Trademark Relinquished After Backlash From Trademark Bullying A Decade Ago By Pho Restaurant

from the pho-sure dept

It’s that time of the year in the Midwest, when the skies darken early and the temperature drops. And that means it’s pho season. As a lover of pho, allow me to educate anyone that hasn’t heard of it. It’s a soup of sorts, with rice noodles, spices, and meat. And it’s considered the national dish of Vietnam, where pho originated.

Lots of people love pho, including Stephen Wall and Juliette Wall of the UK, who traveled to Vietnam decades ago and then opened up a chain of pho restaurants back home. They also trademarked the name of their business somehow, which is merely named “Pho”. This would be roughly the equivalent of an American company trademarking “Hot Dogs”. What’s worse, back in 2013, the company bullied another restaurant, Mo Pho, into changing its name, citing that same trademark.

It’s a debate that roots back to 2013, when a small southeast London restaurant called Mo Pho said it had received a legal letter from Pho Holdings requesting it changes its name. Pho Holdings said it had trademarked the word ‘pho’ six years prior, a time when knowledge of the soup dish was limited in the UK, meaning only they could use the term in the title of a restaurant business.

Despite the chain claiming that it had not trademarked the Vietnamese dish, just the company name to protect business, outrage formed on social media, with one likening the decision to trademarking ‘sandwich and not letting others use it’. The brand later admitted to making a mistake and tweeted that they had dropped the dispute against the now-permanently closed Mo Pho, according to The Guardian.

Sure, Pho Holdings admitted a mistake in going after a competitor wielding an overly broad and generic trademark, particularly given the cultural appropriation aspect of it all. But it sure didn’t change its own brand name, nor relinquish its trademark. To date, Pho Holdings still operates its “Pho” chain of restaurants.

But then a Vietnamese influencer in London came across the chain and the story of that trademark bullying attempt from a decade ago and decided to use the internet to turn it into a full on freaking thing.

Fast forward to this month, and a London-based influencer with Vietnamese heritage reopened the discussion with a scathing TikTok, which gained over two million views.

Yen, who goes by @iamyenlikethemoney on the platform, said: ‘So, as a Vietnamese person, every single time I walk past this restaurant, it makes my blood boil because not only is this restaurant white owned…but they trademarked the word pho in the UK’.

She explained how the chain had contacted other businesses using the term in their name, saying: ‘Do you know how insane that is? That is like trademarking the word fish and chips, kebab, or sushi… it is so generic’.

Those two million views resulted in public calls to boycott the chain, along with online criticism of Pho Holdings for playing the trademark bully. For its part, Pho Holdings has pointed out that it hasn’t since gone after other restaurants purely for having “Pho” in their names, nor have any lawsuits been filed. That didn’t help all that much, as it turns out. Enough people understood that the root of the problem here was the existence of the generic trademark.

And due to all of that public pressure, Pho Holdings finally took material action.

A Pho spokesperson said: ‘We have always loved the Vietnamese food and culture that Pho has been inspired by and have been listening to the comments from the past week.

‘We understand the concerns that have been raised and have today filed a request to the Intellectual Property Office to surrender our registered trademark on the use of ‘pho’.’

So, the lesson here isn’t merely that public pressure on intellectual property matters can be effective. Instead, it’s that the public is capable of having a long memory on this sort of thing. Far too often we see trademark bullying attempted and then rescinded after a backlash, with too many companies presuming that backing down is all it will take to make the backlash go away.

In this case at least, the public has shown it can hold bullies to account, even a decade later.

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cls says:

Sriracha trademark

ok, so there’s these midwestern white people that tried to trademark the generic Vietnamese word for soup.

THen, there’s David Tran, actual Vietnamese person, started a company that makes the best hot sauce to put in the soup. It’s called sriracha, which literally means red hot sauce. it’s a generic term, and he doesn’t have a marketing budget, and he doesn’t care. so he never trademarked the word.

can I put a link here? interesting write up about trademark law, regarding sriracha. https://www.lawinc.com/sriracha-trademark-history

Demoy "not an anonymous coward" Blake says:

The bully here was the influencer

“Phở” is the Vietnamese spelling. Pho is an anglicised spelling which this food chain help popularized in England (based on this Thai influencer). This isn’t not like trademarking the word sandwich for a foodstore, it’s more like trademarking sanwich. The Pho founders loved Vietnam and they were punished by a racist Vietnam citizen for being too white (his words) to own a misspelling of a vietnamese word as a trademark. I would agree with you that their trademark became too generic over time as a byproduct of them popularizing the misspelling as the name of the dish. But it was a valid trade mark at the start and either way that’s not how this article is framed. I know your article alone won’t repair the damage this racist did to this couple but please reconsider this article out respect for them or AT THE VERY LEAST CUT OUT THE QUOTE THAT REEKS OF RACISM.

Whoever says:

Re: When did it become generic

Pho is an anglicised spelling which this food chain help popularized in England (based on this Thai influencer)

This claim is undermined by the fact that the word “pho” was added to the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary in 2007, which would suggest that the anglicized spelling was in common use before the trademark.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

The only way it would be “like trademarking sanwich” is if the word “sandwich” had letters that didn’t exist in the English alphabet and “sanwich” was a painfully obvious way to write “sandwich” using only English letters.

In other words, something that shouldn’t earn you the right to trademark it…

Andy says:

Re: Nope

No it’s not like “sanwich” at all. To English speakers who don’t use all the accents Pho is Pho some people just mispronounce it. Plus they trademarked several variations so the intent is there with past actions proving it. Plus the back pedaling little by little until they had no choice. Instead of NOT renewing the trademark again. Everyone sees now.

Upstream (profile) says:

chipotle

The USPTO has been a travesty for decades. The USPTO has been issuing patents and trademarks on things that should in no way be eligible for such legal protection. Nowhere near all of these bogus patents and trademarks get the attention or the push-back that they deserve, and many are simply weaponized by patent trolls and a compliant legal system.

Similar situation with the USCO, which has long been abusively extending copyrights beyond all reason, and has been at the center of trying to maintain an obsolete model of copyright as a concept, in spite of the fact that most of the justification for that model vanished decades ago with the arrival of the now ubiquitous computer and then the Internet.

I am sure a lot of money and special interest publishing lobbies [looking straight at Disney, but there are many other, lesser players] are heavily involved in maintaining the status quo. Most times, the push-back simply cannot compete with hordes of well-funded lobbyists and a corrupt Congress and Federal bureaucracy.

As Timothy Geigner points out in the article, this is a rare occasion where the push-back was able to have the necessary effect.

P.S Pho is awesome, no matter how you spell it!

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

A comment having the word chipotle in the title isn’t discussing chipotle if it’s mentioned nowhere else and doesn’t even come close to discussing it, instead mentioning the article that is about a trademark in the UK. No wonder you didn’t outright accuse AC of lacking reading comprehension: doing so would make you a hypocrite.

saigononex (user link) says:

LinkedIn : PHO Holdings has been surrended & why this petition is important

Why this petition is important?
Started by Antoan Phu
I’m a real “Vietnamese blogger” aka @antoanvn for Linkedin and Google. So good that we have @Antoan Phu with his notable petition with transparent demanding. Read & watch my newsletter on Linkedin.com below. On next posted a video clip explain for this trade mark name “PHO” Vietnam. Before to bye-bye,in the Vn’s tradition saying THAN CHAO .
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/pho-holdings-trademark-surrendered-london-peter-tran-dac-tho-otnye/

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