Appeals Court Tells State Of Florida It Still Can’t Enforce Its Unconstitutional Anti-Drag Show Law
from the still-in-the-wrong,-Florida dept
Florida’s legislative bigots have already been told twice. I guess they need to hear a third time.
The state passed a law that outlawed drag shows, resulting in it being sued by a venue that often hosted drag shows, Hamburger Mary’s. The lawsuit claimed the new law violated several rights, first and foremost being the First.
The district court agreed. It granted an injunction to Hamburger Mary in June, blocking the law from being enforced while the court sorted out the (un)constitutionality. The state tried to argue this wasn’t about protected speech, but rather just a modification of an existing obscenity law that had never been found unconstitutional. The court disagreed, using the government’s own words against it.
The state claims that this statute seeks to protect children generally from obscene live performances. However, as explained infra, Florida already has statutes that provide such protection. Rather, this statute is specifically designed to suppress the speech of drag queen performers. In the words of the bill’s sponsor in the House, State Representative Randy Fine: “…HB 1423…will protect our children by ending the gateway propaganda to this evil — ‘Drag Queen Story Time.’ ”
Since the law was plainly aimed at suppressing a very particular form of speech, the court said the state couldn’t use it against anyone. The state immediately tried to enforce it. Or, at least, it tried to talk the court into letting it enforce it against anyone who wasn’t this specific plaintiff.
Again, the government lost. The court said the injunction applied to the law, not to the entity seeking the injunction. Any attempt to enforce it against anyone in the state of Florida would be a violation of the injunction. The court shot down the state’s terrible arguments with this paragraph:
Defendant has presented no evidence or compelling argument that she will suffer irreparable harm. Instead, she baldly proclaims that Florida “suffers a form of irreparable injury” any time it is enjoined from enforcing one of its statutes. See id. (quoting Maryland v. King, 567 U.S. 1301, 1303 (2012)) In Maryland, however, the Supreme Court’s statement was supported by evidence of ongoing, concrete harm to law enforcement and public safety. Defendant has presented no such support here. Her position that the state suffers irreparable harm any time it is enjoined from enforcing one of its statutes defies common sense and is not supported by any meaningful precedent.
Not willing to be deterred by successive losses, the state immediately appealed the injunction, asking the Eleventh Circuit Appeals Court to temporarily stay the injunction until the case was fully settled.
Ron DeSantis’ government is now a three-time loser. The Eleventh Circuit ruling [PDF] says the injunction stays in place for all the reasons listed by the lower court as well as a few of its own assertions and affirmations.
Once again, the state (represented here by Secretary of the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation Melanie Griffin) is asking to be allowed to enforce this law against anyone but Hamburger Mary’s. And, once again, Griffin and the government she represents are being told, “No.” The law is simply too bad to be allowed to be enforced.
The problem for Secretary Griffin is that statutes which are unconstitutionally overbroad are “properly subject to facial attack.” Secretary of State of Md. v. Joseph H. Munro, Inc., 467 U.S. 947, 968 (1984) (rejecting argument that state statute found to be overbroad should not “str[uck] down on its face”). As a result, a successful overbreadth challenge “suffices to invalidate all enforcement of th[e] law ‘until and unless a limiting construction or partial invalidation so narrows it as to remove the threat or deterrence to constitutionally protected expression.’” Virginia v. Hicks, 539 U.S. 113, 119 (2003) (emphasis in original) (quoting Broadrick v. Oklahoma, 413 U.S. 601, 613 (1973)). The Supreme Court has “provided this expansive remedy out of concern that the threat of enforcement of an overbroad law may deter or ‘chill’ constitutionally protected speech—specially when the overbroad statute imposes criminal sanctions.”
That’s just the law of the land, Melanie. You know, the First Amendment and several decades of Supreme Court precedent. Protecting free speech is something the entire government is supposed to do, not just the federal judiciary.
And Griffin seemingly knows this. The appeal brief contains the state’s acceptance of the lower court’s take on the law that led to it issuing an injunction. And yet, the state still thinks these determinations should only apply to the entity suing it, not others in the state similarly situated. If the state is going to make that much of a concession, it boggles the mind to think it still has any legal footing to ask for even a partial lifting of the injunction.
To recap, the district court concluded that § 827.11 was likely overbroad and unconstitutional under the First Amendment, and Secretary Griffin does not take issue with that ruling in her motion for a partial stay. Given Supreme Court cases like Ashcroft and Eleventh Circuit cases like FF Cosmetics—which have affirmed preliminary injunctions barring enforcement of a statute or ordinance which is likely overbroad—Secretary Griffin has not made a substantial showing that the district court erred in crafting the preliminary injunction to prohibit her from enforcing § 827.11.
About as open-shut as it gets. There’s a dissent attached, though. It’s written by Judge Andrew Brasher, a Trump nominee who only had six months of federal court experience before being handed a job at the Appeals Court. As is to be expected, Brasher is no fan of equal rights or people who aren’t as white/straight as he is.
