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Papers Please, But For Porn Scheduled For A 2025 Debut In The UK

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Stop-start. Push-pull. Yank-tug. That’s the way things have been going in the UK. One would expect better performance from lawmakers with a hard-on for porn.

No. Not that way. (Although, maybe that way.) The UK government has spent several years trying to talk service providers, recalcitrant legislators, and the general public into trading away a bit of their privacy to save the children from the scourge of online pornography.

Porn filters have been proposed, implemented, and abandoned. Age-verification methods have been proposed, examined, and re-examined. The proposal that has proven most resilient involves letting service providers know who you are, how old you are, and that you definitely intend to consume porn content.

This proposal obviously raises privacy concerns. While UK residents might be (reluctantly) willing to inform their service providers they’d like to see some pornography, they’re likely far less willing to notify their government of this same information. The government says it’s only interested in keeping those under the age of 18 away from adult sites, but the mechanisms for doing so necessitate the government being involved in some way with this gathering of very personal information from internet users.

Nonetheless, the UK government continues to insist this is the only practical option: demanding personally identifying info from porn fans. As Laurie Clarke reports for Politico, blocking access to porn sites by default will soon be the new normal in the United Kingdom. Time for everyone to reach into their pants to locate their… um… wallets, purses, etc.

Before diving into a sea of graphic content, they’ll first be asked to prove they’re over 18 — and this time, ticking a box won’t cut it.

Porn perusers will soon have to prove their age by uploading an identity document like a passport, registering a credit card, presenting their face to AI-powered scanning technology, or using a handful of other methods outlined in draft guidance from the regime’s regulator, Ofcom.

Sure, Ofcom may be seeking input, but it hardly seems like anyone’s opinions will matter. Comment all you want but it’s unlikely to change what’s coming: the debut of porn filtering that can only be removed by proving to providers (and, ultimately, the UK government) you are who you are and you are someone who wants to view porn.

The upshot of this move is that UK residents won’t stop trying to access porn. They’ll just start looking for it in places beyond the reach of UK legislators. That’s what’s happening in the United States, thanks to a handful of states passing legislation that requires porn sites to gather and retain personal information about their users.

Rather than gather incriminating information on behalf of a handful of state governments, US porn sites have simply decided to block users it believes reside in affected states. Traffic has plummeted at these sites as a result of these laws, but that hardly suggests most users were underage. Instead, it suggests people aren’t willing to share their porn viewing habits with government entities. Even if regulators can’t (currently) access this data, the perception is that they can… or will, as soon as they can come up with a justification for doing so.

Everyone’s less safe now, including the minors these laws were crafted to “protect.”

“These people did not stop looking for porn,” an [Pornhub parent company] Aylo spokesperson said. “They just migrated to darker corners of the internet that don’t ask users to verify age, that don’t follow the law, that don’t take user safety seriously, and that often don’t even moderate content.”

That’s going to happen in the UK, too. Ofcom knows this. And if Ofcom knows this, legislators should know this.

A survey commissioned by the regulator last year found that 55 percent of porn viewers said they would look for porn elsewhere if asked to verify their age, while only 29 percent said that they would comply. 

The percentage of UK residents willing to look elsewhere for porn jumps to 80% when respondents were asked if they were willing to upload copies of identifying documents to websites to obtain access.

And it’s not just porn sites that will have to start demanding people’s papers upon entry. It’s also sites likes X, Reddit, Wikimedia, and other third-party content hosts that allow pornography on their sites. Locking minors out of these sites means denying them access to plenty of non-porn content that they might find useful, educational, or otherwise engaging.

Then there are the even more problematic aspects of instituting this policy. Erecting a wall seems like a good idea until you realize everyone else has already found a way around it. Ask anyone who’s instituted a paywall how that’s going. Regulators in the UK are actually considering heading down the road to totalitarianism. You know, for the children.

To solve the issue of evasion with VPNs, “the answer is obviously to either impose age assurance globally” or for porn sites to begin detecting and blocking VPN traffic, says Corby.

Restricting VPN use itself — usually a hallmark of autocratic regimes — has been promoted by Labour MPs as a potential means of preventing U.K. residents from circumventing the Online Safety Act.

As anyone with a bare minimum of world history under their belt can tell you, once you head down that road, it’s much easier to continue on than reverse direction. Restricting VPN use won’t just keep minors from accessing porn, but it will prevent journalists from talking to sources, businesses from maintaining secure remote connections, and inflict a lot of pain on people who simply don’t believe it’s anyone else’s business what they do online.

