Death Of A Forum: How The UK’s Online Safety Act Is Killing Communities
We’ve been warning for years that the UK’s Online Safety Act would be a disaster for the open internet. Its supporters accused us of exaggerating, or “shilling” for Big Tech. But as we’ve long argued, while tech giants like Facebook and Google might be able to shoulder the law’s immense regulatory burdens, smaller sites would crumble.
Well, it’s already happening.
On Monday, the London Fixed Gear and Single-Speed (LFGSS) online forum announced that it would be shutting down the day before the Online Safety Act goes into effect. It noted that it is effectively impossible to comply with the law. This was in response to UK regulator Ofcom telling online businesses that they need to start complying.
This includes registering a “senior person” with Ofcom who will be held accountable should Ofcom decide your site isn’t safe enough. It also means that moderation teams need to be fully staffed with quick response times if bad (loosely defined) content is found on the site. On top of that, sites need to take proactive measures to protect children.
While all of this may make sense for larger sites, it’s impossible for a small one-person passion project forum for bikers in London. For a small, community-driven forum, these requirements are not just burdensome, but existential.
LFGSS points out that the rules are designed for big companies, not small forums, even as it’s likely covered by the law:
we’re done… we fall firmly into scope, and I have no way to dodge it. The act is too broad, and it doesn’t matter that there’s never been an instance of any of the proclaimed things that this act protects adults, children and vulnerable people from… the very broad language and the fact that I’m based in the UK means we’re covered.
The act simply does not care that this site and platform is run by an individual, and that I do so philanthropically without any profit motive (typically losing money), nor that the site exists to reduce social loneliness, reduce suicide rates, help build meaningful communities that enrich life.
The act only cares that is it “linked to the UK” (by me being involved as a UK native and resident, by you being a UK based user), and that users can talk to other users… that’s it, that’s the scope.
I can’t afford what is likely tens of thousand to go through all the legal hoops here over a prolonged period of time, the site itself barely gets a few hundred in donations each month and costs a little more to run… this is not a venture that can afford compliance costs… and if we did, what remains is a disproportionately high personal liability for me, and one that could easily be weaponised by disgruntled people who are banned for their egregious behaviour (in the years running fora I’ve been signed up to porn sites, stalked IRL and online, subject to death threats, had fake copyright takedown notices, an attempt to delete the domain name with ICANN… all from those whom I’ve moderated to protect community members)… I do not see an alternative to shuttering it.
The conclusion I have to make is that we’re done… Microcosm, LFGSS, the many other communities running on this platform… the risk to me personally is too high, and so I will need to shutter them all.
But it’s not just the LFGSS that’s shutting down, but also Microcosm, the open source forum platform underlying LFGSS which was apparently created by the same individual and offered similar local community forums for others beyond just the London biking community.
Apparently, Microcosm is hosting approximately 300 small communities, all of which will either shut down or have to migrate within three months. The developer behind all of this seems understandably devastated:
It’s been a good run, I’ve administered internet forums since 1996 having first written my own in Perl to help fans of music bands to connect with each other, and I then contributed to PHP forum software like vBulletin, Vanilla, and phpBB, before finally writing a platform in Go that made it cost efficient enough to bring interest based communities to so many others, and expand the social good that comes from people being connected to people.
Approximately 28 years and 9 months of providing almost 500 forums in total to what is likely a half a million people in that time frame… the impact that these forums have had on the lives of so many cannot be understated.
The peak of the forums has been the last 5 years, we’ve plateaued around 275k monthly users across the almost 300 websites on multiple instances of the platform that is Microcosm, though LFGSS as a single community probably peaked in the 2013-2018 time period when it alone was hitting numbers in excess of 50k monthly users.
The forums have delivered marriages, births, support for those who have passed (cancer being the biggest reason), people reunited with stolen bikes, travel support, work support, so much joy and happiness and memorable experiences… but it’s also been directly cited by many as being the reason that they are here today, the reason they didn’t commit suicide or self-harm. It’s help people get through awful relationship breakups, and helped people overcome incredible challenges with their health.
It’s devastating to just… turn it off… but this is what the Act forces a sole individual running so many social websites for a public good to do.