His dissent ridiculously asserts a state should be allowed to enforce a “facially unconstitutional” law simply because the plaintiff in the case admitted its own harms would be remedied if (duh) the law was never enforced against it. Apparently Brasher believes the rest of the state should be subjected to an unconstitutional law and the harms it causes up until the point those affected by an unlawful law decide to start suing about it. It’s an insane argument and one only a guy who doesn’t like drag shows or drag show performers could whip up to tack onto a straightforward ruling the states the obvious: a likely unconstitutional law can’t be enforced against anyone because it’s (double duh) unconstitutional.
Fortunately, that’s just the dissent. The injunction stays in place and the lower court’s ruling is kept intact. At the end of this, the Florida legislature will either need to scrap the law entirely or come up with a far more creative way to oppress people certain legislators just don’t care for.
Filed Under: 11th circuit, 1st amendment, drag shows, florida, free speech, hb 1423


Comments on “Appeals Court Tells State Of Florida It Still Can’t Enforce Its Unconstitutional Anti-Drag Show Law”
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Suppressing the performances of degenerate “drag” performers is right and just.
Even better would be putting them into concentration camps like the Germans did. Now /that/ was a well-ordered society that didn’t seek to indoctrinate children with queer ideas!
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hi revenge porn enjoyer
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In a well ordered Nazi society, you would be a body to kept alive only as long as you were useful to the elite ruling it.
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And? (I’m sure I would be eminently useful to the regime, unlike most of you communists here!)
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While you are an idiot, nobody would call you useful.
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If I were you, I’d recall that the Nazis ended up dying in jail, executed, or living in exile, hiding like like the cowards they were.
Just like the Confederacy in the US, despite the nostalgia, they both fucking lost.
But hey, as long as you’re proud of how you feel, you’ll make yourself easy to identify.
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Doubtful, considering all you can do is impotently write ineffectual posts on the web. You’d be one of the first up against the wall.
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Until you fail to be useful.
Then, well, as soon as the undesirables are gone, ie, the rest of us, you’ll be next in the unmarked graves.
Plenty of high-ranking Nazis did find that out the hard way. Rommel famously poisoned himself.
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And rightly so. He conspired against the Führer, and the plot failed. One might imagine Rommel even considered himself lucky, given that his family was spared liquidation.
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*checks notes
If I remember correctly, Rommel was merely implicated in the plot. And, despite being a fierce critic of Hitler’s military endeavors (by 1944, Rommel used Hitler to climb the ranks and was still a somewhat firm believer in the Nazi cause) AND of increasingly less usefulness, Rommel still enjoyed enough popular support that even Hitler himself did not want to publicly trial Rommel.
Which, unfortunately, detracts from my point. Which was, there’s no such thing as indispensible when a totalitarian/fascist government is in charge. Eventually the leopards will come for your face.
Re: Re: Re:4 'X was blamed for all my woes but X is gone and my life still sucks...'
I feel pretty confident in saying that any system that has ‘find a scapegoat to blame for all your problems’ as one of it’s core pillars will always inevitably turn on it’s own unless it can come up with an endless source of outside targets to blame, given the alternative would require it’s members to accept that they and/or the ones they have been supporting might be the source of their problems.
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To wit: The Speaker situation in the House of Representatives. Sure, a Republican (successfully) led the charge to oust another Republican from the position. And yes, the Republicans are slowly tearing each other apart in their attempts to fill the position they moved to vacate. But somehow it’s the fault of Democrats for not voting in a way that saved the leopards from eating their own faces.
Re: Re: Re:6 'How dare the democrats not do something we'd oust one of our own for!'
Oh but how I would love it if the next time they tried that glaringly obvious attempt at shifting the blame the person interviewing them asked flat out when it became the job of the democrats to step in and be the adults in the room whenever the republicans are throwing a tantrum and fighting amongst themselves.
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It kind of already happened.
Re: Re: Re:8 'It's not our fault, it's never our fault, they made us do it!'
Would have been nice if she’d held his feet to the fire by asking what the democrats should have done after a republican put forth the vote to oust one of their own(I’m aware that shortly after that she points out that it was indeed a republican that put forth the vote) but even without that watching him desperately try to pin the current mess on democrats even after admitting that republicans have the majority and therefore could replace the speaker if they could stop fighting amongst themselves is a delightful mix of pathetic and hilarious.
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…said no human, ever.
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Y’all are just giving this troll what he wants: attention. He’s obviously too sexually repressed to even look down between his legs, so he gets off on riling others up instead. Just report and move on. The replies are what drives this clown.
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“well-ordered society that didn’t seek to indoctrinate children”
How the Hitler Youth Turned a Generation of Kids Into Nazis
https://www.history.com/news/how-the-hitler-youth-turned-a-generation-of-kids-into-nazis
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Why would you selectively edit my comment, coward?
