Kids Don’t Think Congress Has Their Best Interests In Mind With Their Grandstanding ‘Protect The Children’ Hearing

from the the-kids-are-alright dept

We’ve covered a few stories this week related to the Senate hearing on “kids safety” and there’s going to be a lot more in the coming weeks as those same Senators grandstand and yell about “protect the children!” and generally make fools of themselves. I think Casey Newton’s summary of the spectacle is about right:

But while Congress is generally more educated on tech subjects today than it was when the backlash began in 2017, the hearings still play out much as they did at the beginning: with outraged lawmakers scolding, questioning, and interrupting their witnesses for hours on end, while bills that might address their concerns continue to languish without ever being passed. With so little of substance accomplished, the press can only comment on the spectacle: of the loudest protesters, the harshest insults, and the tensest exchanges. 

The whole thing is theater, not legislating (and certainly not for educating our lawmakers).

And while there were some children used as props by the lawmakers, it’s interesting to hear that an awful lot of kids seem dubious that Congress actually has their interests at heart.

There’s a great piece in the Washington Post by Taylor Lorenz, looking at what actual kids have been saying about these bills… and they don’t seem particularly supportive.

“These senators don’t actually care about protecting kids, they just want to control information,” one teenager posted. “If congress wants to protect children, they should pass a … privacy law,” another teenager said. Others in the server accused the lawmakers of “trying to demonize the CEOs to push their … bills,” which were often described with profanity.

[….]

“The internet allows people to see different ideas,” said Nathan, a 15-year old in New York who agreed to speak to The Post on the condition that they be identified only by their first name. “They can hear different ideas. They can learn about LGBT people. They can see so many things. These bills are created to censor and hide children. They are created to cut people off from the outside world.”

Nathan, who is nonbinary, said the internet helped them overcome an eating disorder. They worried the information that helped them would no longer be accessible if social media platforms were required to wall off certain topics such as eating disorders.

The most poignant quote in the article to me was this one:

“Every person who claims to care about kids online is ignoring the fact that the internet is the only space left for kids,” May said. “In real life, you’re dealing with mass shooters, no public spaces that are free and nearby. Nobody has money to go hang out at a mall or anything.”

I keep bringing up the study from last year in the Journal of Pediatrics, mainly because it strongly suggests a leading cause of the mental health crisis we see today is that kids no longer have spaces they can go to hang out with other kids without parents hovering over them at all times. Social media has become that space for many kids… so of course, adults are trying to shut it down.

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ECA (profile) says:

have fun with this

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/child-health.htm

HOW are these folks ascertaining Childhood DAMAGE?
HOW are they measuring and Getting these IDEAS?
Considering that LGBT, tend to be <10% of the population? WHY are these people worried?
Do they think its contagious?
Is it going to COST them money?? Go look at what other nations have DONE(NOT THE MIDDLE EAST)(unless you want to BE like them?)

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John85851 (profile) says:

It's all theater

As has been pointed out on this site, many studies have shown that an overwhelming number of kids actually enjoy social media. Yes, it’s terrible that some kids took their lives after they went on social media, hut that’s a tragic minority.

Why is Congress so set on dragging social media CEO’s into hearings and trying to hold them responsible yet not one gun company CEO has ever been investigated for their participation in school shootings. If a social media site is “responsible” for a death of a child, then gun companies should be responsible for mass shootings.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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Why is Congress so set on dragging social media CEO’s into hearings and trying to hold them responsible yet not one gun company CEO has ever been investigated for their participation in school shootings.

When lawmakers attack the First Amendment, they get yelled at; when lawmakers attack the Second Amendment, they get shot at.

BernardoVerda (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Why is Congress so set on dragging social media CEO’s into hearings and trying to hold them responsible yet not one gun company CEO has ever been investigated for their participation in school shootings.

When lawmakers attack the First Amendment, they get yelled at; when lawmakers attack the Second Amendment, they get shot at.

And they way things have been going, it may not be long till lawmakers who defend the First Amendment get shot at, too.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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As has been pointed out on this site, many studies have shown that an overwhelming number of kids actually enjoy social media.