This is why we’ve spent years warning people. When you regulate the internet as if it’s all just Facebook, all that will be left is Facebook.
Policymakers have repeatedly brushed off warnings about these consequences, insisting that concerns are overblown or merely fear-mongering from big tech companies looking to avoid regulation. But it’s not. And we’re seeing the impact already.
The promise of the internet was supposed to be that it allowed anyone to set up whatever they wanted online, whether it’s a blog or a small forum. The UK has decided that the only forums that should remain online are those run by the largest companies in the world.
Some might still argue that this law is “making the internet safer,” but it sure seems to be destroying smaller online communities that many people relied on.
It may be too late for the UK, but one would hope that other countries (and states) realize this and step back from the ledge of passing similar legislation.
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Comments on “Death Of A Forum: How The UK’s Online Safety Act Is Killing Communities”
It may be too late for the UK, but one would hope that other countries (and states) realize this and step back from the ledge of passing similar legislation.
Sadly, that’s doubtful.
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Wanna know why?
“…and while some of them are much larger companies with much greater resources, they all have their breaking point somewhere. I worry that, unless the tide turns soon, the Internet I fell in love with may cease to exist, and in its place, we will have something closer to a souped-up version of TV – focused largely on passive consumption, with much less opportunity for active participation and genuine human connection. “
-Leif K-Brooks
Now, I doubt it’s what they’re intending, but…🤷
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so you’re basically saying the uk wants the internet to be like tv for uk users
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Not just the uk, the world.
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oh that’s worse
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It should be taken with a grain of salt, though.
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when i read the act it said it only affected uk users sooooo
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The UK government wanted this to be world leading legislation. It is intended to apply to any service that even a single British person can access (even if the service attempts to block all UK residents). How that is practically enforced is anyone’s guess. I doubt Ofcom will try. But they do have the power to block non-conforming websites. Ofcom have too much power & responsibility. They already cover TV, radio & the postal system. Now this as well. A Ministry of Truth.
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ok troll name called mike
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ok mikep1984 troll name
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Thing is the UK is still under the ECHR so there will be alot of Judicial review and legal challenges to this while there huge backlash from the public
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Funnily enough, I seriously doubt that. After all, the so-called EHCR has already shown that it doesn’t give a flying fuck about human rights.
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ECHR (European Court of Human Rights), not EHCR.
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That change protects women. It’s common sense.
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It protects cisgender women only and in a way that attempts to shield them from the reality that trans people have rights too, so it doesn’t protect women at all.
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Yes, pretty much. I think the whole point of the law is to impose broafcast-style regulation on the internet. Why else give Ofcom (our media & communication regulator) responsibility?
It is not a surprise the government would want to tightly regulate an allegedly ungoverned online space, as it has form in the past. Historically, Great Britain (contrary to popular belief) hasn’t been a beacon of free speech. I think the Americans implementing the First Amendment speaks volumes in that regard.
Whenever a means of spreading ideas has become popular, it has been subject to tight regulation. We had seditious libel in the 18th century to stop revolutionary speech. We had heavy newspaper taxes in the 19th century to stop the spread of cheap newspapers. Theatre censorship was active from 1737 to 1968 under the Lord Chamberlain.
Radios (even crystal sets & car radios) required a licence until 1971. Pirate radio stations (despite being listened to by 23 million people) were criminalised.
So the OSA is on form for the UK.
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Note that some countries (like the uk) were formed before the constitution.
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the user has a doom post name
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Claimed the user with the exact same name. I see you, hypocrite.
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So UK decide to follow Russia’s lead in regulation of Internet? (same, ‘it’s for chilren, you should trust us, we don’t do wrong but don’t forget to provide hostages’ ideas).
I would prefer it in reverse.
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Good news it looks like news about this is picking up alot of steam so I hope the UK gov and Ofcom panic and backtrack when it backfires hard, I think there will be alot of Judicial review and legal challenges to this while there huge backlash from the public when sites start blocking the UK leading to the UK gov backtracking hard and bringing the law more in line with the EU DSA and getting rid of the AV parts but there going to be ton of damage.
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I don’t see them backtracking though.
Unless it affects SportsBall, then it can happen.
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i wonder how long until someone challenges this law
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Beats me.
