Musk’s ExTwitter Fumbles Copyright Law, Loses Data Scraping Lawsuit
from the another-one-down-the-drain dept
Is there any law that Elon Musk actually understands?
The latest is that he’s lost yet another lawsuit, this time (in part) for not understanding copyright law.
There have been a variety of lawsuits regarding data scraping over the past decade, and we’ve long argued that such scraping should be allowed under the law (though sites are free to take technical measures to try to block them). Some of these issues are at stake in the recent Section 230 lawsuit that Ethan Zuckerman filed against Meta. That one is more about middleware/API access.
But pure “scraping” has come up in a number of cases, most notably the LinkedIn / HiQ case, where the 9th Circuit has said that scraping of public information is not a violation of the CFAA, as it was not “unauthorized access.” But the follow-up to that case was that the court still blocked HiQ from scraping LinkedIn, in part because of LinkedIn’s user agreement.
This has created a near total mess, where it is not at all clear if scraping public data on the internet is actually allowed.
This has only become more important in the last few years with the rise of generative AI and the need to get access to as much data as possible to train on.
Internet companies have been pushing to argue that their terms of service can block all kinds of scraping, perhaps relying on the eventual injunction blocking HiQ. Both Meta and ExTwitter sued a scraping company, Bright Data, arguing that its scraping violated their terms of service.
In January, Meta’s case against Bright Data was dismissed at the summary judgment stage. The judge in that case, Edward Chen, found that Meta’s terms of service clearly do not prohibit logged-off scraping of public data.
Now, ExTwitter’s lawsuit against the same company has reached a similar conclusion.
This time, it’s Judge William Alsup, who has dismissed the case for failure to state a claim. Alsup’s decision is a bit more thorough. It highlights that there are two separate issues here: did it violate ExTwitter’s terms of service to access its systems for scraping, and then, separately, to scrape and sell the data.
On the access side, the judge is not convinced by any of the arguments. It’s not trespass to chattels, because that requires some sort of injury.
Critically, the instant complaint alleges no such impairment or deprivation. X Corp. parrots elements, reciting that Bright Data’s “acts have caused injury to X Corp. and . . . will cause damage in the form of impaired condition, quality, and value of its servers, technology infrastructure, services, and reputation” (Amd. Compl. ¶ 102). Its lone deviation from that parroting — a conclusory statement that Bright Data’s “acts have diminished the server capacity that X Corp. can devote to its legitimate users” — fails to move the needle (Amd. Compl. ¶ 98). To say nothing of the fact that, as alleged, Bright Data and its customers are legitimate X users (subject to the Terms), the scraping tools and services they use are reliant on X Corp.’s servers functioning exactly as intended.
It’s not fraud under California law, because there’s no misrepresentation:
Starting with the argument that Bright Data’s technology and tools misrepresented requests, remember X Corp. does not allege that Bright Data or its customers have used their own registered accounts, or any other registered accounts, to scrape data from X, i.e., to access X by sending requests to X Corp.’s servers (for extracting and copying data). Meanwhile, X Corp. acknowledges that one does not need a registered account to access X and send such requests (see Amd. Compl. ¶ 22). X Corp. also acknowledges that X users with registered accounts can access X and send such requests without logging in to their registered accounts
And it’s not tortious interference with a contract, because, again, there’s no damage:
Among the elements of a tortious-interference claim is resulting damage. Pac. Gas & Elec., 791 P.2d at 590. The only damage that X Corp. plausibly pleaded in the instant complaint is that resulting from scraping and selling of data and, by extension, inducing scraping. X Corp. has not alleged any damage resulting from automated access to systems and, by extension, inducing automated access. As explained above, X Corp. has pleaded no impairment or deprivation of X Corp. servers resulting from sending requests to those servers. And, thin allusions to server capacity that could be devoted to “legitimate users” and reputational harm — not redressable under trespass to chattels as a matter of law — are simply too conclusory to be redressable at all. X Corp. will be allowed to seek leave to amend to allege damage (if any) resulting from automated access, as set out at the end of this order. But the instant complaint has failed to state a claim for tortious interference based on such access.
As for the scraping and selling of data, well, there’s no breach there either. And here we get into the copyright portion of the discussion. The question is who has the rights over this particular data. ExTwitter is claiming, somehow, that it has the right to stop scrapers because it has some rights over the data. But, the content is from users. Not ExTwitter. And that’s an issue.