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Anonymous Coward says:

The law is such a unworkable mess that is likely to collapse under its own weight and I can see it being delayed over and over again and not be up and running in 2025. Also I don’t think any thing will happen to social media sites or other sites and the UK gov and Ofcom will back down when backlash happens.

Ofcom is already struggling with implementation like the BBFC before them.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Germany and France giving themselves the legal ability to nationally block websites (and Twitter accounts) for being deemed ‘non-compliant’ with similar age-verification laws does indicate that ‘unworkable’ isn’t really the right word to use. ‘A chaotic mess that while enacted just ends up hurting people’ is a better way of phrasing it. It’s also important to note that, for all the talk about Ofcom, they’re shepherding responsibility for this onto third-party services. This isn’t handled in-government, much like every other instance of this.

The unspoken problem about a lot of these bills that even if the laws themselves are unworkable (and in cases like the US, do see legal pushback), the troubling thing is that the ID verification services tied to them get a political ‘in’. Sure, on an ideological and political level, the laws might flounder, but on a market level? The Politico article cited in this article mentions that among the groups supposedly celebrating the Online Safety Act are ID verification services. It’s highly doubtful they’re celebrating for the sake of the children, unless we’re to really believe these services care about that beyond the justification for data gathering. I can believe the politicians or the vaguely proclaimed ‘child safety charities’ believe that, but the companies providing the service?

Making a fuss about ‘porn’ seems to, by all counts, have been an ‘in’ with national governments like what happened with the EU’s ChatControl (see: the Balkan Insight report about the topic). The UK has, as this article mentions, a history of political hysteria about pornography, but then that also makes it the perfect customer for these services. While things like Labour wanting to outlaw VPNs seems to just be a further expression of lunacy rather than corruption, it is indicative of the sort of politicians who would think this is all a great idea. See also: the situation in the US, and Canada. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the states who pushed the Really crazy stuff, like Texas’ medical disinformation disclaimer, are the ones with a history of being weird about this.

I also don’t think it’s coincidental that these laws proposed by the same people and governments (like Utah) have recently escalated to social media, and that the UK is suddenly now also thumbing a law on age verification for accessing social media (just like France has done). Now you’re suddenly getting all the data from people who don’t go to dedicated porn pages, or people who don’t view porn at all. Not to say some sites aren’t happy to get involved – LinkedIn has started doing verification with Persona Industries, as an example. I don’t think they’re doing that for free.

Ultimately, between this and the recent push in the EU (misusing the DSA to push age verification, a Belgian representative claiming ExTwitter is ‘full of porn’ and ‘allows pornstars to have accounts’ as if this is a bad thing as also reported on by Politico) and elsewhere does paint a bleak picture. While I can and do hope this’ll eventually be outed as the corruption scandal it is by all counts shaping up to be (is anybody going to claim that governments selling out identifying information on their populace to random corporations is a good thing?), I’m wary of it meaning much. The politicians in question have proven, as has the EU Council sneaking around the ChatControl debacle, that they really don’t care, and by all counts aren’t held accountable for it.

John85851 (profile) says:

Registering a credit card?

Is registering a credit card really on the list of age validation items? Can’t a kid borrow his parent’s credit card, type in the information, and then be “verified” as an adult?
Though this is probably just one of many issues with this verification process.

And is there any proof that the passport photo you upload is actually yours? Will be see a surge in sales of fake passport photos submitted as verification? How long until the verification site is flooded with yet another passport from “Ben Dover” or “Seymour Butz”?

Anonymous Coward says:

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Can’t a kid borrow his parent’s credit card, type in the information, and then be “verified” as an adult?

Borrow? A common joke is that it’s easier for a parent to ask their kid than to get out their wallet, if they need to know their credit card number. Realistically, though, the kid will just need to download Tor Browser, and if the site operators are smart they won’t block it (they’d be better off blocking all non-Tor traffic, so they can plausibly say they don’t know where any of their users are—and can’t see who’s browsing what, which might be re-assuring to those users).

Anonymous Coward says:

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Get (and give) a credit card number to some rando web site? Similarly, give a government document to the same site?

It’s a long fight between those two, and the credit card only wins the match on points, not a KO.

Either way, it’s a good way of losing control of said information. Good luck out there. And given how well government organizations are funded, giving it out to a government web site is marginally worse.

Bloof (profile) says:

The Tory regime are currently piling up bad legislation purely designed to score them points with the Murdoch press and Gbeebies, and clog up the system so Labour and whoever they end up in coalition with after the next election will be unable to do much of anything for years to come as they’re stuck cleaning up the mess.