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The odds of that are … not good. Most organizations with the cash to throw at the problem can handle the extra liability, and the harm to smaller, more consumer focused competitors might be more valuable to them.
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even big corps has a breaking point so don’t really say that
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It’s very likely to be challenge in court seeing it clearly goes against the ECHR and groups like the open rights group will likely challenge it soon.
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Except that the so-called EHRC has already shown that it doesn’t give a flying fuck about human rights.
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again, wrong acronym.
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So EHRC doesn’t stand for Equality and Human Rights Commission? News to me.
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It does, but the acronym being referenced is ECHR – European Court of Human Rights.
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The article already points out the EHRC are not the same as the ECHR.
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Won’t happen. At least not in the UK.
British people are quite spineless and will just adopt the approach of “It sucks, but what can you do?”
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Try Stella Creasy MP. She’s very interested in Internet issues. https://members.parliament.uk/member/4088/contact
“Some might still argue that this law is “making the internet safer,” but it sure seems to be destroying smaller online communities that many people relied on.”
I saw some quote from one of the politicians (or Ofcom representative, I forget) who were in favor of the bill that claimed that not even ‘unsupervised adults’ should be allowed to use the internet as it currently is, so… yeah. That’s probably the point.
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yep sadly the uk users are gonna suffer now
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Considering the people in the UK are more than happy to give up their rights and freedoms for the illusion of safety, they totally deserve it.
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We get the government we deserve.
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Internet can’t be dangerous if there’s no internet.
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“Internet can’t be dangerous if there’s no internet,” said the UK politicians that supported this law before wrapping their heads in aluminum foil.
In the US, passing this would raise constitutional challenges, and even the current SCOTUS isn’t on board with this nonsense. Even the House GOP leadership is aware that passing KOSA would be a bad thing for them the moment a Democratic administration came into power.
Here’s hoping our luck on that front continues.
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hoping otherwise the internets been a good run
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Stop saying that.
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This law also likely goes against the ECHR that the UK apart of.
That where the EU DMA, applied to limited to a specific set of gatekeepers, is some better approach. They’ve certainly quickly realized that ruling the whole internet is not possible nor wanted, and be able to comply with dozen of dense laws should be reserved to structures that have the money to do so. Because adding so much laws on an already complex internet is clearly doing more harm than good.
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A dynamic regulation is by far the best regulation when you’re dealing with something as “alive” and diverse as the internet.
Anything else will render the internet squarely whatever your flawed legislation dubs it as.
Up next: move the goalposts
I’m sure that when presented with these forums shutting down, defenders of the act will move the goalposts from “this won’t cause small communities to go away” to “community owners are overreacting and are shutting them down unnecessarily parenthesis-because-they’re-just-being-mean-to-me-in-order-to-prove-a-point-not-because-there’s-any-actual-risk-end-parenthesis”.
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I am in total agreement with the Uk lawmakers here. Online forums are a scourge to this earth.
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Then it sounds like you don’t understand why online forums exist.
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You meant, like this one? I may be wrong but this law technically applies to Techdirt’s comments section too (if there are enough users from UK).
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I’ve already seen that very point suggested in the newspaper comments sections.
Out of curiosity, wouldn’t it be possible for those sites to be hosted in, for example, the U.S., which would be beyond UK nonsense? I stepped away from the hosting business 25 years ago and have not a clue about current options or costs. AWS? Bluesky? One of the distributed hosting arrangements that I don’t understand?
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If I remember right one of the clauses is that you fall under the OSA if you have a ‘significant amount of UK users’, which I am assuming is worded that way so that it can be applied at will. Honestly, as it looks they’d probably say your site falls under the OSA even if you actively blocked IPs from the UK, somehow.
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“even if you actively blocked IPs from the UK,” that’s stupid
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If they’re accessible to Brits then they’d still be covered by these laws. Doesn’t matter where you are.
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nice troll name bro
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Covered in name only. A law is only as good as its enforcement and the Brits have no enforcement mechanism over sites hosted in the United States by U.S citizens.
This is basically the exact kind of scenario I feared to happen to the internet globally one day in the future.
Granted, it’s good that news media are picking up on this. If lawmakers won’t listen to experts, maybe they’ll listen to the consequences of their actions instead.