Judge Alsup notes that ExTwitter’s terms give it a license to the content users post, but that’s a copyright license. Not a license to then do other stuff, such as suing others for copying it.
Note the rights X Corp. acquires from X users under the non-exclusive license closely track the exclusive rights of copyright owners under the Copyright Act. The license gives X Corp. rights to reproduce and copy, to adapt and modify, and to distribute and display (Terms 3–4). Section 106 of the Act gives “the owner of copyright . . . the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following”: “to reproduce . . . in copies,” “to prepare derivative works,” “to distribute copies . . . to the public by sale,” and “to display . . . publicly.” 17 U.S.C. § 106. But X Corp. disclaims ownership of X users’ content and does not acquire a right to exclude others from reproducing, adapting, distributing, and displaying it under the non-exclusive license
Alsup notes that ExTwitter could, in theory, acquire the copyright on all content published on the platform instead of licensing it. However, he claims that it probably doesn’t do this because it could impact the company’s Section 230 immunities:
One might ask why X Corp. does not just acquire ownership of X users’ content or grant itself an exclusive license under the Terms. That would jeopardize X Corp.’s safe harbors from civil liability for publishing third-party content. Under Section 230(c)(1) of the Communications Decency Act, social media companies are generally immune from claims based on the publication of information “provided by another information content provider.” 47 U.S.C. § 230(c)(1). Meanwhile, under Section 512(a) of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (“DMCA”), social media companies can avoid liability for copyright infringement when they “act only as ‘conduits’ for the transmission of information.” Columbia Pictures Indus., Inc. v. Fung, 710 F.3d 1020, 1041 (9th Cir. 2013); 17 U.S.C. § 512(a). X Corp. wants it both ways: to keep its safe harbors yet exercise a copyright owner’s right to exclude, wresting fees from those who wish to extract and copy X users’ content.
I have to admit, I’m not sure that a copyright assignment would change the Section 230 analysis… but perhaps? Anyway, it’s a weird hypothetical to raise in this scenario.
The larger point is just that ExTwitter has no right to stop others from copying this data. That’s not part of the rights the company has over the content on the site put there by third-party users.
The upshot is that, invoking state contract and tort law, X Corp. would entrench its own private copyright system that rivals, even conflicts with, the actual copyright system enacted by Congress. X Corp. would yank into its private domain and hold for sale information open to all, exercising a copyright owner’s right to exclude where it has no such right. We are not concerned here with an arm’s length contract between two sophisticated parties in which one or the other adjusts their rights and privileges under federal copyright law. We are instead concerned with a massive regime of adhesive terms imposed by X Corp. that stands to fundamentally alter the rights and privileges of the world at large (or at least hundreds of millions of alleged X users). For the reasons that follow, this order holds that X Corp.’s statelaw claims against Bright Data based on scraping and selling of data are preempted by the Copyright Act
And thus, the claims here also fail.
Arguably, this complaint was less silly than some others (and, yes, Meta made a similar — and similarly failed — complaint). The mess of the HiQ decisions means that the issue of data scraping is still kind of a big unknown under the law. Eventually, the Supreme Court may need to weigh in on scraping, and that’s going to be yet another scary Supreme Court case…
Filed Under: cfaa, contract, data scraping, license, terms of service, william alsup
Companies: bright data, meta, twitter, x


Comments on “Musk’s ExTwitter Fumbles Copyright Law, Loses Data Scraping Lawsuit”
(or at least hundreds of millions of alleged X users)
lol, ow.
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I don’t want to know how close we are to a “bots are people, my friend” statement.
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Put a skirt steak on your phone and call it your sister.
No one can argue with you because it is just a social construct.
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Found Elon Musk.
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I think your fake eyelashes are impairing your vision
What’s actually not clear is whether websites can make an arbitrary activity felonious with a few words in their ToS.
Linkedin ruling would suggest the answer is “yes.”
This is ultimately what happens when rules are set and interpreted by a political class that has never had to live in reality.
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It’s entirely possible that Linkedin would be decided differently today, based on this ruling.
Mike, I think this is an interesting hypothetical. I am not a lawyer. But copyright is (originally) assigned to the “speaker”, and then transferred elsewhere. If X went out of it’s way to claim it had copyright over the users contents, I think for all practical purposes that would be like claiming the speech is it’s own.
