long been trying to convince Member State governments that the proposed Regulation is legally sound (it isn’t), would protect encryption (it wouldn’t) and that reliable technologies already exist (they don’t).
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According to Politico and to local reports, notorious Hungarian Prime Minister, Viktor Orbán, pulled out all the stops to try and convince the Netherlands to support the latest text. And in the last few days, he came worryingly close to succeeding.
Orban, last seen at Techdirt manipulating emergency powers rolled out during the pandemic to arrest people who called him things like “dear dictator” and “cruel tyrant” on social media, is one of an unfortunate number of European leaders to hold “conservative” views. (You know which ones.) He’s a nationalist, which is a polite way of calling him a bigot. And, of course, our own would-be “dear dictator” thinks he’s one of the greatest guys in Europe.
Here’s why Trump thinks he’s so great. It’s also why Orban might think forcing companies to break end-to-end encryption might be a good idea.
Orbán, who has turned into a hero of Trump’s followers and other conservative populists, is known for his restrictions on immigration and LGBTQ+ rights. He’s also cracked down on the press and judiciary in his country while maintain a close relationship with Russia.
You can’t make human rights violation omelets without breaking a few encryptions, as they say. There are several self-serving reasons why Orban would support the notion of “chat control.” And very few of them have anything to do with fighting crime, combating terrorism, or stopping the spread of CSAM.
And that’s exactly why he should have been the last choice to soft-sell continent-wide undermining of encryption. But, as EDRi notes, it almost worked in the Netherlands. If the near-success of Orban’s sales tactics is surprising, it’s not nearly as surprising as the entities that showed up to push the Dutch government away from agreeing to the Commission’s “chat control” proposal.
On 1 October, following significant mobilisation from civil society, including EDRi member Bits of Freedom and national opposition politicians, the news broke that the Netherlands would officially abstain from the proposal. This is a welcome development, because it means that Hungary does not have a majority to move forward with their proposal, instead having to remove the CSA Regulation from an upcoming Council agenda.
One of the most interesting parts of the Netherlands’ will-they-won’t-they saga, however, is the fact that one decisive element seems to be an opinion of the national security service. Dutch spooks warned their government that the latest proposal would threaten the cybersecurity of the country, putting national security at risk. This is a warning that should resonate with other countries, too.
When the people who would have the most to gain from pervasive disruption of encrypted services tell you there’s also a downside, that means something. It’s one thing for rights groups to say it. It’s quite another when the spies say the negatives would outweigh the positives.
While one might think that the last ditch effort that briefly converted an aspiring autocrat into a EU salesperson might signal the end of the line for “chat control”/client-side scanning/encryption bans, hope seems to spring eternal at the Commission. A new Commission will be in place by the end of the year and we can expect several of the new members will be just as desirous of breaking encryption as their predecessors, no matter how many times (and by how many countries) they’ve been told “no.”
Filed Under: chat control, client side scanning, encryption, encryption backdoors, encryption bans, eu commision, eu council


Comments on “EU’s Commission’s Anti-Encryption Plans On The Ropes (Again) After Rejection By The Dutch Gov’t”
Another EU presidency, another round of chat control, another failed attempt to push it through.
A surprise, but welcome nonetheless. I almost thought for certain it’d get past the council this time.
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let’s just see if it fails next year
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We’ve got 3 different points where this thing can die.
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also is the new eu president a good one?
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Poland, Denmark, Cyprus, Ireland hold the Presidency, in that order, through 2025 and 2026, starting 1 January.
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Poland is against CC, so we should possibly(?) see a break from it.
My country (Denmark) unfortunately currently has its main, ruling party for it. Though I think the other parties are in disagreement.
Cyprus I have no idea on.
Ireland is for it, I think.
Republicans love Orban
Not only does Trump (and Tucker) constantly talk about how great Orban is, but the influential, policy-setting group within the Republican Party — CPAC — had their big meeting in Hungary this year. Can you imagine the outcry if Dems held something like that in a foreign country?
