Wait, Grimes Also Has An AI Toy Called Grok?

from the do-you-grok-it? dept

Oh boy. We’ve already written a few times about Elon Musk’s “Grok” AI from his company xAI, which may or may not be a part of ExTwitter or possibly Tesla, but no one really knows because all of Elon’s companies blend together in a mishmash of hell for anyone who believes in good, normal corporate governance. Specifically, we’ve covered how he’s facing a kinda serious trademark issue with Groq, a well-established AI chip company that has a trademark on the name Groq for use in artificial intelligence (and, no the different spelling doesn’t matter under trademark law).

And now there’s news that there’s a separate Grok AI situation that he faces… this one coming from his ex (he sure does love his “x’s” huh?) Grimes. Apparently there’s a toy startup, named Curio that has teamed up with Grimes to make an AI-powered toy named Grok (I swear this is a sentence that makes sense).

A glimpse toward this future is beginning to emerge in products like Grok, an AI-powered plush toy in the shape of a rocket that can converse with your child. Grok is the first product from a Silicon Valley start-up called Curio that is leveraging Open AI’s technology on a line of toys Curio’s founders say will be capable of long-running, fully interactive conversation, allowing a child to view it almost as a peer or friend.

Canadian musician Claire Boucher, known as Grimes and the mother of three of Elon Musk’s children, is an investor in and adviser to the company, and she will provide the toy’s voice.

“Every [change] in technology unlocks new forms of entertainment,” said Sam Eaton, president and chief toy maker at Curio, who was previously an engineer at Roblox, the gaming platform. “It’s a different level of immersion for playtime.”

And, yes, Curio apparently filed for a trademark on the word Grok as well in September, but in the category of “electronic learning toys” or “plush toys” so it’s not clear it will conflict. For what it’s worth xAI also filed for trademarks on Grok, one on October 23 and the other on November 7 of this year.

There’s also, um, this:

Sallee said that the toy was designed with Grimes’s children in mind and that they have a friendly relationship with it. “The toy was designed for X and the other kids,” she said, referring to the son of Grimes and Musk, X Æ A-Xii, “but X primarily because he’s of age where he can actually talk to the toy and it can talk back more effectively.”

But the toy has no relationship with Musk’s AI start-up, which also is called Grok. Curio holds the trademark on the name, and the two AI products are totally unaffiliated, Curio says. The name Grok was devised by Grimes and the Curio team, who said the word was a shortening of the word Grocket, which was coined because Grimes’ children are exposed to a lot of rockets through their father’s ownership of SpaceX.

As far as I can tell, it’s false that they “hold the trademark” on it. It’s only an application at this point, which makes it pending. I do not see a fully registered trademark on “Grok” for either company (and it wouldn’t surprise me if Groq opposed one or both trademarks).

Also, it seems… mighty convenient for this claim that “Grok” here is short for “Grocket” (especially since then wouldn’t it be called Grock?) but I guess I’ll let the two exes battle that one out among themselves.

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Somewhat Less Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

And suddenly i feel a bit better about my constant struggle to think up decent names for my gaming characters and empires. Thank you, Grimes and Elon Musk, you’re good for something after all.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

This is trashy gossip

I mean, I know you hate Musk (cuz he took away your state sponsored censorship machine) but come on.

How about we just argue that the term is a generic word now (it is amongst geeks, anyway) and no trademarks on it are enforceable.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

How about we just argue that the term is a generic word now (it is amongst geeks, anyway) and no trademarks on it are enforceable.

Yes, and we’re all sure that you would be making the exact same argument if Idiot Boy had patented “Grok” first.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

Re: Re:

Yes, and we’re all sure that you would be making the exact same argument if Idiot Boy had patented “Grok” first.

Well, you can’t patent a word, so let’s start with that.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

That’s not how trademarks work though.

Apple is a generic word for a fruit grown all over the world, but Apple, Inc. holds a trademark on it for use with computers, computer software, computer peripherals, or anything else related to the electronics and digital services markets in which they operate.

Likewise, grok is a verb with a very specific meaning, mostly among neckbeard software developers, but not in the markets for AI services or plush toys.

Having said that, I think Groq did the right thing in changing a letter; their trade claim is fully defensible. xAI has an issue in that the common-use verb can be used to describe what their service attempts to do, so there may be some confusion between the trade name and the common verb.

Grimes doesn’t have this issue, as there’s no conflict between a marketed object and a common verb.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

I meant to reply to you but accidentally made a new comment a ways down.

I can’t count the number of times where I point out how stupid you are for not seeing the difference between a reply comment and a new comment.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

no it’s not a clear difference when trying to respond to the most recent comment.

There is a very clear difference, for instance, this reply starts with the english words

Reply to Matthew M Bennett

Whereas, when you are creating a new comment, it starts with the english words:

Add Your Comment

That you think there is not a clear difference between the two, just keeps proving my point that you are nothing more than a fucking idiot who doesn’t seem to understand simple english.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

grok is a verb with a very specific meaning, mostly among neckbeard software developers, but not in the markets for AI services or plush toys.

You might wish to rethink that. Besides the slur (neckbeard), probably 99% of all creative minds in the engineering and/or physics fields are science fiction readers, and thus they have read R.A. Heinlein who first coined the word. (Stranger In A Strange Land, 1961)

The likelyhood of even today’s beginning engineers and techs have not read Heinlein is vanishingly small.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

Re: Re: Re:

“Slur” in the sense you are using it is not just any insult.

If you’re crying over someone getting called “neckbeard” you must cry a LOT.

I do agree almost any nerd knows what “grok” means, and where it comes from.

Strawb (profile) says:

Re:

This is trashy gossip

You have the same reaction to almost every article involving Musk TD posts.

Just because Masnick doesn’t drop to his knees for Musk like you do doesn’t mean the articles aren’t related to the stuff that TD always writes about.

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Matthew M Bennett says:

That’s not how trademarks work though.

It is how it works in the way I meant it, which you then built a strawman of. (maybe unintentionally)

Could an AI company trademark “AI” or “Artificial Intelligence”? No, of course not. “Apple” works because it is completely unrelated. You can’t trademark “apple” if you’re a produce company, tho.

Now, for a more direct parallel let’s say an AI company had tried to trademark “Understand” (which is pretty much what “Grok” means). Is that trademarkable? In an industry whose business is to make machines that understand things? Maybe, but probably not, at least if the patent office was doing it’s job (they often don’t).

Now the patent office might let you trademark “understand” (but they’re idiots and it would likely be thrown out if challenged) and “grok” is less generic than that. But I think you could make a case for it being inappropriate to trademark in this market.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: A boy name Sue...

Until they ask a court to change it to, eg Fred Simpson, pretty much yeah. Should get along with Moon Unit Zappa, Dweezle zappa, Jru, Kulture, and many many other “celebrity-named offspring”.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Is it just me who thinks a ChatGPT powered toy for children is an astonishingly bad idea? Day 1, it will be saying naughty things in TikTok videos.

Rocky says:

Re:

Reminds me of Toontown’s speedchat that only had predefined words that you could use and it was supposedly safe for children. They used a 14-yo to test it and within minutes he’d created this sentence:
I want to stick my long-necked Giraffe up your fluffy white bunny.

I expect this time the result will be the same..

I didn’t grok any of this until 14 year old test example.

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