For example: if a major game studio lost their mind (significantly more that what ever qualifies as “a usual amount of mind-losing”) and started making games that clearly (in a world where this can be objectively defined) were for… say training people to be terrorist. They design this “speech” clearly be an incitement to violence (lets even say against specific real life people). Anyhow I think it would be the case that any legal problems they managed to create for themselves that survived 1st-A scrutiny would apply to more than just the employees(original “speakers”) who developed the software.
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What Mike (and Judge Alsup) is getting at is that X could require that people using the app assign copyright to X, in the same fashion that work-for-hire (often) assigns copyright to the entity doing the hiring.
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Yes. And my point was: I think X requiring users assign their copyright to X would be a reasonable way to say “X is assuming liability for their copyrighted content their are receiving the rights to”.
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Yeah, there may be some argument against this, but i fail to see why the idea is difficult to grasp.
Can the rightsholder for anything else say, “You can’t sue me, I only bought all the rights, I didn’t write the thing.”?
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It’s an interesting legal question. If someone says something defamatory for example they are liable but the platform they use to say it on isn’t because it’s understood that the original speaker is the ‘owner’ of the defamatory speech and the platform is merely hosting it.
If however the platform attains full ownership over the speech in question are they now on the hook for the defamatory speech and the original speaker off the hook, are both of them on the hook or is the defamatory status in limbo because the original speaker is no longer the ‘owner’ of the words in question?
I can’t imagine it’s option three as that would be a cruise ship sized loophole and would be regularly abused already such that everyone would know about it, so that just leaves one, two, or some wonky permutation.
My thinking at the moment would be that the transfer wouldn’t change who was guilty of defamation on the spot, but it might kick in at some point, like if a publisher bought the rights to a book found to contain defamatory content they wouldn’t be liable for any copies currently out there but might become liable if they decided to print more copies. How that would work online and/or in a situation where the transfer of ownership was at the time of posting however is another can of worms…
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Yeah, your reasoning sounds mostly sane.
But regarding online posting: if X required transfer of copyright before they would host the content, my opinion is that would also entail them assuming liability for posting that content online. To me, them requirement transfer of copyright is tantamount to banning “user” content, and only hosting their own content.
Would be interesting if it actually came up in a case, but I suspect it’s so fringe that we may not ever see it.
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Elon knew exactly what would be the outcome of this lawsuit, so it make Twitter filled with totally useless content to ensure nobody will ever want to scrape anything from it.
That the kind of brilliant ideas that could only came from a genius like him.
The question would be is rightsholdership the same thing as authorship, as 230 is about the latter.
Won't someone think of senpai?
Poor bratty matty is gonna be rage fucking his elmo body pillow tonight.
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You mean just like on every day that ends with a “y”?
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Is there any law that you understand?
Or rather, are unwilling to gaslight over? Particularly if you can nakedly trash talk Musk?
You even point out that this is a disputed area of law, and point out very similar lawsuits filed by very similar companies around the same time. Yet your lede, uniquely, calls Musk a fool for filing this one.
Do you even listen to yourself?!?
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Is there any article you that are able to read?
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Not sure how I managed to fuck up a single sentence, but there you go.
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lol stay mad straight trash
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Herman it’s not your day for us to dunk on.
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Meh, I dunk on Hyman no matter what day it is.
Fucking useless breeders have had it too good for too long…
Re: Re: Re:2 Why not both though
I am starting to honestly wonder if you have dissociative identify disorder and aren’t just a self hating closest case.
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In which case I am, in fact, a homosexual and therefore an ally.
I’m not seeing the problem here.
Re: I was blinded by the projection
Do you even listen to yourself?!?
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Done rage fucking your Elmo body pillow I see.
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I’m not sure he’s actually stopped.
“Is there any law that Elon Musk actually understands?”
No, he just believes they never apply to him.
See also: How many firey autodrive deaths did it take to FINALLY get a recall but like 3 people die from tainted romaine and we get a recall.
Now this “genius” is looking for another volunteer to have holes literally drilled in his head, despite the failureof the first effort. Oh, sure, it worked for a WHILE.
I nominate Donald J. Trump for the endeavor. The hole might serve to relieve the pressure from all of that hot air and horseshit….