Age Verification Laws Are Just A Path Towards A Full Ban On Porn, Proponent Admits

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It’s never about the children. Supporters of age verification laws, book bans, drag show bans, and abortion bans always claim they’re doing these things to protect children. But it’s always just about themselves. They want to impose their morality on other adults. That’s all there is to it.

Abortion bans are just a way to strip women of bodily autonomy. If it was really about cherishing children and new lives, these same legislators wouldn’t be routinely stripping school lunch programs of funding, introducing onerous means testing to government aid programs, and generally treating children as a presumptive drain on society.

The same goes for book bans. They claim they want to prevent children from accessing inappropriate material. But you can only prevent children from accessing it by removing it entirely from public libraries, which means even adults will no longer be able to read these books.

The laws targeting drag shows aren’t about children. They’re about punishing certain people for being the way they are — people whose mere existence seems to be considered wholly unacceptable by bigots with far too much power.

The slew of age verification laws introduced in recent years are being shot down by courts almost as swiftly as they’re enacted. And for good reason. Age verification laws are unconstitutional. And they’re certainly not being enacted to prevent children from accessing porn.

Of course, none of the people pushing this kind of legislation will ever openly admit their reasons for doing so. But they will admit it to people they think are like-minded. All it takes is a tiny bit of subterfuge to tease these admissions out of activist groups that want to control what content adults have access to — something that’s barely hidden by their “for the children” facade.

As Shawn Musgrave reports for The Intercept, a couple of people managed to coax this admission out of a former Trump official simply by pretending they were there to give his pet project a bunch of cash.

“I actually never talk about our porn agenda,” said Russell Vought, a former top Trump administration official, in late July. Vought was chatting with two men he thought were potential donors to his right-wing think tank, the Center for Renewing America. 

For the last three years, Vought and the CRA have been pushing laws that require porn websites to verify their visitors are not minors, on the argument that children need to be protected from smut. Dozens of states have enacted or considered these “age verification laws,” many of them modeled on the CRA’s proposals. 

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But in a wide-ranging, covertly recorded conversation with two undercover operatives — a paid actor and a reporter for the British journalism nonprofit Centre for Climate Reporting — Vought let them in on a thinly veiled secret: These age verification laws are a pretext for restricting access to porn more broadly. 

“Thinly veiled” is right. While it’s somewhat amusing Vought was taken in so easily and was immediately willing to say the quiet part loud when he thought cash was on the line, he’s made his antipathy towards porn exceedingly clear. As Musgrave notes in his article, Vought’s contribution to Project 2025 — a right-wing masturbatory fantasy masquerading as policy proposals should Trump take office again — almost immediately veers into the sort of territory normally only explored by dictators and autocrats who relied heavily on domestic surveillance, forced labor camps, and torture to rein in those who disagreed with their moral stances.

Pornography, manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology and sexualization of children, for instance, is not a political Gordian knot inextricably binding up disparate claims about free speech, property rights, sexual liberation, and child welfare. It has no claim to First Amendment protection. Its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women. Their product is as addictive as any illicit drug and as psychologically destructive as any crime. Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered.

Perhaps the most surprising part of this paragraph (and, indeed, a lot of Vought’s contribution to Project 2025) is that it isn’t written in all caps with a “follow me on xTwitter” link attached. These are not the words of a hinged person. They are the opposite — the ravings of a man in desperate need of a competent re-hinging service.

And he’s wrong about everything in this paragraph, especially his assertion that pornography is not a First Amendment issue. It is. That’s why so many of these laws are getting rejected by federal courts. The rest is hyperbole that pretends it’s just bold, common sense assertions. I would like to hear more about the epidemic of porn overdoses that’s leaving children parentless and overloading our health system. And who can forget the recent killing sprees of the Sinoloa Porn Cartel, which has led to federal intervention from the Mexican government?

But the most horrifying part is Vought’s desire to imprison people for producing porn and converting librarians to registered sex offenders just because their libraries carry some content that personally offends his sensibilities.

These are the words and actions of people who strongly support fascism so long as they’re part of the ruling party. They don’t care about kids, America, democracy, or the Constitution. They want a nation of followers and the power to punish anyone who steps out of line. The Center for Renewing America is only one of several groups with the same ideology and the same censorial urges. These are dangerous people, but their ideas and policy proposals are now so common it’s almost impossible to classify it as “extremist.” There are a lot of Americans who would rather see the nation destroyed than have to, at minimum, tolerate people and ideas they don’t personally like. Their ugliness needs to be dragged out into the open as often as possible, if only to force them to confront the things they’ve actually said and done.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Gay Bashing 2.0

Pornography, manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology and sexualization of children,

It’s worth pointing out and remembering that the venn diagram of ‘people claiming that they are just trying to ‘protect children from porn” and ‘people asserting at every opportunity that any sexuality or gender identity other than pure CIS heterosexuality is inherently sexual and therefore pornographic’ is so close to being a perfect circle that you’d need scientific instruments to notice the non-overlapping parts, so when someone says their book bans and the like are motivated by ‘keeping porn away from kids’ what you should hear is ‘eliminating and vilifying any mention of sexuality or gender other than the ones we define as acceptable’.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

To reiterate: I’m all for the idea of kids not seeing porn. (Seriously, I think everyone can agree that’s not something they should be seeing), but surely it can be done in a better way than what lawmakers are serving up so far?