It’s unlikely to stand as a law, but it’s just one more act of stupidity to be dealt with.

Heart of Dawn (profile) says:

Facial recognition is worse than useless for this; there are young people who look old, older people who look young, and then there’s all the issues they have with anyone who isn’t a cis white man in general.

And what’s to stop someone just using a photo? Or are they going to make us all upgrade our webcams to depth sensing ones?

Anonymous Coward says:

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Also, unless you keep the camera on, the person who uses the site may not be the person that validated their age. All that online validation actually shows is the user that passed validation is no necessarily the person that uses the sate thereafter. Any body claiming that age validation online validates the ages of users of a site does not understand how the Internet works.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Someone really needs to take all copies of 1984 away from the UK government...

Ah yes, what could possibly go wrong with creating via legal obligation not just a massive hacking target but countless ones positively packed to the brim with blackmail material, blackmail that can and will be used against both adults and the very kids that the whole debacle is theoretically meant to ‘protect’.

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Iain Corby (user link) says:

VPNs

We’re not suggesting people should not use VPNs, just that traffic from them has to be treated as if it may come from a user in a jurisdiction which requires age assurance to protect children from harmful content and functionality. If sites do not do this, they will be at risk of government enforcement action or being sued where a private right of action is allowed by law. Some reporting may give a false sense of security that encouraging users to access a site by a VPN confers some mythical immunity, and that could be an expensive error.

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Anonymous Coward says:

I think they will ban commercial VPN services but not private vpns like businesses and individuals us

They have to allow privately owned vpns

VPN restrictions in Russia, Italy only restrict commetcoal VPN providers

This means you could set up your own private VPN,say, in a second home abroad and they would never know what you were up to.

That is the rich, who can afford second homes abroad will not be affected.

That is why age verification on places like Indiana will not affect the rich who can buy a second home elsewhere and get a static IP service and set up their own private VPN on that, and be under the radar.

One method, which the VPN gates open souve allows for can totally bypass VPN blocking, which I used in taco bell locations which blocked bond on their wifi

I wouid first access my network via SSL on port 443 and then usey main VPN by using the computer internal address on my network of 192.168.0.1 and I could totally bypass VPN blocking and filtering

Contrary to what some might say I broke no laws anywhere in the USA or Canada bypassing filters in this manner

Bypassing filtering at the Bell didnit break any either the Federal level or in any of Americas 50 states or Canadas 14 provinces

Using that “hole” to access my network was and still is 100 percent LEGAL

How it works is that when their firewall sees 192.168.0.1 it dies not block those addresses

192.168.x.x and 10.0.x.z are not blocked by firewalls when they see it because they are used for local area networks

I was merely exploring a flaw in network firewalls and doing this does break any computer hacking laws in Canada or the United States as both the cfaa and the statutes in Canada Criminal Code require that have used an illegally for obtained password and intended to damage their network for a felony charge to be laid in either Canada or the United States

Using my clever way of bypassing vpn blocking at the Bell was not a felony crime

Anonymous Coward says:

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They could decide to block the ports lol me the Bell does, which my SSL trick I mentioned can easily bypass that due to the that one flaw in firewall appliances

When I ran my VPN service alongside my line radio station I made that a selling point to first SSL intoy network and then connect to the main VPN using that 192.168.0.1 flaw to avoid VPN blocking.

Like I said, 100 percent legal in Australia, Canada, and the USA.

LostInLoDOS (profile) says:

Rather than gather incriminating information

Huh? I watch porn on a rare occasion. So what. I generally find most of the internet porn to be boring. All they do is fuck. No story, no intrigue. Just in out. Boring. 🥱

If that appeals to you. Fine. If not. Fine. Maybe if more people came out and said I watch porn so what (I watch porn so what!) we could kill off this imaginary stigma and move on.
On the internet, on a park bench, on the beach… it’s part of life. Nothing interesting, move on.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

What’s “Incriminating” about using identification?

Sites have to store your information before they let you in. That means your information will be connected to an account on a porn website. That means hackers have every reason to target such storage and leak the information therein⁠—which could include people in positions of power…

And what makes you so worried about anyone knowing you watched people having sex?

…whose watch histories (and any possible information about their specific fetishes) could make them prime targets for blackmail or extortion. Hell, in places where watching even Skinemax-level softcore porn is considered a sin, a politician could be blackmailed in exchange for keeping quiet about the fact that they have an account on a porn site.

Did you seriously not consider any of this before you posted your comment?

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