Also, wanna know who China’s best friend in the EU is? That’s right: It’s Orban in Hungary, who’s been fellating China for the past few years almost as hard as Trump fellates Putin.
Funny how little press all this gets.
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didn’t putin wanted Republicans to be thrown in the gulag for supporting him too much
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Orbán is kind of the anti-Soros.
Seems people are freaking out on reddit about the scheduled council meeting regarding it on October 10th.
Is this article still relevant or outdated? Cause I really wanna know if I can rest soundly or not for the next few days.
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Like, is this thing down for the count or not? Should I not be considering reddit posts reliable for figuring this out? I’m so confused.
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I dont always trust reddit for this
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This is what I have heard:
9 October 2024: COREPER discussion and possibly adoption of mandatory chat control 2.0
10 October 2024: EU interior ministers scheduled to adopt mandatory chat control (chat control 2.0) position
Right now there seems to be a razor tin blocking minority last time I checked but that could change in the next 42 hours.
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Not at all happy with the numbers of that blocking minority. Should be up at a good 10% or so before I’d be happy.
If you've done nothing wrong then open those blinds
‘Look, I don’t get what the problem is! All we’re demanding is that cameras be mandatory for every bedroom in every EU country for the sake of National Security, it’s not like we’ll be watching all those cameras 24/7, or that anyone else might get access to watch as well!’
One thing I should mention is that the person behind Chat Control, Ylva Johansson will not be in the EU commission next year so it could make it a bit tougher for the commission to ram Chat Control through next year.
Of course Johansson was the one who kept pushing Chat Control through over the last few years in disguise of “think of the children” crap plus she didn’t listen to experts instead listening to groups like Thorn.
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There’s gonna be a meeting on chat control on the 10th supposedly. Think that still holds true after the Netherlands’ decision?
Cause right now I’m getting pretty conflicting takes on the situation, with one side saying it’s dead for now while the other signals imminant danger.
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If they dont get the majority to agree on it they cant pass it
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Right now there seems to be a razor tin blocking minority but that could change in the next 42 hours.
Even if there an agreement somehow it would have to go to trilogue negotiations and that would take a while.
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Likely. The parliament hasn’t been a particular fan of the proposal so far, and the elections haven’t seemed to change that stance either.
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Let’s hope it does and that minority becomes the majority.
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This is what I have heard:
9 October 2024: COREPER discussion and possibly adoption of mandatory chat control 2.0
10 October 2024: EU interior ministers scheduled to adopt mandatory chat control (chat control 2.0) position
Right now there seems to be a razor tin blocking minority last time I checked but that could change in the next 42 hours.
Best thing we can all do is So take action:
https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/take-action-to-stop-chat-control-now/
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According to this and Edri chat control’s basically dead for the time being thanks to the Netherlands. I do trust them but I’m struggling with slotting it into everything else about chat control’s happenings right now.
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I’m cautiously optimistic but worried that something will happen at the last min.
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So am I man, so the fuck am I.
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Why do you trust reddit tho?
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Lots of perspectives and live updates on the news.
Unfortunately the vast majority of redditors are horribly pessimistic.
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“Unfortunately the vast majority of redditors are horribly pessimistic.”
which leads to doom posting
They’re still trying, and it’s debatable how much the Dutch saying ‘no’ did: https://digitalcourage.social/@echo_pbreyer/113239648638658638
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Right now there seems to be a razor tin blocking minority
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It’s bloody confusing because they’re celebrating like it’s been delayed but also warning that it’ll be talked about again imminently.
I yearn for the day where this proposal goes under for good.
Still unsure if it may get adopted on the 10th this month, but it looks like that’s just been turned into a much less significant discussion instead, in light of the Netherlands decision.
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“Still unsure if it may get adopted on the 10th this month, but it looks like that’s just been turned into a much less significant discussion instead, in light of the Netherlands decision”
the only reason there saying it may get adopted is cuase some redditors who are doom posting said this don’t take anything they say as truth since all there doing is posting doomerism