We should be able to strike a balance of both, without it leading to either zero guardrails or a full-on ban.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: The solution already exists

As the AC above pointed out there’s already a way to do that and they’re called ‘parents’, however for the sort of people who want to blame everything on everyone but themselves telling them ‘Hey maybe you could pay attention to what your kid is looking at/reading, and answer questions when they come to you with something they aren’t sure of’ makes for a much harder sell than ‘It’s everything’s and everyone’s fault but yours!’

Anonymous Coward says:

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You’re very much correct, sadly.

Nowadays I’ve resigned myself to simply looking away from it all and praying I won’t be arbitrarily barred from perfectly legal content just because some politician got their knickers in a twist over the existence of adult content on the internet.

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Kinetic Gothic says:

This wasn’t hidden, or thinly veiled , not only was it in plain sight, it’s in their f-ing advertising for Project 2025, they want people to know this is their end goal.

Outlaw pornography: TRUE
Project 2025’s Mandate for Leadership calls for the criminalization of pornography production, distribution, and consumption. Pornography has no claim to First Amendment protection and its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women. Their product is as addictive as any illicit drug and as psychologically destructive as any crime.

https://www.project2025.org/truth/

Anonymous Coward says:

MAGA is also, publicly, very much against pedophilia whilst privately enjoying themselves on Epstein island.

Could it be that MAGA is also privately a large consumer of pornography while publicly calling for it to be outlawed?

I remember reading about the Republican National Conversion site being a large draw for prostitution and that red states have a large consumption of pornography.

There should be some sort of psychological name for this type of aliment.

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Anonymous Coward says:

to paraphrase..

First they came for the pornographers, and I did not speak up because I was not a pornographer.

Then they came for the librarians and educators, and I did not speak up because I was not the one putting this smut in our libraries.

Then they came for the telecommunications companies, and I did not speak up because I was not transmitting this smut.

Them they came for me, and, well, you know how the rest goes..

Anonymous Coward says:

All porn ban or age verification scenes will do is make more subscribers and more money for services like IPTV great.

Out of about 178000 channels there are about 4500 porn channels

Because they have no server presence in the USA, they are not subject to US laws

That is why the copyright folks cannot shut it down

Before you say Kim Dotcom his mistake was having servers in the USA

If none of his servers had been in the USA he would not have been subject to prosecution in the United States

In short, IPTV great will never be subject to American laws as long as none of their servers are in the United States

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Kim Dotcom is a major supporter of rightwing, fascist assholes. He’s not a champion of free speech, or of individual rights, or of any kind of justice: he’s just another bloated obscenely wealthy asshole who wants to reshape the world to benefit himself, and fuck everyone else. I hope he dies in the basement of the most violent wing of a US prison.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Oh, it’s you again.

All it takes is a lot of political will to abuse the current criminal “justice” system.

China already does it with their “secret police” worldwide, the US with the CIA and extradition treaties, and I can list a few other examples where all a country needs is either a willing backer and the political will to extradite.

No one’s untouchable, everyone’s a target if they piss off the powers that be enough.

And the big players will look the other way if there’s either enough political will or bribes.

A VPN isn’t gonna save anyone. Hell, it’s not even that secure.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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If that VPN is on a home computer abroad it is beyond the reach of American law enforcement

If this censorship bs goes thrlough I intend to do that.

If I buy a home in Mexico or the Bahamas and put an encrypted relay there it will be beyond the reach of us law enforcement

And remember, they can’t prosecute what they can’t read

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

You are dangerously advocating for self-censorship and thoughtcrime.

A VPN would not have saved Jack Ma’s ass from “tax evasion”, as his words were widely reported on in the mainstream media.

Your bullshit means everyone ought to police their fucking thoughts before they even USE a VPN.

And again, you clearly have ZERO grasp on things like geopolitics or how far a surveilance state will go, or even basic things like knowledge of criminal law.

VPNs don’t stop polonium pellets, nor can they stop people from monitoring you electronically OR physically.

VPNs cannot stop governments or other malicious actors from READING what is PUBLISHED.

And VPNs do NOT magically shield you from crimes. Or the reach of a government hell bent on sending you to a grave.