Any many studies provide direct evidence that social media—particularly Instagram—is a cause, not just a correlate, of bad mental health, especially in teen girls and young women.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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[citation needed]

Here you go, goober:

Haidt, J., Rausch, Z., & Twenge, J. (ongoing). Social media and mental health: A collaborative review. Unpublished manuscript, New York University. Accessed at https://tinyurl.com/SocialMediaMentalHealthReview.

Be sure to actually read the studies and the critiques contained therein.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

An unpublished university report has not been peer reviewed, and if not on a p reprint server, not offered for review. As such it is mere hearsay when using it to support an augment, and citing it suggests you are scraping the bottom of the barrel to find support for your position.

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Toom1275 (profile) says:

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Twenge is is a familoar name.

She’s that fraud who openly boasted to NPR how much she massaged and cherry-picked her data she until she got something ahe could claim fit the predetermined conclusion of her new book she was prompting.

Nice job admitting you don’t actually have any legitimate citations, troll.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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“Any many studies provide direct evidence that social media—particularly Instagram—is a cause, not just a correlate, of bad mental health, especially in teen girls and young women.”

Is social media the cause? If one were to remove social media would the problem go away? Of course not, so it is not the root cause. You are not going legislate society in to the perfect beings you envision.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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That’s like saying “trans people, who would be affected by laws targeting trans people, should have no weight in deciding public policy regarding trans people”. Children absolutely should have a say in public policy if they’re old enough to understand the issues and express an informed opinion about them. I mean, do you think children should only matter to the political process when they’re quiet pawns for “think of the children” lawmaking?

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Anonymous Coward says:

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“trans people, who would be affected by laws targeting trans people, should have no weight in deciding public policy regarding trans people”

Given that by the very nature of their diagnosis “trans people” are seriously mentally ill and disconnected from fundamental aspects of our shared reality, of course they should have no active, direct influence on policy-making.

You don’t let unelected crazy people make laws that effect all of society.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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If you’re gonna protect the kids, it would be wise to ask about how they feel about a proposed law…

I mean, it IS going to affect them and there’s no harm in asking them.

Again, you sure you aren’t going to force them into working in hazardous places?

You sound like you’d make then work in meatpacking plants, coal mines, fight your damn wars and insurrections…

Anonymous Coward says:

I asked this before but having read the WP article as a brit watching this it’s hard for me not to think it will pass particularly when the article said it has support from half the senate (and yes I did read the part about the house), after this has anyone experienced in watching this sort of thing got any predictions of if it will ultimately pass or not?

Tavis says:

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Indeed, now that the Senate realizes even the kids are wising up to them, they’ve seemingly made it a priority to launch culture wars to keep kids as uninformed as possible, to curb their knowledge of how democracy and fundamental human rights work before their perspectives, energy, and influence can sway public opinion and policy away from the politicians currently in power.

Anonymous Coward says:

Since parents, or at least the culture and economy as a whole, have removed or failed to provide the spaces children (not a homogenous group, differs very much by age) need to be kids, then maybe they should go all out on their structured activity shit and be with their kids online. It’s not hard. You don’t even have to drive them anywhere. Online playdates for all. Since you’re so damned concerned.

Of course, not everyone is this concerned, even less if they don’t get infected by the moral panic theatre disinformation. Maybe… it is far, far less than a majority?

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PaulT (profile) says:

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The problem there is that there’s plenty of examples of “adults” falling for the same stuff. Those things are problems, but it’s arguable that kids who grew up online are sometimes better at dealing with such things than people who got to middle age before they got there.

Then, if adult voters are being manipulated by lies and pensioners are being fooled into giving their savings away, maybe there’s a better way to deal with things other than “for the children”.

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glenn says:

As usual, many adults think the safest place for kids is in their prison called “childhood.” And the best thing to be done for them is to sentence them to solitary confinement (so that all the pain from “living” doesn’t get them down). Yep, there’s no safer place than being locked in a room where no one can talk to you, or notice you, or ever really think about you again.

That One Guy (profile) says:

How dare those kids think they know better?!

Politicians: Look at Doing Something For The Children, why we’re going to Protect The Children in so many amazing ways so you should definitely support us!

Actual Kids: Actually what you’re trying to do is very much not what we want and will just make things worse for us so-

Politicians: You shut up when we’re using you as props!

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