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Unfortunately, I don’t think so.
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Then it’s a goodbye for the internet in the future.
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The internet doesn’t & will never die, it will adapt.
It’s unfortunate that small local sites will close, and I **feel”” Ofcom obviously may make a exception for them.
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True. To correct myself: The CURRENT internet might die one day. But it’d be next to impossible to truly turn it into glorified television.
And that’s not getting into decentralized platforms, alternate internets as a whole, et cetera..
It’d just hurt losing so much of what is here now, though.
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Tbf, the current internet and/or decentralized platforms won’t die too.
“But it’d be next to impossible to truly turn it into glorified television.
And that’s not getting into decentralized platforms, alternate internets as a whole, et cetera..
It’d just hurt losing so much of what is here now, though.”
It evolves. It may get different over time, but it will remain the same.
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Will it really remain the same if we lose all the small forums and websites?
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Obviously, not everyone goes to a small website and/or forum.
So….🤷
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Then a significant portion of the internet as we know it will in fact die.
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Ehh, I doubt it would be significant, as there’s bigger forums then this.
Then again, who knows? 🤷
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How would new forums even start if they can’t exist as small forums at first?
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Discord.
Plain and simple.
Of course, if not, there’s Usenet.
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These are stupid “options”.
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Well, do you have anything?
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Sora isn’t being launched by OpenAI in the UK & the EU due to laws like the DSA.
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No, just small sites. As always, the targets of this legislation, Big Tech, has plenty enough funding to survive beyond its eventual repeal.
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Very likely they will.
They should have made an exception for forums run by non profits and forums members under say 100k users but politicans don’t care or else they only talk to big tech company’s or company’s who can afford pr and donate to politicians. The same thing can happen in the USA as small forums and nonprofits close
as they can’t to employ mods or legal reps if they have to deal with kosa regulations
The whole point of the web is to provide a voice for everyone not just meta or big tech
Small forums dont make a profit but they provide a forum for small minoritys and all kinds of groups including LGBT minoritys
that provide support and advice to young people
This is a red light warning
To America it could happen to small non profit groups in USA too
We have already seen police arrest people in the UK just for making political statements
Free speech on the web is as important as the right to protest and discuss politics and other subjects
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British governments have traditionally like dealing with a few big organisations, not lots of small ones. So the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many.
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hello newly made account
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This was made in 2021, though
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then why did they only comment on this article tho
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https://www.techdirt.com/user/mikep1984/
Think again.
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so you’re going to agree with a doom poster especially with that name?
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Not exactly, but while he’s a doomposter, he’s not the same guy (fyi).
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so there’s more then one mikep1984?
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No, there’s more then one doomposter.
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i know mikep1984 is one there’s a ac that’s one but there not doom posting anymore
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But I could be wrong, If so, I apologize.
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i looked and there the same person
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FYI, your style is far closer to the doomposting AC than mikep1984’s is. Am I to take it that you’re the doomposting AC based on that?
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i was saying that mikep1984 is doom posting yet people here would defend him as usual
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Except what you actually said is that mikep1984 is the same individual as the (formerly) doomposting AC with all the evidence actually against such a conclusion. Basically, you’re defending yourself with a lie, which makes me think the answer to AC’s question to you is “yes”.
Well done tools of the tech companies, you do your owners proud
Journalists: This law will be devastating to smaller platform while doing nothing more than entrenching the larger platforms who can afford the resources to comply with it.
Politicians: You’re just saying that because you’re shilling for Big Tech, which means anything you say can be ignored!
Big Tech: Oh no, not the briar patch, anything but that!
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Actually mainstream newspapers have been the main cheerleaders for this law (presumably as it supposedly shackles Big Tech) with barely a murmur of criticism. Virtually all MPs voted in favour.
Ironically, I remember an Ofcom representative saying several years ago that social media was already 95% of the way to meeting the requirements of this law.
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anything else newly made account
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mikep1984’s account was made in 2021. So if you’re bitching about it being newly made, am I to take it that you’ve time-traveled from the past?
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Give it a rest, loser.
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why do you defend mikep1984?
The solution is to make private commnuities, where people only get in through invitation. With terms of use that protect the website itself.