Sassage says:

What is it with the right taking words/phrases and sucking any and all meaning, context, and nuance out of them?
…Oh wait, it’s so they can use them as cheap, vague labels to drape over the many, many things they love to hate.

Today it’s ‘porn,’ which now means “any representation of/reference to sex I find objectionable.”

See also ‘groomer,’ ‘woke,’ ‘socialist,’ ‘DEI,’ etc etc etc

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Censorship will never affect the rich

Look at China. There are enough millionaires and billionaires who can afford to set up encrypted relays abroad.

That is what will happen in America. Rich people will evade censorship in that manner. An offshore home computer is not subject to american laws even if the homeowner is American

And if it is encrypted that cannot see what you are doing. They can’t prosecute what they can’t read

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Jack Ma still got dinged.

And I don’t particularly care for your psychopathic wheeling and dealing.

The rich are not untouchable in China.

Oh, and the only things keeping Taiwan from being hit with nukes are the silicon fabs and the 7th Pacific Group. If you really, really wanna go that way. And the latter is uncertain.

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Anonymous Coward says:

What is scary is that trump is back.in.the lead according to one gambling site in Britain that takes bets on ejections worldwide

Their AI now has Trump at about 49 to 48 over

She stepped on it with her price control proposals as they could lead to rationing

Unlike in WWII rationing wouid be all on computers which can be hacked. And that is likely what will happen if rationing fears come true. People will try to hack the system to get more

If you use VPN and tor combined you become untraceable. You can’t prodevute what you can’t trace.

Either way, expect saled of secure disk wiping software to go up.

As long as you are not in Texas, wiping your disk is not a crimr

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

If rationing does come there will be things like the black market rich people can afford

And a rich person can buy one $300k Mercedes that could outrun pse enforcement to evade arrest for any offense realated to that

That Mercedes can go 220 miles an hour and law enforcement would never catch it

As long as you are not in Texas you can jam police radios so backup cannot be called

In Texas jammets can be considered an “instrument of crime” if it is used in furtherance of a crime

Sometime back when they caught with someone they figured why the remote controls for their spike strips would not work

He was using a 315mhz jammer and was charged under that law

He broke no federal laws jamming the link to their spike strips but did break state law in Texas

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Anonymous Coward says:

If any librarian were my wife and she got arrested for that I would do everything possible to obstruct prosecutors

I would break in to their office computer networks find the folder of the prosecutor assigned to the case and erase everything in that folde so he could not do his work

I wouud love to see the look on his face when he found everything on his folder on the network had been erased preventing him from prepating his case against her

I wouud do that for her and use tor and vpn so I could not be traced

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

When it comes to libraries and bookstors every employee in the place could interfere with a cops attempt to arrest the boss

If I were working in one of these places I would gather every employee in the place and interfere with the arrest

If every employee in the place came at those cops they would be outnumbered and manhandled and going out there with their butts kicked,good and proper. Their attempt to arrest the boss would fail when they were badly outnumbered and got their assed kicked.

I would make beimg a karate black belt an employment if l were the boss. With 10 more karate black belts the cops would not succeed

They wouid be wondering what hit them

Unless you are in Texas jam their radios so backup can’t be called.

Texas is the only state in the 50 where jamming police radios is a crime under their “instrument of crime” statute

Anonymous Coward says:

These are the words and actions of people who strongly support fascism so long as they’re part of the ruling party. They don’t care about kids, America, democracy, or the Constitution.

Oh hello! You’re obviously new to the U.S.!

You must have fallen for that bullshit about, “Land of opportunity and freedom” huh? A lot of people do.

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Heart of Dawn (profile) says:

Under Project 2025 (and presumably outside it too), they plan to class transgender people pornographic for simply existing. That means that anyone who aids or abeits a trans person could be charged with making porn, whether it’s just selling them a dress or giving them an affirming haircut.

And if they have children, or the child is trans- yeah, it gets real bad real fast.

They don’t want to just destroy trans people’s lives and prosecute them out of existence, but everyone who supports them too. And if that doesn’t terrify you, try thinking about it again.

Anonymous Coward says:

I am thinking that the movement fur an independent Republic of Pacifica happened, that wouid screw up their anti porn agenda

Websites in the new country wouid not be subject to the laws of the remaining United States

Any website in Pacifica, if that country existed now, would not be subject to.any laws in the remaining United States

The Constitution fir Pacifica woukd prohibit the country from extraditing it’s citizens to the USA

A Pacifican could, before travelling, break into law enforcement computer networks in the remaining USA and erase those warrants

And before you say cfaa, the cfaa would have no jurisdiction in Pacifica

The CFAA has no jurisdiction abroad so someone in Pacifica who did that could not be prosecuted in the United states

And then there is the dmca

People who want certain features removed from.theur cars computers could cross the border into Pacifica and get it done at shops in Pacifica. The dmca wouid have zero jurisdiction in Pacifica

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