I said the Nazis didn’t “indoctrinate children with queer ideas.”
That they indoctrinated them to hate communists and other degenerate subversives can only be regarded as a good thing.
That said, when the war was militarily lost, it would’ve been better for a rapid surrender to have occurred in the west, so that those fanatical Hitler Youth troops could’ve been repurposed to oppose Soviet communism. Poor lads were lost to us…
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“I said the Nazis didn’t “indoctrinate children with queer ideas.””
Yup, I saw that and replied accordingly.
To summarize your position; indoctrination is ok as long as it omits sexual orientation topics – how lame is that.
“Why would you selectively edit my comment, coward?”
Because it gets to the point of your comment.
You can put lipstick on a pig, but it remains a pig – right?
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Today I learnt:
Quoting part of a comment counts as editing a comment.
When there’s no option to edit comments.
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The original meaning of the word ‘queer’ is strange. If you don’t understand how modern minds can find Hitler’s ideas (and the ideas of other Nazis, such as Josef Mengele) strange, that says everything anyone needs to know about you.
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The point is that that doesn’t mean that they were any better.
No, it can very well be regarded as a bad thing. Indoctrinating children to hate human beings is a very bad thing. You just lack any imagination to fathom how one could think otherwise.
Also, how are Jews, gays, and Romas “degenerate subversives”? Heck, how are communists “degenerate subversives”? Communism is not a good idea, and communist regimes are quite oppressive (just like fascist ones), but I wouldn’t call advocates for communism “degenerate” or “subversive”.
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No, in order to avoid indoctrinating children with any ideas, the Nazis simply murdered them. So much for your idea of ‘protecting the children’, Mrs. Lovejoy.
I’m grateful that at least a few people in a government role aren’t willing to shred the First Amendment for the sake of silencing/attacking speech that is, at a bare minimum, queer-adjacent. I wish there were more of them, though.
Never forget
Regardless of the nonsensical/dangerous crap they try to enact, they don’t have to win a single case to get the result they really want – and that is to get VOTES.
I love how people think you can pass a law to hurt people you don’t like, tell everyone you’re doing it to hurt people you don’t like, campaign on the law hurting people you don’t like, and then expect the courts to just ignore all of that because you tell it “we’re not going to hurt the people said we were going to hurt.”
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and then act all shocked and dismayed when told that those who you hate do not like you
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It makes a lot more sense if you see it as a PR stunt to play to bigot voters where having it upheld in court would be a bonus but isn’t the goal.
Through that lens constantly talking up how much it’s supposed to hurt The Others makes perfect sense, with it being slapped down in court just used as more ‘evidence’ of how ‘liberal’ the courts have become and how vital it is to vote ‘real'(read: bigot conservatives) ‘muricans into office.
Drag shows
I don’t know what drag shows these people have seen, but the ones I have were, at worst, a bit risque. Nothing even close to being obscene or something I wouldn’t take my 10-year-old to see. Basically just a bunch of guys doing cosplay and mimeing to songs. I’m sure there are probably some extremely raunchy shows somewhere, but that’s not the norm.
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It is more a case of what the do not understand or like is to be destroyed. They have no tolerance for anybody who thinks or acts differently to them. Also, I do not think they realize that the society they are working towards will make the feudal system look like a bastion of freedom.
Qualified immunity for laws
Even when the law has been shown to be unconstitutional when applied to a particular person, it remains applicable to other persons.
That’s the kind of crooked wet dream that it pays to be friend with benefits to a Supreme Court Justice.
Did you mean to write “ruling that” instead of “ruling the”?
The rulings aren't the point
The point of this lawsuit isn’t to win. In fact, I’d say the opposite is true: the lawyers know the law hoes against the first amendment.
But the whole point is to make a show about how they’re for “family values” or “Christian values” and drag shows are just the latest targets. And if the lawyers lose (which they are), they just go to their right-wing base and said they tried, but those radical left wing liberal judges just don’t support family values.
Then the entire right-wing base gets upset about left wing liberals and no one talks about how drag shows are an artistic expression protected by the first amendment.
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And then these assholes start shooting up drag shows.
Jan 6 happened. It’s a given these assholes will enact violence again. It is only a matter of when and where.
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But the whole point is to make a show about how they’re for “family values” or “Christian values” and drag shows are just the latest targets.
And in the process saying the quiet part out loud and making clear just what ‘family values’ and/or ‘christian values’ actually mean when used in politics, for anyone who’s been living under a rock the past few decades and might still think those are good things worth supporting.
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That is, insurrection, treason and the reestablishment of the Confederate States of America, but with mass graves on top of slavery.
Christian values, indeed. After all, Jesus was charged with a form of insurrection towards the Roman Empire and was treated as was fitting for insurrectionists of his time…
Shame the process of crucifixition means we need to make a lot of crosses…