No public access of any kind. No reproducing any post, by screenshot, text, or anything.
Go. Private.
If you want to be mean, list all the politicians that voted for this law. Install them in a blacklist SHARED betwene every single private website/forum that bans them forever. No login, no access, nothing. For life.
England is the country where young girls have been abused and raped for decades. Everyone knew. The police looked the other way so they would not be accused of being “racist”.
And this turd of a country that has no trouble sleeping knowing they do NOTHING to save abused and raped girls wants to tell the citizens they MUST be responsible when it comes to safety ?
England : go F yourelf.
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There was no vote, the law passed without a division
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This would require at least persistent pseudonym ids (or no anonymite at all if we want to ban bad people like bad politicians).
Also, what about people from other countries?
So, are laws like these going to be slowly killing off all parts of the internet, save for big tech?
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Probably, probably not.
Maybe, maybe not.
We’ll just have to wait & see. 🤷
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Hopefully governments will take notice of the effects of overbroad bills like this one now, then. Before it’s too late for us all.
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I honestly wouldn’t worry about it, in all fairness.
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yeah. Right. Fair point.
If it somehow ends up that catastrophically, spending all the time worrying about it happening isn’t the most productive use of time.
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Yeah, you gotta fight for your rights, not worry.
Or play games, or something.
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Also it’s likely the UK law goes against the ECHR.
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I think through a process of natural wastage & consolidation, this would happen anyway. Just speeds up the process.
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any more bro
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You’re not helping.
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just flag them there a doomposter based on there comment history
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I have a feeling this’ll probably hit anime artwork websites, for example, since the British hate freedom of artistic expression and consider lines and shapes drawn in a specific way to be “child pornography.”
Read the HN discussion for insights
There was a large discussion of this a few days ago on HN here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42433044 where numerous people who have actually read the law pointed out that complying with this is not nearly as hard as the forum owner is making it out to be.
Several of the provisions only apply to large sites (7 million monthly active UK users), and several only apply to medium sites (700k monthly active UK users).
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Explain why so many forums are shutting down, then.
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They are not, the “hundreds” of forums shutting down are all run by one person.
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Source of this claim?
It’s also very likely the UK will be forced to bring the OSA in line with the DSA.
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That could only happen if the UK was part of the EU, and (quickly checks records) it hasn’t been since 2020.
welp the internet had a great run
Charles Stross' blog will also lose its comments section.
Charles Stross, Hugo-award winning science fiction author, has said that his blog is going to have to lose its comments section because of this law.
https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2024/12/storm-cloud-approaching-rapidl.html
"Women and girls"
I tried to read through the presentation of the Act, I really did, but the constant harping on “protecting women and girls” was a huge red flag to me.
Firstly, because it’s all children, not just girls, who are at risk.
Secondly, and it’s a HUGE second, is because this is in fact a transphobic dog whistle.
These forums are being shut down because the Government is kowtowing to a tiny lobby of hate-filled bigots who don’t give a damn about all the women and girls who *will* be hurt by being isolated and unable to reach out.
I’m fairly certain that the majority of studies show that bullying, grooming, stalking etc. all happen on major platforms like Facebook, not your local library club’s online chat.
I wonder if there’s a list of websites that have decided to just geoblock the UK at this point.
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i wonder too
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Give it a few more laws like this and it’ll be easier to create a list of sites that haven’t.
Gamingonlinux shut down their forums too because of this.
One By One, The Lights Went Out
when you look at a nighttime image of the Korean Peninsula from Low Earth Orbit it is easy to spot the dividing line between North and South, dictatorship and democracy, etc
darkness to the north, street lamps to the south
too bad freedom of speech is being stifled by way of wrecking a zillion printing presses
don’t worry, you’ll get accustomed to the silence, the darkness, just ask those enslaved peasants of North Korea how happy they are…!
g’bye British Isles… good try at democracy but too many of the ruling elite having decided you do not deserve it
this might be the fate of the USA as well but not this soon… we got till at least Vance decides to stay in the White House and assigns himself the job title of President-4-Life in 2029…
and then the lights will go out across North America, one by one… we will be happier in the dark, in the silence… just like you will be
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Quit with the doom-poetry and go back to bed.
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